pic 

http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/screens/cah01.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/screens/cah00.jpg 

nice hat 

nice'n tight looking second shot.. 

is there a way to avoid the ... (dots) so you can copy and paste the link if you cant be arsed to make the link? 

I like the texture set youve gone with is it deathmatch or single player? 

well, in some browsers you can right click a link and "copy shortcut" 

Q1DM screens:

<a http://w1.703.telia.com/~u70315413/index.htm>link</a> 

http://w1.703.telia.com/~u70315413/index.htm 

screenshot 2 and 4 looks nice snaga, lighting looks really washed out in the first shot. 

The washed out look is I guess a combination of my struggle with screen shot making and Q1rad. 

as for the washout, try using a hardware-accelerated quake? 

nice brushwork :) lighting is uniformly pale, though, as others mentioned. try darkening the ambience, and adding more attenuation to the wall lights. 

snaga. i actually play your alpha every now and again. at first i thought it was a bit simple but it's actually ok. keep posting screenies of the wip. put a big post when you finish it. oh, another thing. are you keeping it a closed space or are you adding some outdoors? 

 

it to chris-catto@libero.it

when you finish it! you got exams like me in this period? bloody university... 

mail speeds@bk.ru 

http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/screens/stech2.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/screens/stech5.jpg 

nice, speedy! 

*extremely* impressive, visually anyway.

http://www.quake3world.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/024871.html?

And it plays quite reasonably in FFA too. 

http://www.planetquake.com/cardigan/images/screens/estatica/estaticab2shot4.jpg

that shot was rather nice but otherwise I don't see what's so impressive (from the screens anyway). 

elitist. 

um yeah sorry my fault, I didnt mention that it actually needs to be downloaded rather than just the screenshots. The map features a rather neat but well pulled off idea of being set in frozen time during a rainy night and a lightning strike. So basically its like running around in a freeze frame at the point the lightning hits the top of the light tower. And the shadow work and general lighting is impressively done. 

I was going to do the same thing in a Q3 map, except I was considering making a city where everything was stopped, with random bits of paper flying through the air, a gas explosion destroying a building, etc etc.

HAHA I AM TEH TOO SLOOOWW!!!!11

0wned. 

if you work on it 2nite for 12 hours you'd do quite fine. i think you should work on it mate 

since you can make a great map in a single weekend. 

and my opinion is unchanged, no spectacular mappage.... move along

wrath: true 

I thought it was quite original and well implemented though, each to his own I guess. 

It is indeed original and looks pretty imo 

The lighting is well done. Beyond that, no. 

thumbnail 

Iv made a picture of many cool loking map screenshots tiled together. Custom maps from different fps (quake, q3 and ut mostly)
It looks nice, can be your backdrop, give some inspiration or just make you wonder what maps are those.

smallish preview
http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/screens/shotiles_thumb.jpg

800x600
http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/screens/shotiles_800.jpg

1280x960 (get this)
http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/screens/shotiles_1280.jpg 

speedy, any chance you could make a list of the maps invovled, I believe there's a few ther that I havent come across before. 

Those look great, but man do you have to much free time or what? 

yes, and I love to play with photoshop

Since it was requested by several people, I might make the list of maps I know. There are many betas/unreleased works. 

Love the 3rd and 5th pix in the first row (in 800x600)! Is it Quake 3? Reminds me of the drawings I used to do when I got bored at school twenty-five years ago! 

Those pics make me wish I'd followed Q3 when it came out. Some really beautiful stuff in there. 

We need a list of what those maps are...I'm going nuts trying to put (file)names to (brush)faces.

And WTF is that mecha looking thing with the spines, 6 across 3 down, it looks farking amazing? 

Impressive! 

I'd love a 1600x1200, or larger. :) 

dilvish,

the first map your refer to is nunuk's sparth and i thought I knew the second one, but upon checking it's not what I thought it was. 

Ah, thanx. And it's Q3? Didn't remember (or even know) you could do such cute things with it. Wish I had time to get back to it!
And I also wish someone did a Q3 single player mod! Will that ever happen? 

There is plenty of will, but not enough coders. Just ask Lun about it.

Vile coder scum! 

http://pherrous.phaitaccompli.com/s/

yarrr 

http://pherrous.phaitaccompli.com/s/

whatever 

That's looking very cool. Nice old skool stuff. 

clean, open and nice. 

row 1 (right to left) -

unknown, dubneoc (q3), sparth (q3), endogenous depression (q3 beta), unknown, gmsp1 (q1), unknwon, dm-spiridian (UT)

row 2 -

unknown, unknown, dm-jadedbeauty (ut), ne_sp06 (q1), unknwon, yog3dm4 (q3), unknown, lae3dm1 (q3)

row 3 -

unknown, stolatene mine (q3), unknwon, unknown, unknown, unknown, jaj3dm1 (geocomp entry for q3), unknown

row 4 - ek3dm1 (q3), unknown, dom-amazon (UT), unknown, wvwq3dm2 (q3), unknown, rjldm3 (q3), lae3dm2 (q3)

row 5 - unknown, unknown, unknown, unknwon, unknown, trajectory (q3), unknwon, neh1m9 (q1)

row 6 - charon's q3 geocomp entry, unknwon, unknwon, unknown, unknown, lloyd3dm1 (q3), unknown, SAFE (q3)

row 7 - chartres (q3), unknown, q3wcp21 (q3), unknown, neh3m2 (q1), unknwon, unknown, estatica (q3 beta)

row 8 - unknown, q-fraggel3 (q3), unknown, charon3dm12 (q3), unknwon, dm-modernhistory (ut2003), unknown, unknown 

so much for pushplay saying speed's got spare time!!

you da man nitin! now for confirmation from s. then we can all launch our downloads and fetch what we've drooled over.

:-) 

I said no such thing. 

 

http://www.planetquake.com/nunuk/

Geocompo1 and 2 maps and all the Nunks maps 

Speedy listed row 4, column 3 as "just a hand (q2)." I wanted to add that it was a screenshot from Gunman TC, from when the TC was still being developed in Q2. 

You can see the "hand" picture plus some other cool brush models in this article, which was written by one of the Gunman guys:

http://www.gamedesign.net/?file=rust/content/quake2/tutorials/abrush 

right rpg, I got it at that site, just forgot 

how are these? all by hand, i have PS trial so i can't use those lame ass eye candy effects anyway.. i prefer the skillful manual method

http://pherrous.phaitaccompli.com/tex/ 

I like the top part of tex1a - nice and gritty - but the bottom doesn't seem to fit. It seems sort of... vinyl?? no... some other word... velo? Is that what I'm thinking of... Anyway, it looks more plastic then gritty. But still a nice texture. 

I like the picture of the girl with the black bar over the eyes, interesting idea. 

tex 3... i got a bunch more to do before i use em in a map.. the girl is my friend leah 

tex 1 has whacked lighting. highlights like that just look silly when tiled. try for less contrast, like tex 2 (which is quite nice). light texture is way too bland for its size, unless you're going for a decidedly minimalist look. 

tex1a.jpg really needs a high pass filter. I don't know what the big dark and light areas are supposed to be, but they don't look like lighting (you shouldn't put that kind of lighting on textures anyway -- that's the lightmap's job) and they don't look like stains either. 

I think some textures like the bricks would look better if you used less black in them. 

yes i agree with metlslime, tex1a.jpg does need a high pass filter, although a better idea would be not to make those shadows in the first place.

It's clear you've got plenty of Photoshop skills though, just needs tweaking in order to channel it into textures :)

in my opinion (i.e. not worth a lot) i would say that highlighting is a little overdone, and theres a bit too much contrast, but the "diffuse" ;) part of each texture is very nice. 

i love the honesty here ;) we'll see how much better i do on my asylum textures. i wasn't planning on using the first textures anyway, i wasn't happy with them. 

It's easy to say that you don't like a texture but hard to say exactly why like theee people have. 

I havent got even a tenth of comments phait get on the textures ;/
(gonna release a set soon btw /pimp) 

http://pherrous.phaitaccompli.com/tex/a/

got floor, ceiling, padded room *grin* doors etc to do..

these aren't made seamless yet but will be, thought i'd give you all a glimpse so far

the high pass filter.. how exactly should i use this (i know where it is/what to do, but *how*..)? can anyone elaborate on why i should use it? thanks 

theres a .zip of the wad here http://pherrous.phaitaccompli.com/tex/a/

problem is - theres some fullbright pixels showing. now, i know how to remedy this, and i did before hand via photosho's index color conversion to quake's no fullbright palette...

problem here is, i don't yet have the full version of PS - i have trial. thus i cant directly save the texture and have to print screen. from there i paste into ms paint and save. seeing how paint's default is 24bit BMP, i can see how this can mess w/ the original colors. i *could* choose 256 colors when i save, but that fucks it way up when loaded into the texture editor within quake 1's palette :| 

ok i got the fullbrights gone mostly but in the blood spatter theres some red pixels that are brighter than what they should be.. i'm using wally btw and fixed the yellow random fullbright pixels by darkening the image.. what should i do about the too-bright reds? 

THANK GOD FOR TEX MEX! *SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCH* 

thats a place to go when you want to chat Phait 

http://www.celephais.net/shite/perfection.gif 

sheer excellence 

Your words have much meaning 

interesting... um... concept. ;) 

this rivals Malevich` "black square" 

I'd hoped the quotation marks would be enough, but i guess i should have provided a source. 

George W. Bush? 

photoshop elements. i HOPE it has all you want but i cant be sure . check the spec.

about 90 quid. maybe less in dollars 

You could have taken away the viewmodel, the inventory bar and the status bar :/ 

lol. 

yes, but those have nothing to do with level design. 

but they are things to be taken away 

Apart from encountering the "Gremlin" I'm not sure that I've ever had anything taken away whilst playing an FPS.

Surely this idea must've been used more than once. 

www.planetquake.com/speedy/ 

here's some screens of my map..

http://pherrous.phaitaccompli.com/s/

I'm happy for the most part with it but in terms of what the hell I'm trying to accomplish, I have no idea.. there are ramps on the outside that lead to the other 'rooms' on the 2nd level.. 

i know the spotlights look shitty in a few screens but i didnt extra light the map cause i wanted to get a few of these screens up quick.. so dont worry ;) 

keep up the good work! :) 

Speedy: Very nice. Q3 only? :(

Phait: pretty good looking. Maybe light it better and change those purple things to perhaps something more fitting, but it's overall quite good. 

"light it better"

That's some constructive and informative piece of critisism you've got there. 

 

"and change those purple things to perhaps something more fitting"

Please tell me that was sarcasm.

Please?

Oh dear god. 

Thanks. :)

nonentity: Actually, what I was pointing out is, the "purple things" stand out so much they detract from what otherwise would have impressed me as a much more real looking base.

And besides, since when did everyone start listening to *my* opinions? 

well I didn't even intend to start a coagula map at first, it was going to be DM - at that point it had blue sky, then purple.. then I got the inner area done and chopped the floor and thought eh it'll be for the Coagula contest..

BUT NOPE ITS DEATHMATCH im schizo 

Some in progress shots:

http://pherrous.phaitaccompli.com/s/ 

Are always in style. 

But not as stylin' as my curvy man-pipe! 

Curvy Stairs 

One day you'll learn that your man-pipe is much more stylin' when its straight rather than curvy 

nt 

keep those thoughts in yer mind or chat wit your girl about it. not here! lol! 

Here's something I was shown by a group of Lego designers:

http://www.fbtb.net/jon/qwing1.html

Their planning on building a Lego model of the Shirow spaceship I designed for my Aliens site - hooyah! 

wish I still had em 

very cool, kell. :)

/me misses legos too... 

to legos. I still have them. Just took down my latest castle a few days ago actually. Need to get a few more pieces and start again soon. :) 

 

...could be the answer:

http://wouter.fov120.com/gfxengine/panquake/shots.html 

Can't you do that, or close enough, with changing the FOV? 

... if you look at the other mod, Fisheye Quake, on the same site, you'll see that increased FOVs in Quake become unviewable very quickly. The Fisheye mod improves that aspect, but does not provide the same view as PanQuake. 

http://wouter.fov120.com/gfxengine/fisheyequake/compare.html 

I meant more perfect panoramic shots though, not so ... odd. It'd just be a manual shot editing thing 

Go spoil yourselves:
http://pherrous.phaitaccompli.com 

and fullbright. That design looks more suited to sp rather tham DM, there hardly appears to be any vertical element at all. Texturing looks good though, maybe spruce up the rockwork at the back as well. 

I don't like the grill in the middle, pick a more interesting pattern. I love how the arch tex intersects the upper trim in the top left shot. 

going to be single player now. I've gotten one room done, it's coming along alright. Taking to mind your suggestions, thanks! :) 

dont listen to pushy and check out tyrlite features for more interesting lighting
http://www.planetquake.com/tyrann/utils.html 

http://www.planetquake.com/dazdranz/

DaZ goes "old skool" :) 

Knave r00lz my world at the moment too. Looking forward to it DaZ. 

http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/ruzty_pv.jpg 

looks good but they dont look too sharp, somehwat blurry. 

photosource nitin 

Filter / Sharpen *droool* 

Holy techorama, Batman. You're really going into the grungy industrial stuff these days. Me like A LOT. 

"in rust we trust"

Now that's a motto I live by... 

that DM map looks good daz...
and i like the new Dazsp4 screenshot :) 

(photoshop) is more usefull than sharpen if you want to sharpen up your textures.

Speedy: they look better than the ones you released but you need to work more on the forms (specially the round pipes or whatever they are) and use less black. 

why less black 

. 

rather opposite
painted shadows should be black to remain black regardless of the lightmaps, or you get washed dull look of HL 

Well, I understand the comment. Using black for all shadows and recesses darkens the underlying material irrespective of its qualities or the light that would actually be falling on it. This is really more an issue of realism textures, like with the ( stalled ) med texture challenge on Map-Center. Pale colored stucco and brickwork recieving large amounts of sunlight would not have black/dark gray shadows; more likely bluish gray or brown. Using black produces a stronger, comic book feel in a texture, especially if the materials being represented are incredibly corroded metal or heavily grunged up brickwork.
Personally, I've used black shading ( or, as I refer to the omni-directional shading between texture components, inking ) on almost all of my textures. Which are, patently, comic book style and not highly realistic.

For Speed's textures, I think black is perfectly acceptable. 

It required tonn of voodoo tricks and text editing of the .map to do it, but here it is ...

http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/screens/leaks2_00.jpg

Now need to apply snazzy shaders and shange items 

have you modified the textures too or are they going to be blurryish like von's converted map? 

I`ll do something to the texes 

cool, that was the only thing I disliked about von's map. I've played the qw version of leaks and if it's the same (added detail?) then it can only be good. 

For anyone who hasn't seen this one yet:
http://www.gomjabbar.de/screenshots/shot01.jpg

This one is an unlit screenie of the Q1 DM map I'm currently working on, dressed in texes from the good old quake.wad. The architecture is nearly done and I hope to have a lit version ready by the weekend.

Comments are welcome as always... 

Particularly interesting is the way the lava is shaped. 

I mentioned this one last eve. and posted an early rough pic...
http://www.backshooters.com/maric/cave.gif

I wanted to do a bit more with it than what is pictured here but have run up against the max_patches limit. This is pretty much what the final will look like.
http://www.backshooters.com/maric/78a.gif
http://www.backshooters.com/maric/78b.gif
http://www.backshooters.com/maric/78c.gif

It is a tad bland but I was going for a minmalistic, all terrain map which it made coming up with decent lighting a bugger. 

That is very nice looking. 

Hmm, very nice looking Maric. Looking forward to see the finished product... 

the lava looks a bit too straight to me, but everything else looks great! 

Nice. I like the canyon, and the way heat glows from the cracks. 

maric, let me tell you this. you are my hero.

not only because you map for q2, but also because you kick ass and your maps put any q2 maps to shame, you just keep on inproving.

keep it up. 

Thanks guys, thank you daftpunk. I keep trying to come up with interesting stuff. Just in case it was missed, here is the link to the finished map. It was not a news item and it is off the main page now so...

http://quake2.abs.net/pub/maps/q2/marics78.zip 

u HAVE TO make page with all your latest maps listed (with link and screenie) 

I plan to do just that once I take the time to learn how to do just that.

HTML and I are square pegs and round holes. The very fact that I am actaully able to sometimes type intelligibly in my native language still amazes me. Now doing even basic code... YOIKS! 

takeyourtime,hurryup,choiceisyours,dontbelate 

http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/screens/cell02.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/screens/cell01.png 

Ooo, that's nice. How are the red monitor textures done btw? 

nice stuff, speedy.

someone should make a cel-shaded Q1SP level... 

red monitor textures..
are stolen from SysShock2 ;)
But it shouldnt be hard to create similar images.
Actually why u asked, I`m sure u know how to make red monitor textures 

that you also make cel-shaded versions of the models, too.

Well, that might not be possible, but you could at least make FLAT-shaded models with black outlines using the inverted mesh trick. 

yeah, could do the skins it cellshaded style, but dont plan to really 

photoshop just opened up for the png. fuck it takes ages.

anyway, nice polished feel. what is the technique behind it (what kinda process)? 

Very nice. Especially the first screenshot.

I`ve been wondering when I`d see a cell-shaded engine. Are you just doing the bsp, or will we get to see cell-shaded QuakeGuy anytime soon? 

it`s almost finished, but here are some screens:

http://www.planetquake.com/dazdranz/images/dranzdm8a.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/dazdranz/images/dranzdm8b.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/dazdranz/images/dranzdm8c.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/dazdranz/images/dranzdm8d.jpg

Feedback welcome, as always, but it`s pretty much finished so it won`t change much. 

i really like the melding of q1met and tech lights. it's a very interesting style. plus, sandwiched between the rock looks really nice. 

...trimptastic!

very unique , go release dat already! 

I would comment, but since u wont change it, its not worth commenting



just kidding, it looks interesting and imaginative. The lines of lights might be too much tho 

Get it done 

so you commented! 

i definitely like the openness of it (lovely with the GL)

DONT make it with ledges into the void. i`m shit at those kind of maps (i suck bad at spaceDM too)

nice work there 

i seem to be misreading posts today. sorry speedy... 

I love the color scheme and openness, it pulls away from the usual dark and dingy and cramped feeling that gets old after a while. The grass is nice too.

It`s got a real nice look to it. The GL is great. Looking forward to download! 

Some downloads on your site aren`t working:

CRDM1
CRDM2
Dranzdm6

PQ says dl.asp not found:

Page not found!
You entered: http://www.planetquake.com/dl/dl.asp

Why not give http://www.planetquake.com/dl/ a try?

This is an invalid URL! Either you`re a bad typist, really lost, or we goofed up. There`s nothing we can do about your typing ability (sorry), but we can do something about the other two:


I think I have these already, was downloading just in case, so no worries. 

bwdm1: reincarnation of desire
http://groove.ath.cx/~inertia/pub/bwdm1_1.jpg
http://groove.ath.cx/~inertia/pub/bwdm1_2.jpg
http://groove.ath.cx/~inertia/pub/bwdm1_2.jpg

a curvy map im experimenting with (those are alice textures)
http://groove.ath.cx/~inertia/pub/curvy1.jpg
http://groove.ath.cx/~inertia/pub/curvy2.jpg
http://groove.ath.cx/~inertia/pub/curvy3.jpg 

http://groove.ath.cx/~inertia/pub/bwdm1_3.jpg 

looks very good, so does the other one but I take it they`re both fullbright ATM? 

they are not fullbright... they`re not properly lit by any means but i believe in some of the pics shadows are visible... I have used just a couple point sources of light scattered about to light using q1rad so that it doesn`t look like shite (also, to my understanding, q1rad does not become a sweet lighting program until the map is vis-ed, is this true?) 

the shots of bwdm1v2 DO look like shite, thats because the light entities have their brightness turned up way too high 

bwdm1: Floor texture on the ceiling? You fucking maniac!

Looks nice tho. Finish it! 

floor or ceiling, same thing :-)

both look cool. the curvy one, provided not too intense on processor is nice indeed. see if you can add a little texture variety. no need for lots of textures (else it ruins the flow of curves which gives a kinda organic feel) but maybe just a little extra.

just IMO. 

the architecture alone on the curvy map looks awesome. unique and cool!

the bw_dmX shots are all right, but have much simpler brushwork, it looks like... plus that lighting is pretty bad... 

thanks for the feedback guys... im trying to currently get a coherent style together for the curvy map and possibly something will come of it =] 

thanks for the feedback guys... im trying to currently get a coherent style together for the curvy map and possibly something will come of it =] 

Those links aren`t working, inertia. :( 

sorry, my server is down -- im waiting for that killer dude to approve my pipeline entry so i dont have to good around with my server anymores 

i know this is the 02349238442th post about my stupid curvy map but check pipeline.fov120.com for the shots of it that will reliably stay online 

http://www.cursesandepithets.com/cube/maps/fully_clothed.jpg 

Kandinski was the first level designer! Here\'s a rough sketch of the layout...

http://www.afh.com/co220/afhalex/kandi8.jpg

...and here\'s the level in editor...

http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~kurmann/sculptor/presentations/dream_extend/img/samples/terr_kandinski1.jpg 

hehe, that "in-editor" shot looks like that unreleased q1dm that vondur posted screens of somewhere (might have been on the old qboard, in which case, they be gone fer good). 

http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/textures/cr8_sheet.jpg 

you're getting pretty good. 

excellent stuff.

someone use them in a map, they look great. 

But they're too brown for my taste. I like happy maps now. 

yeah baby...

now for some triangles


werd 

Now these, I like. Any idea when the full set will be ready Speedy? 

Triangular lights are a must :> 

MROE POLYGONZ PLZ

TANK U 

soon.
maybe.
no. 

Thank the good folks from Quake1 for placing these screenshots...

http://www.planetquake.com/images/photo/index.asp?id=422729
http://www.planetquake.com/images/photo/index.asp?id=420647
http://www.planetquake.com/images/photo/index.asp?id=412350

Screenshots from converion "The Abandonned"
Greetz 

I have to say that ship map looks pretty interesting. Maybe not 100% in execution, but it's neat idea. 

Ever waited 24houres on a vising theme,
and stopped, to reconcile it was 24h30min vising? 

 

Ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight? 

and the lihgting in those shots looks way too bright. 

http://www.planetquake.com/necros/levels/nesp13/nesp13_1.jpg

http://www.planetquake.com/necros/levels/nesp13/nesp13_2.jpg

it might look too dark for some of ya... i'm using aguire's q1rad this time, and although it's a great looking light program, it meant i had to put in a lot less lights. i find it makes it much more atmospheric though. ;) woohoo surface lights! :)

also, anyone know why switching and flickering lights don't get lit the same way, instead, they are just 100% light all the way to their perimeter? 

I didn't do that ... 

anyone know why switching and flickering lights don't get lit the same way, instead, they are just 100% light all the way to their perimeter?

I'm no l33t person with l33tage knowladge and stuff, but maybe because calculating the bounce for a dynamic light would just cost way too much CPU time. 

aguire: are you not Bengt Jardrup?
could have swore you modified riot's util...

---------

rpg: yes, but what i meant is that there is no falloff at all. it just goes 100% intensity all the way to the light's perimeter, than zero... 

sorry. i looked at the vis output, which is yours, and got it mixed up with the light output. sorry Riot! :) 

i think it could be done. It wouldn't take THAT much longer. And no, i'm not volunteering to code it. 

nesp13 is looking like a very unique quake 1 map.

Good stuff, necros. :) Dont forget the gameplay! [ if the gameplay is as good as the emptiness without, i will be happy ;) ] 

necros, that map looks pretty nice... a modded engine i assume? or no? Whatever, it don't matter. spaceships are fun, finish the map. :P 

You can use dulight (= q1rad+tyrlite), and utlize normal point lights to satisfy your flickering fetish. Placing small contrast pointlights at those lamps would make them look more like real light sourses too. 

erm... right. anyway, since both do the same amount of damage, performance wise, i'll be using dynamic light. 

I uploaded some screenies of my latest q1 dm map in progress. So, if you're interested check them on http://www.gomjabbar.de
Feedback is, as always, very welcome. 

Here's my feedback:

Release it! 

Runic. Metal. Ownz. Joo.

Gimme! 

Good lighting, and nice architecture! release it, dude! 

Or at least lemme test it some more =) 

Join #tf and get it Baff... 

Join #tf and get it Baff... 

Why don't you mail it to me instead? ;) 

http://izmweb.sytes.net/blackpope/beenawhile.jpg

worst screenshot ...ever 

neato burrito. 

http://membres.lycos.fr/here/eglise1.jpg
http://membres.lycos.fr/here/eglise2.jpg
http://membres.lycos.fr/here/eglise3.jpg
http://membres.lycos.fr/here/eglise4.jpg
http://membres.lycos.fr/here/eglise5.jpg
http://membres.lycos.fr/here/eglise6.jpg 

That's kind of cool and interesting.

The map looks like it has potential, too. 

looks like a good start Here, keep at it, can't wait to see a nice big catherdral map from you. :D 

You can see the project file on http://cts.quakexpert.com
But it is in built 

You know, a cathedral built next to a cliff for some reason, and part of the cliff fell and took half the cathedral with it. So you have a ruined cathedral looking out onto a cliff.

this random i-need-more-sleep idea brought to you (c) 2003 Grahf 

It is a start you know ? And why next a cliff ? Explain to me i don't know ... 

a little suggestion.

if you guys use photoshop or psp, it's nice to make tiles (have i got the word right? one pic containing more pics?) of screenies so that they dont' need lots of links. ok, you can put more screenies in each page but thats definitely less professional

this idea was rigurgitated by DP (TM) 

http://www.phaitaccompli.com/crap/maps/

The first one sucked.. it was not my first map (I've done maps since about.. 1995, 1996) but that was from an idea on paper that didnt turn out well, I was rusty.. there are some memorable ones I was happy with tho, I just don't have them anymore :\ 

dm8a and dm8b look pretty interesting. Some of the other stuff is kinda cool, if a bit old school. 

http://members.home.nl/gimli/gimli19.htm 

 

http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/screens/speedsp001.jpg 

ride 'em cowboy! .. er... yeah, well, that looks sweet, speedy. :) 

I want it now! :)

What textures are those? Your own? 

It looks like a cross between speedbz and Tiddles' unique comilation of base textures. 

(can get speedbz from my site btw www.cr8.da.ru/textures.htm) 

I've updated my QExpo booth with details on some of my upcoming maps, and also with some map screenies:
http://www.qexpo.com/booths.php?id=26&si=27&sk=iUywHexx

But if you're too lazy to go to the booth and find the links, here they are:

I've got you right where I want you...
http://www.qexpo.com/uploaded/26/unferstart.jpg

Part of metlslime's section from SM69:
http://www.qexpo.com/uploaded/26/sm69.jpg 

that hand sort of reminds me of the one that brushboy did for Gunman TC, that he showed a shot of in one of his tutorials. 

They are in similar poses, aren't they? I didn't even realize that.

And thanks for the compliment. 

My brother, Ben (who is called Makkon), created a map that I took some screenshots of.

It's so detailed that it just goes too slow to be playable, but it shows some pretty decent skill. I just thought you all could give him some useful feedback.

http://static.condemned.com/makkon/cast2/

The download doesn't work right now, forgot to put it on the zip disk. ;)

I'm wondering if he could make use of the eye candy entities to replace some of the repeated architecture with some models or bspmodels, or if that would just slow it down even more...

Anyway, he's got a bunch more maps that I intend to screenshot and put up there. Most are very detailed (he'd be great for Q3 or UT2003, or even doom3 when it's out; but quake runs too slow). Hopefully he can get some real good advice from y'all. 

That does look pretty cool; although, some of the walls look flat and uninteresting. He could probably put some trim around the windows and on top of the walls to help make that better. However, then we get back to r_speeds.

He may want to consider using a lower-res mesh for the rocks to lower the r_speeds. If it was for Q2, he could try making a bunch of the brushes used for detailing into detail brushes. But since it's for Q1, he could make those detailing brushes into func_walls. There's a great article over on Rust that offers many tips for reducing r_speeds in Q2, so maybe he should check that out; there might be some relevant stuff. http://www.gamedesign.net/?file=rust/content/quake2/tutorials/poly_count

But then again, your brother may already know all this stuff. 

My bro is kind of like me. He knows a lot, but it's scattered all over the place, so just when you think he's either an idiot or genious, he goes and surprises you. I'm exactly the same. :)

I'll definately send him this info. In fact, I'll try to get him to register and start posting. He could learn a lot here. 

should learn to block the vis 

He's been learning that recently. 

http://scampie.spawnpoint.org/screens/metal.jpg 

Yay for Scampie who made a single hall and placed a scrag therein!

I'll be impressed when you finish it. 

i was impressed at how accurate that was rpg.

looks good scampie. nice lighting :) 

there are 2 scrags (the other is above the player)! and there's also another hallway you can't see! 

you may consider putting something on the walls between each arch... it seems just a bit bare at the moment. maybe sometype of alcove? 

Great light effect i like it ...
When can i kill the scrag ??? 

i like it, looming, ... more scrags... higher up... LOOMING 

http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/screens/blahblah14j.jpg 

looks very good 

Looks real nice, my one crit would be ditch the rock texture, it sucks :/ Apart from that it looks real nice, vertical too! :) 

What quake it is ? 

i kinda like the rock texture, daz. dont ditch it speedy! 

some cool stuff here:

http://bgmp.burial-grounds.com/viralis.html 

the wood/metal one, the qfraggel3a themed one and the indoor/outdoor one look pretty cool. 

A few shots of a dark xl1dm7.

http://www.planetquake.com/xl/xl1dm7a.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/xl/xl1dm7b.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/xl/xl1dm7c.jpg 

You've revived it! I like the combination of textures, although that decon texture looks out of place. Some of the lighting looks a bit too bright, IMO, and could use a bit more contrast in a few spots (such as in the RA nook and the hallway in shot 1).

Just make sure to finish it! 

The decon looks uber nice :) 

I find the texture theme too oppressive. But that's just a personal view, I can see how it works. 

too scary for teh shambler. go play some giants ya wee fairy :-P 

...like Kjsp1 for example :P. 

saw the alhambra in granada recently and was very distracted by how much it was like that damn map :) 

Right down to the Ogres and Vores, even?? 

although they might have been american tourists 

Those shots of XL1DM7 man! OMG! They're, like, so...

The shots you posted nearly a year ago. 

No they aren't. I rebuilt the map from scratch, if you goto Pipeline, you will see this is indeed a different map. And sham, that is exactly the look I'm going for. I want players to feel like they are the last people on earth. Hence, Sole Surviour. The feeling of oppresion coming down on you makes me think I'm starting to get there. 

...that you'll get one less download?? 

You made it exactly the same from scratch? Cos you sent me a .bsp of it ages ago to look at. And it was that that room (albeit with slightly darker lighting) 

...prod, just finish it already! 

I've started to move industri over to the Tenebrae2 engine, these are the first two screenshots:
http://industri.sourceforge.net/shotlg.php?img=ind030820a
http://industri.sourceforge.net/shotlg.php?img=ind030820b 

...drool 

Doom 3 doesn't quite as attractive any more. 

I spent 3 days without the internet due to a broken power supply to the cable modem. I started messing around for something to do and ended up with this room. I'll probably make it into a map.

http://www.cursesandepithets.com/?image=quake1/pushsc/pushsc_alpha1.jpg
http://www.cursesandepithets.com/?image=quake1/pushsc/pushsc_alpha2.jpg
http://www.cursesandepithets.com/?image=quake1/pushsc/pushsc_alpha3.jpg

The square blocks of wood against the walls represent future doorways. I'm actually trying to block this one out. 

Surrealism/fantasy is good, but a few bits look amateurish, such as the strangely aligned trim texture at the top in screen 1. And maybe if you use a patch for the curved wood (also in screen 1, lower right) so it lines up better. After that you'll be golden. 

Until/unless I get a job as a mapper all my work will be by definition amaturish. I should drop compsci and become a linguist, I seem to have a hardon for semantics. Anyways, I'm trying to get a bit away from some of the surrealism in maps like ChiopteraDM (one of my all time faves). I'm even going to far as to use a shader-free jump pad.

Any judgement of the top trim in shot one probably isn't fair since I'm standing on a playerclip. It may be a bad texture choice anyways though. Now about the curve: I'd be happy if I could get that looking sharper, but I thought it wasn't possible to use a patch to create a bow shape like that? 

Just manipulate the control points, and line up the adjoining control points of adjacent patches. In this instance it looks like you'd want a 2:1 slope (or 1:2 depending on orientation) for the outer control points. 

Not all amateur work is amateurish.

Stick to compsci :) 

Clearly I'm going to need to learn more on how to use patches. 

Just create a few patches of varying densities (although the smallest is the most commonly used) and then fiddle around with them. Pulling, pushing, etc, until you get something nice. If it's not nice, just delete it. Start off with basic arches, and then work your way up to semi-complex map objects (such as a tongue). That's how I learned.

Also, you can always check out the Q3DM .map files for reference if you feel the need. 

Doh, completely forgot about this page, and have been packing all kinds of screenies of my latest project (IMP1SP3: Myrmidon) at my PQ page: http://www.planetquake.com/biff 

Doh, completely forgot about this page, and have been packing all kinds of screenies of my latest project (IMP1SP3: Myrmidon) at my PQ page: http://www.planetquake.com/biff 

all six shots looks really really good!

you're becoming quite adept at eh idbase theme! suggestion: on the bottom-right screenshot, push the grid textured brush on the curved corner inwards to match the inset of the straight brushes of the same texture. it'll flow more...
and maybe cut the grate part of the texture on the top two screens inwards as well? it'll push up r_speeds, but both suggestions would look nice... 

http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/textures/evilcarpetmuncher.jpg 

i thought it actually was textures. :) 

http://planetquake.com/speedy/textures/mc_speed_tiled2.jpg 

now someone make a Q1SP map using them, even if its just a speedmap :P 

looking nice there, they for q1 or q3? Q3 by the looks of things 

q3 ofcourse 

i think i am disappointed. :/ 

. 

 

ya gotta do is import the textures into a q1 .wad... 

resize them 

they will look absolute poo

and

gingerbread mapping !
http://home.online.no/~ma-roeed/bilder/jul_i_quakerland/day2_-_teh_assembly/ 

lol, so funny. 

One of the 0ld 0ld Duke3D maps I released in 1997 or something! http://rpg.spawnpoint.org/images/maps/csurpris_1big.jpg 

A gingerbread house you can camp. 

Quake mapping looks less messy. But you can't eat that. :) 

they will look absolute poo

that's true, but seeing as i don't posses l33t photoshop skills, that's really the only way for me to do it. and the results aren't always awful. obviously, bright stuff and greys don't look very nice, but for the most part, it turn out pretty decent and sometimes pretty good.
(obviously, i'm not talking about your [speedy] textures specifically, but in a general sense) 

http://www.alienculture.net/team/megaman/myshit/megadm7/megadm703.jpg
http://www.alienculture.net/team/megaman/myshit/megadm7/megadm700.jpg
http://www.alienculture.net/team/megaman/myshit/megadm7/megadm701.jpg
http://www.alienculture.net/team/megaman/myshit/megadm7/megadm702.jpg 

...I bloody well can't though. 

looks perdy 

The snow seems a bit out of place, imo.
rest looks good if it is intended as a dark place =) 

DR. WILLYY!!!!

i know its stupid, but i couldnt resist. 

http://quantumtreefrog.tripod.com/cgi-bin/img.pl?img/hothouse01.jpg
http://quantumtreefrog.tripod.com/cgi-bin/img.pl?img/hothouse02.jpg
http://quantumtreefrog.tripod.com/cgi-bin/img.pl?img/hothouse03.jpg

Gameplay is going to be somewhat dubious, since I suck at item placement, but at least the bots don't mind. And it looks okay. Um, if you like orange.

(Textures are from the Aesir Building set, from Max Payne. Except the ferns, which are used under license from Nature.) 

very nice nb 

It looks like an art gallery. Not a criticism, just an odd vibe for Q3DM. 

Good - I was going for the 'soulless corporate headquarters' kind of look, so anything modern and clean isn't too far off. 

it doesn't look soulless enough; it looks like a nice place to live :P

The visuals are lovely though, apart from shot 3 has too many lights on the underside of the overhanging bit 

Those are some very nice shots. I agree w. Starbuck re: cluster of lights in shot 3.

A very different look, which is always nice for Q3.

Beta? 

it's very appealing, but not soulless at all. cozy is more like it. ;) 

http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/lg_view.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/lg_inq3.jpg

paked for use:
(click the link 1st, dont copy it into d/l manager)
http://xferoc5a.fileplanet.com/planetquake/speedy/lg_skin13.zip 

oooh, I'll buy that for a $ ! 

that fucking rocks, LG was by far the worst skinned weapon IMHO. As much as I liked Harlequin's replacement for it, it altered too much to look like LG anymore but this is perfect.

I couldnt talk you into reksinning the YA and RG (the q3 version was perfect) could I? 

kell: sure. All my talents are for sale

nitin: I`m affraid no, atleast not any soon. Its really hard and timeconsuming. 

that's cool, I can always hope though I guess. I have a temp replacment for the YA anyway 

you should pimp it on the polycount boards. 

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~polycount/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Pimping+and+Previews&number=2&DaysPrune=5&LastLogin= 

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/reviews/quake3/dragon/dragon.shtml

the Dragon Knight model for Q3....i hadnt seen it before, but its some seriously impressive modelling 

check out q4gladiator, q4hybrid and magdalena if you want some more impressive stuff. 

the Q4Gladiator looks particularly nicely formed... these skinners/modellers/animators/etc really must go through hell concentrating on one thing for so long! 

Magdalena is the best, because - apart from the success of all the design elements within it - it's the only one that can be run on any machine for which Q3A was actually geared. I've seen dozens of images of the Dragonrider, but so far I can't offer an insightful opinion on the actual model because I have yet to find a machine that will load it in Q3 :P Same goes for the Gladiator.
Crusader ( with skinning by Rhorsach ) and Binky are also excellent for the more standard humanoid characters. And Lobo is the truest to his original comic book inspiration, with just the best custom sound :) 

A never-released Cube map. I still may never release it. But at least now you have pretty pictures to look at.

http://rpg.spawnpoint.org/images/maps/rpgcb01_1big.jpg
http://rpg.spawnpoint.org/images/maps/rpgcb01_2big.jpg 

dragonknight actually takes up less memory than magdalena I think. I can run q4hybrid, q4gladiator, magdalena and dragonknight without any troubles on my p3733+gf2 (though obciously not all at the same time). I think all you have to do is set com_hunkmegs to 256.

Others worth checking out are bloodseeker, churchill, dark_knight, grimdemon, koollight, samjai, scurvy, rova, spacemarine40k & violator128. 

I'd like to see models photo-source their textures for more realism.. 

Id love to see photo-sourced texture for the like of magdalena :)) 

Yes. 

the hooligan model has a photoshopped skin.... it isnt too bad but its nothing special 

. 

i meant photosourced 

Well, I can respect the skill of a nicely done Photoshop skin as long as it was entirely from scratch.. but photos always look better when conveying realism. 

but they dont always look right on a agame model. It's like photosourced textures, they look good till you import them into a game (with some exceptions of course). Plus, what speedy said, you cant photosource something if it doesnt exist and some of those models use something called imagination. 

I was referring overall to the dragon model. You could find a variety of photos to use for that.. 

but some of the skins for it, darkhorizon's and shotgun's look spectacular as is. Also, I'm no skinner but the way the skinmaps work wouldnt you allocate more resolution to certain areas. Photosourcing wouldnt look right in some of those cases. 

I've put together 11 1600x1024 screenshots so people can see both the current state of industri and what can be done with the (still alpha) Tenebrae 2 Engine. The download is about 10 megs. Most of the shots in the download can be seen (at a 640x400 res) on the screenshots page.

direct link to download pack:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/industri/ind1600x1024.zip

screenshots page:
http://industri.sourceforge.net/shots.php

main page:
http://industri.sourceforge.net/ 

...with the shadow from the door....that is badass.

Can you post the other 2-3 shots in low res too please! 

the bottom one on the right, with the curved pipes. 

When I first looked at the screenshots, it didn't look like Quake so I figured it was UT2003. Then I saw the monsters and realized it was indeed quake. Very nice!

I love the door picture Shambler mentioned. The glowing green slime looks pretty classy, and overall the architecture looks awesome. Well Done! 

Tigger-ON superb looking screenies....

is tenebrae 2.0 still based on the quake 1 engine, or is it quake 3 based now? 

I finally have an outlet for my fetish of shamblers in rubber suits. 

Glad people like the shots :]

re: missing shots. Try the following links:
http://industri.sourceforge.net/view.php?img=ind030927b2
http://industri.sourceforge.net/view.php?img=ind030927h2
http://industri.sourceforge.net/view.php?img=ind030927i2

re: is it quake or q3a? Its kind of a hybrid now. The BSP is in Q3A format but needs to be compiled with ydnar's q3map2. There is still a progs.dat and other quake legacy features. 

why do you torment us so? 

Admittedly this one isn't anything special, started off with me trying to create an oldskool style map, but I soon got bored of the theme and morphed it into sock_eg. So detailing isn't immaculate or anything. Would appreciate some comments all the same :-)

http://xen.quakepit.com/quake03.jpg
http://xen.quakepit.com/quake04.jpg

And the ogro faces are probably getting ditched.. can't help thinking they clash. 

very nice!
but i think that ogro faces are out of place there. with such oldskool texes only id's texes will work good. overall, nice oldskool castle, reminded me ones of elek and mexx. 

and touch up the lighting. Otherwise looks cool. 

I'd say use the original id gargoyle textures instead of Ogro's. 

I like the ogro textures, makes a change from standard id textures. 

They suck. The rest looks nice....for architecture....remember gameplay is the new architecture....and spawn are mandatory. 

...with modified versions of the graphics in sock's set, to fit with the theme better. The borders around them stick out too much too, gonna set them back a little. Will take on your note about the lighting nitin... need to investigate attentuation values some more.

Shamb, hadn't forgotten about gameplay :-) .. will try not to rush that area. 

the shots look great! nice looking architecture there. ditto on the ogro faces sucking. i'd go with the hanging body textures, myself. 

Great to see you back in the swing, very cool designs going on too. Is that Rubicon studded metal? Looking forward to playing this one.

....remember gameplay is the new architecture....

lol 

Yeah, as everyone else said, the ogro faces don't seem to fit.

And that sky is fucking hideous 

http://www.planetquake.com/berneyboy/tumb_textures/tumb_brick.htm

Dont know if they're of any use or even if they look good in-game but there's meant to be 200o+ textures made by BerneyBoy. 

Most are jpg, with some tga in there too. File size is around 124mb. Unsure whether they would suit peeps around these parts, but they may, there are some nice ones in there. depends on what your after really. 

judging from the high-res preview images, some of those are really nice. Downloading now. 

they arent royalty free etc, bit of a shame, as they would be great for photosourcing textures...and they mostly arent so hot as game textures 'out of the box' so i suppose they would only really be useful for prerendered stuff 

Some look nice, some fairly average and some crap.

Oh, and there's only a 1/3 the number of textures he says, the rest are just the same but hue shifted to either red or blue. 

what does that mean?

metlslime - yeah, you're right. After I finally got some of those to load up, I checked a few out. Some of the bricks etc look pretty decent and could be used in a lot more than just urban themed maps.

noentity,

that's still 700+ isnt it, worth checking if there's some decent stuff I guess. 

i mean that you can't use them as a base for making textures, which would have made them a very useful resource. 

why would you want the textures nitin,
are you mapping

Starbuck:
http://www.imageafter.com/
http://www.mayang.com/textures/
http://www.morguefile.com/ 

no, I just thought I'd point it out in case anyone wanted some new ones. 

id seen the mayang site before (its probably the best ive found) but the others were new to me, morguefile.com in particular looked rather good! 

Not my map, but I thought I'd bring it to everyone's attention. Black Town: http://planetquake.com/lvl/screen_shot.asp?shot=x_blacktown

Review, comments, and download: http://planetquake.com/lvl/comments.asp?id=1619 

....vibe a little bit like alice. Cool lighting,. 

*jaw unhinges*

Wow. 

...good thing too - it was getting rather tight for my mansausage in there! 

That is one screenshot I don't want to see. 

I take it back. If you can't be bothered to do the simple things like seal up your map then your map isn't worth jack no matter how pretty it is.

http://www.cursesandepithets.com/photos/blacktown.jpg

I didn't even trick jump, I just walked into a corner. 

pushplay uses Orb model!!!! 

That's Orb's head on Visor's body. 

Visor has a Big Head. 

Well the massive scores I rack up would give any model a big head!

Take that which ever way you will. 

Seems like an exercise in public masterbation to submit it to LvL... there was obviously no attention paid to making it a 'worth-playing' map.

Yes, it's kinda pretty, but there are so many errors, and horrid mapping in it, that it completly distracts from how nice it should look. The map doesn't 'push limits' it just pushes r_speeds.

And beyond that, just throwing some random song that doesn't fit the theme, and you have no permission/right to use it is just blatently stupid.

Still, it's worth looking at just for the theme and all the little nice details. 

pushplay plays Q3!!!! 

screenies look quite good :

http://www.planetunreal.com/phalanx 

hm...
tell me what you think. personally, i think the lighting still needs a bit of work to get a little more contrast out of it.
features aguiRe's super cool light program with the smoothing feature which helped out a lot with all the angles involved with the brushes.

http://www.planetquake.com/necros/levels/nesp16/nesp16_1.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/necros/levels/nesp16/nesp16_2.jpg 

The Blue and brown just is not working. Try some of the textures with more orange in them to contrast the blue mayhap? Of course I was never a huge fan of the blue textures. 

yeah the textures look completly unattractive
seems the relation of scales could be better, but
cant see much from your screen 

necros: the textures are horrible.
and the geometry sucks too, its all square?? and you are trying to create textures with brushes, that wasnt the point of the contest 

those dont look like geocomp textures to me, if you use rivets and stuff to make textures and trims it looks too much like a normal map (but more boring) 

I thought the first shot was kinda cool. 

well, it's not really a true geocomp map, just that i concentrated on making cool geometry.

guess i suck though. 

I like the first screenshot too.

BTW on above, that cave level is quite nice looking! Very moody and atmospheric. Good use of blue fog/lighting, methinks. Hope it play well... It's too bad there has to be such a wide line between beauty maps and gameplay maps. I love the few that do both. 

Instead just put lights along the sky brushes, that way you'll get better lighting contrast, I recon. (Or maybe aguire's 2-skylight thing would help, i dunno, i havent played with it) 

On website here are shots about some levels in progress, is taking me too much time though.
Custom textures.
Custom sounds.
Models form the reckoning level pak.
Still in mind using the Knightmare engine. 

www.geocities.com/amaryl_1

also there are two former maps to play with standard textures though. 

Some neat stuff in there. It looks like most of it is corridors, though. Try mixing it up with some larger, taller rooms. 

 

Make sure to submit it on here when it's all done with, I love Q2SP! 

http://www.quake3world.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/025998-10.html?

relevant screenies near the bottom 

funky indeed. :) 

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~polycount/ubb/Forum2/HTML/007871.html?00007


Dont know how they play/run etc but the some screenshots look very nice, I like the last one on the bottom right. 

those ut2k3 screenshots look tempting, but i dont even have the game.

might buy it though...

whats the gameplay like in ut2k3? say compared to Quake 3? and do they have a railgun equivalent? :) 

I dont have the game if you were asking me :) 

Gameplay is good, I know alot of people around here may think different, but if you give it a fair chance, you will get rewarded. I don't like all the button mashing to activate the powerups (adrenaline) or the dodgejumping etc. But you can turn that off. The game looks amazing. There are some excellent custom maps around for it. The bonus packs also give you some great maps. There are good maps on the retail version, also some not so good. To me it is not quite as fast as QuakeIII, but faster than UT (I thought UT was crap, SP aside) Closest thing to the rail gun would be the Lightning Gun, which can be quite rewarding to use.
People would say wait until UT2004 comes out to buy, because it is supposed to have all the UT2003 content, which is fair enough. I myself would prefer to have both.
Find the right maps, Pump the bots up to Inhuman, or Godlike, and you'll be hard pressed to find a better experience. Then there is online play. Which is very good on a good server. Although, coming up against someone who has all the dodging moves down can be, well, lets say eye opening.

Would I trade my QuakeIII for UT2003?, NO!!, Would I like to be without UT2003? NO!! 

in the map pack, they play/run fine, most are very good, depends on personal taste of course 

While wew got a bit of a UT2003 flavour goin' on, check this out

http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=328633 

that map seems to suffer from classic UT2003 overdetailing :) 

But when you actually get inside, your opinion may change 

Distinctly inferior yet simultaneously highly derivative of the excellent UT. The graphics are nice, though. 

Some really cool-looking stuff in there! 

I didn't like 2003 as much as the original UT. The original had a more solid, real look/feel to it, while 2003 felt more glossy and shiny than it should be. The gameplay was excellent, but UT was better, IMHO.

I'm downloading the pack now, even though I have no way of getting it home. :) Maybe someone will have a spare CDR I can burn it to. 

Many of the player voices and such in 2003 tend to be annoying as hell. The first thing I did after buying it was download a mod that replaced them all (including the STUPID ANNOUNCER). Be sure to do that or you'll end up clawing your ears out. 

You could have just turned them off 

That includes the STUPID ANNOUNCER 

That pack really makes me wish that I had UT2k3 and a computer to run it on.

Some really impressive stuff there, I would love to just wander around some of the levels. 

pretty 

here's a small peek at my soon to be released q3 map. Will be finishing it this weekend.

http://scampie.spawnpoint.org/screens/stormtrigger_shot.jpg 

boring lighting. 

I don't think those highlights at the base of the structures look very good. They look like they should either be much taller (each lighting up the side of the building in a tall spire), or not be there at all.

I really like the architecture. 

Either needs some strong sunlight or a two-tone twilight vs. artificial kinda thing. Looks like milton keynes on an overcast day at the moment. 

Looks good. I like the hilights, but I agree that they should go taller. Maybe twice the height they go to now. Certainly not all the way to the top. 

had planned those to be wallwasher spotlights and will do it when I finish the last bits of brushwork I have on the map. 

it looks too runic and reminds me too much of CPMA maps. 

...I sometimes think a bland, greyer look can work. Milton Keynes on an overcast day....hell, why not a weirdo Q3A structure on an overcast day?? 

it looks too runic and clearly is in need of idbase. And by making what looks like a gameplay only fullbright box map catered for hardcore players, he's clearly bringing about the death of mapping.

So dont encourage him. 

yeah, the map is completely designed with cpma in mind... hell, you see the little extra trim on the outer walk there? that's so a perfect bunny hop can get you from the top platform to the bottom.

/me remembers not to clip the map at all 

what the hell is CPMA 

Nitin has a sense of humour after all! 

Where's that q1sp map, i want to kill the scrag! 

extra little trim on outer walk = BAD. Never have anything that could get in the way of a player and slow him down. It sucks. A lot.

Plus the extra detail brings down FPS from 135 to 134 which is completely unaccetable because at that speed the bunny hop you're providing for is too difficult to perform. FFS, what were you thinking man????

kthx 

.............................................. 

When I said I was finishing it this weekend, I meant 'I'll be still working on it after the weekend and will most likely release it next weekend or the weekend after'

Quaker-X and Glassman's maps game me some other ideas for stuff and I still have to build the last freaking hall I had to do when the weekend started... oh well. It's coming 

GIVE ME COOKIE! 

cookie is after stormtrigger. Stormtrigger was started to be a quick 1 week map to take my mind off cookies... 1 week has become 4 weeks now :o 

or tea would probably be sufficient to calm me down....

(where's taht cookie icon?) 

http://www.davegh.com/blade/davegh.htm

Some varied quality and smoe specific usage stuff, but some of them are stunning! The guy worked on Blade : Severance (didnt get any credit for it though).

SHould be useful for some of you mappers. 

I love the hand-painted look. You could make a whole level that looks like the backdrops of animated films. I wonder what game made between 1994 and 1998 needed textures THAT high-res and high-quality, but their loss is our gain. Or something.

The license is a little unclear though -- sounds like you can use them in non-commercial video games as long as you never distribute the video game en masse. Or does that mean that the textures in the raw cannot be mass distributed? 

I believe the first line is the important one as the rest seems to specify what he meant in that part. So that would be :

I am the copyright holder of this material. These textures can't be used for comercial purposes in any way 

if you go to any of the texture pages

You may use these textures for personal use or any other non comercial use . THESE TEXTURES CAN'T BE USED FOR COMERCIAL PURPOSES IN ANY WAY WITHOUT EXPLICIT PERMISSION FROM THE AUTHOR. 

okay, i didn't see that the copyright message was different on the sub-pages.

I'm intrigued by what could be done with these, in targa format, in a quake level with a .lit file. I might have to start messing around. 

I already used a few of those in a simple Cube map. 

The terrain and fortress blend together very well in that screenshot. 

Great textures! Although I have no commercial interest, happy to use a few.http://members.home.nl/gimli/Quake13.jpg 

http://members.home.nl/gimli/Quake13.jpg 

uh huh 

i seem to recall that actually being done, which is the worrying part 

Can anyone guess which skill selection teleporter this is?

http://rpg.spawnpoint.org/images/blah/newunfer.jpg 

far from done, but still... http://www.shorl.com/bojetratohumi 

"Really really very hard indeed and you're definitely not good enough to play this, loser" skill?? 

Looks quite nice for a work in progress. I personally would prefer some more distinct water (I'm thinking of the SOA icy water but I realise that might not go down well). 

if it was easy 

Architecture looks nice in general. The blue light texture at the top end of the picture doesn't work very well though. It would probably be better if it were more obviously a strip light, clearly going in the direction of the brush... if you catch my meaning there. Also lighting isn't very contrasting, although of course that texture set has a tendency to look washed out. 

i dont know but i like the architecture. 

"holy fuck-asaurus, i'm going to die" skill?
i like the evilness of it.

also, Preacher, that's cool lookin' brushwork there! 

In regards to pokemon quake...

You mean this atrocity?

http://mods.moddb.com/1131/ 

i didnt realise you did that one :)

but according to moddb its refreshingly awesome! 

They got a real kick out of Galactix and Battle Mech, too. It seems all my weird, bizarre mods get all the attention. :) 

RPG: That skill selection room looks ridiculously good.

Preacher: Architecture looks good, but definately needs more variety in texture colors. As of now it looks way too bland and even proper lightning wouldnt save that. 

Thanks, Jago. 

http://triumphant.us/~inertia/temp/woo8.jpg

http://triumphant.us/~inertia/temp/woo9.jpg

Those are pictures of the first section of the "deep storage" area in a spaceship. In other words, it is dark, quiet, and you're quite alone :) 

rather creepy looking stuff... i get the feeling you've been playing Hell in a can :) 

I get the feeling you've been playing Natural Selection.

It's nice, but I think when doing spaceship levels each room and hallway needs something unique so you don't get lost. In the first level of Halo I could have sworn I was going in circles through constantly restocking rooms. 

My title broke the board. I'm the bad boy of forum posts. 

so will this be finished before or after bwdm1?

and will it be more than just nice looking hallways? 

not for long :) 

 

<rather creepy looking stuff... i get the feeling you've been playing Hell in a can :)

Hmmm, that feeling anything to do with BWSP1 (Vapourware S.E.) completely ripping it off?? 

im just judging from the shots, mainly the cages that the fiends jump out of in cassp1, i never played any version of bwsp1 so I can't comment about that. 

Looks like an Unreal level, well not really but for some reason most Unreal SP preview shots are of corridors. Only exception is outdoor levels. 

It looks like American McGee was getting an early start on Alice while he was working on Quake:

http://rpg.spawnpoint.org/images/blah/quakealice.jpg 

anyone interested should e-mail me: necros@planetquake.com

be warned however: this is that pseudo geocomp map i am working on, so expect super hi wpoly.
peak is around 2500 and average is around 1000.
(there are low areas, around 600ish)

in general, you should have a fairly recent videocard and a pretty quick processor.
a 1ghz + geforce4ti4200 runs the map fairly smoothly with about 40 fps. 

Made a few screenshots of the first 6pack
of The Abandoned: Wanderer.

http://members.lycos.nl/portable/newpage.html 

Seriously, you need to drop those ugly purple textures. You build quality is decent, but those horrid purple textures bring down the work you've put into the levels. 

Lose the purple. Other than that, shots 2 and 4 are kinda okay. 

It were the textures coming with Thred.
There was a brick1 texture what was even more awfull. Spent days to change the texture names
by hand.6 x 480names. But that in was the time of QMAp. But also the reason I tend to these.
Made myself some green textures, and borrowed
from other mappers.
I thought it gave the maps some warmth.

BY which texture would you change it? 

Im always up for some david.carter@boltblue.com 

...what's that? Never heard of it! Where can I find it? Is it Q1SP? (quite a lot questions) 

http://www.phait-accompli.com/quake/shots/ 

I'll change that ground tex depending which wall tex I decide on... 

although shot1d looks ok too. 

A is kinda overused
B is harder to light well
C is more of a ground/ceiling texture
E is a bit too murky, more of a dark, dank swampy type rock 

then switch back to the rock texture you were using in the other tunnel (if you make a tunnel in that opening...) 

B is nice for rocks, quite natural and a good contrast.

D doesn't even pretend to be rocks and fits in well as a built style. 

. 

www.tmsexchange.com/blitz/blitz1.JPG 

http://www.tmsexchange.com/blitz/blitz1.JPG 

if you were intending for a natural rock look, then go for A. if you don't mind the constructed feeling of the bricks (moldy castles are fine in my book), then D would work too. E is a nice texture but I don't think it works that well heavily used on a large surface area like that. 

http://www.angelfire.com/scary/ph8accompli/quake/ 

 

Not working! 

Sorry, forgot the /shots/ dir. I have a temporary site setup at the url now. Here's incomplete PH8DM1:

http://www.angelfire.com/scary/ph8accompli/quake/ph8dm1.html 

I have a large amount of Q1 bsps (mainly from the old cdrom.com ftp archive) that I want to have a screenshot taken from each one to help remembering which map it is.

My solution so far has been to use a batch file and a slightly modified .cfg file that automatically loads each bsp into an engine, takes a screenshot when the map is loaded and then quits.

This method has some shortcomings that require manual fiddling, e.g. DM maps that don't have an info_player_start key etc. Also, it only generates a screenshot at player spawn position which may be facing a wall, temporarily inside skies etc.

I've thought of trying to make use of the info_intermission position but I haven't been able to do that.

Does anyone know of a better way to do this, e.g. using some utility? 

Paul was working on a Quake front end that had loads of map info + screenshots. But it didn't take screenshots; those were just ones he took manually.

http://paul.fov120.com/qlp.html 

ive considered doing this but havent had time to fiddle with it, i was thinking of just setting up something (a script or quakec/whatever) that loaded each map with fraglimit of -1 which skips to the intermission, but then then thing is you get all that intermission text (in dm, the player list and kills, in sp the kills/time/secrets), which could probably be removed by some combination of engine/quakec mod (i dont remember what draws that stuff)

but like you said, possible problems with no intermission spot and/or the right spawnpoints, which could probably be written to a file so those maps would have to be archived manually.

seems like alot of hassle for the sake of archiving/organization, although it would be cool 

...you get all that intermission text [...], which could probably be removed by some combination of engine/quakec mod...

You could probably use a modified gfx.wad where all of the text and graphics were replaced with blank ones. But as you suggested, it seems likely to me that some engine (perhaps DarkPlaces) would probably have a r_draw_2d variable which could remove all 2d graphics. 

Write a tiny QC mod that puts the player at an info_player_intermission (in client.qc:SelectSpawnPoint)and forces them to face the point's .mangle (in PutClientInServer; you can just c'n'p from execute_changelevel, iirc).

If there's no _intermission, look for a _start or a _deathmatch. 

suggestions guys. I haven't thought of that fraglimit -1 thing, ingenious. I've now modified my script so it first takes a screenshot at the spawn point and then another at intermission point before exiting.

Then I'll have two pics to choose from when finally converting the TGAs into tiny JPGs.

Now if I could just get rid of the score overlay text ... metlslime, any ideas for FitzQuake? 

set a fraglimit of 5 or whatever, and use the kill command to cycle through the spawns. 

Here are some screenshots of my q1sp map I'm working right now. These are fullbright. I just want to know what do you think about architecture before I start light it.

http://pulsar.pochtamt.ru/egpt1.jpeg
http://pulsar.pochtamt.ru/egpt2.jpeg
http://pulsar.pochtamt.ru/egpt4.jpeg
http://pulsar.pochtamt.ru/egpt5.jpeg 

good-looking map (I've had a sneak preview). With suitable sunlight, those textures will really shine. 

architecture is ok it seems.
though, it's hard to estimate it w/o lighting because light can change the look of architecture dramatically. 

that architecture looks like it could be impressive, but with no lighting its very difficult to say 

write a qc mod that loops through the intermission cameras doing a stuffcmd("screenshot") at each one. But, since you don't tell the client it's intermission time, you won't see the overlay. 

Pulsar - looks pretty nice to me, can't wait till it's released. 

Looks cool. I like the large scale but make sure it doesn't get too large. The first shot looks like a DM map. The second shot is quite impressive - be wary of the wall textures though. As the others have said, lighting will be particularly important for a map such as this with a larger scale and textures that have quite a similar contrast. 

i've been showing these to some people on #terrafusion, so you get to see too:

http://www.cstone.net/~greenwud/grahfsp1_01.jpg
http://www.cstone.net/~greenwud/grahfsp1_02.jpg
http://www.cstone.net/~greenwud/grahfsp1_03.jpg

q1sp, very nonlinear and openended, r_speeds expected to be slightly ridiculous. ~2700 brushes so far, architecture is maybe a bit more than halfway done. :\

Dunno wtf is up with that 3rd shot, quake took the screenshot that way.


Pulsar: looks nice! love the sock egypt textures. 4th shot has good architecture, though there is a strange looking strip of rock in the righthand part of that shot. 

very nice texture usage. Looks good, I hope it gets released though. 

gonna be a while though. 

doesn't look like anything i've seen before, which has to be a good thing 

agree with prior two opinions. very nice brushwork.

i thought it was a dm map at first, so good job on the openendedness part, obviously. :)
i like the look of shot3, even though it's screwed up. awesome, man!
also, what would you consider "slightly ridiculous" as r_speeds? 

email me: necros@rogers.com 

Strange though, I have a 6pack ready for beta testing, but noone seem to notice.

Here some pix from "UnderGround"
http://members.home.nl/gimli/Quake02.jpg
http://members.home.nl/gimli/Quake03.jpg 

aguirRe: can I have your script ?

madfox: try better textures, use trims, use sourced lights (dont forget light textures), work on light in general (I suggest you use some advanced light compiler, like tyrlight, with realistic falloff)

Grahf : cool except for a "structural beam" with metal texture on the sides and brick texture on the front 

Mapist = Speedy, right? Otherwise I need your email address or you can send me an email and I'll reply to that. 

that was a question that I need a confirmation on before sending anything. Mapist, who are you? 

yes, Mapist is Speedy 

http://www.planetquake.com/eggman/shots/shofu1.jpg

http://www.planetquake.com/eggman/shots/shofu4.jpg 

The grate texture on the curved catwalk looks sloppy. You should fix that. 

I would like to fix it. The texture itself is perfectly aligned, and looks fine closeup, however problems occur from a greater distance. If anyone knows a shader parameter or a workaround to fix this, it would be much appreciated. 

Aliasing's a bitch. 

you could do some funky trickjumps off the rocks if they are not clipped off. 

nopicmip and nomipmaps (iirc) in the shader may help. 

...looks cool, the first shot has some "sense of place". I think the rocks look a bit bland and....bleak though. 

tx nb and shambs. I agree the rocks are a little bland in that shot, I've tried to liven them up with lava and a green crystal shader in different areas, I've just got to get those shaders around more without making the rocks look too contrived. 

You might be better off with alpha blending (blendfunc blend) rather than alphafunc, although you could run into sorting issues and the lighting might not be as good.

nopicmip won't actually help in this case, although if you use alphafunc then it should be in there anyway to prevent the grate becoming invisible or solid with picmip 10. 

So Maj, I would change the 'alphafunc GE128' stage to 'blendfunc GE128'??

textures/base_floor/proto_grate4
{
surfaceparm metalsteps
surfaceparm trans
surfaceparm nonsolid //Tim's fuckage
cull none
nopicmip

// A GRATE OR GRILL THAT CAN BE SEEN FROM BOTH SIDES
{
map textures/base_floor/proto_grate4.tga
//tcMod scale 2 2
blendFunc GL_ONE GL_ZERO
alphaFunc GE128
depthWrite
rgbGen identity
}
{
map $lightmap
rgbGen identity
blendFunc GL_DST_COLOR GL_ZERO
depthFunc equal
}
} 

green crystal shader

Make some green crystals out of brushes. Make a whole bunch. R_speeds be damned. 

The first stage should be:

{
map textures/base_floor/proto_grate4.t...
blendfunc blend
rgbgen vertex
}

And the second stage would have to be removed, cos you can't combine lightmaps with alphablending (except in some rare cases).

I haven't written any shaders for yonks though so take that all with salt... 

For the rocks, to make them look much less bland (and tiley for that matter) switch to a two-stage rock shader, and scale the two rock textures differently. Something like:

textures/yourmap/rock
{
q3map_nonplanar
q3map_shadeangle 89
{
map $lightmap
rgbGen identity
}
{
map textures/yourmap/rock.tga
blendFunc GL_DST_COLOR GL_ZERO
rgbGen identity
tcMod scale 1.2 1.2
}
{
map textures/pjw3dm6/rock2.tga
blendFunc GL_DST_COLOR GL_SRC_COLOR
rgbGen identity
tcMod scale 0.7 0.7
}
}

Looking good. :) 

missed the second "pjw3dm6". Heh. 

that's a fucking brillent hack pjw, I'll implant that in the q3 maps I promised to finish ages ago :P 

his rocks always look really cool (I liked pjw3dm3 rocks the best). 

whoa great feedback peeps thx. pjw the passes might rack up too high with a two stage shader, a lot of these crystals are visible behind each other which is basically like a window looking through a window looking through a window etc... that supposedly is bad. i'll give it a shot for sure though, still got room for more detail though avg r_speeds around 5k-6k 

Things are flowing smoothly so far, not even near 30% done though...

- http://www.angelfire.com/scary/ph8accompli/quake/img/dm1a.jpg
- http://www.angelfire.com/scary/ph8accompli/quake/img/dm1b.jpg
- http://www.angelfire.com/scary/ph8accompli/quake/img/dm1c.jpg 

looks good, but you have too many different wall panelings going on. 

Think that blue wall would be distracting?
Here's a bigger/better shot:
http://www.angelfire.com/scary/ph8accompli/quake/ph8dm1.jpg 

Looks good to me. 

looks good to me too. 

Nitin, can you more specifically point to what you mean? Do you mean the grey tex that takes up most of the wall, the lines going across (defining 'panels'?)? 

I meant the windows/panels (in shot 1a, there's 6 of them and they are all different - ie cadaver in one, just skulls in another and so on) 

Gotcha... I'll consider it, still got more to do. Thanks all. 

Can wait for you to finish it. 

i actually like the shots the way they are. keep it up! 

Try sticking to 2-4 insets/panels for the map. Using that many in one room is especially distracting. You could try replacing one of the central inset pieces with a support column of some sort. It's not a really huge deal, it just could be done better and that small thing would really improve the map. 

Thanks again! I'll post more shots when I get more done and I think I will remove some panels, a few more areas need them yet anyway =) 

http://www.freewebs.com/myetsite/d4veemap.jpg 

If you loop back to this site...
than loop back to good old school Quake...

http://members.home.nl/gimli/Quake19.jpg

I lost the shape of the tiffany,
by scaling the level again. 

Gib: I can't load the image. It just loops back here.

MadFox: looks good. 

While texturing the window for the third time,
it comes to me from a distance the black surrounding square won't leave!
I have changed all the pixels into lighter ones, but the dark square stays.

Funny result after all that texturing. 

rpg: cut and paste. 

If you cut n paste it works, probably my mates shitty free hosting. 

Try using the original tex but scaling it up in editor.
The other option is to use the original tex centered in the opening then add a surround to hide the errant pixels. 

I already tried with pasting over the texture, but this won't work. Seems the black square appears every time from a distance.

The texture limit is 128x128, so scaling up will divide it to more texture units. (argh... texture count!) 

Just about done with this one. Just needs to be tweaked here and there and perhaps beta-tested. Let me know if you would be interested in doing that and can give me some intelligent feedback.

http://www.om9zer.com/leveldesign/untitled/A.jpg
http://www.om9zer.com/leveldesign/untitled/B.jpg
http://www.om9zer.com/leveldesign/untitled/C.jpg
http://www.om9zer.com/leveldesign/untitled/D.jpg
http://www.om9zer.com/leveldesign/untitled/E.jpg
http://www.om9zer.com/leveldesign/untitled/F.jpg
http://www.om9zer.com/leveldesign/untitled/G.jpg
http://www.om9zer.com/leveldesign/untitled/H.jpg
http://www.om9zer.com/leveldesign/untitled/I.jpg

Thanks,
Joe 

awesome lighting, really, just the right amount of coloured light to be interesting while still being subtle.

Brush work looks solid and fairly original generally but lacks unique features from one area to another, such as could be provided by small level detailing, etc and ends up looking slightly plain. This could be a texturing problem actually, maybe try replacing some of the brick texture with something else in places

but generally it looks great 

the 'problem' is only on shots B-D

wow, B-D looks like a tiny penis
er, ill get my coat. 

Couple shots here:
- http://www.angelfire.com/scary/ph8accompli/quake/ph8dm2d.jpg
- http://www.angelfire.com/scary/ph8accompli/quake/ph8dm2e.jpg 

http://www.tmsexchange.com/blitz/blitzdm1_1.jpg

http://www.tmsexchange.com/blitz/blitzdm1_2.jpg

http://www.tmsexchange.com/blitz/blitzdm1_3.jpg 

Trademarked Sex Change? 

Oh right, yeah, the map.

Kinda dark in places and the texturing is a bit repetitive, but I like the brushwork and theme. 

http://izmweb.sytes.net/blackpope/toomuchpope.jpg 

http://izmweb.sytes.net/blackpope/barren_editor1.jpg 

 

oh wait...

i like the quarterpipe lava canal. 

- http://www.angelfire.com/scary/ph8accompli/quake/ph8dm2a.jpg
- http://www.angelfire.com/scary/ph8accompli/quake/ph8dm2b.jpg
- http://www.angelfire.com/scary/ph8accompli/quake/ph8dm2c.jpg
- http://www.angelfire.com/scary/ph8accompli/quake/ph8dm2d.jpg

75% done. 

very flat and plain. 

The build quality is there (I mean there aren't weird assortments of odd-shaped brushes), but there isn't much of anything there. The walls are exceedingly flat. You've put in a few cool touches (damaged bits, wires, and artificial colored lighting from the slime), but those aren't doing much for the overall detail level. Comparing this to Ph8DM1, I know you can do better.

Sorry to be harsh, but that's the way it is. 

theres so much detail and variation you can do with idbase. no need to keep the same wall texture over the whole map. plenty of 'detail' textures that can be used like comps and stuff, that lend themselves to their own brushes rather than being wall decoration

take some time and play older idbase sp/dm maps and apply some of what you see to your map.


and dont forget CRATES 

"Sorry to be harsh, but that's the way it is."
No thats quite fine, I've actually been asking around what I should do... the map is going *somewhere* (up), but I don't know how yet.

Thanks!

(BTW, there are some crates ;) ) 

apart from visuals, I also meant that the layout looked very flat. 

this time with light. doing the whole map with 0 minlight, meaning i'll have to pay that much more attention to make sure it works properly. mostly a learning experience...

http://www.planetquake.com/necros/levels/lend/lend1.jpg 

really nice... more time-consuming of course, but with results like that who can argue 

very nice. 

I really like that. 

Either that lava texture is too bright or there isn't enough falloff on the light that comes off of it. It looks like the surrounding area should be alot brighter than it is. I'd personally replace it with water actually to fit with the overall gloomy style.

Save that though, it looks very good. 

it might look better if the lava generated coloured light 

http://www.amightywind.com/hell/citizenhell.htm 

Or you could modify the tex that borders it to have a "glow" effect. 

well... for color, at this moment, that would be no. mainly because aguire's light doesn't do color atm.
(but also a bit because i'm not very good with color)
if aguire puts in colored light support, i'll try it out.

i actually like the idea of making a texture for the lava light. thx phait. i'll try my hand in photoshop and see what i can come up with. i just hope i have enough room left in the bsp for more textures. :P 

Take a vibrant orange color, make a gradient of transparent-to-orange, drag that down about half-way or in a 4th of the texture's height.. make this on a new layer, experiment with layer modes. 

I did it on these tex's around the slime: http://www.angelfire.com/scary/ph8accompli/quake/ph8dm2a.jpg 

non of you links work for me :( 

Not sure what to say, Gib. 

i tried something like you said, Phait.
can't say it looked very good. oranges aren't done well in the quake palette, and the vibrant orange i mixed into the stone and rock textures ended up looking really ugly in game. it was a nice idea, but doesn't work for lava i think. thx anyway 

Let me see the tex... or select an orange straight from Quake's palette. I really don't see why it can't be done alright, unless the orange turned out looking like idbase orange. 

...map, Lilith I think. 

yes it's done there, but not that smoothly if you use fitzquake. the prob is in fillbright pixels... 

clearly the work of capitalist scum 

But I think the lava should be darker. It would fit in better, to me, and would help alleviate the lighting problem some. I think I may have gotten this texture from evil_lair or something like that. Can't remember, but I think the darkness of the lava would work well in your map (although may not transfer to q1 well):

http://www.notthisway.com/temp/lava.jpg 

You can easily remove fullbrights though.. 

here was my attempt...

http://www.planetquake.com/necros/levels/lend/craplava.jpg

as you can see, it looks more beige than orange, and is not really that convincing in full 24bit color either. 

I agree with H-hour. 

not that bad, just need to adjust the color a bit. 

can you give me a bmp or jpg of that tex? I'll fool around with it. 

nitin, you actually think that's decent? hm... never thought i was very good at textures... :P

Phait: http://www.planetquake.com/necros/levels/lend/lavabottom.zip
lavabottom_24.tga is the original rtg tex with the orange and
lavabottom_q1.tga is converted into q1 palette. i realized later that you could have converted it to quake palette yourself, but ... *shrug*
if you could get it to look more like the texture in vondur's lilith (with the cool yellowish highlight effect) that'd be awesome. sadly, that type of thing is a little beyond my skills. mostly, i just took the brush tool on color mode and set it to orange at 50% and traced around the bricks. :P 

more importantly, i wish i could find a nice big 256x256 lava texture. i had to scale up the regular one by 3, so when your in the lava, it looks pretty rank, and if you leave it at default scale (or even 2x) it looks awfully tiled when your up on the platforms... 

http://www.angelfire.com/scary/ph8accompli/quake/lava.zip

The first tga is probably best (I used color dodge on that gradient layer for that one)... I haven't tested these, just convert to Q1 palette of course. Take some shots if you decided to use any of them. 

That's pretty cool, it looks quite orange to me, and the rock itself looks white/grey which is actually quite realistic, rock tends to do that when heated to extreme levels. Basically it looks like a little orange glow cast on rock bleached white by centuries of heat. 

That look great. 

this time with light
http://pulsar.pochtamt.ru/egli2.jpeg 

but the lighting's still a bit flat. 

I know, but it's a quite raw lighting yet 

Looks good, though, pulsar - the architecture looks really nice. 

Can't go wrong with Sock's egypt set. 

Skyboxes for Q3 enjinn. Don't have time to release anymore material right now; this will have to do for the moment.

http://kell.vondur.net/pan-eaglesdare-lg.jpg
http://kell.vondur.net/sky-eaglesdare-jpg.zip

http://kell.vondur.net/pan-heather-lg.jpg
http://kell.vondur.net/sky-heather-jpg.zip

http://kell.vondur.net/pan-darkmatter-lg.jpg
http://kell.vondur.net/sky-darkmatter-jpg.zip

http://kell.vondur.net/pan-dust-lg.jpg
http://kell.vondur.net/sky-dust-jpg.zip

Enjoy. 

i like the first and last ones the best.

i have a question regarding skyboxes... how big can you make the individual pieces? 512x512? or can you go crazy and do 1024x1024? 

I gave darkmatter and dust a look. The other two look pretty run of the mill. You must have saved it in a really low quality or something because the subtle shading is all seperated out into rings and it gives the skies a bad-acid-trip feel. 

first and last one, pretty nifty. 

really nice ambiance, with that lovely mist in the distance and the dusty sky 

necros/pushplay:

I only have the unreg ver of TG, so there's a limitation on how large an image I can render - smaller than 1024x1024 :( I would produce versions that size if I could, but it would mean forking out serious cash for the reg.
Interesting that you guys like dust, I actually thought the less realistic skies wouldn't go down so well; I've actually been trying to make realism/earth-bound skies more, coz I fot datz wot peepl wonnt :/

Anyway, a few more to follow. 

big KTHX to Vondurski for providing the webspace - moran taing d00d 

honestly, i don't really care if it's realistic or not. mostly, it's just a matter of the sky going with the terrain and looking cool at the same time.

also, why not crack terraingen? there's got to be tons of those out there, since it's pretty popular. 

you are assuming, of course, that I would

a. have the net access to get hold of one
b. know where to look
c. know how to use it
d. avoid seriously shafting my OS in the process
e. be able to delete the noxious thing when it turned out to be some pr0n dialer

bleh, I'll stop making excuses now. 

I've made a couple of skies in TG and didn't get that gawdaweful ringed look. Also, realistic skies look stupid in Q3. And who made that stupid Q3 sky with the flat moon? Someone needs to teach that boy some perspective. 

the skies can be used in other Q3 enjin games, which are more realistic than Q3.

That 'godawful ringed look' may be because you have a more recent version of TG. Or you may just have had different atmospheric settings. I'm not sure.

Dunno, maybe Adrian 'No Relation' Carmack. It does look cack, but perspective isn't the problem - a sphere is always going to look like a circle when you look at it :P I think the moon is just too large. 

two seconds of searching on overnet got me a crack for the lastest ver (0.9.19) it's a simple .exe and .dll replace and the file is like 350k.

cheers ;) 

A sphere will always look like a circle from any angle, but a circle drawn on a plane and held at an angle will look like an ellipse. 

Decided to try my hand at a Quake DM map, I will surely need testers to help work out weapon/item balance. This is a very simple, two story dealy dressed out in Speedy's textures... Any takers? Should be ready for the beta test thing Monday/Tuesday.

"http://www.backshooters.com/maric/mq1_1a.jpg"
"http://www.backshooters.com/maric/mq1_1b.jpg"
"http://www.backshooters.com/maric/mq1_1c.jpg" 

I screwed up the links as per my usual. Would someone be so kind as to fix them? And then explain to me what I did wrong? 

don't put the url in quotes. 

Thank you sir...

http://www.backshooters.com/maric/mq1_1a.jpg
http://www.backshooters.com/maric/mq1_1b.jpg
http://www.backshooters.com/maric/mq1_1c.jpg 

looks wise. It's a bit too repetitive for my liking. Scale in shot 3 looks a bit cramped too. 

Reminds me of Blitzdm1 

It is very much like one of my Q2 maps, it is very repetitive and slightly cramped unlike said Q2 map. When I opened it up a bit the r_speeds went off the charts.

This is more or less an experiment for me and a break from the Q2 stuff. In fact I have no idea as to what is considered acceptible r_speed wise in Quake. The idea of this one is to test the waters and see if I am going in the right direction. 

600-650 is the prefered limit in Q1 if you're trying to support older computers. Also, under the default settings on software engines, if the r_speeds go over 700 (I think) then you'll get the grayflash effect. 

Thank you R.P.G.

Reminds me of Blitzdm1

I have not seen it, Link? 

That'd be this one I think: http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=12796 

I always thought the default was 800.

Anyone got the definitive answer? 

http://www.planetquake.com/tronyn/haunted1.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/tronyn/haunted2.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/tronyn/haunted3.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/tronyn/haunted4.jpg 

it's hard to tell with editor shots. i'm sure it'll look better ingame with lighting, but it's not very flattering atm. the first shot has too much of the yellow window. the four on top of the tower is overkill. put maybe 2 or even 1.

i like the flesh parts (shot3) :P
shot2 looks ok, but not that good, i'm sure lighting will help alot.

shot4, i don't like the way the sides of the rocks (both the red, doom ones and the yellow quake ones) are completly flat. looks very unatural. you should break up those walls into 128x128 sides and skew them around a bit. make them look more jaggedy and such.

i like the fence in shot1 a lot. make sure you throw enough light on it ingame to show off the coolness of it. 

...good to see that foetus back in use. 

visecra ewww.. 

http://www.tmsexchange.com/blitz/blitzsp1.jpg

YAY! 

like a big gay orgy, blitz

i guess you can easily model what you can see 

Hiya. I've gotten mapping again (bit rusty). All brutal opinions of the following are welcome:

http://www.planetquake.com/commandhq/maps/forwards/fc1.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/commandhq/maps/forwards/fc2.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/commandhq/maps/forwards/fc3.jpg

Cheers 

Get rid of the minlight and make all those lights brighter. If you're going to bother making architecture, you should bother to light it nicely so it looks decent.

Other than that, looks solid. 

the brushwork looks fine, but the lighting needs work.

the first shot is almost completly dark to me, the second has no contrast at all and the third is the same as the second. 

I like cube and everything, but that was not a compliment. 

There's no minlight... I was experimenting with radiosity. I'll try relighting normally, then.

Thanks guys. 

maybe decrease the amount of light bounces then? 

There's no minlight... I was experimenting with radiosity. I'll try relighting normally, then.

Try experimenting with gamma correction. 

Finished my first Quake effort (will post about it later), went back to my comfort zone...

http://www.backshooters.com/maric/87a.jpg

http://www.backshooters.com/maric/87b.jpg 

that looks totally cool :D 

It looks like something I would do if I would just follow through with my ideas. 

Looks neat. 

How come I see Q2 weapons? 

perhaps becuase it's a Q2 map...? 

It is a Q2 map as a matter of fact. 

Finished my first Quake effort (will post about it later), went back to my comfort zone...

He's finished his first Quake map but since then has gone back to his 'comfort zone', which is, surprisingly, Q2.

Looks nice too 

which is, surprisingly, Q2.

I reiterate... Phfffttt! 

 

Some more shots of my q1sp... comments welcome.

http://www.planetquake.com/commandhq/maps/fc4.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/commandhq/maps/fc5.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/commandhq/maps/fc6.jpg 

They're actually at:

http://www.planetquake.com/commandhq/maps/forwards/fc4.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/commandhq/maps/forwards/fc5.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/commandhq/maps/forwards/fc6.jpg 

i really only like the last shot. the first two are rather uninspiring... although, there is some nice vertex work on the computer terminals. 

I always like it when there's clips or supports or something around the glass so we can see how it's held up. It makes it feel more solid. 

Yes, I was thinking about that. Then I was thinking 'god damn that would take some effort'... 

effort is what makes a map good. 

So I've done it, already... 

For some reason I thought "your comfort zone" was just that style of map, with the rock floating in the void thing. I get it now. 

Every now and then I crank out what I call a "quickie" map (sort of an extended speed map) as a bit of a clearing-the-mental-pipes sort of exercise between larger, more complicated projects.

This map is the result of about 16 hours of work, and this will be the only beta--I'll (obviously) take an hour or two to fix any bugs or problems that are found, but most likely won't do any major reworking.

I basically started wondering a few days ago what would be the smallest map I could map that still had good gameplay. In retrospect, I wish I could have completed it for the 1024 comp, since it fits nicely in a 1024 unit cube. :)

Thanks to Rorshach for the great textures, and Jaj for the perfect skybox!

It's not exactly a CPMA map, but it does have a couple of nice promode jumps in there . . . and, of course, works fine with vanilla Q3.

Screenies:
http://www.planetquake.com/pjw/screenshots/pjw3quickie4ss1.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/pjw/screenshots/pjw3quickie4ss2.jpg

Download:
http://www.fileplanet.com/dl.aspx?/planetquake/pjw/mapstorage/pjw3quickie4.zip
(~1.1 meg) 

I liked it. You could stand to make the bars more interesting given how much you're using them. 

I could at least use a more interesting texture, or even add a base/top fixture to each. 

I don't think those bars look that great together with the plain wall in the first shot, it looks quite... what was that wonderful word someone used earlier... 'uninspiring' :P

The light casting through the windows is pretty though. 

i like the screenshots a lot, i really like the blue strip lighting stuff.

fc9.jpg looks highly original 

Cheers. Funny, I thought I'd ripped that area off from somewhere... 

I saw your command at the Pipeline.
Here is what I tried...

http://members.home.nl/gimli/Quake01.jpg
http://members.home.nl/gimli/Quake00.jpg 

I think that looks much better - as to getting the waterfall to work properly - turn the waterfall textured brushes into a func_illusionary. If you want pepole to be able to climb up them (unlikely) you can also put a second, smaller brush underneath that is water textured.

Next point...

The lighting seems entirely arbitrary in a lot of places - like at the top of the second picture: the light doesn't seem to be coming from anywhere. I suggest you put some lighting grates or walltorches in. 

Hey, thanks for the hint of making the animated water texture a func_illusion.
It is so absurdly simple I forgot to do so, and now there is a stange barriere between the water tex and the animated one.
I think it is a great solution, but I thought animated tex couldn't have a func_illusion.

For the light you could be right, but as you can see, i made the level 3/2 times bigger.
Now the density of the lights has changed,more so by using the argh.light
The yellow glow has faded and turned into a more cold white ligth. As for all the other things in the level, because I am not sure it was a good idea to enlarge the level.
Now the spaces have become so large, one can easily avoid the monsters attack.

What is your opinion of enlarging a level? 

That level doesn't look too large. In fact, it looks like there's an opportunity for some clever monster placement due to the multilevelness (sic) of the map. Specifically, ogres need very careful placement to be useful. For examples go away and play CZG's maps (http://www.planetquake.com/greyvoid ), they often have very good monster placement, and yet often have wide open spaces. 

Any chance you could post a screenshot of the 2d views on that map in your editor? I'm curious... 

I made an addition of some screenshots of "Crumb" on my Lycos site.
At the very end of it there are 9 new screenshots.

http://members.lycos.nl/portable/newpage.html

What I was curious for was the strange change of lightcolour, what gets lost when one enlarge the map.
The firts screenshot on #655 has a much more mellow glow. 

i can tell you that very easily: you used a different engine in the top shots, than for the last 9. it appears you used regular winquake for the last nine, whereas the first ones appear to have been taken in an engine with support for overbrights and some type of lensflare effect.

it also looks like the palette you were using for the first shots was a lot more vibrant, which made it look like the lights were a warm yellow. the last 9 look like a regular quake palette, which is rather washed out to begin with. 

Wow, that looks like an enormous map with tons going on in it. The quality of the map in the second set of pictures is better than the first, I think. There are some mixed-up textures (like using basefloor on top of rock, and using stone wall for floor). I think you also need to think a bit about texture alignment, especially when using so many stone wall textures. Also, try and break up large areas of texture - I'm thinking of the blue metal with zig-zag trim texture, which overpowers all of the areas it is used in - and it really shouldn't be used on its own as a ceiling texture, either. 

Thanks for the support, I will rest my weary ears on it after the bunch of maps I am digging with.
After all this time it got really hard to understand all the backup directories I made.
Took me three times to upload Quatrotski with all the covered up bugs in it.
And Necros, don't let me fool you with the Telejanos pictures.The other ones were made in the straight Quake1 version, reason why they look so pale.
At least that's what I am realizing now.
BTW thanks for the betatesting! 

I renewed some pictures on my Lycos site.
And although they came out dobble, I stopped
worrying about that fact, for it is a free site.

http://members.lycos.nl/portable/newpage.html

I was wondering about the light question.
As I play the sequel, I see some maps in bright light and others were made with another argh.light and so they are much more dimmed.

My question now is, what could be the best option to set light to the maps, staying as close as possible to the original quake1 settings.

When I see other maps it strikes me they sometimes are so dark, as the original quake also was. Others make maps that are quit bright. 

remove checker part of the texture on the first screen. i mean the part of the EASY/HARD/NORMAL texture when one could see black part of it. i consider it a bug. this part of the texture isn't supposed to be seen.

as for the lighting, it looks too contrast imho. 

Indeed, I lost a nail
but you didn't notice on post #461

I ment in arghlite => range 0.5
or 1 or 999999999???

thanks for your advice, Vondur
Is there one mapper who isn't a Bastard to the original Quake1??? 

They are all bastards to the original Quake. 

http://www.planetquake.com/tronyn/city1.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/tronyn/city2.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/tronyn/city3.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/tronyn/city4.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/tronyn/city5.jpg 

Looks amazing Tronyn. I love the huge scale...

Can't wait to play this one =)) 

I think you need to break up that rock texture somewhat though, it's the only thing spoiling the scene. 

shots 1 and 2 look crap. the others look okish, but lighting is really bad. The door in shot 4 doesnt look good, the trim around it should have a texture that follows the shape better. Same with the door, it doesnt fit. 

really needs work, that's the first time I've ever compiled this map. I'll admit that. As for the doors, aside from making a custom texture, there's not much I can do. 

So make a custom texture already :) 

...there shall be fighting in the parapets, indeed there shall be fighting on the rooftops... I hope? 

I don't know, I haven't put monsters in yet..

I guess I'll explain. This is the new version of The Arabian Nights. When Daz and I started work on the Night Journey, he had the 3 source maps for the original Arabian Nights release. I figured out how they fit together (it was originally one map), and put them together in one map, updated the visuals and put monsters and everything in. Due to many problems with the map and the project, it sat around like that for a long time. Then, in one day last week I went back to it, deleted all of the entities except torches and all of the sky blocks, and worked from above to try to make it into a coherent "city" instead of just a bunch of rooms with sky for a ceiling giving the *impression* of a city. Thus, most of the recognizable areas from Arabian Nights aren't in those shots, because they're several stories below, on ground level.

The rooftops will be accessable one way or another, either as a secret or as part of the mandatory gameplay.

I'll post some shots of a better build along with shots of the original map (before/after etc) on my site next update. 

now RPG will shut up!!! :D 

Some screenies of MirrorMan, after it blew the nightmare skill out of me...

http://members.lycos.nl/portable/newpage0.html

I got so used to the arghlight -range 1, I hardly feel satisfied with the old -range 0.5 

http://www.planetquake.com/bkp/scrotch/sinex1a.jpg


http://www.planetquake.com/bkp/scrotch/sinex1b.jpg 

Cool, looks organic. 

that's by Scrotch for a Q3 Jailbreak map Execution sequence for one of his maps. 

Madfox - getting better. Thank god you've got rid of those ghastly purple textures. Now just focus more on strong lighting and improving your architecture....you're getting there.

Nitin - 1337 shit! Nice lighting too. 

Looks alright... the texture alignment in that first shot though is hideous. Always try and keep the textures aligned with the brushes

Mainly talking about that wall texture. The lines on it should meet with the edges of the brushes. 

That never stopped Romero. 

Age of consent didn't stop him either, doesn't make it right. 

You're just bitter because he said he loved you only so he could get in your pants. 

Sorry, but that wall texture is in a corner
shape, so it does align right.
I wondered about the light thing, because playing it in Argh range 0.5 made the weapons look brighter, but dimmed the textures.
I believe original Quake1 is much darker.

But thanks for your attention.
For days no sign on this board, and than get
haunted by those splendid Q3 shots, it is more than a Q1 dude can bear. 

Madfox, I mean like this:

http://xen.quakepit.com/MF1a.jpg

...as opposed to this:

http://xen.quakepit.com/MF1b.jpg

..which most of your shots seem like. 

The second shot is showing tons fo inprovements, you may yet make a good map! 

...you eeediote Scampie 

You may yet produce a simple one-line post without two blatant typos in it! 

The map is coming on top notch; you think the last shot showed improvements, check this!

http://xen.quakepit.com/MF1c.jpg

:D 

thanx xen, now I know what goal you aimed.

But as I just mapped on for the joy, I now overcome to problems like that.
As soon as I change one brush, all the others start misaleigning on me.

And then there is that odd attitude of brushes with three or sometimes four different texture aleignment within one brush! 

I'll beta it, xen! 

http://www.gamecache.net/hosted/fniggium/hockey/#screenshots 

Reminds me of Q2 basketball, that was kinda fun. 

I see Quark produce polyhedrons with three different texture shapes. First I thought it was due by copying, but replace them with another one leaves me with this odd effect. 

http://www.codecult.com/pics/pages/codecreatures_bmpro2002_4_l.jpg 

 

Grass 1 - FPS 0 

the grass at home is always greener

http://members.lycos.nl/portable/newpage1.html 

Something about that scene makes me want to put a flamethrower to it. 

my freakin allergies are spazzing out just looking at it. 

is that the latest installment of Asaki's grass game? 

/me hugs fr3n 

...please consider using mouldings to frame the door/window apertures, texture alignment mismatches are really only acceptable in speedmaps these days. In the last shot, is one face of that waterfall travelling up and the other down? Otherwise, love the scale but more detail please. 

Its a map I scaled up, therefore the loss of detail becomes noticeable. And due to that fact I had to enhance the lights, made the total to :612 entities read, 200 are lights.
There are 1137 polyhedrons, and the bsp becomes
2.324kb
So I could make more detail, but I play it more for the gameplay.

And then there is that strange effect I asked before with brushes giving three different texture lines. Hardly to put one right without disordering the other... 

So I could make more detail, but I play it more for the gameplay.

I try for a balance between detailed looks and good gameplay, but it's your call...

And then there is that strange effect I asked before with brushes giving three different texture lines.

OK, now I understand what you mean. Sometimes textures line up "naturally", especially when one is using blocks on a grid size that's comparable to the texture size. The only tweaking one need do is reversing two of the vertical faces so that the texture "faces" the same way all around the brush. However, if one starts to angle brush surfaces off the 90 degree either vertically or horizontally then one may need to:

a) move,
b) reverse,
c) rotate,
d) all of the above

textures on particular faces to get things to line up. I find this relatively easy to do in Worldcraft by selecting the offending face, hitting "shift+A" and using the various options found therein.

One other option (which would work in cases like picture 5) is to use door and window surrounds made with plain textures whereby the misalignments "disappear" because of the lack off highly distinguishable texture features (joins etc.). Another option (that would work in say picture ten) is to "cap" low walls with a plain textured brushwork. 

Thanks for your reply Distrans, it made things a little more clear.
In WorldCraft it may be possible to clip textures, but as I am just an antique, hanging on Quark4.07 (yes) I have to find something else. Maybe it is possible in the later version
to clip textures, but I am not familiar with it.

I'll send you the level with email (if you don't mind) You may get a better opinion what is all about. 

how do you clip a texture? 

you may punch this foreigner for his lack of understatement...or his dictionary 

Pics of my Quake SP level in development have just been put up on the pipeline,

http://pipeline.fov120.com/shots.php4

comments welcome ;) 

some nice brushwork there headthump, but the textures seem repeated too often. (and thats coming from me!)

definitely some solid looking brushes tho 

though some better lighting could cover that. 

Hello,

I've just released my first map screenshot previews last evening. I'm working on this map from 1 month. If someone want to have a look.. I know I have to improve my web page: screenshot are very small (It's still missing an enlarge function), and I'm not sure they are not too dark for some PC screen.. Anyway
Thanks for your feedback...

http://lambert.jeanphilippe.free.fr/English/Quake/Quake_uk.htm

PS: Vondur typo error is fixed now ;-))

Bye 

Shame the screens can't be enlarged :( Some do look a bit dark, but I really don't mind dark if it is done well. /Me blushes, You shouldn't have mentioned me on your site,(especially in the company of the others, I am not worthy)I didn't do much to help, but thanks anyway. I am Lenny Lurker, by the way. If/when you need people to playtest your map, I would be only to happy to give it a run through 

At home, screenshots seems good... But at my office, they are very dark. I try to correct this last evening, it seems to be unsucessfull... I will made some modifications this evening, using larger image with a higher brightness... Perhaps it will look less scrappy...
Anyway... If you want to be mentioned using your pseudo, (if you prefer) I can do it.. And if I remember correctly, you gave me some precious indications about TyrLite use... you mailed me the tool as well... so you have your place with the others... no problem...
I expect to finish the map this month... I have to finish the final "battle room", and I have to add monsters... and at the end of the job, I'll post something here to find some players to test the map... expecting a lot of feedback... expecting everybody enjoy the map...
Bye.. 

Looking forward to it.

The screenshot brightness/darkness, may be helped somewhat if the screens themselves were much larger?, well it would be easier to see anyway. I'll keep an eye on your site to see when you update the shots. 

that extends to the ones on the pipeline as well. I was going for a Necropolis E1M3 look with the textures, but I think the bulk of the comments are correct, the map needs a greater variety.

Also, LTH, thanks, that was the kick in the butt I needed to motivate me to delete and reinstall Radiant. Using the surface inspector was causing the program to crash so I was ignoring the alignment problems for now. However, you caught most of the mistakes right off, so its a problem needing immediate attention ;) 

This will be done this evening... Here it's 9h00 AM.. (I'm located in France).. So I have to work the day before modifying anything... :(( ... Anyway... Thanks for your feedback...
Bye... 

eh, a pity the screens are so small and dark i cannot see a thing! lambert, please make them bigger and brighter :)

good u fixed that nasty typo :) 

I know... I have to fix it this evening.... As I said previously, the screen settings seem to have some effects on the screenshot look... At home I don't have any problem... Anyway, this will be fixed near i the future...
Otherwize, do I need to understand that you need "Hubble Space Telescope" to clearly see my screenshot when you ask me about my name "jpl.nasa.gov" ??? Bad joke... ;-)) 

no, just every time i look at your name i think about that nasa's site, that's it. no relation with the screens here :)
this is my every day site, so this is the reason of this association. 

Ok, but this "ugly" association can be done while you see my screenshot... sorry....
Anyway, I really have to improve all my web stuff.. I have a really good screen at home (HP flat screen 17'), so sure that bigger screenshots, with more brightness will be better on both screens..
Bye... 

i can't see anything... 

...were you going to send me the level? 

I sended the level, but got a mail-error.
rar-format wasn't available.

I'll try a zip-format, but as the bsp is 2.5Mb
it will be a grunt in your pillarbox. 

...neither a grunt nor a wimper. I'll give it a look this evening. 

Here's one from UnderWorld, but then the title already excisted...

http://members.home.nl/gimli/Quake03.jpg

Am I exiled now? 

but your brushwork is certainly improving over your previous maps.

still not a fan of the purple bricks, but that's minor. 

Hello,
I've enlarged my previous screenshots... If somone wants to take a look... It's a little bit dark again but it looks better than yesterday..
Enjoy !!! 

I forgot to give the url... sorry

http://lambert.jeanhilippe.free.fr

... 

I need to get off my mitten...

http://lambert.jeanphilippe.free.fr

sorry.... 

this is better.
the map looks rather oldkool with its simplicity. i think it'd be ok map for the first try.
good luck lambert! 

still cant really see anything 

Thanks for your feedback... and for encouraging me as well !!
Sorry for for the current darkness of the map, but I think it comes from your screen settings... (try increasing brightness)....
ASAP the full BSP on-line....
Bye... 

There are several textures on the bottom-right shot that are not aligned. The checkerboard floors are especially noticeable where they meet the pillars on the left - maybe put some trim on the floor to eliminate the fractional checkerboard tiles?

And I think you could do with more light sources in the two screenshots on the right - there seems to be a large fulldark area in the middle of the room.

Also, don't fear putting big screenshots up - most people would be fine with 800x600, I'm sure. 

Yes I've noticed that too, I'm currently working on texture alignements.... these screenshots are only preview, and I hope to correct a max of thing before releasing this map...
Thanks for your feedback...
Bye.. 

So sad whenever JPLambert posts and ends with 'bye'. It always seems like it's his last post ever and he will never come back again :(

Bye. 

i have the same feeling
this 'bye' sounds so...uhm..fatal
but from the other side this is demonstration of proper and long forgotten etiquette ;) 

Hooray! Wait... dammit. 

..and tell eachother....

sorry, forgot to say hello. 

I made the gamma 1.80 for better vieuw
but it won't solve the texture mess.

http://members.lycos.nl/portable/newpage2.html 

Hey men !!! I'm not dead !!! It was just time for me to come back home after a hard day of work... And last evening I had a lot of mapping stuff waiting for me at home... Furthermore, we are both located in different part of the world .... Just note that my last post was done at 18:20 for me (my local hour), and it is noted at 09:21 (forum hour..)... There is "only" 9 hours of difference... Anyway...
I started yesterday to check texture alignement, and yes I found some scrappy one to correct... (Thanks LTH !!! )... I also start to build the final fight room...
I think the next step for me is to finish this map, and allowing on-line download on my web site... with brand new clear screenshots this time.....
Bye.... he he he .... 

http://www.suspenlute.com/stuff/rockyroom.jpg 

looks ok, but the ceiling is a bit flat. you could try making some sort of dome-ish structure on top of it with the same trisoup method? 

actually is made of triangles but I didn't do much with them because WC is gay. I'll make it a little more warped though :) 

I think the whole rocky appearance would look loads better if you used a better rock texture, I recommend looking at the Rune.wad texture set (from rune the game) it has some awesome rock textures in it, check the wad thread here im sure it'll be in there somewhere. 

I wondered if my Lycos site connects, because I didn't get much respond on the load of screenshots I uploaded in post#742 & #728

What would you think of Q1-models like...

http://members.lycos.nl/portable/newpage3.html 

no. the dinosaur skin looks like shit and the orb is not much better off.

if the skins were better, ie: the dinosaur's skin wasn't all mangled in every direction, and orb's colors were so banded (try changing the colors to more suit quake's palette) then maybe. i'd also have to see the animations of the dinosaur for me to decide on it.

did you make those? 

personally i think ORB is pretty cool Madfox, i like it.

Dinosaur not so good, needs to look more realistic i think.
Quite hard to do in Quake.

There was a mod called "raptor" for Quake 1 which had quite good dinosaur models in it, if i remember correctly. 

Are available in Jesse's RDE episode, if nowhere else. :)

http://www.planetquake.com/rde 

Skin-texing isn't my best part. Although I am glad endly to have the Qmle Editor!
Thanks for that one!

I tried to archive the right polycounts to make the model go. Than got caught because I edited the model backwards, and had to start all over again.

Now I am trying to get the skin tex done, but the colours need to be chosen so dimly, I am afraid to get red eyes. It is something with the gamma. Qmle does a fine thing, but it takes patience.
I knew the command would come from this part.

Of course I could lend a model, but that was not my initial goal. I wanted to learn the modelling thing, for it strikes me to see that creatures go...

Thanks for the advice. 

...you backed the model over Than?

Seriously, I think the Orb model is fun, but with some fine animation and some Quakey skin work it might become rather menacing... this is a good thing.

The dinosaur would blow chunks in Quake. 

The Orb goes for The Enforcer
The Dino takes part of The Dog

Can't shoot the dog, sorry. No problem if it is a irrational sprite, same for the grunt.
Made a Skeleton for it, but then there is that compatible error...

Made the models from scratch, but the bouncing box for the Dino got too big, sized like the Shambler(!). And then the health of it makes it a too easy thing (30). 

screenies ( woot )

http://kell.vondur.net/kellblack/ss-kellblack-1.jpg
http://kell.vondur.net/kellblack/ss-kellblack-2.jpg
http://kell.vondur.net/kellblack/ss-kellblack-3.jpg
http://kell.vondur.net/kellblack/ss-kellblack-4.jpg
http://kell.vondur.net/kellblack/ss-kellblack-5.jpg
http://kell.vondur.net/kellblack/ss-kellblack-6.jpg

download ( yay )

http://kell.vondur.net/kellblack/beta-kellblack.zip

Q3A/Q3TA CTF Terrain mappage. All custom tex0riz0red. Looking for feedback on item placement/gametype configuration ( yeah, I know...no-one plays TA anymore :/ ) and possible suggestions/advice on CTF mod configuration.
Or just tell me how nice it looks. Whatever. 

Or just tell me how nice it looks.

really nice :D it reminds me of one of the maps in Uru, actually. but that's going only from the screen shots -- i haven't played it because i don't have q3 installed atm.

although, i'd do without the symbols in the standard font... if you could find another font with more unique symbols, it would look a lot better. 

like the dynamic shadows, cool touch. I hate terrain maps, find them far too open to really enjoy in Quake3, so it won't be helpful to hear my opinions on it's gameplay, but I find it a bit straight forward, not really much for alternate routes. biggest thing that bothers me, but may be fine with players, is that all the trees are nonsolid... shouldn't they at LEAST block shots?

anyway, looks good, it'll most likely be well received by those into terrain maps. 

looks kind of nice, but really needs as much detail as you can pump into it. Rocks, bushes, smaller structures and ruins, etc. This is both for visual interest, and also to break up the large, open areas into smaller spaces where the fighting can be more interesting. Also, i'd like to see more detail on the structures you already have... I do like the "Star Trek set" feeling, but overall the map is too sparse. Maybe with q3 vis, this is as good as you can do without killing framerate, i don't know. 

ok, well, that's not the real name, but i haven't come up with a good one yet.

this is just a 30 minute reskinning here... that's the hellknight's face and body pasted on there... not sure whether i should cover the arms with hknight armor or not.

anyway, opinions:
http://www.planetquake.com/necros/temp/monster_egypt.jpg 

cover the shoulders. and the crystal on the stick looks silly, too bright. other wise looks fine for an egyptian map. 

Definitely cover the shoulders. I think the crystal is fine but should be on a wooden shaft. I also find the blood a lottle gratuitious. 

blood looks cool, keep it.

pushplay, gratitious blood? Were talking about quake here, not Mr.Rogers. :P 

to get it to mix in with the regular quake monsters. it's not going to appear in an egyptian map, hence, the armor and face transplant. i'll see if i can get some shoulders on the sucker. thanks for the comments 

Less is more when it comes to blood and violence. What was more violent: the Reservoir Dogs ear scene that was out of frame, or the buckets of blood in Kill Bill? The latter was stylish, but it wasn't as gruesome. 

good looking skin job there -- he looks like a real bruiser 

I am in the middle of watching Jackie Brown for the second time this week. I watched pulp fiction + jackie brown + kill bill all last monday. It owned so hard! <3 tarintino forever. 

I'll give you a hint. It is on Bridget Fonda's bodice. 

but it's the model's fault, not yours necros. :P 

scampie: alternate routes - upper and lower :P yeah, it's a default CTF s-bend layout. It's my first terrain map and the easiest way to do it. Re: the trees - they definatelt shouldn't block movement, but blocking shots...hmm. Perhaps. It would make attacking flag-carriers who choose the lower route across the valley floor harder to snipe from on-high, forcing defenders to intercept at ground level. Might be a good call. Will add wepclip and see.

metl: I would like to have more detail, I really would. But this is Q3CTF and the framerate is already low what with all the trees and pillars. The terrain could maybe be more 'crinkly' at a lower level of detail to provide more nooks and crannies, but bot movement is also an issue. I'll take a look around and see where I can modify the heightmap without crumpling the whole map up like an old receipt.

thx for feedback 

necros: bah, I like the Quake font - no-one else uses it, so I do ^_^ and it looks like pseudo-classical, same as the architecture in the map.










I'm a goth. It's incurable. 

i thought it was the truetype symbol font that comes with windows... it certainly looks like it with the greek letters.

anyway, it's not a big deal... i played the map with some bots and i didn't really notice them too much.
the maps looks really good in action, actually.

as someone who likes the railgun, i enjoyed the gameplay of the map with all the longrange shooting, but for someone who doesn't like it, they may not enjoy the map as much... if you were to add more cover in the central area and maybe some inside areas would help that?

remember though, i don't know much about dm gameplay, so take what i said with some salt, eh? :) 

It is easier to lend a model, than actually make one of your own.
And those vertices keep freaking around.

http://members.lycos.nl/portable/newpage3.html 

baby zombies? :)

the skeleton model looks like it's going to be a pain in the ass to skin...

the frame that it's on right now looks a little... wooden, like it's constipated or something... make the arms hang to the side in a more relaxed fashion, make it look more natural. how would a reanimated skeleton that can tear your eyes out look? 

That is, because the poor thing was running for hell while I made the screenshot.
I made a Qmle-pic. Q1 player models sets on 408 vertices, I am already on 831.
http://members.lycos.nl/portable/newpage3.html
And it ain't has a weapon yet... 

I'm going to focus on vertical fighting for this one.

http://quake.phait-accompli.com/crap/ph8dm2-a.jpg 

just becareful with those vertices... the regular glquake limit is 1024 and the software quake limit is 2000. if you go over the limit, the game crashes... :( 

phait: that isnt a wall texture. it looks weird 

it's fine as a wall texture if you add more details like columns or whatever to break up the space.

also, wtf you want more vertical fighting and you show a half finished flat room? get more done before you start showing things most people do in 15 mins of mapping. 

...me Bones are too small... 

but, rooms like that take me hours to build!
scampie: dont hate on the dude just because im the only one slower than he is 

Scampie has a good point, I just haven't mapped since PH8DM1 and got happy. 

I'm a goth

That's sooooooooooooooooo un-gothy :p 

you can't be goth and call yourself goth,

thats like... calling yourself cool
it just doesnt work!!!


oh btw I was noodling in the farcry editor

http://www.jesselawrence.com/images/warf.jpg
its fun, but its simple... aint much you can make besides a tropical paradise 

Surely that should be a good challenge for mappers to rise to. I'm sure there's stuff in the game you could dig up... 

crdm3 - mechanical storm

http://www.planetquake.com/dazdranz/ 

now finish it! 

Looks dark and oppressive. Go finish it.

BTW, don't forget TNJ, either. 

wow! ... wow! dude, i really like it! :) too bad it's dm though. ;)

what ever happened to your lunmet/lundoom sp map? i was looking forward to that one. 

TNJ will be finished, shutup RPG!

lunmet/Lundoom sp map : might be finished 1 day, un-likely though :) 

Need any help with TNJ dare I ask? :S 

time is a luxury I dont have atm, so if anyone wants to help in the completion of TNJ with me & teh Troyn-meister then they are very welcome.

Im thinking of re-naming the pack to "SHUT UP RPG 2". What do you think? :) 

I like the red contrast. Had a hard time finding the off-white link in the white text though. 

looks really nice, especially I liked the first screenshot 

Looks very, very nice, can't wait 

looks like a mash of random architectual features crammed into a small space with unaligned textures and horrible lighting. 

you just have to be different, don't use scampie? :D

admittedly, the textures do look a little "messy", but i love the architecture... perhaps a bit of reworking of the textures might increase the goodness? 

don't use scampie

I think most people would agree there ;) 

...will the 'omage to "Qmap" stay in the final release? 

Good question =)

I think I'll leave it as is. 

msn :P 

Im thinking of re-naming the pack to "SHUT UP RPG 2". What do you think? :)

Good idea. :D 

"SHUT UP RPG, FFS"

I mean, all sequels need a subtitle these days :P 

crdm3 lookin' good; textures are a little confused, but the brushwork owns me any day of the week.

Incidentally, you misspelled incidentally 

As a co-author of SM32, I forbid you all to make a sequel to it without either the consent of Andrew "than" Palmer, or his authorship.

...But "Shut Up RPG FFS!" would indeed be the prefered title. 

well, its either that or "FFS, BAL > GO MAP!"

I'll have to have a look at the textures, I take it you talking about the grey panelled wall texture that is used quite a bit? The texture with all the grit and pr00t on it? 

Hello,
After a restart from scratch of my first map (not yet released... I'm so sorry....) I've updated screenshots on my Quake page located at http://lambert.jeanphilippe.free.fr/ ...
So, what's your impressions ???
Enjoy (I hope...) 

 

 

For a first map its not looking to bad at all.

In the first screenshot you are using the same texture on the floor & ceiling, this can look wrong in most cases, I would suggest putting a different texture on the ceiling.

I like the lighting overall, but you do have a few dark boring places in some of the screenshots, try adding some light sources/spotlights or something to liven it up a little.

Keep on mapping! :) 

Thanks for encouraging me and give me some advices... There are not yet monsters, and I would like dark places you mentioned to add monsters (in the future...)
About lighting, a great thanks to aguirRe who helps me a lot for this stuff...
Bye.. 

 

 

Patterns are important but that much symmetry makes for a bad map. 

I think I was hungover when I said it. 

Where's H-Hour's article on counterpoints again? 

http://www.notthisway.com/writing/counterpoint.shtml 

beta download(4.something mb): http://www.fileplanet.com/dl.aspx?/planetquake/eggman/shortfusedbeta.zip

screenshots:
http://www.planetquake.com/eggman/mapshots/sfpro1.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/eggman/mapshots/sfpro2.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/eggman/mapshots/sfpro3.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/eggman/mapshots/sfpro4.jpg 

oh yeah the map is a medium-large DM map for 6-12 people with assymetrical ctf support. 

I may release a beta soon myself, so I'd like to earn some good karma here. :D

Overall I liked the map. Very sprawling, kinda hard to get a sense of the layout. I don't see any way to get to the penned off area on top of the building or the rooms just below that without a rocket jump. I don't much care for that myself, but that's a personal choice.

http://www.cursesandepithets.com/quake3/shortfuse/shot0000.jpg
Room with the lg. If you look to the right at the red beam of light there's some z-fighting, which of course never shows up well in a screenshot. That's the only instance I found, and that sort of thing tends to catch my eye.

http://www.cursesandepithets.com/quake3/shortfuse/shot0001.jpg
You have all this great rock formation throughout the map, and then you have this lame platform here. It wouldn't be so noticable if it didn't stand in such a contrast. Make the rest of your map suck more, make this area look more rocky, or better yet choose a metal texture.

http://www.cursesandepithets.com/quake3/shortfuse/shot0002.jpg
You have this dead-end in a cave with only two itty-bitty pickups to make it worth your while. More over they're kinda hard to get to. If I was playing I'd be pissed off I'd bothered to go this way. I always like crystals though. Great shader on your's.

http://www.cursesandepithets.com/quake3/shortfuse/shot0003.jpg
I like that a lot.

http://www.cursesandepithets.com/quake3/shortfuse/shot0005.jpg
http://www.cursesandepithets.com/quake3/shortfuse/shot0004.jpg
I was able to rocket jump into this crevice and had trouble getting out. It looked like there should be something of interest over there.

http://www.cursesandepithets.com/quake3/shortfuse/shot0006.jpg
Come on, that's just lazy.

I also thought the quad was overly hard to get to. My personal feeling is that the best players have enough of an advantage in a map without intentionally trying to tilt the map in their favour.

Great work over all. 

thx a ton for the detailed feedback pushplay.

the deadend cave, my intention was having greedy players go into the deadend for extra health and armor, get caught and obliterated. maybe ill up the reward for that risk.

the quad trap thing is me adhering to the guidelines for hte burial-grounds mapping competition, i agree with you, but im trying to win an ipod mini :)

you caught me with reference to that lazy corridor and rock platform, sometimes you skip ahead to finish off the remainders. ill try to make the detailing more consistent in those spots. i still have a 2nd round of crate distribution and other details in mind to fill those voids.

by any chance did you observe a seam where the skybox meets? or is that just an artifact on my vid card? 

I said I'd enter the burial grounds contest and I have a map almost done, but it's not the sort of thing they're looking for. Oh well. I think they want something that's specifically a trap, and not just a tricky maneuver.

The thick black outline on the skybox is actually correct, ironically. The geforce opengl driver is supposed to clamp some value but doesn't which makes the skybox look as intended. The ati drivers get something right for once, which unfortunately causes the box. It would be nice if q3 was patched to fix it or the ati drivers autodetected q3 and compensated. 

That's looking much better than before !! Better screenshots to ;)
That same texture for floor and ceiling in shot 1 does look a bit funny, as Daz said.
Keep at it. 

'Come on, that's just lazy. '

Do you mean it looks a bit auto-brushed?

http://www.cursesandepithets.com/q...

I agree with you there. That is some very convincing brushwork in that picture. 

Hello,
I've noticed that too after Daz comments.. This is changed now... Screenshots will be updated as soon as possible..
Bye... 

I just meant it was a cookie-cutter hallway that could have come from one of a billion maps. 

First screenshot updated !!
PS: All others part with floor and ceiling with same texture are also modified: thanks for the advice... it looks better now
Enjoy !!! 

Yes, that looks much better than it did with the same texture as the floor.

Here is something that may be of interest to you, when you get time, have a look at this tutorial from xenon,(if you haven't seen it already)

http://xen.quakepit.com/tut1.htm

It may give you some ideas, or get you thinking more/differently about how you go about things. You may or maynot be able to implement the ideas in your current project, but it is good to keep this sort of thing in mind.

I'm glad to see that you are keeping at it, good on you. 

You can run q3map2 (the latest version) with the -skyfix switch to fix the black skybox border on ati cards. 

balance is the basis of design harmony. Balance and symmetry are not the same - ( see: The Golden Section )

inertia: you mispelt both those words. Is that supposed to be irony? 

Thanks for the link, it really interesting to have an overview how to modify a hall in order to improve its quality...
Bye... 

Thanks, I'll use that from now on. It still looks the same on geforce, right? 

In the first shot:

Flat ceilings in large rooms are a design no no. No offence, but this room reminds me of something from Wolfenstein (the original). Consider a recessed ceiling.

The sides of the sarcophagi don't gel with the tops, I believe there is a sarco "side" texture available from the DoE set that matches the tops you are using.

In the second shot:

The "rock" walls are too clean/square, natural caverns do not have such perfect geometry. Try messing 'em up a bit and maybe introducing some outcroppings in a different but complementary texture. (I made a similar "mistake" in my first level, but was saved by the small size of the area concerned...your huge cavern will be very unforgiving in this respect)

In the third shot:

This also looks a little too "clean". Just a few brushes (to break up the lines) can make all the difference. Does jumping down the well get you to pic 4?

In the forth shot:

I actually like the lighting effect quite a bit. Once more though, perhaps a rail around the columns would break up the plain ceiling.

Otherwise, keep it going... I'm craving a good temple level. 

Time for a full-scale pimp of my upcoming debut map:

http://photopile.com/photos/sloochyslooch/auctions/112129.jpg

http://photopile.com/photos/sloochyslooch/auctions/112130.jpg

http://photopile.com/photos/sloochyslooch/auctions/112131.jpg

http://photopile.com/photos/sloochyslooch/auctions/112132.jpg

http://photopile.com/photos/sloochyslooch/auctions/112133.jpg

http://photopile.com/photos/sloochyslooch/auctions/112155.jpg

http://photopile.com/photos/sloochyslooch/auctions/112156.jpg

Quake 1 single player; new monsters, Q2 weapons; compatible with all engines.

The first of many, I hope :) 

Do those weapons have the changeover/reload time of the ones used in Q2 also? One of the game's major flaws imho. 

changeover time is halved from q2 - i have kept the "weapon up" anim, but "weapon down" has been dropped in default mode.

I plan to support 4 weapon modes in my SP mod (dubbed "Total Slaughter" of which BotU is the first map):

Q2 Enhanced (Default) - weapon up but no weapon down.
Q2 Classic - weapon up and down.
Q2 Instant - instant switching like Q1.
Classic - classic Q1 guns.

Some weapons may not be in though - the railgun doesn't really sit with the Quake 1 feel imo, and i haven't even begun on the BFG. Hyperblaster is currently a plasmagun but i may change it to a nailgun for a "grittier" feel. 

lighting looks very washed out, could be a lot lot more moodier. 

Kinn: I'd suggest not releasing a map with models and textures that aren't legal for distribution. The textures could be overlooked, and normally are... but when you start grabbing models as well... well, that's just asking for a letter from id's legal department.

The map looks decent enough, rather dull architecture in my opinion, q3gothic needs a ton of details to look cool. Agree with nitin's comment about the lighting. Not fond of colored lights in q1 maps, but that's your choice. Sounds like you're looking to keep things cross engine and such, which gains you points in my book, as I'd be playing in standard glquake only.

I will say, it looks like you have ambition to spare and that map looks a hell a lot better than most people's first map. Hope to see it do well and be a fun map. 

'The textures could be overlooked, and normally are... but when you start grabbing models as well... well, that's just asking for a letter from id's legal department'

There are custom made versions of the standard weapons from Quake 3 and UnReal2. One guy had a site booth at last year's QuakeCon. I remember that they looked pretty nice but I don't remember the name of the mod. 

http://www.cursesandepithets.com/quake3/pushscb1.pk3 (5megs ish)

This is my first q3 map, but I'd really like this to be a good map. I'd appreciate a lot of feedback on what I can do better and what I did right. The more specific the better. :) 

I'll try to take a look tonight. 

i don't get it...

is this a q2 map for quake2 with monsters from q1 ported over or is this q1 with q2 weapons ported over?

what engines?

what's going on! i'm confused!

the map looks cool though 

from what he said, its a q1 map with q2 weapons. 

Hello, thanks for your comments..

As I said, these screenshots are previews... so even if comments are not good, I take them into account to improve map quality... Don't be afraid, I'm not offenced if someone doesn't like my work... while good advices are given....

About the first screenshot, it's true, sarcophage textures doesn't match with the top... because I only have the top texture, and not the side.. I haven't find it yet... grrr...

About the second screenshot, I have not added yet some brushes to break the clean rock look... I'm still working on it...

For the third screenshot, that's the same... sorry..

For the fourth screenshot, yes, this is the arrival of the well (see third screenshot)... a little swim in lava naver kill the player unless he misses the pentagram ;-)) he he he ...

Anyway, I will made another screenshots release in a near future.... trying to improve map look quality...

Thanks again...

Bye 

Necros, this is a Q1 map which uses a number of md2 models (including weapons) converted to mdl. About the legality of it - yes, I feared it might be a bit dodgy, but I ploughed on regardless (I was having too much fun!) At the end of the day, if it's too risky I will remove the Quake2 models rather than risk upsetting id. A shame really, because it was always my grand vision to create a sort of hybrid between all three Quakes.

As mentioned before, I have gone to some lengths to make sure this will work in all engines, even good old WinQuake. Screenshots were taken in DarkPlaces, and that uses the actual md2 weaponmodels, along with coloured lighting, and some custom sprite effects (made by me so they can stay!).

Monster count is huge (around 250) but to ensure no risk of max edicts in standard quake, most monsters are spawned on the fly, according to player progression via my own "gang spawner" QC code, which uses a single entity to spawn whole groups of monsters into the level in various spatial distributions. (eg. - you can place a single entity in the map that says "when triggered - spawn X fiends, Y hellknights, Z shamblers D units apart, in ranks of R, starting from this point" and so on... I have also set up special triggers that purge monster corpses from previously cleared areas, as well as numerous other misc. edict-minimising QC changes.

About the lighting - if the outside areas appear washed out, then i may lower the sky light value. As for the rest of the map - I am using my own modified version of Tyrlite, which mimics a kind of radiosity effect. Every single light is placed with this attenuation in mind, so it's far too late to change the indoor areas - besides I personally think they look great (which is what matters, after all ;) ).

re: Scampie's comment about the architecture - if some areas appear plain, that's hopefully balanced by the vastness of it all - nearly 6000 brushes and counting!

I am taking the legality issue very seriously, and that may delay the map as I rethink the item/monster placement to reflect the changes. 

(around 250)
just because of that, i now really want to play this map!

also, don't worry about brushes, you've still got lots more to go before any serious problems arise.

i'm also intrigued by your solution to edict problems and gang monster spawning! i never thought of letter qc take care of the positioning of the monsters at spawn time! :D 

necros, in a nutshell, gang spawners are quite complicated, but the main idea is as follows:

i have given all known monster types a bitflag reference, eg. knight = 1, ogre = 2, scrag = 4, hellknight = 8,

etc etc.

work out the sum of the bitflags for each monster type present in the gang and put it in a field (eg. i use

".items2") this tells the gang spawner what monsters it contains, and to do the necessary precaches. monsters

are also ranked in a "placing order" which dictates where each monster type appears in the gang.

you specify the total no. of monsters present, and you can optionally fix the numbers of up to four unique types

in a gang - the rest are allocated in equal numbers.

next i have a series of fields that describes the geometrical shape of the gang - rank/file, spacing, height

offsets, radial, vertical (good for scrags!) face inward/outward/forward etc. etc. (there's a lot to play

around with here!)

loads of spawnflags are available - (spawn angry, no tfog, no droptofloor - to name but a few)

obviously to make this all work, i had to write code that enables monsters to be spawned dynamically, rather

than just at the start.

hope that's given you something to think about - i'll never forget the feeling on my first successful test of

this - pressing a button and watching an army of 100 knights spring into existence, all in perfect formation!

couple this with corpse-removal code, archvile-type monsters and things and you've the basis for a very unique game experience :) 

oh, crap - sorry for the formatting on that last post. 

Impressive stuff, though you are quite likely to be sent a polite mail from Tod H. because you are using both Q2 model and Q3 texture content. Shame.

But your architecture looks good. As mentioned above, the lighting is on the bland side which isn't helped by the low detail or texture trim/variation. But it's still solid Quakelicious mappage.
And custom qc as well? Scampie's right, you are ambitious. Good to see this sort of dedication in the community.
Overall, looks like you're going to make a more than competent debut.


Your name is also curiously similar to mine :/ 

ok, i'm going to retire my pimp hat for a while, as i'm running the risk of overhyping this.

i very much appreciate everyone's crits/comments - i will look into improving the lighting and it looks like i'm going to have to say goodbye to my lovely Q2 arsenal. the Q3 textures are here to stay though - as many people have got away with that in the past ;)

headthump - thanks for the weapons suggestion, but i will probably go back to the good ol' classic quake guns.

kell, our names are similar :) - mine's short for Kinnschmerzen, which is german for "chin ache" ;) 

very nice map you got going there. everything is clean and put together well. the texture choices are sharp and the theme is executed nicely. that ankh shaped mirror is really cool the placement makes me think there is another path there instead of a mirror. excellent sky color too.

here go my suggestions:

-the map fits sort of an ancient ruins theme, however it is in pristine condition, i'd like to see some broken tiles, pillars, supports, exposed dirt/sand etc scattered around a bit.

-also i was thinking you should add some 6-12 unit thick circular details like handrails or something to that effect, just to bring some of the large architecture down to scale with the models sizes. right now i just feel a bit too small in that map in relation to some architecture.

-i feel the blue lighting color is too strong, try desaturating and darkening it a bit and see how it looks.

-maybe a nice mapobject or two from here http://fps.brainerd.net/mapmodeltext.htm

ill shuttup now, cool map man. 

pushplay's comment the other day made me remember I said I'm make a map for that burial grounds contest... not sure I'll finish, but here's 2 nights of mapping... deadline is 'before sunday'... :D

(monday)
http://scampie.spawnpoint.org/screens/bgmap_1.jpg
(tuesday)
http://scampie.spawnpoint.org/screens/bgmap_2.jpg
http://scampie.spawnpoint.org/screens/bgmap_3.jpg 

ill shuttup now
No! The more comments the better. Thanks.

I'm a little bit down on decay and magic cause I think they've been done. You'll notice I chose a shader-free jumppad. I think I will throw some more sand around though, and the hand rails is an excellent idea. I'll desaturate the large blue lights too.

The big wooden thingy(?) that circles the centre room connects to the wall in two different ways. One side is done with brushes and looks ok, the other side is done with meshes and looks great except for cracks on the inside bends which I can't get rid of. Got any opinions on that section?

Scampie: looks like a good start. If you crank out a good map by Sunday I'll be helluva impressed. 

dude, i like what you have so far! i'm guessing that's q3 judging by the presence of nodraw textures... that would make a cool looking q1sp! :P

i want to check this out when it's done, even though it's q3dm. wicked dude! 

I know I said I'd comment but unfortunately a whole buttload of stuff has been dumped upon me. Some quick comments after a brief runabout though :

I'm with eggman on the lighting, too strong and needs to be implemented better.

Texturng and detailing are good in general but perhaps break up the monotonous color tone by mixing the grye brick textures with the yellow brick ones.

Layout wise, cant comment too muche xcept that it felt odd in scale. Too cramped in some areas and a little too big in others.

I got noticeable slowdowns in some areas. I'm no mapper but it seemed as if stuff was being drawn even when not in view. Have you hinted this fully?

Overall, I'd say it's fairly solid on first impressions but I dont know if this is really going to be appreciated by the BG people. From their mappacks, it looks like they're after heavily themed maps that suggest a sense of place. Whilst, this is a pretty solid map, it does seemlike another egyptian textured DM arena rather than a proper egyptian place.

anyway, just my $0.02. If I get some time, Iwill try to offer more detailed feedback. 

Do you mean the large blue lights or the lighting as a whole? Can you be more specific?

Maybe I should mix the yellows and greys together.

I've barely hinted the map, I thought that was vis' problem. Is that something I should be looking in to, or will the final vis do an adequate job? 

http://www.planetquake.com/necros/ne_doom2.jpg

knave textures, never tried those before. 

sorry in advance for the quick response, dont have much time.

I meant the large blue lights mainly but you could have some really funky shadows etc given some of your roof architecture and the new features of q3map2.

As for hinting, like I said I'm no mapper, but from what I understand, hinting is very useful and quite important to keeping FPS up. I'm sure some of the people here can help you out.

As for pure technical ffedback, post over at Q3W, could get some useful answers there. 

that is the most bizarre screenshot I have ever seen 

That is so... Lovecraftian. 

looks ..wonderfully twisted.

make it twisted. like the tree-like thing in the middle of the screenshot, on which i really like that deep dark red color. 

necros: you truly have a florid imagination :)

Kinn: are you taking the piss? :P 

no, i'm not taking the piss. it looks to me just like the sort of mix of arcane architecture and alien wierdness that HPL would describe.

although i think the overhanging curve thingies might look better joining at the middle perhaps, like ribs joining a spinal column. 

http://scampie.spawnpoint.org/screens/bgmap_4.jpg
http://scampie.spawnpoint.org/screens/bgmap_5.jpg
http://scampie.spawnpoint.org/screens/bgmap_6.jpg

not going to make the deadline, but here's things lit up a bit. 

What custom engine is that? Is it Fuhquake? And will it be a single player map? 

It's John Carmack's Quake 3D engine or something like that. It's botmatch. 

Gotta love those textures! finish it scampie :D 

I like that scampie, but I think the lightcasts would look better red. 

there's enough red lighting, a little dab'll do ya. 

Nice, quite impressive. It even looks like a BG map. 

On those Head Hunter 3 textures, it looks really sweet (not in a pinko commie way, but in Ferrari sort of way). 

Looks nice scamp, although the support pillars for the walkway in the first shot look too flimsy. How about making them thicker (and Y shaped single supports to avoid the tiny gap left in between two thicker pillars) 

I need some betatesters for my new Q1SP map. Everyone interested mail me at pulsar_2001 -=at=- mail -=dot=- ru for more info and download link. 

Hey, nice looking map you have there. You always seem to have funky big cool looking maps.
Just a comment though: I'm not too keen on the repitition of the hexen2(?) brick runnign around the back edge. Though this could just be because I used it quite a lot :)

The organic looking stuff is tres tres great. 

did you get my mail?