by the way did anyone play the dnf dlc? was it worth getting? The Doctor Who Cloned Me. 

Wow, DNF had DLC? 

It raised the number of max weapons from 2 to 4. 

and it included a 4 hour long single player campaign that is apparently better than the original game. 

Reflex looks good actually. Definitely gonna be an interesting time for arena shooters. 

Exactly. I'd pay $400k to see that banned from ever being made. 

pledging $400,000 just to piss shambler off 

also, it does totally look just like Quake3, but with actual development and new features which are not cockamamie. Sounds a-okay to me.

I was never into UT so Toxikk (awful name) and the new UT don't interest me, but if this came out I'd be tempted to map for it. (or pitch some LD contract work to electro harf harf) 

I guess in video game world $400k isn't much when millions are spent on AAA's.

$400k is the equivalent of 13 years of full time work in a below average job. Plus any profit they might get from sales is all on top.

Actually, looks like there's 3 guys from aussie on the project, and assuming they're not college grads and wouldn't be working at the pizza joint the avg salary over here is about $50k for 20s/30s I guess.

So for 3 guys at $400k spread, that's the equivalent of 2.5-3 years full time employment. Are these guys really going to putting 3 years full time into this???

Not only that, but the core gameplay looks like it's pretty much all done already! The main thing needed now is art and assets.

I guess it's no different to most kickstarters though - I often think kickstarter projects are just being greedy fuckers for something they'd probably be doing as a hobby anyway. 

Oh I was also going to rant on about the speed of the movement, it just feels like a "look how fast we can play because we're elite" kind of bull. I'd get motion sickness after 10 mins of it. Q3 and UT were never that fast were they? 

"The main thing needed now is art and assets"

Yeah, but that's where all the time and money goes on games. :) The code is relatively cheap in comparison. 

kickstarter might fuel capitalist tendencies? No way :) 

yeah who the fuck do these guys think they are it's like they want to make video games for a living or something lol smh 

I thought Destiny had a boring art style but this game really put things in perspective. 

1/1000th of Destiny's cost? 

that look interesting or unique. In fact, indie games usually take more creative risks, because they can afford to, right?

I do understand that this is a hobbyist Quake 3 style shooter though, and should probably learn to manage my expectations better.

I just don't know if I can handle any more robot men with flashy lights and torn capes that flutter in the wind. 

How about robots with flashy capes and torn men that flutter in the light wind? 

jam3 theme right there. 

map jam 3 - mistranslated haiku 

Is fine by me. 

That map editor look's like the dog's bollocks. 

Is fucking great. Get it. 

is it a full game??? I thought it was one of those early access things. 

Looks like Unity Test-Maps in some places, but it's the inner values that count ;) 

Some areas look shit but some others are really well made (Canyon of Titan is awesome for example). It's a very good game, highly recommended. I've been playing for about 33 hours and I'm not even done with what I guess is the first main task.