I'd refuse to watch the original GITS and watch the 2017 remake specifically to relish in the slickness of leaving out THOSE 3 SECONDS OF EYE MASK CRUCIALITY and annoy you dicks. Except apparently - and I can't remember this - the GF says I watched GITS at her flat a while ago. I dunno if it was the series? Or the original film? Suffice to say it must have left a huge, culture-defining impression on me. 

Yeah so a culture-defining work has no influence at all if you don't like it or if it doesn't leave a lasting impression on you. 

.....what I'm actually saying is,

































YOUR MOM. Srsly. Nuff said. 

HTH. 

I'm still deciding whether I should watch the original first, or the live action first. Being that I've seen neither. I have been saving the original up for years so maybe it's time. I'll see how the reviews go.

I don't get what the big deal with those 2 scenes is though, they looked pretty identical to me. Or is the cartoon not the main chick? The person under the mask does look like a dude, but then anime artists have problems drawing men that are supposed to be attractive. They just end up looking like pretty ladies.

What annoys me is Scarlett Johansonson being cast. I'm over looking at her pulling ducklips with her giant prolapsed asshole lips in every movie she's in lately. She has little range in her acting. 

Dont give a shit about anime, but those 2 scenes looked pretty comparable. Scarlett Johansson is beyond shit in action films though, and I can understand the annoyance around making asian characters white, it's somewhere between racist and incredibly lame.

The problem with her is that she's clearly really fucking unathletic and ungraceful. Kind of a big deal when the fight scenes are the majority of a film. And you have to watch her throw some awful punch or kick and then you get this stupid fucking smug pout for dessert. I dunno, maybe hire someone who has martial arts training? Or at least played sports growing up? Maybe there's someone like that in Japan if we look hard enough. 

There's more to anime than cringey teenager crap or cute little girls with pink hair and big eyes. 

I translated killes gobble-de-gook for you. The scenes are radically different (apart from the trivial 22 years and cartoon vs. live action minor issues) because of that 3 second delay in the cartoon one where he/she/it lifts the eyemask. And thus the whole film and the entirity of cyberpunk culture is ruined FOREVER. 

Is phenomenal visually and technically. It may be a little too obtuse for its own good. Or maybe I'm just dense. Or both.


I've intended to watch Grave of the Fireflies for the last few years but can't seem to bring myself to commit two hours to a movie :/ 

GITS is decent (have never liked it as much as its reputation but it has some nice ideas and some killer visuals and soundtrack).

The problem with the new remake is not Scarlett Johannson, it's Rupert Sanders as director. The trailer shows the same blandness and unimaginative direction of Snow White and the Huntsman. 

Ok ok let me clear up the scene thing for you Shambler as your powers of observation do seem a tad lacking :

First - you see Johanbitches face at 19 seconds of the scene which is as soon as she enters the scene :
https://youtu.be/N9rsosPkQqA?t=19

its the flickeringcamo - you recognise her mug clearly - this is the "oh no the audience is so dumb they might not understand whats happening and get frustrated and vomit their popcorn in rage if they have to wait 40 seconds to understand" moment. + more Jocunt face-time bonus.

Second is not about shortening the scene for gods sake - its the TECH - the camo tech is a TEXTILE which turns the wearer transaprent, ergo you need some of this textile over your FACE for it to work...just like the bodysuit suit she is wearing...in the live action the tech works what ? how ?
It magically spreads its invisi-semen over Jobitches face somehow ? Then there should at least be a shiny scheen of invisigoop all over her face to be wiped off.

No - the answer is they threw out any logic or care for the world building of GITS in favor of jobitch face time, because you know, they are banking on this "talent" investment hard and also they seem pathetically untalented/dumb/lazy in finding ways of allying their interests with the ones of GITS.

The worst of it is the character is recognizable enough in the anime in a subtle but perfectly decent way too for anyone *paying attention* : the outline of the haircut in the light refraction of the camo.

The timing issue is a bollocks excuse shambler, they can def accelerate the textile pulling back, its not to save time, they did plenty of that already by removing the bad dudes attempt at defending himself with the knife.

And no nothing against Scarlett Johannson per se , direction, production etc are the big problem as nitin says- replace with any actress I dont care, asian or african or whatever - I am of the opinion some liberty can eb taken with this - the important part if to portray the alien-ness of the Majors body - that attempted sexyness which kinda fils due to the bodies weaponized nature - its slightly off-putting outlandish moves etc, you see moments where the joints and skin stretch out really weirdly etc. Its a whole central theme of GITS - the Majors relation with her synthetic body - something the movie seems to pretty much blow off so far wth Jo-looser's performance there.

She is not the problem other than she is definately not throwing her wait as an actor of higher caliber and integrity would in insisting on being true to the character they are portraying. (Heath Ledger(rip), Caprio are examples amongst others of actors who seem to give a fuck, whatever their motive is for this) 

The scene is taken out of context so it's kind of hard to judge, but the fact that the guy doesn't fight back in the new version is weird, it just looks like she's beating him up more than she has to, whereas in the original he obviously has augs and is a threat.

Anyways, Oshii vs Sanders, no need to say any more. 

I stopped at your 3rd paragraph, did any of the rest of it make sense?? 

you must be a tad challenged like me shambler, but thats ok

Summarized :
1 - you see her face way before the 37 second mark, unnecessarily - the anime achieved the desired effect way better - Lead actress face time priority.

2 - they pissed on world building (glaring camo tech inconsistency), for no good reason either

3 - Scarlett evidently does not give a fuck about the role and representing the character correctly or has no spine to impose this, too bad for her rep.

4 - add to that what bal pointed out - the Major is not a thug. 

Johanbitches face

Jocunt face-time

Jobitches face

And no nothing against Scarlett Johannson per se

OK then. 

 

Why even bother... it astounds me for people who are old enough to have been around when Anime was less of the super weird cringey fucked up stuff still only see it for that ? Like the fans extreme annoyingness negates any talent / worthy art ?

Battle Angel Alita, Serial Experiments Lain, Akira, Cowboy Bebop, GITS, Perfect Blue, Ninja Scroll and so on are nothing "weirder" than anything else and certainly do not lack talent or quality to them 

tbh most of the movie I'll just be staring at her almost naked body anyway, not her face.

true to the character they are portraying "Heath Ledger"
What character was that? You can't be talking about his portrayal of the joker, that was equally as off-character (just not as awful) as the Jared Leto abomination.

Re costume somehow covering her face with invisi-goop as well, you sort of have to expect that from Hollywood these days. They have trouble gettings things like logic correct these days. At least they seem to be following the original closely, maybe scene-for-scene? Usually these reboots or remakes of foreign movies Hollywood they have to smear it all with shit and change everything 

Also one Anime I loved was Neon Genesis Evangelion. I don't like the films though, I think the last few episodes of the series were the most amazing and unexpected thing I've ever seen and the films completely ditch them. I also really liked the two Golgo 13 animated films. 

Kona why is a scene for scene remake good? That is probably the worst type of remake I can think of. At least bring something new to the table apart from just translating it into english?

@killes, I am not sure why you are so angry? The original GITS is still there, no one has taken it away (heck even I have both the original and the 2.0 version on blu ray). Just ignore the remake and move on? 

...Amused to see people freak out for even nerdier reasons than I often do...

... face this, whitewashing that...

..."Ledger.... off-character..."

-Uh wait a minute what?

Anyway Scarlet Johansen, who does have an annoyingly cheesy name, was good in Under the Skin, so she can't be the worst actress to have. She can play alienated. It's not like they hired Jessica Alba for the part. 

I was referring more to this movie than to all of Hollywoods remakes. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Sounds like all they're doing is weakening an already perfect (if going by the cult following fans) film. Obviously it won't be perfect because that's a subjective thing, but if they Hollywood writers don't have the skills to improve it, as they often don't, then I'm happy for it to remain as is.

Also as it's a 22 year old animated Japanese film, based on a almost 30 year old Manga. The Americans that will be watching the live action probably never saw the old one. So does it need to have the story all changed up just because? 

more than just the same script though. That's what I was getting at.

Also I think much of what is lost in literal translation is cultural aspects, so even a scene for scene remake loses something from a foreign original. 

Kong Skull Island - soulless but intermittently entertaining, would also have benefited from being fully committed to either outright parodying Vietnam war films or simply referencing/homaging them rather than the bit of both it seems to have settled for.

5.5-6/10

Manchester by the Sea - well acted but otherwise I found this surprisingly amateurishly made and only surface level engaging. Possibly also has some of the most grating use of background score in recent times (at least in what is meant to be an honest realistic drama) in attempting to tell the audience what to feel.

6.5/10