|Posted by hexcalk [126.96.36.199] on 2017/01/14 07:03:30|
|I'm glad I made it to design this level within a little more over 1 month worth of time. So yeah, "Baneful Politic Comply" is yet another Hexcalk map, but the quality escalated as a response to hc0, which is now on Quaddicted. Anyway, hc2 is a e1m2-influenced short burst of 68-71 enemies and 3 secrets with three floors: one underwater; two overwater (ground). Contains curved walls and spiky ceilings.
The name "Baneful Politic Comply" was chosen because I theorized that Quake was a psychedelic anti-authoritarian political FPS. The theory is long and crazy, but the basics go like this: The protagonist is fighting to overthrow the Orwellian regime of Earth president Shub-Niggurath and accompanying vice president Chthon, who seem to only want to abuse the planet with various forms of negativity for profit. I imagine 1984 in my mind as a reference point for this theory. I love Skinny Puppy, who tend to make interesting song and album names such as "Vivisect VI", "The Greater Wrong of the Right", "Left Handshake", and "illisiT", so the title is simply word salad.
Quaketastic download link: http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/maps/hc2.zip
By its look in screenshot this is quite old school.
Less time writing political waffle, more time tweaking. The readme doesn't have the following entry:
"Thanks to beta-testers..."
And really, it should. I.e. get it tested well before release, there's a lot of obvious feedback and tweaks that would have been picked up.
I Agree With Shambler
It's nice that you commented here on beta-testing. I was going to do that, but because I was so centered on completing hc2 the testing phase didn't occur. It will happen though on post-hc2 Hexcalk maps (such as the still upcoming hc1, which definitely needs beta-testers because making a Japanese-themed map is more ambitious than an old school map).
+ Much better than HC0
+ Consistent theme throughout
+ Mostly good texture choice
+ Much better lighting
+ Having some useful water and 3D sections is nice
+ Curved metal supports, pillars, arches are good
+ Horde combat mid-way is fun
+ Decent size and progression apart from GK
Needs improving design-wise:
- No teleporter texture at end
- Lighting needs a bit more contrast
- Lots of larger brick textures are used a bit illogically, you need to think about coherent 3D structures not just slapping textures on.
- GK room is essentially a box with ledges, not a great design.
Needs improving gameplay-wise:
- Base enemy and medieval enemy together doesn't fit
- Items placed fairly randomly
- Too many armours in a row
- Water areas a bit under-used
- NO endgame after GK door
- Still pretty easy
- Having GK right next to GK door doesn't give much progression
Having said all that, this shows a lot of potential, a lot more than HC0 did! The theme is proper, the core design is mostly good and there are some fun gameplay moments. You just need to keep tweaking and testing extensively to get your maps really polished.
Demo & Feedback
Sorry if I sound harsh or something, I know English is not my mother language, but I tried my best to give constructive feedback while playing. Here is demo in normal mode, and giving my personal thoughts and points.
You don't need to take everything literally, since these are just my opinions:
What I liked:
+visuals & contrast
Indeed, I feel hc2 predicts that my maps would become really polished. The map does shows potential, and this is an acceptable future pathway.
Also fix the leaks instead of putting a big box around the map!
You're Welcome Newhouse.
One of my favorite parts of the demo is that the fiends need to live in more open spaces and higher ceilings.
Fixing the leaks is acceptable. Thanks for the advice.
Yeah, What Shambler Said
I would also add:
- source your lights;
- be mindful of your texture alignments, and pay extra care when you "cut" textures: when you have metal bolts cut in half by the geometry or wrapping around it, that's not good (a bolt head doesn't bend);
- vary enemy encounters. As it is, this map is basically a series of horde fights.
That said, it was pretty fun to mow down bunches of knights and enforcers, and this is a much better effort than the previous. Keep it up!
an authoritarian FPS.
If it's any consolation, Shambler refused to review my first release back in 1999.
And Then Ur IKBlue Map Was One Of My Favourite Releases In Recent Year
....go figure :P
Authority And Anti-Authority
Being an authoritarian FPS is not a bad thing (and can be a good thing). What was the anti-authoritarian one in the past becomes authoritarian when it gets older, and the inverse of such situation can happen. When I used anti-authoritarian in the main thread post I meant "anti-government/anti-corporation". Tronyn's post is interesting in that respect, and Shambler's one here is just as good. ;)
Fun map. I was waiting for teleportation shambler once the door is open GC, but he didn't come :(
In addition, "func_door_secret" entity can have different values of "angle" property.
Demo (skill 1) - http://cacodemon.doomer.org/quake/hc2_doomer.dem
GC -> GK
Referencing Doomer a bit. You also can add 'angles' key and give there values like -90 0 0 for example for doors to open down to up. You can give 'angles' key for: func_door, func_secret and func_button.
Play around with 'lip', it is basically offset how many pixels it leaves still open, or in some cases -negative lip value tells the door go this much (negative value) inside.
You can also make some doors stay open by using key 'wait' and value -1 there.
Interesting 'angles' key stuff. 0 -90 0 and 0 90 0 are useful and come in handy.
Don't Overcomplicate Things
"angle" "-1" = up
"angle" "-2" = down
Leave messing around with "angles" for when you're more experienced with Quake entities.
Hey Newhouse Is The Ad_jam Map Ready?
Any way hexcalk i liked the map
negke is actually a good person, and he's honest with his comments. The -1 and -2 angles are correct.
As I said earlier this year with neg2betahc, the reception here is deservedly better than that of hc0.
Thank you negke, tbh didn't know about those values.
The Good Interpretation
I was introduced to Worldcraft by the original CD version, through a friend who was a drug dealer at the time and we were both super young lol. I had previously messed around with Doom stuff but the idea of true 3d really blew my mind. The individual who introduced me immediately moved on to GTA and real jail. Anyway I just want to apologize for my random comment of being a dick: what I wanted to say was that, even if you start with bad feedback, and no chance of catching up to contemporary standards, that STILL doesn't mean you won't get anywhere - I just meant to say that as an example I did, and I think Shambler confirmed that. It depends on what you want to fight for. Spare time which could be used to make Quake maps, is worth considering.
I see. Tronyn's right. You're "good interpretation" is great. I used to play plenty of racing, puzzle, and platformer games in the 2000s, but then around the mid-2010s I moved toward games such as Quake (which can be interpreted as an authoritarian FPS, as Tronyn implied). My two brothers (one born in 1998, another one in 2004) started to play FPS back in 2009, but my parents were against them doing so until they reached the age of 17 (the 2004-born one is not 17 yet). I got into the genre around 2013, and thankfully my parents didn't oppose me on this from that time onward, so my gaming choices were more authoritarian than my brothers.
I accept the point of view that Quake is an authoritarian FPS as much as I do the same to that of Quake being anti-authoritarian, because it's fun to make theories of the plot of the game, since it has less story than Quake II. For example, not much is explained on Shub's treatment of humanity, so there is opportunity to think of the story. More backstory could be done if it were an RPG made under John Romero's direction. We know how id Software employees conflicted with Romero during the game's development, which led to him leaving the studio forming Ion Storm. The mod Nehahra has an accompanying 3+-hour-long film which does the storyline/backstory job well.
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