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Quake 20 Years Old Today
It was twenty years ago today, that Quake shook the world to its foundations. Time for a little retrospect which you can read here. The best part, it ends with a big shout out to this wonderful community and the Arcane Dimensions mod in particular. Enjoy!
 
Quake is as old today as Breakout was when Quake was released. 
 
What freaks me out is that Quake was released on my sister's 20th birthday 
Happy 40th Birthday 
Kinn's sister!

PS MAKE HIM GO MAP HE'S A LAZY FUCKER 
 
Could use some confetti here, but who cares? Happy Birthday, classic Quake. 
Happy 20th You Glorious Bastard I Only Got To Know In 2011 
 
Happy Birthday! ! ! 
I found you first sleeping in my ID Anthology. Played you once on a dark and stormy night. You stole my dreams forever since then. Cheers! 
Happy Birthday Ranger! 
Thanks for being released for the N64 or else I may have had never played you! 
Hmmmm, That's Interesting... 
...is MS doing the auto-complete? And, when I say interesting I mean #$@%&ing @$$^&img. Regardless, Quake rules! 
Machinegames Episode 
new episode by machinegames in tribute, 5.2M
https://twitter.com/machinegames/status/746363189768650752 
I Remember 
I remember lurking in the Usenet group alt.quake before the release. People used to discuss every update in Carmack's .plan file extensively and I remember in particular one phrase.

"Accumulate damages so quad shotgun can gib."

This is from memory, so it might not be exact. It did fuel some speculation about what the heck a quad shotgun is. We only found out about that later.

Thanks, Carmack and the Id team for making the quad shotgun able to gib. It's one the things that make Quake what it is. Not the most important, but not the least either.

(After a few years of moderate Quake enthusiasm I put it aside for a long time until a Quake map video review by Daz I happened to watch on Youtube got me interested again.) 
Celebate By Playing New Version Of Quake 1 
I Like Teh Quaek. 
 
I Paid $60Cdn Of The CD 
(BTW, the icon is cake, not cheese)

It wasn't out for long before I dropped a heavy load of $20s plus the tax for a jewel case and a fat little manual printed in colour (still have both in pristine condition.) I almost never pay full price for games or buy them shortly after release (Duke Nukem 3D was another exception). I've never gotten such entertainment value per dollar ever since and I bought just about every other commercial expansion (MP 1&2, Malice, Shrak, QZone but not XMen) and played hundreds of user SP mods and released a few levels myself.

It is the best game ever in my opinion. I was stoked on first seeing the tech demo in it's crappy resolution with software rendering and I've loved how it gives you so much yet expects you to finish filling it in with your own imagination. I can't think of any other game except perhaps Unreal that brought me so much enjoyment that even on my deathbed I'll say, Quake was great. 
Great Engine But.. 
I remember Quake1 primarily for the groundbreaking engine/technology, the game itself(single player) was a mixed bag imho.

Always liked more Unreal, Quake2,.. 
 
Quake 2 had a more consistent theme, more cohesive as a whole. I think many believe this to be a downfall of the game though, quite boring as a result. Unreal had some incredible vistas for it's time and interesting story-telling devices but the enemy design was lacklustre. 
 
Quake 2 had a more consistent theme, more cohesive as a whole. I think many believe this to be a downfall of the game though, quite boring as a result. Unreal had some incredible vistas for it's time and interesting story-telling devices but the enemy design was lacklustre. 
 
I bought the Unreal pack on this Steam summer sale, and started playing the first Unreal for the first time. It's a fun little game, but so far I'm not impressed. It feels like a Turok with better physics.

They employed a number of tricks in the renderer, like skipping dynamic lighting on huge walls, to make big areas faster to render. This allows for more varied areas, at some loss of visual cohesion.

And it's interesting to realize that Unreal had a "storytelling through PDAs" mechanic long before Doom 3. 
 
I always suspect that people who found Quake 2 to have a boring or samey theme can't have gotten very far through the game. 
Quanreal 
Unreal is great, I still play it every now and then, although the level design can be frustratingly obtuse in that way that no one has the patience for any more. I haven't played quake 2 since the 90s and doubt I ever will again. I just found it dreary.

Note: they ruined the atmosphere in Unreal with an update that changed all the weapon sounds to loud, ugly versions that ruin the soundscape. You can find a mod that restores the sounds to the original versions. 
Correction 
If I remember right...if you're using patch 227, then the old weapon sounds are available in the mutators menu. 
 
Sounds like you're playing Unreal through UT? 
Nope, Just Patch 227i 
patch 227i is an "unofficial" patch for Unreal Gold. I think it's essential if you want to run the game with any sort of vaguely modern hardware. The old sounds are just a nice bonus. 
And... 
in just 658 days, Quake's more colourful (gayer?) cousin, Unreal, will be 20 years old too... 
 
I should still have the original Unreal stored away somewhere. As far as I can remember, I only played it once and didn't like it all that much. I may have to dig it out and give it another try.

I know a lot of people didn't like Unreal 2, but I played it through several times and didn't think it was all that bad. 
Unreal 2 
I never played Unreal 2, because it got some pretty bad reviews, and also it was made by the guys who did the Return to Na Pali expansion for Unreal 1, which I thought was pretty poor. 
Using 226 Here 
on Unreal Gold (no UT, i haven't tried to use Unreal on UT yet and don't know how) and works perfectly, so it runs in ''modern'' hardware. On the other side, i am not using a laptop (which tend to have more problems with older games in my experience) and the OS i use has a decade, which could explain it.

About the game itself, for me I played it one year ago again, and i remember it being good overall, highlighting ambiance (that first part inside the spaceship was godly to me back when i played it on 199x), music and some enemies, but just lacking in the layout side on several parts (too many corridors and linear layout), the brushwork seems more ''squarish'' and ''blockish'' in the base and temple parts than in Quake, and that while the weapons are good for DM, and are nicely designed individually and very well differentiated, as a whole feel like they are a bit weak, maybe because how elusive and powerful half the enemies in this game are, i still don't know. 
Weak Weapons In Unreal 
Yeah that was a turn-off for a lot of people. I think they attempted to compensate for the (presumably performance-driven) very low enemy count by making all the enemies massive bullet sponges (a bad idea). I never minded the slightly sucky combat because the environment and atmosphere was so incredible to me at the time.

It's also another reason I hate the updated weapon sounds - they made all the guns sound like you're launching Tomahawk missiles at the enemies, but then they still do as much damage as flicking a damp bit of tissue paper at them :p 
#27 
After playing some more I noticed the same: The combat in Unreal gets boring due to enemies having too much health.

Also, the enemies have no rhythm and no speed variation. They move around like they're adrift, which looks really bad.

However, I started some DM maps to take a look, and noticed that Unreal had plenty of really impressive effects for its time. Mirrors, portals, lit liquids, really good skyboxes and plenty of refraction effects are very impressive for a 1998 game.

Also, the Nali npc secrets are fun.

When compared to Quake 2, I'd say that Quake 2 aged better due to better enemy programming and a more detailed sp level design. Unreal has more atmosphere, but with a lower level of detailing. 
Hmm 
For me Unreal wins LD-wise because of the way it seamlessly intertwines huge exteriors with interiors, has much better non-linearity and exploration, has a lot more environment themes, and lots of very memorable locations. Q2 just felt like a monotonous grey and orange trudge through a bunch of forgettable space warehouses.

Unreal's not all roses though: many of the sci-fi/spaceship levels in Unreal are tedious mazes of wank.

I agree also that the Unreal enemies kinda suck and are annoying to fight. 
It Was Made By The Guys Who Did The Return To Na Pali Expansion For Un 
Theres a bunch of well known guys behind of the Return to NaPali though

Willem, M.Worch, Kevlar? to name a few 
Return To Na Pali 
New weapons: obnoxious, ugly, oversized screen-filling embarrassments with amateurish and muddy looking skins, that had nothing to do with the art style of the original weapons, and pretty much just duplicated their functionality.

New monsters: annoying, cheap, crap things that took all the aspects that were bad about vanilla Unreal's enemy movement and combat, and made them ten times worse.

Level Design: I actually can't remember if it was good or not, but I think it was the least bad thing about the game. Seems to have included a lot of areas that were cut from the original, and new levels that were similar / made in the same style to the original levels.

I'd be up for trying it again if there's a mod that replaces all the new shit weapons and enemies with ones from vanilla. 
 
I found my Unreal box. I assume the disk is in it but I didn't check because I also found SiN and I might try to play that instead. I only vaguely remember it. I certainly didn't play it more than once and may never have actually finished it. I do remember stupidly long loading times for saves. Maybe that'll be tolerable on a modern computer with an SSD, or maybe it won't run at all. 
Hmmm 
do we need a "1990s - The Golden Age of FPS" thread? 
Unreal 2 
Unreal 2 getting flak was a typical "they changed it, now it sucks" situation. It was a completely different game compared to the original.

Not saying it was perfect, but it was a decent story-driven FPS with impressive visuals. 
 
do we need a "1990s - The Golden Age of FPS" thread?

Isn't that what this entire forum is about? 
 
Q2 just felt like a monotonous grey and orange trudge through a bunch of forgettable space warehouses.

This touches on a remark I made above: you can't have gotten too far through the game if that's the impression you took away.

OK, it's true that the first two units are well-described by what you say, but after that the units become much more varied. 
 
Doom 3 has a similar problem: technically, the themes are different, but the levels are constructed in such a way that it all feels about the same. 
I Beat Q2 Multiple Times 
I will always defend it but ffs pretending it was anything other than utilitarian spaces with lighting that is either gray, orange, occasionally blue, and white maybe once in the mines unit, is just typical mh contrarian trolling.

Even the dedicated "outdoors" level was just a single linear path. Boom what a varied unit! 
 
This touches on a remark I made above: you can't have gotten too far through the game if that's the impression you took away.

Hehe. I played the game through twice, back to back - first on normal and then on hard. It didn't really matter what the fiction said "this is a jail, this is a sewer, this is a factory, etc etc.", the entire game was just a homogeneous, seamless flow through a series of grey chunky concrete, and concrete-like metal, interior spaces. I don't even remember it having any iconic scene-setting exterior landmarks. (even Quake 1 had plenty of cool castle frontages that stuck in the mind). 
 
And yes, Doom 3 suffers from the exact same problem.

On that subject, I really cringe when I hear Carmack lamenting about how "random" and "unplanned" Quake 1 was, talking about the mish-mash of themes as if it's a bad thing. Seeing what happens design-wise when they have more of a focus (Quake 2, Doom 3)...yeah I know which id software I prefer. 
 
I don't even remember it having any iconic scene-setting exterior landmarks

Oh come on, we surely can't be talking about the same game?

http://i64.tinypic.com/11j0irm.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/4t7rc9.jpg 
 
Well, I remember the palace entrance. It's the first thing that pops into my mind whenever I see discussions like this one.

Typically, it's also the last. :) 
 
The Palace entrance is the obvious one.

The power plant with the explosions going off above the two huge chimneys.

The hangar map with the huge shaft, the Hornet boss in it, the lights going up the shaft, the top doors that close, then out to the Black Hole Generator in the next map.

The train in the Lost Station (it doesn't always have to be outdoors, you see).

All the places with towering architecture and fascist banners. Faces and crossed fists. Opulent carpeting. Brickwork. I could literally go through every map and pull out other examples that are being ignored, but maybe it would be "just typical mh contrarian trolling", eh? 
 
This is the thing though, and yes you can step through Doom 3 in the same way, and say things like "but Delta Labs is totally different to Recycling" etc, and be correct to a certain extent, but.... the overall impression of the game, the impression that most people come away with, and how they think of the game when they look back on it, is one of overall homogeneity. 
 
Doom 3 has a similar problem: technically, the themes are different, but the levels are constructed in such a way that it all feels about the same.

There are tons of architectural motifs that are repeated ad nauseum throughout all the maps, which contributes to the sense of everything all blurring together. I swear 90% of the brushes in Doom 3 are pipes, railings, and slatted steps. 
 
My memories from playing the game in 1997-1998 era:

The cooling facility (and the other waste processing levels) impressed me the most. Probably because it's the stroggified expansion of the wind tunnels theme from quake 1.

The jail level was cool, though it lacked variety. But it did have big heavy stone shapes and oppressive angles that I liked.

The big shaft with the hornet boss was cool/memorable as mentioned above.

The low gravity space level was a cool moment even though I think it was pretty basic architecturally.

And the very first level of the game is pretty memorable since it was the demo and established the iconic quake 2 base theme. 
Both Q2 And D3 
Have a sense of place that is fairly immersive and makes progression pretty fun imo. Quake lacks this somewhat. 
 
Quake has less of a sense of "journey" because the levels are more self-contained. I'd never consider quake less immersive than Q2 / D3 tho. 
Doom 3 
Feels very "padded" to me, with particular emphasis on the stretch from the Intro map through to Delta 4. After that it does tighten up a lot and we get good variety (but not enough of it) with the excavation site, the caverns, the ancient ruins.

But it could have done without at least 2 maps in each of Alpha and Delta labs, and some of the other areas that are two maps (Communications, Recycling) would have been better as a single map with the fat trimmed.

A bit more outdoors, a bit more Hell, a bit more ancient ruins to expand things out again and IMO it would have been a much more enjoyable experience. 
 
The first Quake displays the same sympthoms, TBH. It even has the reputation of a game that's entirely brown (although ironically it doesn't have a lot of actual brown). 
Variety 
If you were to compare Doom 3 to one of it's contemporaries, Half Life 2, I think there's an interesting contrast. The change in environment in HL2 goes hand-in-hand with change in combat. In order the main combat sections went:

Canals in urban area (on foot, low powered weapons vs combine)
Canals in outlying area (in boat, long helicopter chase)
Creepy abandoned town (zombies vs gravity gun and traps)
Coast road (in a buggy vs combine and antlions)
Prison (on foot with antlion allies or Alex)
City 17 (leading squads vs combine with Striders)
The Citadel (super gravity-gun)

It wasn't just the environment which was fresh, it was the gameplay too, and the interaction between place and gameplay reinforces that. I'll admit I haven't played Doom 3 as much as Half Life 2, but the combat all blurred together like the environments, the only parts that I remember feeling different were the bits where you were outside with limited oxygen. 
 
I think anytime you recall levels or missions from a single game there's a tendency to want to believe they all looked the same, because in a way they do.

Most games are made with a specific overall "style" from the beginning. I think this is called "art direction".

But if you actually go back and replay those games you see that they were in fact made up of many unique and interestiong locations. 
 
When you can only see it on your second/third/tenth playthrough, well, I don't think it's merely art direction. 
 
Most games are made with a specific overall "style" from the beginning. I think this is called "art direction".

I tend to be more interested in the artist that paints a variety of landscapes equally well, rather than that guy that only ever paints oak trees with a horse standing underneath. 
 
personally, I just can't get enough of horses under oak trees :D 
Peaceable Kingdom 
I tend to be more interested in the artist that paints a variety of landscapes equally well, rather than that guy that only ever paints oak trees with a horse standing underneath.

But what if there was also a lion and some cows too? 
Bluff Ever Smoke 
roger dean still waits for my U1maps thanks to the broken editor. 
 
Goddamn, I love all that 70s style of fantasy art by people like Roger Dean and Rodney Matthews.

A colourful, modern take on Unreal 1 that looked like that, would be better than all those desaturated grey/brown greeble games that the Unreal engine just turned into a factory for. 
Desaturated Grey/brown 
But... 
 
Yeah for some reason during the unreal engine 3 cycle, every game had a complete hard-on for sticking a post-process filter on that sucked the colour out of everything in the scene and made the whole screen the same hue. It made Quake look positively colourful. 
 
Honestly, the Quake games were a lot more colourful in comparison to the GoW games and UT3 etc...

http://i.imgur.com/y5464dA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VhFJVNh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/U5DjHke.jpg 
 
quake's colors are fairly saturated. They're certainly not garish or even vibrant, but they're not as dull as some make them out to be either. 
 
I like the Quake palette. Although some of the more vibrant colors weren't used all that much. 
 
Dunno, I think the Quake palette is one of the worst designed palettes I've ever seen in a game.

The pink/purple stuff was a massive waste of time, as was the cyan, yellow and bright blue lines.

And of the colours they actually use in the game, there's a ton of redundancy across the similar brown/green shades.

Ugh, such wasted potential. 
Eh, I Think It Worked Most Of The Time... 
...the more monochromatic textures anyway.

Then there's the brown that is comprised of green and purple... that's fine from a distance, but at close range there's no way you're gonna make that look good. 
 
I've heard people saying that Quake 2 palette is better. I dunno. Maybe for amateur player skins or something.

In any case, there are uglier palettes than in Quake. 
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