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ZER JAM 
New Ogre Model 
Please check out my new Quake Ogre model.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1eGMYlL_NY

You can download it here:

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/models/Ogre.zip

You're welcome to use it for your mods, just please give me credit.

Thanks

Chillo 
 
Thats pretty good Chillio.

I like his hunched over stance

Do you have any other Quake models you are working on or plan to work on? 
@Chillo 
very nice Chillo!!

I like it! ..I´m using it in my standard setup. Do yuo also have a second skin? so that it can be used in mods like AD? 
New Ogre Model 
and the decap + decapb animations! ;-) 
Ogre Model 
Not yet, but I would definitely like to see him implemented in Arcane Dimensions!

I can certainly add the extra skin and animations to him for AD. 
@mukor 
I'm not currently working on any, but I plan to make a new knight and scrag in the near future. 
New Ogre Model --> AD 
Sock is planning a final update for Arcane Dimensions for the end of October!

https://twitter.com/SimsOCallaghan/status/914248973103353856 
Thanks, Icaro. 
I let him know that I was interested.

I just fixed the model a little more and re-uploaded it:
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/models/Ogre_2.zip

Here's a screenshot:
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/models/ogre.jpg

Thanks! 
 
The animations seem a bit... energetic. Stuff like the swing attack at 0:13 happen very quickly.

Otherwise a pretty nice model :) 
Yeah 
The model looks good, but some of the animations seem a bit floaty (feels like he's sliding on the ground), or too exaggerated. 
My SP Map Finally Finished 
Release coming in the next few days!

Screenshot 
 
spooooky 
 
early stages, sourcing and reading up on real castles and what rooms they had.

this is modeled around Kitchen Old Hall Gainsborough

https://imgur.com/a/IJyaQ

hoping just to sink a few months into a big big castle, man these surface lights are awesome, just deciding how they should be balanced for use with both sides, would i be right in thinking i need to put in a sun angle, and use that angle for the surface of the windows too, and then make a new texture that wont be effected by surface lights to put on the exterior windows? 
Dude Awesome 
back in like 1997 i wanted to make a castle map based on this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_Gaillard#/media/File:Siege.Chateau.Gaillard.png

so even Masque, not finished until overhauled/remade 8 years later, was a compromise. I actually think this would be doable today, not exactly like that with the siege towers, river and fields (lol) but with the top level of the castle, a bit of terrain and a good skybox. 
Nice Plan Stabs. 
 
Not That You Need Reminding Tronyn, But Bsp2...ya You Could Fields 
 
QUMP First Release Candidate. 
QUMP - the Quake Upstart Mapping Project, is finally released!
10 months in the making, QUMP includes 8 Brand new maps, mostly by people who had never made a quake map before.

GET QUMP HERE:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/p8r3d4k38fmkmrd/qump.zip

Screenshot: https://imgur.com/84GuWho

QUMP is designed to run in quakespasm or darkplaces, although quakespasm is recommended.

MAPS INCLUDED:

Beginning - Pritchard
Citadel of Suffering - Topher
Manchester's Leftovers - Daya
Start Map - NewHouse
Stygian Waterways - Vingal
Sunken Cathedral - HexenMapper
The Dog Prison - Kres
The Three Towers of Tremendous Terror and Turmoil - Brassbite
The Real /vr/ Experience - Spud (Secret Map)

Special thanks to NewHouse for all his help with this project, and to func_msgboard for answering our questions 
QUMP RELEASED! 
QUMP - the Quake Upstart Mapping Project, is finally released!
10 months in the making, QUMP includes 8 Brand new maps, mostly by people who had never made a quake map before.

GET QUMP HERE: (currently 1.0 version)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/p8r3d4k38fmkmrd/qump.zip

Screenshot: https://imgur.com/84GuWho

QUMP is designed to run in quakespasm or darkplaces, although quakespasm is recommended.

MAPS INCLUDED:

Beginning - Pritchard
Citadel of Suffering - Topher
Manchester's Leftovers - Daya
Start Map - NewHouse
Stygian Waterways - Vingal
Sunken Cathedral - HexenMapper
The Dog Prison - Kres
The Three Towers of Tremendous Terror and Turmoil - Brassbite
The Real /vr/ Experience - Spud (Secret Map)

Special thanks to NewHouse for all his help with this project, and to func_msgboard for answering our questions 
Congratulations!! 
Can't wait to check this out! 
 
Seems like first bug is found. Brassbites entrance looks the wrong file "brassbite1", and gives an error to the console. That will be fixed in a day and link will get updated. 
Ayyy 
i forgot i was in this. Good to see it finally release, I'll have to download it and check out everyone's (probably much better) maps. 
 
Updated minor QUMP bug, link is the same. current version now qumpBeta2

Some Screenshots:
https://imgur.com/a/dpoTi 
Chillo 
nice ogre model! 
 
Looks Like Shit 
 
Anonymous Coward 
Instead of just saying the IP of the anon when the post, I propose we adopt the /. "Anonymous Coward" followed by the IP address.

It would certainly be fitting for posts like these. 
Or 
just fucking ignore them so we don't have to read stupid "i hate anon posts" every fucking day.

We get it. Ignore and move on. 
Every Day Posts 
Last I checked it wasn't that frequent.

Consider ignoring and moving on next time you feel like slagging off on a post trying to support a content creator in our community.

p.s. I think I'm pretty out of the loop on what those screenshots actually... are? They look neat but they also don't look particularly like any Quake I'm familiar with. Is it some kind of fighting/brawler mod? 
Daz Confirmed For Anon Poster 
 
 
Fucked up if truu m8 
Sigh 
@DaZ - unusually salty response from you

@Pritchard Is it some kind of fighting/brawler mod?

This took some real digging (on Mankrip's Twitter feed!) I actually think it's pretty neat when you see the video in action. Not my type of game but still cool enough to check out.

https://twitter.com/mankrip/status/920581309478686721

@Mankrip Please 'splain more next time. :) 
I Actually Laughed 
I was obviously trolling in my URL description, so the anon's reaction was appropriate.

And it does indeed look somewhat bad by today's Quake mod standards; it was made around 2004 IIRC, and the maps were very poorly detailed because that mod was initially developed for the Sega Dreamcast ports of Quake.

Pritchard: It's The Ascension of Vigil. Pretty fun mod, never finished, and the latest versions only runs properly on Darkplaces. 
Sorry Pritchard 
had a voreling up my arse or something this morning :/ 
Daz. 
Pics or it didn;t happen. This is SS & B after all.... 
 
A cursory search revealed no easy way to get TAoV anymore, so I decided to upload it to Quaketastic. Hopefully that's okay and hopefully I put it in the right place.

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/mods/TAoV.rar 
Lol 
I actually just went thru the hassle of finding it myself. I want those skeleton guys! So thanks!

Looks like super smash quake or street quaker or maybe even golden quake axe. 
@mankrip 
I was obviously trolling in my URL description, so the anon's reaction was appropriate.

I didn't take your link as trolling at all. I just thought you were talking about the modding flexibility of Quake and that you could make a groovy little fighting game. 
Dumptruck_ds 
Well, Quake was never about being little, and its modding flexibility isn't all that the game is about. But thanks. 
Producing Pestiferous Peoples To Plague The Player 
afflicted animation/lighting test
model
retopo
sculpt
concept art
sprite version

bonus: scrapped deformvertexes shader stuff - I like the undulating effect, it makes the purulent masses look volatile. Sadly, I couldn't find a way to keep the outer vertices of the boils attached to the body mesh thus avoiding the clipping so I ditched the idea entirely. Not a huge loss, the effect is so minor I doubt it would even be noticed during gameplay.

I'm not crazy about the model and it wasn't fun to make. It still needs a lot of work but I'm happy to have the bulk of it behind me. Now on to more interesting enemies... 
Looking Bad Good 
You put a lot of work in it. It's quiet a challenge to create a model from scratch, but it sure comes out right.

While working on a new model it is hard to keep a fresh vieuw on it. Hardest part for me is painting the skin file.

Would be fun to see it in game, maybe like a Rune greenish sprite of bad smoke. 
Yeah Nice One Killpixel. 
Got an authentic Northern Britain skin care regime look there. 
Killpixel 
I really like the super deformed concept art, any reason you didn't go with this idea? 
Doot 
@madfox - Thanks, and you're right, it's pretty challenging. I don't think the hardest part for me is the painting, it's probably the rigging... or the retopology.... or the weight painting... or the overwhelming feeling that I'm fucking up throughout the entire production of the model. eh, it all sucks IMO :P

@shambler - I don't know what that regime is and I don't want to (maybe a little... drugs?).

@fifth - short answer: a mistake on my part rooted in lack of experience and the desire for the model to read well in-game.

long answer: original tests (with sprites) taught me that the thin, mangled and busy form of the original afflicted just didn't read nearly as well as the bulky, simple enemies from games of yore example so I simplified the sprite (see my previous post). That line of thinking carried over to the models. I'm not happy with the afflicted and will redo it at a later time and make it more interesting and grotesque. The current one is adequate for dev, so I'll be using it for a while. 
Weight Painting 
First have to make disasters
before one can judge the favorite one. 
Lol 
Weight painting sucks.
Rigging sucks.
Retopo sucks (I generally just avoid it but then again I don't sculpt much).
Animating a poorly retopoed, poorly rigged, poorly weighted model sucks.

Animating one that is mostly kinda sorta ok is fun though!

Good luck, looking pretty good. As for redoing later, you could maybe just swell up a shoulder or something else simple. 
WIP Shots From The Potentially My First Published Map 
https://i.imgur.com/GMD9KEM.png
https://i.imgur.com/m9z33ML.png
https://i.imgur.com/9lgDi0r.png
https://i.imgur.com/AcEqt0y.png
https://i.imgur.com/AHv0DYi.png

Inspired by the works of Tsutomu Nihei and brutalist architecture, the map is focused on exploration (especially vertical) and puzzle than combat. Monsters rather serve as frictions to both elements. It's using Quoth.

I hope I can release a beta version next month. 
 
Looks cool! 
 
Very different, will look forward to seeing more. 
@sunk 
Ummm wow. Looking great so far and very unique. 
Demos Of Bod, Spy's Map 
I uploaded some demos of my first four attempts (actually, demo 4 was my fifth attempt; I just had died so soon in my fourth attempt that I hadn't started recording yet).

http://quaketastic.com/files/demos/bod_esrael.7z

My comments are in the demos, where I comment the lighting as much as possible, as requested by Spy.

I hadn't expected a huge map with over 300 kills, so I guess I'll record more demos and finish the map when I have some more time. And I guess I gotta swallow my pride and quicksave/load. :C 
Sunk 
damn son :)

Looking forward to playing it! 
Sunk 
Looks very interesting especially the tall stuff with nice neat textures. Keep it going man. 
Le Grunt 
fallen mercenary WIP. Had to pump out one more guy before moving on to more interesting stuff...

@qmaster - it's getting easier...

@sunk - looks cool! 
@Esrael 
Thank you Esrael for your demos, i'll make a corretions.

while watching the demos and comments it's makes me realize that you haven't played kinn's huge masterpieces bastion and marcher, the most significant releases of 2000'

so i strongly recomend you to play them,
bod uses the very same assets from kinn's mod

looking forward for your next demos
maybe i should post the updated link 
@spy 
I sent you an email with demos and a full report. Hope it helps. When this is released I know people are going to love it. 
@dumptruck_ds 
Thanks For The Update, Spy 
I've done my fifth playthrough now, only this time with the updated map. I died during the second to last arena, so when I quicksaved, I didn't know it stopped recording the demo. It means that there is no demo of me finishing the rest of the map, so I'll just type here the comments that I had made during the last part of my playthough.

The demo is here:
http://quaketastic.com/files/demos/bod_esrael5.7z

There was a point where the map told the player with a direct message to watch his/her step, which is fine in the sense that it spared me from a surprise death. But, I would prefer if there were some indirect clues that made it clear for the player to watch his/her step. Just telling it by a message is the easy way out.

The second to last arena had the player face hordes of a single enemy type, which meant that sometimes the player had plenty of room to just easily walk around to dodge the enemies while taking them out one by one. Especially the scrags were too easy. Maybe a mix of monsters would keep the encounter more engaging? Like some ogres or fiends to keep the player occupied on the ground as well?

Otherwise the map looks really nice and if the lighting used to be bland, it definitely is no more, in my opinion. The ammo balance was a lot better for me this time, and even if the map is long, it didn't feel dragged out to me. There was enough variation to keep things interesting; even a little bit of platforming to change the pace a bit, which was nice.

In the end, I had fun, which is what matters. 
New Enforcer 
Everybody,

Please check out my new enforcer model:
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/models/enforcer.zip

Screenshot: http://www.quaketastic.com/files/models/ENFORCER.jpg

I would love feedback. Thanks! 
Looking Tasty 
Liking the screenshot! What inspired you to remodel the enforcer, in particular? :) 
@Chillo 
Very nice work. It's very subtle at first glance. I went back and forth between the original and yours. The differences are very subtle. More polys for sure but still old-school looking. I like it but I wonder if there's just a bit more detail you could add to the skin or something else to distinguish this from the original? I know it's a fine line though. Overall great work. 
 
if it's supposed to be a replacement, it probably shouldn't look distinct from the original. 
 
also, nice work 
Enforcer 
@Esreal I wanted to start remaking all the monster models in time. The enforcer is just one that I haven't seen anyone else remake yet, so I figured I'd go with him early on.

@dumptruck_ds I struggled with the concept of adding more differentiations on my model. it would be great to eventually tweak the skin and animations to where it still fits Quake, but is also more noticeably different.

@metlslime yes, i want it to look like it fits Quake, but I do intend on changing it up a little in the future, so that the player easily notices that it is a replacement model.

Thank you all for your kind words. 
Generally Replacements Are Best Done By Improving Quality. 
Rather than radical changes. I think this fits the bill :). 
Awesome, Chillo! 
I dug your ogre and I dig this too. I like the pushed shapes - the spaulders, bracers, the gun and the bunched up pants where they meet the boots. I like his slightly more 'realistic' proportions as well, he's a bit more formidable than the original. The skin is great, but this leads to my few criticisms: being that the skin is slightly higher res and quite noisier than the original, there's some texture aliasing in-game. The contrast is a bit too much, too, and the edges of the backpack are a tad bright in particular. Maybe reduce the contrast a bit, pull back the highlights and lower the noise/diffusion when palettizing.

Great model and I look forward to your treatment of the other enemies!

I noticed this has 270% more triangles than the orginal. The future is now! 
Awesome, Chillo! 
I dug your ogre and I dig this too. I like the pushed shapes - the spaulders, bracers, the gun and the bunched up pants where they meet the boots. I like his slightly more 'realistic' proportions as well, he's a bit more formidable than the original. The skin is great, but this leads to my few criticisms: being that the skin is slightly higher res and quite noisier than the original, there's some texture aliasing in-game. The contrast is a bit too much, too, and the edges of the backpack are a tad bright in particular. Maybe reduce the contrast a bit, pull back the highlights and lower the noise/diffusion when palettizing.

Great model and I look forward to your treatment of the other enemies!

I noticed this has 270% more triangles than the orginal. The future is now! 
I Just Had To Say It Twice! 
but yeah, I pressed submit once... 
@metlslime 
if it's supposed to be a replacement, it probably shouldn't look distinct from the original.

The recent Orge and Shambler replacement models are quite distinctive and got a bunch of high praise. This one seems so close to the original that I wonder if it was worth the effort.

Good example of what I mean:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-VTyozbUvs&ab_channel=RenierBanninga 
 
I don't see that replacement shambler as distinctive. It seems to stay true to the visual design of the original, including the colors, sillouette, etc. and simply adds a little more fidelity, fixes ugly texture seams, etc. 
Avant-garde Enforcer 
Looks very good, nice touches while still staying true to Quake. Good job! 
Enforcer Model Looks Good 
I vote for NOT making it more distinct. The good replacement models in my opinion are the ones that don't immediately jump out at you as new and different, but rather are just subtly improved (matter of opinion, of course). That replacement Knight by Capnbubs would be a good example, as well as most of dwere's replacement weapon models.

Am I the only one who really doesn't like Skiffy's Shambler as a replacement? I mean, I respect the work that went into it and it's incredibly well done, but it looks completely out of place with its smooth curves and high-res textures. 
@former_total_newbie 
I really like his shambler, I just think he should redo the rest of the monsters to follow suit. Until then, it is incredibly out of place. 
@Chillo 
Very nice faithful remake, good job.

My only question is, why is this enforcer so "jiggily"? Standing still in E2M1 he resembles a bowl of jello!!

Much more dramatic than stock models. Is this a Quake .mdl format limitation/issue? The higher the poly's the higher the drifts? 
Enforcer 
Good model Chillo!
It's a bit rougher than the original, as it comes out to be more solid.
I miss the gunflare.

Qmle has a poor grid (512x512?).
When scaling a model down to get it fit in qmle, it often has given me a jiggled size. Then I tried to start them the right size, so small movements don't get scattered. 
@Esrael 
Thank you for the tips and demos 
Jell-o 
Yes, there appears to be some jiggling (Seinfeld reference).
I may need to rework the model completely. It wouldn't be too big of a deal. Right now, I'm remaking the fiend, and making sure the vertex wobbling doesn't occur any worse than the original model.

If that model comes out looking solid, I'll apply that technique to redoing the enforcer.

Thank you all for the support and suggestions! 
 
Apart From The Skating. 
That is cool as usual :) 
Love It 
That shotgun reload is very smooth. Great stuff:) 
@killpixel 
Agree with Shambler about the skating... loving each update. Cannot wait for this. 
Glad You Guys Dig It 
skating

I'm using func_train for lighting tests. feet will get dialed in when working on the actually entity.

Cannot wait for this.

you and me both! 
BETA: The Dreaded Dreadbase Of Dread 
Hi there,

some time ago I wrote a tool to mass-convert directories with textures to Quake .wad files (https://github.com/maikmerten/QuakeTextureTool). One of the texture sets I applied this to were the textures from FreeDoom.

Clearly, I had to try these textures in a map.

The result (I still consider this unfinished, but playable - a *beta*) is "The dreaded dreadbase of dread". This is my first Quake map, so I'm not sure if it is a) somewhat fun and b) if the difficulty is roughly okay. I can breeze through this thing quite easily, but then again this map offers no surprises for me.

Screens:

http://maikmerten.de/base1/base1-1.jpg
http://maikmerten.de/base1/base1-2.jpg
http://maikmerten.de/base1/base1-3.jpg
http://maikmerten.de/base1/base1-4.jpg

Download:

http://maikmerten.de/base1/base1.zip

(Includes sources, the .bsp and .lit).

I'd be interested to know if this is something that can be salvaged into an enjoyable map.


SavageX 
@SavageX 
For the most part I do like the textures. I am kind of a wad fiend so will look at them in more detail.

The map was fun and very good for a first map.I must say it's probably too easy on Skill 1 because I am a pretty crappy player as you can see if you ever watch any demos. I was playing this at work with a trackball so sorry for the herky-jerky movement. I was playing very cautiously so I only died once. 2 demos here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ugey07slx60gvq/base1_dumptruck.zip?dl=0

I gave you some notes in the demo but I want to add that i think there are too many crates. This is a very doom-y map - and that's fine but add some interesting details to your base. Also the stairs are kinda bland at the moment. Maybe some side with interesting textures and such.

Play Arcane Dimensions: Critical Error map for the pinnacle of base map design. (IMO) It may be some inspiration for you. Here's a 'tube but I recommend it. Fun, crazy map.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFhUSsa12Es&ab_channel=WhamNinjaMolehill

Congrats and make sure and update us on the next version or final. 
@SavageX 
Sorry. I just happened to notice the link above was a shortcut to the demo zip. Here's the correct zip file with my demos for your base1 map.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ugey07slx60gvq/base1_dumptruck.zip?dl=0 
@dumptruck 
Wow, thanks a lot for your playthrough and demos! This is extremely helpful!

I agree on the crates - a cheap way to fill room without clear purpose since 1993. I need to reduce the overall count of those...

I hope freedoom.wad is useful - all credit to the FreeDoom texture artists, of course! 
@SavageX 
No worries. That's what func is all about. 
 
 
not fair using a replacement grunt model to make your engine look better :) 
 
Ha! Retroquad's MDL renderer still sucks anyway.

Besides, better is subjective. I'm sure a fair number of people will think my engine is just weird. 
 
Also, what I actually wanted to write instead of the parenthesis was "Quakespasm screenshot for reference", to tell which engine was the hardware-accelerated screenshot from, but Twitter's 140 character limit wouldn't allow. It wasn't my intention to sound unkind or to be unfair.

By the way, IIRC I've put all replacement models into a pak11.pak file, but most engines won't load non-sequential .pak files. Either that, or that model is in the test mod dir which I use to test Retroquad.
The map isn't exactly the same either, the one in the Retroquad screenshots was recompiled with lit water. That's also why the shadow in the ceiling above the stairs is smoother. 
Cool 
is it different than quakespasm/MarkV's "contrast" cvar? (I'm not sure how it's implemented in MarkV, but in Quakespasm contrast is just a multiplier applied to the framebuffer; every R/G/B value is multiplied by the value of "contrast", has gamma applied to it, then is clamped at 255. Pretty sure the output is the same as MarkV.) I'm guessing from the "pal_" cvar name, you're manipulating the palette.

I think features like this are great for playing on laptops / under non-ideal lighting. Turning up "gamma" very far just results in a grey washed out mess. 
Shots Look Pretty Good 
a bit plain, sparse etc but I like the general vibe. Would recommend being careful with the coloured lighting. 
New Grunt Model 
Please check out my new grunt model:
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/models/grunt3.jpg

You can download him here:
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/models/grunt.zip

Please give feedback and thanks. 
I Like! 
especially like the more gaunt look with the skinnier arms - like he's shrunk as he became zombified and now the armour is too big for him. 
Chillo 
I think it's cool that you're working on redoing some Quake models. Would be interesting to see some unique creations rather than recreations. 
Finally They're Equipped With Shotguns! 
Liking the emaciated looking grunt model! Also, actually seeing the corrupted soldier wear a measly shotgun instead of the futuristic looking rifle of the vanilla model really adds to the picture of the soldier having become more or less a brain-dead zombie. 
Looks Great Chillo! 
I wouldn't want to see those grunts down a dark corridor yikes! 
The Grunt's Eyes Remind Me 
@FifthElephant 
I'm really enjoying doing the Quake remodeling right now, and it's helping me brush up on 3D art. I do have a whole list of original monster ideas that I plan to get to once this project is finished. 
Rarities 
Found an elephantalk monster. 
Which Instrument(s) Would This One Play? 
It's like a Delek mutated by some kind of infestation. 
Ooh 
Whats that fro madfox? 
DJing On 6 Decks From The Look Of It. 
Dj tentacle b2b2b2b2b dj tentacle. 
Elephant Talk 
What order does a quake monster have to be?

That was the question that came up to me.
Keeping in mind quake monsters are rather gaga and comick-like they do tend to a darker behaviour like creeping freaks.
My personal feeling is there could be any kind of creatures, at least as it is low poly, has a hazard potential danger, and does not meet the reasonable forms of civilized beings.
At least that's my opinion.
No problem with Bender, MrBig, or JackJazz.

It's just a temperary study in func_cloth function. Animation of secundary movements like swing & balance are rather hard and time consuming to attach by hand.

A "cloth_attach" is a computed weight counter, that gives the model its gravity forces. That way the tentacles move in a natural state, without adding all perticular states by hand.

So I took an OldOne look alike, turned it upside down and started to give it some random movements.

When finished it looks like an elelphant snail.
It has aptitude for music, moves like a starfish, like to puzzle cryptograms, and gives explanations for its behaviour. 
Teh Widz 
widow model and lighting test

concept art

after a recent string of failures I decided to revisit my fist enemy design... and it turned out pretty good! I really like the classic ghastly look, very creepy. her speed and evasive maneuvers should make for a tense fight. I'll probably regret giving her articulated hair (6 segments per hair leaf!) but it should look pretty sweet.

learned a lot about blender and modeling in general with this one: alpha channels (hair, teeth), multiple texture layers (super flexible!), vertex groups, masking, etc. lots of valuable knowledge here that will be very useful going forward (and repainting the previous models).

@chillo - looks good :D

@madfox - did you make that or is it from something else? my inner japanese school girl is frightened. 
@killpixel 
She looks great man. Super creepy. And that RL... sweet. 
Thanks Dumptruck 
wish I could take credit for the RL. it's from DN3D and being used as a placeholder. 
Yup Creepiness Confirmed. 
 
Updated BETA: The Dreaded Dreadbase Of Dread 
Hi there,

I took the liberty of updating the beta for The Dreaded Dreadbase of Dread.

- fewer crates, trying to compensate with more interesting architecture
- tweaked enemy placement
- more sophisticated secrets

Screens:

http://maikmerten.de/base1/base1-1.jpg
http://maikmerten.de/base1/base1-2.jpg
http://maikmerten.de/base1/base1-3.jpg
http://maikmerten.de/base1/base1-4.jpg


Download:

http://maikmerten.de/base1/base1.zip


There still are some areas I'm not happy with regarding how sparse they are, but I think this should be a nice update regarding the previous beta.

If someone finds time to record some demos, that'd be awesome! 
SavageX 
i'll try to record a demo

but i'm pretty limited to explain my expession 
Expression 
 
Re: Updated Dreaded Dreadbase Of Dread 
Just noclipped through briefly, and there are some definite improvements. The brushwork is much more interesting visually. The staircases look a lot better, and it's particularly good how you've broken up some of the large grey swathes with tech details and/or rusty browns, and some more detailed brushwork, e.g. in the first room. The map can use more of that: there is still a lot of monotone grey, and those grey textures really only come into their own when thrown into contrast with e.g. brown/techy textures.

The boiler-like rusty structure you added in the second room is also very nice, not only for the above reasons, but also because it immediately makes the place seem more real and less like a game level, by hinting at mechanical processes going on in the background and a function that the place may have, other than simply being a space for the player to traverse. Plus, by adding chunky structures into otherwise wide open spaces, you're immediately making the gameplay more dynamic, by giving the player ways to break line of sight (which is invaluable in a map with many hitscan enemies like grunts, in my opinion) and opening up ways of engaging with monsters. I'd say the map could use a lot more of that as well, as the spaces are still very, well, spacious.

It's good that you reduced the number of crates, and the remaining crates often fulfil the above gameplay purpose (breaking up large spaces) -- but they still don't look that good in my opinion. I don't think the crate texture and the square brushwork are interesting enough to be used as such a prominent element. The map would be improved if you replaced more of the crates with architecture -- e.g. mechanical structures or pillars instead of a row of neatly stacked crates in the middle of a room. You could then still plonk in a couple of crates here and there for extra visual detail/extra diversification of space afterwards.

I saw what I assume to be new secret areas; those look enticing. At some point I need to play through the map properly and find them. :)

TLDR: Very nice changes, but I'd say take it even further.

Also: it's interesting to see your progress. It looks like you're just replacing the download and the screenshots as you update. I tried to go back to the earlier screenshots you posted for a side by side comparison, but they turned out to have been replaced by shots of the updated map. This is kind of a pity; it would be great if you could rename the updates something else, e.g. base1v2/v3/etc. or something. Just my 2 cents. :) 
@spy And @former_total_newbie 
@spy, thanks for your willingness to give the map a try!

@former_total_newbie

Thanks for you quick look - I agree that there's more to be done. I often find that it takes quite a while and much experimentation to come up with interesting brush shapes - I guess I'll need a few more iterations until the boxy feel of some locations is fixed.

Yeah, I was foolish enough to not keep old screenshots around. So, I created new screenshots of beta1 and beta2 in areas with significant changes: http://maikmerten.de/base1/comparisons/ 
SavageX 
here's the skill3 demo

https://drive.google.com/file/d/15aJN8FdTEkbEBEqv-nbIQKiSNKN3zkTx/view?usp=sharing

i liked a lighting very much, the gameplay itself
was around the id maps 
@spy 
Wow, your demo is very useful! You're certainly playing quite differently from how I approach things (great jumping skills!) and I now see that some encounters don't always work out as intended.

For instance, it never occurred to me that one can simply cheese out of the Shambler fight by leaving the arena, I always go in guns blazing. But then again I don't play on skill 3 ;-)

Also never noticed that the Shalrath doesn't trigger when staying in the elevator.

Seems the secrets are too obscore. They are marked visually and/or via geometry, but it appears it's too easy to miss them.

I wonder why you seem to dislike the lighting gun. Does it make things too easy?

Thanks four your kind remarks regarding the lighting. I spend quite some effort on tweaking lighting to my liking, and your comments enforce my impression that lighting is, indeed, very important. 
@ SavageX 
I'm a bit of a drrunkkk, to explain some thing prroperly, sorry

speaking of a secrets - i'm failed its plain and simple

about the shaft, it seems i have missed the super nailgun, but i'm strongly believing there ain't no need for a lighting fgun(Sorry for my broken engleesh)

overall , it is a great map to starting on (Sorry for my broken engleesh2) 
Shots Look Nice 
sparsity not always a bad thing. some good little touches here and there.
Reccomendations>>> maybe non wood crate texture? JF2 texture pack or whatever by Metl has some nice basey ones that might fit well. That one for the oblivion mod? Someone please clarify if you could

re shot 3 having some trim around the holes through which the big columns recede would be a bit more visually pleasing.

one other way to break up monotony, eg in shot 4, might be some recessed computers or vents in between the panels. Again could mine the aforementioned wad, or even rubicon2 for some that might work there.

can't comment as to gameplay, sorry! 
New Demon Model 
Demon 
Personally I don't think a fiend would be so gaunt, specifically around the biceps. They need to look as though they're capable of smashing through armour with a single eviscerating blow. 
Where Are Eyes? 
 
Oh Lord... 
...here we go again 
Perhaps 
its "bicep" could be bigger, but overall looks great. Also what about adding some blood to the ends of its claws? 
Claws Paws And Maw 
Need blood.

Then again it would explain why the poor feller is starving. Ya beef up the biceps a bit, and feed the poor guy and he'll be grand. I love fiends! Looks neat. 
Looks Perfect As Is 
... except yeah blood claws.
lil biceps work for me. 
 
The more gaunt appearance works for me, because it seems like the fiend hasn't eaten in a while, which in my mind makes it more wretched/dangerous. 
Chillo Fiend 
I don't think I like it as a fiend replacement, but it has the beginnings of an interesting monster -- maybe an additional variety on the fiend? The thinner claws make it look a little like a bird carcass or a Half-Life headcrab in-game, which is unsettling (in a good way). If it had a faster clawing animation than the fiend, I could see it becoming a nicely terrifying monster.

The whitish hooves look fine in the editor shot, but in-game it looks like the fiend is wearing white running shoes. The open mouth during the attack animation also doesn't work for me aesthetically. 
Fiend 
I can adjust the biceps, maybe adjust the coloring on the hooves. Adding blood will probably help as well.

I'll also see if I can adjust the mouth during the attack animations. Make it more subtle.

Thanks for the feedback, everyone! 
Fiend 
I can adjust the biceps, maybe adjust the on the hooves. Adding blood will probably help as well.

I'll also see if I can adjust the mouth during the attwck animations. Make it more subtle.

Thanks for the feedback, everyone! 
 
Can you adjust the eyes, to make them exist? 
Heresy. 
Ban OTP. 
I Mean, He's Not Wrong 
Never understood the eyes vs no eyes Fiend argument myself. At least the Shambler's fuzziness is questionable enough to be worth arguing about (including two opposing official stances, A. Carmack saying it's flesh and Romero saying it's a shaggy yeti coat), but this isn't 1973, it's easy enough to open up the pak files and look at the Fiend's texture and gaze into its piercing yellow eyes. Yes, there's an extra bit at the top that, if applied, removes the eyes, but it's unused in-game (as everyone should damn well know because we're not barbarians playing with texture filtering enabled making the eyes impossible to distinguish anyway, right?). 
Exactly 
 
Those Aren't Eyes, 
they're turn signals. 
Shamblers Are Fleshy 
Fiends have eyes
Vores are called vores
Spawns are called spawns
Scrags are called scrags, have eyes, and are fleshy. 
The Shamblers Are Also Farting A Lot 
Dude, why not adding a spiky cock under your fiend model? That kind of long and thin spike that kills a butt! 
Killpixel 
Again, I think I like the concept art more than the model. The texture is very clean/flat and I think the enemy design is kind of homogeneous so far. It's good to keep in mind the silhouettes when designing a character

http://www.chimpsahoy.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/images/2011/01/silhouettes.jpg

Plus I think more colour variation would help make the different enemies stand out even more. :) 
 
@chillo - I agree with the advice given here so far. In-game his arms look small and awkward rather than intimidating. Otherwise, he's very cool and still a sweet model nonetheless!

@qmaster - I thought shamblers had matted fur?

@fifth - useful feedback, thanks! I think they can be pushed more in their shape and paint job as well. They're a bit bland atm. There will be much more diversity/stylization among the remaining ten enemies :D 
 
Shamblers and scrags have similar skin. Scrags don't have fur.

Shamblers have sinewy features in their skin texture, notably on their right arm and thighs. This looks more like skin stretched over a gaunt bone structure (similar to a scrag or vore).

Shambler is derivative of a Lovecraftian Dimensional Shambler, which is definitely NOT a yeti. 
I Prefer My Fiends Eyeless. 
despite whatever 
 
@killpixel whatever you do, just do it; explode! your talent is exponential. Then back-step and pick up the bigger pieces. You do good work. stop worrying about the now. you will, kick ass when you meet your goal. 
 
Shamblers have shaggy hair, matted with the blood of their victims. The hair around their claws gets singed when they charge up their lightning bolt which produced a sulphurous odour that follows them around.

Fiends have vestigial eyes inherited from whatever lowly wretch Quake corrupted many millennia ago, but the once vibrant orange glow has been lost as the eyeballs have receeded in to the skull and the horns (once standing proud and vertical atop their head) have migrated down to obscure them further, making their charge attack all the more deadly. Who needs to see in Quake's gloomy halls, especially when you're a mere puppet of some omniscient ancient evil?

Scrags have a faintly transparent, pallid reptilian skin, and they can turn incorporeal to move through walls.

But real Quake fans know all that already, so I don't even know why I wrote it really. 
 
From: Adrian Carmack <adrianc@idsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Shambler: Fur or no fur?

Not fur.

Adrian
 
Short Bristly Porcine Fur HTH. 
 
Your Face Is Porcine HTH. 
 
 
@qmaster - interesting. Apparently It's confirmed by adrian carmack as well. I will do my best to unsee the fur :/

@r00k - Thanks r00k, I appreciate it :D I'll take your advice. 
Fiend Update 
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/models/demon_chillo_replacement.zip

So I've added more blood, beefed up the biceps a little bit, and darkened the hooves.

I've also added eyes. There's no question that the fiend has eyes, they're just so subtle that I didn't think it would matter.

Please let me know what you think now.

Thanks! 
BETA: Shifting Planes Of Existence 
Yo!

I'm still fairly new to this forum (and Quake mapping in general) so I'm just following the convention set by SavageX regarding the format of Beta posts.

So I finally got around to finish my first beta version of a quake map. It's pretty rough around the edges, it's currently only balanced for "normal" difficulty and the artpass is absolutely not done for the time being, but I really want to make sure the gameplay is at least tolerable before giving it some visual polish.

It is a medium sized map, takes about 20-30 minutes to complete, with 106 monsters and nine secrets. Its main gimmick revolves around button-operated dynamic "planes".

Screens:
https://i.imgur.com/5XmCbcl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1fZDJdb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EEZTnR6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/lOgSl4C.jpg

Download:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m1vodslo3kn3vth/movplan_a1a.zip?dl=0

(Includes .bsp and .lit. Requires Qouth) 
Oooh 
2nd screenshot is very moody! Nice! 
Looks Like Some Good Styles. 
Nice lighting in 1 and 2. Lighting in 3 and 4 is a bit flat / bright.

Textures in 2 and 4 are a bit OTT with that repeating grille. 3 could do with something to break up the walls.

I'll let someone else do the gameplay :) 
The Gameplay Is What This Map Is All About 
Some feedback (possible spoilers):

Played through a sizeable chunk of the map but got stuck at the big fight in that arena-like area with the silver key door, where you fight several waves of monsters. I'd still like to finish, but I can write what I thought so far (before I forget what I think).

The "moving planes" gimmick is really nice, and it's effectively introduced at the beginning of the map, in a relatively simple space, before things get more complex.

The secrets are fun; I've found 6 out of 9 so far. I really like the way they utilise the main mechanic of the map, although I was in pretty much every instance surprised that I had found a secret, as I thought I was just going where the map directed me. But that might just be because of my play style; I like exploration-heavy gameplay.

I find that the map can get pretty confusing and disorientating fast. This might partly be intentional, but I think it would still help if the player can get their bearings more easily. That would arguably also make the unconventional means of traversing the map (i.e. by means of the shifting planes) more impressive: "Oh, I'm here now!" instead of "err, am I somewhere else or back in the same spot?". I would suggest using the detail pass not just for visual polish, but also visually to differentiate the various areas more.

I have two things to say about the arena/horde/wave fight where I'm currently stuck:

The first thing, which is probably a matter of preference/play style, is that I really don't like it. It's too hard and it seems to go on forever, and it's the kind of thing that's been done to death. The rest of the map was so interesting; to have to plough through yet another cliched over-the-top fight was a real let-down. It doesn't make use of the unique mechanic either -- it's just a bog standard wave fight. I don't know, if nothing else, maybe tone it down and shorten it somewhat, at least for normal and easy? I realise other players might have the exact opposite opinion, though.

The second thing is about the messages, and it applies if if you disregard my criticism above. I'm guessing each wave --or at least certain monsters in each wave-- trigger the start of the next wave. That in and of itself is not a bad way of doing things, but the messages to the player ("there are more to go", "only x more to go", "sequence completed") are a bad idea in this instance. What happens in practice is that you're in the middle of this chaotic battle, where you're killing monsters left and right -- and since this is Quake, they're killing one another too, in which case the player does not see any messages. And then seemingly at random, you see these messages: "only three more to go"; "sequence completed"; "there are more to go"; "sequence completed", etc. But there is no clear objective and no sequence to complete that the player is aware of, so it all just comes across as random gibberish.

Overall, though, this is the start of a really great map, I think. I hope some other people give you feedback too and I am excited to see the final version. No demo, sorry. I always get stage fright when recording demos and then can't play as I normally would. 
 
...continued (more spoilers):

Ok, I got impatient and just godmoded through that fight. Hmm, I guess that was the end -- except for then having to jump over platforms over an instakill void to then be surprised by spawns. I didn't mind the platform jumping, but those spawns just add insult to injury.

So yeah, a really annoying end to an otherwise really engaging map.

That reminds me: there is a staircase that would lead up to the blue key-door arena, were it not for a doorway that's blocked by vertical bars. And that staircase has pockets of instakill void on either side. This is also a bad idea I think. It looks more like a potential secret area shrouded in darkness (in fact, I jumped in on purpose and then of course died) -- which would be more interesting and less annoying than those two pockets of instant death.

To reiterate, overall this is really great. There are just certain things that detract from the experience in my opinion.

I noclipped around after I finished and saw that there are some areas I missed completely -- presumably connected to the secrets I missed, or maybe just optional extra areas. I'm tempted to play again and try and uncover the entire map, but part of me wants to wait for the final version so as not to spoil it for myself. 
@Spipper 
This is an incredible concept. How long has building this map taken you so far?

I haven't finished playing it yet, but like former_total_newbie, I wanted to write this down before I forget.

The whole map feels like I'm inside a giant mechanical puzzle, trying to find the right sequence of switches to move on to the next area.

Is this going to be a void map? I'm curious, because at this point you don't die in the beginning if you fall off the edge into blackness.

The initial view at the beginning is rather unremarkable. I'm sure you intend to add more visuals to represent it as the outside of the complex/fortress/puzzle.

I really enjoy the feel of the level. Despite the texture set being familiar, this level gives Quake a new and somewhat unrecognizable impression during play.

My favorite part so far is of course trying to fit into the openings of the falling platforms. One thing that would be cool to see, and I don't know if this is possible, is to create divisions in the platforms depending on which opening you choose to fit though, since some of the plats have more than one way to get through. This could maybe lead the player through a completely different route through the level than if he were to choose a different opening to squeeze through. Not sure if I am conveying this accurately.

Overall a great map so far, and one that I feel would get even less-than-avid players back into Quake to try it out. Awesome work! 
Shifting Planes Of Existence 
The gameplay is cool. The map corridors are boring, though. For this kind of stuff, I would expect more "weirdness" in the geometry and details. It's not "out of this world" enough (i.e Lovecraftian).

Maybe darker ? 
Three Barrels 
Now in 3D!

Anyway, that's it for sneak peek stuff until the demo is out; I don't want to spoil all the cool stuff. Keep your eyes peeled q1/q2 2018... 
Thanks For The Feedback 
I'm so grateful for all the great feedback I have received so far.

@Former_total_newbie
I agree that the ending is pretty weak atm. I'll probably replace the final arena with some kind of puzzle section.
I'm already in the process of addressing most of the other issues you mentioned.

@Chillo
The earliest saved version I can find is from September (it was initially meant to be a submission for Jam 9).
I get what you're saying about the openings in the platforms leading to different paths (and I think I know how to implement such a feature) but I think it's sadly beyond the scope of this project. 
Killpixel 
I know this probably won't sway your decision, but I loved the sprite weapons.... maybe it's a bit anachronistic but I love the character they can add to the screen, really charming when done well.

That said, your overall aesthetic is really consistent and good so I'm sure you'll put all the pieces together nicely. Look forward to the demo! 
@killpixel 
Woo hoo. Cannot wait. Your hard work is going to pay off. 
 
@starbuck - I loved the sprites too and thanks :D Looks like Ion Maiden will deliver big time for those of us needing a sprite fix.

@dumptuck - thank you, sir. 
I Lied A Little 
coachgun test animation

thought I'd go ahead and share this last thing because the gun has already been spoiled and it's a personal milestone, so I'm all giddy. Anims are in rough form atm, especially the initial pickup. all sounds can be ignored too (they're just carryovers from the sprite version).

Wow. in actual (3D) viewmodel. functioning. in the game. :D :D :D 
Dig It 
again: cannot wait

can you talk a bit about the lighting. It's subtle but perfectly creepy and dark. Is that ericw's tools or DP? 
 
Haven't commented on any of killpixel's work but it's all magnificent. Really, really good models and animations, can't wait to see it all in action, and eventually play it myself. 
 
really nice ammo-loaded indicator, it's really subtle yet effective

also really like the fading (heat?) on the side of the barrel. It's a nice touch. 
Still Shugging Along... 
Bored of having boring flat walls? Nothing some fancy new flat screen TVs cannot fix! http://maikmerten.de/base1/randomscreens/base1-monitors.jpg

Having trouble finding your silver key? Just add some subtle lighting fixtures where you put it! http://maikmerten.de/base1/randomscreens/base1-find-the-key.jpg 
 
The lighting is looking great!

One little suggestion: use angle and softangle on those spot lights to soften up the edges

From erics tools docs:

"angle" "n"

Specifies the angle in degrees for a spotlight cone. Default 40.

"_softangle" "n"

Specifies the angle in degrees for an inner spotlight cone (must be less than the "angle" cone. Creates a softer transition between the full brightness of the inner cone to the edge of the outer cone. Default 0 (disabled). 
Thanks! 
Thanks for liking the lighting - I think getting that aspect right is usually effort well spent :-)

I usually happen to like high-contrast spotlights. For instance, I'm quite happy with those: http://maikmerten.de/base1/randomscreens/happy-with-those-cones.jpg

In-game, these high-contrast cones nearly have a "volumetric" feel to them that depends on sharply defined edges.

In some places the spotlights struggle with lightmap resolution, though - I shall certainly try _softangle there to avoid an overly jagged look there - so thanks for the suggestion! 
@SavageX 
It's really coming together. Great work and really smart additions. 
Agreed! 
Yeah, this is getting markedly better with every iteration.

I was wondering when we were getting another update on the Dreadbase of Dread.

Thanks for those comparison shots you posted last time, by the way; those were really nice. Please don't delete them, and maybe you could do something similar again? 
 
@dumptruck - It's Q3map2 :D That test map is relatively dark. The outside portion where I have the enemy models is supposed be the dark of evening. The game itself has creepy lighting but is overall fairly well lit. Think quake's third episode. All the weapons, enemies, items, keyed doors, switches, and POIs have some sort of glowing bit to help mitigate the negative impact of moody lighting.

@lpowell - thanks, I can't wait for you to play it either.

@shambler - yeah, I'm pleased with the ammo indicators. They're a no-brainer in retrospect, but when I made the sprite version of the gun I was dissatisfied with the busy symbol on the back that was right in your face though it didn't have a purpose. Not sure why it didn't occur to me then... 
@dumptruck_ds And @former_total_newbie 
Thanks :-)

I'll try to have some nice comparisons with previous iterations of the map. In worst case I can just always include the old .bsp and .lit files for the curious to explore :) 
Dreadful Beta3 
Hi there,

here is another iteration of The Dreaded Dreadbase of Dread: http://maikmerten.de/base1/base1-beta3.zip

And some comparison shots:

OLD: http://maikmerten.de/base1/beta2_1.jpg
NEW: http://maikmerten.de/base1/beta3_1.jpg


OLD: http://maikmerten.de/base1/beta2_2.jpg
NEW: http://maikmerten.de/base1/beta3_2.jpg

OLD: http://maikmerten.de/base1/beta2_3.jpg
NEW: http://maikmerten.de/base1/beta3_3.jpg

OLD: http://maikmerten.de/base1/beta2_4.jpg
NEW: http://maikmerten.de/base1/beta3_4.jpg

Personally, I think that emotion is what makes us truly human, which is why I extended the exit area to present an emotional feat to the player: You'll encounter a beloved old friend! To ensure I don't spoil things, here's a screenshot that I processed to keep the surprise intact: http://maikmerten.de/base1/beta3_5.jpg

(the new exit area is still rather raw, but should still be a nice improvement over just running into the exit trigger)


There are other tweaks (e.g. regarding entity placement) that are hard to show on screenshots - I recommend experiencing things in-game ;-) 
BETA: New Version Of Shifting Planes 
The biggest change between this version (a2) and the previous is the removal of the final battle. Instead, I have added a sequence more akin to the one with the falling ceiling platforms. Besides that, there are a number of other small changes which hopefully improves navigation through the map.
Still no artpass, but I do have some ideas I'm excited to implement in the next (and hopefully last) version.

New Screens:
https://i.imgur.com/R2TtyYY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/AmWU8FO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/99rwgBS.jpg

Download:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/v0v76jtdl6zisvm/movplan_a2.zip?dl=0

(Includes movplan_a2.bsp and .lit. Requires Qouth) 
RE: Dreadful Beta3 
Recorded a demo yesterday:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xg79yzu01ajvchh/base1feedback.dem?dl=0

Otherwise, I don't have much else to add. It was a fun and frantic map.

I got the following error in the console: "Host_error: Cannot find maps/excavation.bsp". I don't know if it's related to your map tho.

I like how you can find the secrets using the sound from the teleporters (that's how I found the second secret). Found the third one after the recording by noclipping, and I kind of think it would be more interesting if it was a twist on the shootable secret wall formula like the second secret (e.g. the top of a generator is a secret wall), instead of being a repetition of the first secret. 
@Spipper 
Thanks for the demo and for testing in FTE :-)

It's good to know you perceived things as "fun" and "frantic" - in the end what matters is that things are enjoyable.

I see that the Shambler fight just doesn't work out as planned. Instead of chasing the player around (to make it more difficult for the player to hide behind one of the pillars), the additional enemies tend to get into an infight with the Shambler, which actually makes things easier for the player.

Yeah, I'm not very creative regarding hiding the secrets. I want to be consistent (so the trained eye can spot them without axing every single wall) and not overly random. I'll see if I can remix the formula a bit for the third secret, so things don't get boring.

The error message at the end of the level is normal - this map was/is intended as part of a short stand-alone (not depending on Quake assets) single player campaign with the silly name "Zernichter" (https://github.com/maikmerten/zernichter). Basically you'd fight your way through a base (base1) up to the surface, where you'd find an excavation site (excavation.bsp - not nearly finished) uncovering a gateway into a demonic realm. There (in a hell-themed third map) you'd try to stop the demonic invasion.

Short and stupid story arch, but of manageable scope. I'm slowly progressing through getting the maps together, releasing them for Quake first. Then I may package them as free/libre stand-alone game (perhaps extending the arch a bit), but currently the liberally licensed assets I can use are of... limited... quality, so that would require a team-effort, e.g., with someone who can create models :-) 
Dreadful Feedback 
Played through this one, as opposed to just noclipping around. Somewhat sleep-deprived, so I hope I'm able to make sense.

Spoilers may follow!

The good:

+ Pipes! The decorative pipes add a lot. Overall the map has improved aesthetically.

+ The final area with the lift is nice; makes me curious as to where it leads. Pity there's no secret under the lift, though.

+ Found two secret areas (MH and Quad Damage). Really liked both of them, although the Quad Damage area in particular felt a bit empty. Maybe spawn some zombies when the Quad is picked up, which the player has to kill before returning to the main map? It would add bit of extra gameplay as reward for finding the secret (which would be especially welcome for players who -like me- find the secret after having cleared the rest of the map).

+ I know it's not new, but I really like that descending lift with the ogres etc.

The bad/ugly (not particular to this latest iteration, but things I don't think I mentioned before):

- Not too crazy about the coloured lighting, though I'm not sure what exactly it is I don't like. Maybe there are too many different colours competing for attention in the same space (red, blue and white lights in close proximity or in the same room), and/or maybe the colours are too saturated.

Generally I'm not a fan of obvious/in your face coloured lighting; for me it works best when it's so subtle that it just feels a little more realistic, without the player's necessarily even realising that the lights are not white.

- Don't like the use of death knights. In my opinion, knights and death knights do not belong in base/tech maps, just as grunts and enforcers don't fit medieval/temple/etc. maps -- unless the map justifies it somehow, e.g. there's a portal/slipgate, and as you draw near, the "wrong" monsters start spawning in.

Haven't played the new Shifting Planes beta yet -- sorry, Spipper! 
@former_total_newbie 
Thanks for your comments!

I can certainly dial back on the coloured lighting a bit. I guess that the "computer room" is one of the areas where things may be "too much" (there's red, yellow, green and blue light in there). For the yellow lights (for instance in the gold key room) I might reduce the saturation a bit to reduce the Quake 2 feel.

I understand your dislike for death knights in base maps. For some reason (and I'm not exactly sure why) they blend much less natural into a non-fantasy environment. Ogres are fine IMO (they're fantasy-tech hybrids anyway), Scrags/Wizads are okay IMO (twisted wanderers of dimensions) and Fiends and Shamblers are "monster wildlife" that could just as well shamble on somewhere in Siberia ;-)

Perhaps "knight" has such strong cultural connotation with "medieval" and/or "fantasy" that they just don't blend well with industrial/base settings, while the Lovecraftian creatures are not quite as tied to a specific setting (I could easily see Ogres, Shamblers and Fiends doing evil evilness in steel mill along 1980ies Heavy Metal tunes - Knights not so much). 
Less Elevator, More Stairs 
I took the liberty of replacing the first elevator the player encounters with an arrangement of stairs.

Yes, I know, this is less comfortable than simply pushing buttons - but I'm sure Quake Guy won't mind the physical exercise. It also allows for some actual gameplay being put on several different height levels.

Not very polished yet, but an early glimpse:

http://maikmerten.de/base1/randomscreens/stairs1.jpg
http://maikmerten.de/base1/randomscreens/stairs2.jpg 
New Zombie Model 
Slowly Moving Forward With The Artpass 
New screenshot:
https://i.imgur.com/8mUXAhE.jpg

Old for comparison:
https://i.imgur.com/5XmCbcl.jpg

This is going to take a while. 
@Spipper 
Very nice. Loving it. 
 
Spipper is displaying the power of multiple iterations of the same scene. Its an amazing thing watching a space transform like this. Keep it up!

If you havent already, join us in our Discord channel!

https://discord.gg/VxH9Hzu 
@multiple_users 
Spipper: nice!

Chillo: he looks very happy. Knees look a bit knobby for my liking but cool other than that. 
New Skill Selection Map 
Damn! 
That looks really good! 
15426 
Looks pretty snazzy, the soft fog and warm sky/lighting give it a neat look without feeling arid. Is the bright blue water supposed to stand out that much, though? Assuming it's water, I mean. 
#15426 
Looking great! 
OTP, Spud, Mfx 
Thanks!

The blue water is not exactly intended - it just happens to be the one water texture I currently have (I avoid non-free textures in hopes of going stand-alone sometimes in the future).

Whipping up a more muddled water texture shouldn't be a major problem, though. 
SavageX 
 
"Those outdoor shots looks great, and surprisingly similar to Turok:
"
almost, but better :) 
Turok 
Heh, that's indeed a nice visual coincidence - I think I'll try to sneak in a reference to Turok into the map. 
My Approach To Churning Out Terrain Fast 
First: lay out all floors and walls as "quadsoup": http://i.imgur.com/FCD8kXi.png

Second: Start pushing vertices around until things look "organic": http://i.imgur.com/X1u4EUy.png

Overview after approx. three hours of messing in TrenchBroom: http://i.imgur.com/z5Tb1gS.png

The big sky brush marks the +/-4096 limit of unmodified Quake network protocol. I'm expect I'll have to switch to BSP2 before this map is done. 
Brushwork Terrain Tutorials 
Thanks for posting that, SavageX. I've been playing around with natural terrain recently, also mainly using the TB vertex tool, but I haven't settled into a method that works for me yet -- though broadly speaking, I try to do more or less what you have done here. In my experience so far, however, it's tempting to go overboard and end up with an unwieldy mess of overly complex brushwork (something which you seem to have avoided).

Every so often I see people recommending this terrain tutorial by Sock. As I recall, Adib used it when mapping for the Fire & Brimstone jam. The thing is, though, I can't really make much sense of it -- or perhaps I'm missing something?

To me it doesn't really look like a tutorial at all. Instead, it starts with what looks like some sort of historical overview of terrain in brush-based engines in general, and then it moves on to a fairly technical discussion of something called DotProduct2 and some stuff that seems specific to the Quake 3 engine and Radiant. I really have trouble picking out the parts that are relevant/helpful to Quake mapping in a different editor than the Radiant family. Or is there a tutorial buried in there somewhere, and have I just never found the right link to click? 
#15435 
the dotproduct2 stuff is 'just' q3map2 autogenerating per-vertex alpha values based upon the similarity of the vertex normal and some specified unit vector. And then squaring it (hence the '2').
(dot(A,B) == cos(anglebetweenAandB)*length(A)*length(B)), or in other words, given unit vectors, dotproduct gives 1 when they are equal, 0 when perpendicular, and -1 when opposing, so its quite handy when doing geometry stuff. squaring it biases it towards 0 in a non-linear way, so you don't need such vertical cliffs)
combined with a shader that performs alpha blending according to said vertex alphas, this gives different textures appearing based upon how flat that part of the map is meant to be.
manually doing all that stuff would take excessive amounts of effort...

its worth noting that its all q3map2/q3bsp-specific and doesn't apply at all to q1bsp (which completely lacks vertex alpha values... and shaders). 
@former_total_newbie 
Yeah, Sock's tutorial is certainly covering a lot of things that only apply to Quake 3 (or compatible engines).

I cannot claim to be an authoritative source regarding Quake editing - I'm not a veteran mapper and have yet to properly release a single (!) Quake map (apart from the betas in this thread). I try to adhere to following rules:

- Most vertices I only displace on one axis. So if I want to push the rock surface in, I'll grab a vertex and just push that one in exactly according to one axis. I try to make sure my brushes keep quite some volume (no strangely flimsy brushes), which is why I start with 128x128x128 cubes. I can push those around without

- I try to keep all vertices on-grid. I certainly make sure all vertices are on integer positions.

- be gentle on the floor, don't go as crazy on vertex editing as on rock faces. A few hills and ramps usually work fine, but if you go overboard you can run into collision issues, like players getting stuck on random edges (for Quake 2 and 3 the collision system works quite differently and seems to be overall more robust).

I uploaded an example map with sources over at https://maikmerten.de/base1/start-wip.zip - perhaps that's useful for you. However, again, I might do things horribly wrong although they appear to be working fine for me for now ;-) 
Terrain 
I've been using FraQuake to generate fractal geometry for my Xmas Jam map. (cavewalls) You'll need to run it in a 16bit compatible OS. I'm probably going overboard with the number of polys but you can dial it in to your hearts content. It's a multi-step process. Create a map in the application and then copy and paste what you need from the output. (It adds monsters randomly FYI) I use TB2's CSG merge to weld faces together to create borders. Then add _phong 1 to make the lighting pretty. I'm having fun and I think it looks groovy

https://www.dropbox.com/s/plh6rsopnx3c863/fraquake.zip?dl=0

this is the only screenshot I have access to ATM but it illustrates the fractals well https://imgur.com/d2TGj5E 
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