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Vista is Microsoft force feeding us shit.
Linux - for jobless geeks only.
Macs might get you laid, but you'll have to pay and pay.

XP has a colour scheme for autistics, but is destined to live forever....
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XP 
Looks like a person laughing with their tongue out :)-|-<
They should have called it "Windows HaHaNaNaNaNaNaaaa-Na!" 
Ive Alwas Thought The Same Thing 
accept it was lip music

XP:BBBBURRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIP 
OS X Yosemite 
Looks more than a little retarded to me. But thats ok - gives me an excuse to hop off the OS treadmill Apple have been having recently.
Are they really trying to make a desktop OS look like a mobile device.

Does anyone like/tried it ? 
Tried To Install It 
Fried my system. First time this has happened to me with Mac OS X. Not a great first impression. 
 
Hmmm? I didn't plan on installing immediately any way, but slightly disturbed ... 
 
It took a few hours to install for me, apparently there's an installer bug where if you have files in /use/local (i.e. homebrew), it takes forever :-/
I like the more minimal look though. 
 
Hows it going ? I cant see that there's been too many huge bugs. Any impressions about the new font. 
Fresh Install 
Works fine for me. Nothing big is broken. New font is clearly optimized for retina display and looks a bit shit on some external monitors. Can't really complain apart from the shitty upgrade installer. 
Hmm 
Some forum post
Can't imagine Steve Jobs would have approved of using Helvetica/Arial. Of course Helvetica a serviceable font. It's a no-brainer font for non-designers. Can't understand why Apple would use it. They could have designed or commissioned a unique font. Now my web browser text, email text, printed reports off my laser printer, user manuals, basic PDF's, and basic documents all have the SAME FONT as the menu bar and system. From an affordance and usability perspective, the system font should be distinctive. 
Agreed 
The font is not an improvement. Same goes for Safari 8 and its centered adress bar and centered favorite buttons. 
I Say This Not As A Consumer, But A Certified Apple Technician. 
Quote - All the laptops are basically disposable now. Soldered in RAM, soldered CPU, soldered GPU, no optical drives, proprietary SSDs. We replace Retina logic boards on a weekly basis now due to failed RAM. A keyboard replacement requires swapping out the entire lower half of the chassis, and a web cam failure means replacing the entire LCD screen.

Apple products are overpriced disposable garbage. The only thing "premium" about them is their insistence on using milled aluminum for their chassis .... They don't even have the "premium" software anymore- I can't tell you how many customers come in here complaining about perpetual updates that change everything (iOS 7), and more recently we've had a ton of complaints and downgrade requests from 10.10 because it's hard to look at.

IMHO; unless Apple smartens the fuck up in the next ~2 years, people are going to start losing interest in their products. This form-over-function thing has gone way too far on the hardware and their recent war on good user interfaces has turned their "premium" experience into a muddled bland mess of white space and blurry fonts.


This guy sounds kindof authoritive to me.
I think the bean counters have kind-of won out since Jobs has gone. 
 
source: http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5865053&cid=48217607

I'm not sure what you mean... everyone I know that has one of the new apple laptops absolutely adores them. They don't care about any of those things mentioned above.

And really, how do all those weird 'ultra'books compare? I doubt they're all that upgradeable either. 
 
Yeah I have a MacBook for work and I fucking love it. Super slick and solid. 
 
Always was fond of this Steve Jobs on Netbooks 
 
Can't imagine Steve Jobs would have approved of using Helvetica/Arial. Of course Helvetica a serviceable font. It's a no-brainer font for non-designers.

Although It's the system font for iOS devices and has been since the original iPhone. 
Elemental 
I tried out Elementary OS. Hmmm - interesting. Borrows quite a few of OS X's ideas, and even improves some. ... But i couldnt play mp3 , or even install the codec, and after a few minutes the dock icons disappeared, so i gave up.

I like the look of the shotwell image viewer. 'yum install shotwell' wanted to update my whole kde/qt system, so went looking for the source. It's a Gnome thing, and the source is in a tar.xz format! Well, fmd , never seen this compression before. Just what we f-ing need. So trying to find/get the source for this (lzma utils) and it turns out it's alpha still. (lzma-4.42.0alpha6.tar.gz). Desktop Linux/Gnome are so pathetic. :( 
Anyway 
Has anyone really given Elementary a go ? 
 
Is it possible to run a Quake dedicated server in the background or as a service?

[I don't want the terminal open.]

I'm using Ubuntu and trying to make a Fitz 666 compatible dedicated server for Linux. 
@baker 
fte has some code to register itself and run as a windows service. I doubt anyone really cares.

linux has all sorts of shell scripts that you can use to create a service.
look in /etc/rc.d for sysvinit, but seeing as every distro is being stupid and using systemd instead... good luck with that.
probably you'll want to restart the server every few days, with some small script that just restarts it each time (or if it crashes due to qc bugs or whatever, or if someone keeps trying to exploit it - restarting really helps with finding the correct memory offset to overwrite). 
 
https://github.com/neogeographica/gameserver_scripts might be useful for some ideas about what to do. It's certainly not a plug-and-play solution, and I've probably done some things wrong, but I used that setup for a long time to run QW and Q3 servers for a LAN gaming group. 
 
Interesting. I'm not hosting a public server or anything like that, but I re-purposed a Windows 8 machine and want it locally running for a bit so I can mentally double check to make sure it has all the features it needs (rcon, etc.)

And see how it handles
1) sleep
2) cpu
3) logs

And that sort of thing.

I saw code in FTE that on Sys_Error, FTE will start another server process on Windows and then quit.

I assume this isn't possible on Linux. 
 
@johhny - yeah that'll be helpful. 
 
Note that init scripts and "daemon" management are two of the things that vary a lot between Linux varieties. The stuff in that repo is particular to Debian.

I experimented a while back with an EC2 instance running "Amazon Linux" which is based on Red Hat, and I spent some time seeing what would be required to use that. Not only changes for Red Hat, but also how to find & use the external IP in the scripts, how to set up the EC2 instance's virtual hardware correctly, installing compiler tools to build mvdsv, etc. I dropped that before getting completely happy with it but I still have notes I can share if you want 'em. 
 
I'd be interested in that. So you've used EC2 before, right? And you ran a game server on it too (didn't know you could do that)?

Is E2 as cost-effective as they claim? 
 
Amazon bills me 41 cents a month for the storage.

Running the instance has additional costs. I was using a "compute-optimized" image in order to get enhanced networking. A c3.large instance is currently priced at about 10 cents an hour. I think if you pay up-front for larger stretches of time, it's cheaper. There are also data transfer costs that look like 1 cent per GB in, and no charge on outbound until you hit 10 TB / month. See http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/

My notes are not quite as extensive as I remembered :-) but here they is: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11690738/temp/ec2%20quake.txt 
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