|Posted by Shambler [220.127.116.11] on 2003/05/11 15:08:47|
|I thought a trio of themed threads about other entertainment media might be good. If you're not interested, please just ignore the thread and pick some threads that interest you from here: http://celephais.net/board/view_all_threads.php
Anyway, discuss films...
George A. Romero Dead - Night Of The Living Dead Author
The author who spawn the entire concept of zombies is dead. I have read that before "Night of the Living Dead" that the role that zombies fill in a movie was typically filled by vampires an example
Night of The Living Dead was interesting, the first zombie shows up after a husband jokes "They are coming to get you Barbara" mocking her fear of cemetaries. End with the sole survivor being shot by a sheriffs deputy. The origin of the zombies, in 1950s sci-fi style, was a passing meteor.
Dawn of the Dead, the first sequel, improved and expanded on the concept and took the plot of a group of individuals deciding to take refuge inside a mall. This movie would be remade in 2004, its remake it also very good.
George A. Romero was a character in Call of Duty Black Ops:
When the once-dead zombie genre encountered a resurgence after the release of 28 Days Later, Romero ended up gaining a second wind of recognition for his work after countless zombie movies and zombie video games (Left 4 Dead, ZombieLand, etc, etc, etc.) started getting pumped out.
Night was a masterpiece that inspired John Carpenter's Assault on Precinct 13, among others.
I'm expecting the other Romero to say a word about his namesake.
The Beguiled - 7/10
Moody, understated and well acted period drama with probably some of the best cinematography in years (the aesthetic reminded me of Picnic at Hanging Rock and The Innocents at the same time). The last 15-20 min or so felt rushed, especially considering how languid and deliberate the pacing otherwise was.
(ps - I have not yet seen my blu ray of Don Siegel's 70's version.)
A 10. Not a 10/10 with a beginning 10 and an end 10, a continous 10.
Arrivial Is Very Good
Not sure it's a 10, though. I'd say it's a solid 7.5, maybe even an 8.
I Dunno What Is Arrivial
But it's probably not as good as Arrival.
I Knew That Was Coming
as soon as I hit enter
What A Coincidence
Because I saw a boring contrarian "it wasn't that good" comment coming as well. Maybe I can see the future...
...did you foresee this
The Arrival was a well-executed movie.
I thought the philosophical concepts in the movie were excellent ...
1) The aliens language is their gift. To communicate in it will change your mindset to a higher level and connect the dots to attain "foresight".
2) The aliens established contact with humans specifically because their foresight saw they will desperately need our help in 3000 years.
3) The main character has a daughter, despite her foresight telling her that her daughter will die young -- that she find her daugther's life irreplaceably special, but because she did not make her husband aware of the the daughter's short life span, leads to conflict with husband leading to divorce.
Far better than the shovel loads of sequels they have been pumping out.
Yes I enjoyed it. Great concept and ending.
I found it a little frustrating and unrealistic the way the other countries acted in the end, though. Although I suppose that is what you'd expect out of a baby child like Kim Jong-un. Then we've got one president that rides horses with his chest out for his branding, another that communicates with the world via troll tweeting. Maybe not so unrealistic.
When asked why they came ...
They responded "Use weapon".
And communication with them was a complicated and difficult experience.
A response of "use weapon" would certainly freak out some of the world leaders.
Arrival took Kubrick's influence in a bad direction (slow and mysterious but ultimately pretentious and sentimental, even if the language idea was interesting and Amy Adams is always good). If you're going to take Kubrick as an influence it can be slow and mysterious but it needs to be complex, symbolic and even clinical, and that's what I got from Under the Skin, a way better "first contact" film (ducks).
Dunkirk was an intense film, from the very start the movie does an excellent job of making it feel like you're there; most of the time you're about to die horribly, and the rest of the time is boring and grueling if you can't do anything about it, and harrowing and guilt-ridden if you (think you) can. Nolan did a great job making viewers feel like we're drowning alongside evacuees and sailors or craning our necks for the next dive bomber attack, so I wouldn't call that exactly "fun," some scenes are extremely tense, but overall it is a great film. Plus its realism serves as a forceful reminder of what people were willing to put on the line to fight for their country only a generation or two ago, and I personally think that's relevant so that younger generations do not take everything for granted. Dictatorships do not naturally go extinct and nations with democratically elected governments do not grow on trees.
Dunkirk - 7.5/10
Pretty good as an experience in terms of putting you there, particularly in IMAX70, but apart from the experience side of things I found it lacking in many other qualities. Also, putting you in the cockpit of the planes didn't necessarily lead to good dogfight scenes IMHO. I also found the timeline approach, whilst interesting (and I can understand why structurally the decision was made), to not add anything in terms of impact.
Wind River - 7-7.5/10
Extremely well shot and confidently directed (leaving aside the insertion and placement of a flashback sequence), but with a surprisingly straightforward and lacklustre script. Perhaps Taylor Sheridan wanted to focus on the directing side of things this time around but it was a bit odd to see that he would save, relatively speaking, his weakest script for himself. Having said that, the movie and characters have a very nice, lived in feel and the mood of the whole thing is excellent. The final shot is also amazing.
The Big Sick - 5.5-6/10
Found the writing and characterisations far too broad for the film to work convincingly as either comedy or drama, leaving it straddling a not very engaging middle ground. Probably didn't help that I thought the male lead, who is playing himself, to be a very flat performer. Also one of the more uncienmatic movies I have seen in quite a while.
Only movie I've watched recently is Alien Covenant. Looks like everyone on IMDB rate it 1/10. What a bunch of pathetic little cunts. I wouldn't blame Ridley if he said right fuck these pack of useless whinging children I'm retiring from movies and enjoying my billions with hookers and coke for the rest of my life instead of giving the fanbase another Aliens movie. Years of work and all they do is bitch and claim "my life is ruined" because the movie sucked. It seems unless he makes a perfect movie, it'll bomb.
Not that I thought it was that great. It wasn't as good as Prometheus and predictable from the start. But that's what happens when you know how the last one ended and know where the Alien virus is supposed to eventually end up, and you know Bad David is bad. It was just an okay movie. Many critics seem to hammer all the stupid decisions and plot holes, but there's no more here than any other action or horror movie.
It would have been interesting to see what Blomkamp might have done. But rebooting the whole thing always seems like a cop out to me, like you aren't good enough to write something to fit the current story so just start again.
Imagine if someone came along to direct the new Star Wars and just said nah screw it, I'mma reboot this whole thing. Chappie was utter garbage (actually deserving of 1/10s haha) but those short movies he put out recently were good, so who knows.
Is it true Ridley is doing 2 more of these movies? How will they not be the same story again? Prometheus and Covenant were basically the same story. One just had badder David and more Aliens then the other.
Disagree On Both Counts
she was still hot in the movie (though lol the second image you picked certainly does not convey that), but the movie was crap and for the love of god Ridley please just stop.
Looking forward to seeing Wind River, I loved Sicario and Hell or High Water.
Apparently it was her idea to do the Jim Carrey Dumb & Dumber bowl cut hairdo, she talked Ridley into it.
I assume they were going for a Sigourney version 2. But she's no Sigourney.
Sig had a unique sort of look where she could pull of attractive but tough as fuck at the same time and it didn't matter if she had the long curly hair, short messy, or none at all, she was impressive. Katherine just doesn't look tough at all.
In fact it's a bit disappointing that they just killed Elizabeth Shaw off, way to ditch the lead character you just built the new franchise around.
Yes Definitely Agree
Depsite all the attempts to replicate Sigourney Weaver's awesomeness in the original film, they have never done it. She just sold it completely, even more impressive given how certain script decisions including which characters would be male or female, was done at the last moment (then again, random selection is better than allowing any political ideology to write your script/characters for you). If anyone hasn't seen the documentary about the making of Alien which features interviews with her and the writers, it's definitely worth checking out.
Also they never explained what David did to Shaw, and it's so frustrating to see the modern movies still be shit even after Alien vs Predator; with Giger's vision and some Lovecraft inspiration you COULD make a great film instead of rehashing tired of bullshit in increasingly inferior ways. Copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a....
Fassbender is great but he can't save a bad script.
P.S. lol the opposite of how they had to talk Javier Bardem into accepting his haircut for No Country for Old Men. He wasn't happy about it at all apparently, but it was awesome.
Logan Lucky - 7/10
Nothing amazing, but definitely well made character driven entertainment. It's not quite as goofy as the trailer makes out but it still has its share of left field laugh out loud moments, plus the usual heist movie shenanigans.
Atomic Blonde - 5.5-6/10
Some neat action scenes for sure (although I wasnt a huge fan of the Max Payne/Matrix esque shot last one) but the tone is very serious for something that doesnt have too much substance. Committed performances from Theron and McAvoy only manage to take it so far.
The Matrix 4, 5 And 6
Jonathan of Wycke part one - 4/5
Very entertaining and has some beautifully filmed sequences IMHO. The fights felt really good too and I liked all the little details where he runs out of ammo and has to reload and so forth. Some of the dialogue to build up his persona felt a bit forced, though.
Jonathan of Wycke part two - 3.5/4
Still very entertaining and had a rather hilarious and elongated fight sequence in which they shoot at each others in an underground rail complex thing while other commuters walk past them. It didn't feel as fresh as the first one, though, and they really didn't have to show him kill someone with a pencil.
Joanna of Wycke - 3/5
Good fights but the cinematography started failing a bit here. It could have gone for more long and stabilising shots to establish the setting a bit more so we as viewers can settle in. The quick cuts made it messier than it should have been.
Stephen King's The Shining
miniseries was broadcasted on french TV tonight and I found it quite boring. I really struggled to keep my attention focused on the screen. Cinematography is bland and lightyears away from Kubrick's mastery, but that was to be expected.
My true grievances are:
- The actor playing Jack Torrance is nowhere near as good as Nicholson, who remains the all-time Sith Lord of psychotic characters.
- The kid looks dumb and I can't stand his twangy voice - he sounds like he has a shit-ton of snot held up in there!
- FX are too cheap, to the point where the whole thing looks kinda like a Z movie.
- The epilogue is downright cheesy AF.
mother! - 5.5/10
I thought this worked on a metaphorical level only. And IMHO if all you are going to do is attempt to dramatise (not so subtle) metaphor, you need to have something interesting and thought provoking to say. And apart from the point of view taken here, I didn't find much of interest.
Blade Runner 2049 - 8/10
Clearly a lot of work went into this, making sure it both thematically and aesthetically builds on, and does not just retread/remix, the first film. A little too overreliant on plotting than the first one, and I actually think it could have been a bit longer (or at least the back half should have been given more time than the first half) to flesh out the impact of some of the plot points more.
The direction however is very on point even when the script isn't and there are a number of stunning sequences throughout. Overall, a hugely satisfying film in its own right and as a sequel.
Came here to look for movie tips and ended up watching Oats Studios Rakka and Firebase on Youtube. Thanks for the links, it was quite interesting.
Firebase overexplained its thing. Blomkamp to me seems to be at his best when the situation seems quite chaotic from a personal point of view, and things just unfold. I guess District 9 relied on the excellent lead actor and main character improvising a lot. Everybody was given some (insane) orders and they tried to carry them out as best as they could. It seems very life like when it works.
Such film, so little discussion, wow?
Really rather good. I'm not a fanboi of the original but this seems to tribute it and eventually sequelise it AND stand fine in it's own right. Some scenes and shots dragged on too much, and there was a bit of pretentiousness (like the original IIRC), but as intelligent stylish cyberpunk it was cool, plot was neat, and most prominently many of the scenes and scenery were stunning - enough to make me wish I'd caught it earlier on a bigger screen.
Not perfect but better script/story IMO than the original. I saw 2x and enjoyed it and I thought it only dragged in a few places.
I saw it at Warner Bros Studios and the sound was amazing! My 19 and 15 year liked it a lot (which surprised me.)
Yeah, 2049 Was Surprisingly Good
caught it in theaters a few weeks ago and enjoyed it more than the first one. visually/sonically it was fantastic. the acting wasn't annoying for the most part, which is usually one of my main gripes. i think the story was good but the telling could have been much more subtle as i found it predictable throughout. but yeah, all those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain. or something.
I was actually going to post asking why havent you seen it :)
I Dunno That It Was Surprisingly Good.
The trailer looked like it was going to be good to anyone except the most jaded fanboi....
I agree the story was unsubtle - but perfectly fine for a film - maybe that's why I found some of the lengthy moments a bit jarring (like finding the horse).
Good call about the sound design too. Some good music - the noises when he meets the hos for the first time were great.
Nitin, a bit slow with the cinema these days :)
Not Really A Fanboi
but certainly jaded and cynical when it comes to new mainstream films (especially established franchises that are ripe for raping). I'm accustomed to disappointment so 2049 was a welcome surprise :D
I think something that helped 2049 was keeping scott out of the director's chair (villeneuve was a great pick too, glad it wasn't nolan).
also, let's take a moment to appreciate that 2049 isn't an alien/prometheus tie-in.
I Claim The Previous Post
I'm sure you guys have heard by now, but cameron is on board the new terminator (as well as schwarzenegger and hamilton). an interview
, for those interested.
I dunno. I am kinda over The Terminator story. And recall that Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull had the originals back together. Maybe it will be groundbreaking in some way but..?
Alien was the only Alien movie, Blade Runner was the only Blade Runner movie, and the first two Terminators were the only Terminator movies or even if it was only T2. 2049 was alright, worth watching and of course the visuals were spectacular, but I really wish they would focus more on original scifi visions; it's not like there isn't material for it (there will never be an At the Mountains of Madness movie, alas).
Nolan made Following for like $6,000 if I recall correctly. Noir can be such a win when well done, and blends well with scifi (ie Blade Runner, Dark City, etc).
Yeah, I don't have high hopes, but the fact that Cameron is part of it and that it's a sequel to T2 (and ignores the other movies) is enough for me to care to some degree. I like the Terminator universe and aesthetic so I would welcome a good modern rendition of it. Fingers crossed.
@Tronyn - Alien was the only Alien movie
No love for Aliens?
Game Over Man!
heh, I like Aliens, it's the best one other than the first one, but I still don't think the first one benefits from associating with it.
Iron Sky 2:
The Coming Race
Gonna be out in a few months. Anyone hyped? :D
was like a dream and I loved it! I don't know, but even though movie felt slow and the story wasn't anything too original, just that there is so much time to see and feel how semi-depressive the future would be like. I loved the soundtrack, and I would watch it again just for that.
Slow it felt, but it is really the selling point here, I think. I don't often watch movies, which tie on the ambience with so steady grip and this made me zombie for long amount of time after the ending.
Was a very pretty film but the soundtrack was garbage. I didn't care for the story that much either.
The original film is a masterpiece in film-making.
The Soundtrack Worked Really Well During The Film IMHO
The Soundtrack Was Far Better Than Fifth's Post.
Fifth's Post Was Better Than The Story Telling.
Curiosity strikes again. Although in the first one I lost attention at the second half, I still wanna see what they got in their sleeves.
Seen these over the last two months:
Detroit - The reviews for Kathryn Bigelow's latest one are interesting. Some say the characterisation is not very nuanced, other say that it did not go far enough in condemning the actions it depicts. Personally, I found it a very well made film that, although being very difficult to watch in parts, is quite balanced in its (semi-fictionalised) depiction of the 1967 Detroit Riots and a particular incident at the Algiers Hotel. Sure it doesnt provide elaborate character backstories, or offer any solution to the depicted complex problems, but to say that the movie lacks nuance or doesnt go far enough in condemning the actions it depicts seems to me to be reading into it what people might want to read into it. Also, it's technically first rate, and the performances are fantastic.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Has its fair share of problems, namely some very spotty plotting and a romantic subplot for Finn that leads to a scene (the kiss) as cheesy as anything in the prequel trilogy. But against those problems, it has some very interesting alterations to the themes that normally run through SW movies. Those same alterations seem to have annoyed a lot of dedicated fans but personally I found those alterations interesting and refreshing from what was becoming a very stale franchise. Some of the visuals were also very well done (both particular shots but also the editing in the Rey/Kylo connection scenes).
At least in for the last one in this trilogy and the first in Rian Johnson's upcoming new trilogy.
The Killing of a Sacred Deer - Very weird movie tonally, and whilst that was definitely entertaining to watch (especially if you like black humour), I am not sure it was very effective. As a comparison point, thematically this was not that different to say Haneke's Cache, but that was far more chillingly effective if less entertaining. Performances are all top notch and in sync with the tone, as are the technical accomplishments, but to me this felt like a missed opportunity traded in for an exercise in zaniness.
Also has the best pasta eating scene I have ever seen.
Good Time - Very stylishly and propulsively made, and with a killer soundtrack, but ultimately less than the sum of its parts overall. There are some great character bits, some hilarious scripting, but nevertheless, despite being entertaining for most of its runtime, this ultimately felt like a whole lot of nothing by the end.
The Disaster Artist - I havent seen The Room but I also havent seen Plan 9 From Outer Space but still consider Ed Wood to be one of the all time great films. Unfortunately James Franco's movie is nowhere near the quality of Burton's masterpiece. It seems completely uninterested in what made Tommy Wiseau or Greg Sestero tick or what drove them (at least beyond a very superficial level) to make The Room in the way that they did (like Wood, Wiseau obviously didnt realise he was making a terrible movie but unlike in Burton' film you get no sense here of why Wiseau thought he wasnt).
It seems far more interested, and definitely in a rush, to recreate the shooting of some of the scenes in The Room so that you can laugh at them. But then why wouldnt you just watch The Room?
On the plus side, going by the end credits and some youtube clips, Franco's impersonation of Wiseau seems to be extremely spot on.
Ingrid Goes West - Surprisingly hilarious and critical take on not only instragram culture and social media obsessiveness, but also hipster culture and the LA lifestyle, with Aubrey Plaza and Elizabeth Olsen doing terrific work as stalker and stalkee. There is enough depth to the characters to keep you interested and although it is cynical enough, the movie thankfully doesn't end up becoming clichedly nihilistic.
Also O'Shea Jackson Jnr's Batman obsessed character steals every scene he is in.
The Last Jedi
Visually, it's lovely. Every scene looks great and the effects are top notch. This movie is a real feast for the eyes (and ears). Aside from that, I hate it deeply and lament its existence.
I think The Last Jedi was just Rian Johnson watching too much Game of Thrones and he decided to be a maximum edgelord and just kill off all the characters you didn't want killed off.
JJ Abrams has a massive clean-up job on his hands with ep9, that's for sure.
I think Rian Johnson decided to be a maximum edgelord and just kill off a franchise you didn't want killed off. This wasn't just a beheading either. He disemboweled star wars, showered it with excrement then savagely ass raped it into oblivion. I can't wait to behold its spit-shined carcass in ep9.
Fuck, I haven't even cared about star wars for some time and I'm still angry :/
You summed up the movie perfectly in #6036! +1
I Quite Liked It!
was a disgrace. For me it's worse than the prequel films by some margin.
The Last Jedi
Everyone I've spoken too cites wildly different reasons as to why they hate The Last Jedi. What are you fellas' grievances?
Well, the screenplay is horrid. And that's the problem.
There are scenes like the mutiny toward the end of the movie that serve no purpose in advancing the story. The casino stuff - all pointless and worse - excessive. Honestly it felt like those scenes were tacked on to the movie to sell toys. (the real reason all Star Wars films exist.) Our main characters fail in what they were attempting to do. But they succeed in finding a hacker (by chance.) huh? pretty convenient.
Somehow every character, including Luke is unlikable now as opposed in the last picture. Except Rey. She's passable. I hated Poe by the end of the movie. Finn was sidelined to a quest that, as I said, was meaningless to the story. Yoda came back as a puppet. Was that a good idea? I was distracted by it I apparently missed some good dialogue. where's Obi Wan? Too busy for a chat?
Leia dies and then revives herself? WTF? Why didn't the Emperor that in Episode 6? Then Luke dies without any foreshadowing? WTF? There are countless moments I was baffled that someone would release such an incoherent story based in a universe that has some logic to it.
Visually there are some great scenes. Really cool moments. Great action. But really a big spaceship can't catch up to a smaller spaceship? That's your ticking clock? How utterly lame and uncinematic.
I had no issue with the humor except the first few minutes. Domhnall Gleeson is a good actor but he was wayyyy over the top in that opening scene. I was cringing for him and puzzled as to what the hell was up. I actually liked that Luke was a bit cranky but he never really snapped out of it. For me as a kid Luke Skywalker was my Star Wars hero. This sendoff was extremely disappointing.
Big things and little:
Rose's sister is exposed to space in the beginning of the movie but she doesn't freeze. Later Leia is exposed but her face forms ice crystals. Huh? Stupid detail shit like that matters. I've clearly thought about it more than the filmmakers who just want your money.
Rose was a cute little character and then she had to have that horrible "death kiss" scene. Ugghhh.
This is a long video but the guy is smart and brings up a lot of great analysis of the film from a writer's perspective. He's not as hard on the movie as I am being, so it's another perspective you might be interested in hearing:
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