Func_Msgboard: Mapping Help

Posted by metlslime on 2002/12/23 18:31:29

This is the place to ask about mapping problems, techniques, and bug fixing, and pretty much anything else you want to do in the level editor.

For questions about coding, check out the Coding Help thread: https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=60097

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#19409 posted by skizzlepuss on 2018/01/12 05:59:28

https://uploadfiles.io/cg1z9

#19410 posted by muk on 2018/01/12 06:10:07

Remove the blank "target" and "wait" from the d1 doors for starters.

But, beyond that...the issue isnt happening for me when I compile the .map. The button only opens d1. I didnt change anything either.

Ha Ha Hi Hi Ho Ho

#19411 posted by skizzlepuss on 2018/01/12 06:20:42

yep that did it! I didn't realize the unnecessary target and wait would do anything. mystery solved, we can all go home now

#19412 posted by muk on 2018/01/12 06:57:27

no dont go home. go map.

#19413 posted by anonymous user on 2018/01/13 02:14:44

Are there any good beginner resources around?

GTKRadiant, NetRadiant, and Trenchbroom seem to be the most popular editors, and ericw-tools seems to be the current suggested toolchain for compilation, but all the documentation and stuff I've found seems

Dang Accidental Post

#19414 posted by anonymous user on 2018/01/13 02:15:51

...to assume that you know what you're doing, which I really don't.

Sorry about the halfpost, interface bugged out.

Re: 19413/19414: Beginner Resources

#19415 posted by anonymous user on 2018/01/13 03:27:34

This might help to get you started with the very basics: https://quakewiki.org/wiki/Getting_Started_Mapping

Make Sure And Register

#19416 posted by dumptruck_ds on 2018/01/13 05:09:24

...for this site so we know who you are. :) Maybe prepare a list of specific questions you have too. We'll be happy to answer.

JACK is also a popular editor for those with Valve/GoldSrc/Worldcraft experience:

http://jack.hlfx.ru/en/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/496450/JACK/

I use TB2 and can answer questions. Also Terrfusion on Discord is a good real-time resource as well.

Nobody Has To Register If They Don't Want To

#19417 posted by anonymous user on 2018/01/13 11:47:48

and it's not a prerequisite for asking questions.

It Should Be

#19418 posted by oh, that person on 2018/01/13 11:57:53

#19419 posted by muk on 2018/01/13 14:13:57

I smell shrimp

#19421 posted by muk on 2018/01/14 01:16:13

Shit is arguably better than shrimp.

Registering

#19423 posted by dumptruck_ds on 2018/01/14 07:29:11

...was simply a friendly suggestion. Not a demand. You know, to get to know someone in a more personable way?

Nope, But You Do Have To Register If You Want To Post Abuse

#19424 posted by Shambler on 2018/01/14 11:40:20

and it's a prerequisite for trolling (i.e. some form of accountability).

#19423

#19425 posted by Poster of #19415 and #19417 on 2018/01/14 15:59:19

@dumptruck_ds: Yeah, I get that. :) Of course registering has its benefits, but it should be the person's own choice, and I thought the way you phrased it, it sounded a bit like a demand/pressure/prerequisite.

In any case, my comment was directed more at whoever posted the question in 19413/19414, than at you. People may have various valid reasons for not wanting to register and sign up, and it would be a shame if they feel pressured to register and then stay away completely as a result.

And (re: #19424/Shambler) of course I'm talking about people asking for mapping help, contributing knowledge, etc. and not about trolls/people posting abuse. I can understand the argument there, although there are plenty of people happy to troll and post abuse while logged in anyway. So I'd argue that even then, whether or not someone is registered or logged in is irrelevant: just don't be a troll and don't be abusive.

#19426 posted by Shamblernaut on 2018/01/14 18:39:44

can a mod delete / move the above BS into the beef thread?

It would be nice if any visitors coming here wouldn't be greeted with this as their first experience here.

Snaut.

#19427 posted by Shambler on 2018/01/14 18:50:24

Would if I could. I think there's no beef here now tho. All good.

#19428 posted by skizzlepuss on 2018/01/14 23:39:11

how do I get spike traps to shoot more/less frequently?

#19429 posted by skizzlepuss on 2018/01/15 00:11:56

ah nvm, got it (it's 'wait')

Bit Of A Technical Question Here

#19430 posted by Kinn on 2018/01/16 23:51:01

Been trying to get my head around the Valve220 map format.

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/MAP_file_format

What's the point of the "rotation" field?

There's a not-particularly-clear description of it on that page, but I still don't get why it's required when you already have two vectors defining the "right" and "up" of the texture.

Possibly related, but in Netradiant, if I do a fractional texture rotation (e.g. 13.6 or whatever), only the integral part (13) gets saved to the "rotation" field in the .map, yet the extra precision is not being discarded, because it's generating different "right" and "up" vectors, compared to if I just rotated it by the integer 13.

It's almost like the "rotation" field is just for show, but why?

Rotation Field

#19431 posted by Qmaster on 2018/01/17 00:33:29

It's a cheat. Rather than the editor (JACK or Hammer only) having to calculate the relative rotation of the texture UV space every time it loads a face into a brush, it merely calculates this during save and puts it into the .vmf or.map.

At least U think thats what it's for. Old Worldcraft 3.3 needed some hackery if I recall to read it. Whoever did the WC3.3 patch might know for sure.

#19432 posted by ericw on 2018/01/17 03:12:09

That field stores the knob position of the Hammer UI. It's not used by qbsp when compiling the map.

I guess the reason it was done this way is, you can rotate the brush with texture lock on, and this won't cause the texture rotation knob in the UI to change on its own.

Knobs And Things

#19433 posted by Kinn on 2018/01/17 12:28:28

interesting cheers, so it's pretty irrelevant.

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