I made a few testmaps for hc1. One of them was titled "hc1struc" and determined the art style direction for the interior where I wanted to go. Another one of them had a "button opens door reveals enemies" trigger, and yet another one was the same as that, but with different textures.
It turns out you can upload anything again to Quaketastic. hc1's reuploaded because I forgot to change the message "implo1t dys3ngage beta" to "implo1t dys3ngage".
The reuploading process has been done again because DOOMer request ammo and health in the area around the pyramid.
In the first two uploads of hc1, there was ammo in the gold key room. Now it's not there.
Nice and old school. But in the central area are a bit crowded. Secret wall must be had some differences compared to the others (I played in the beta release of the map already knew where the secret, so I went into it at once).
In the temple need of the light to be less bright. And instead of the computer opening the exit teleporter more appropriate simple button in the style of Quake.
Demo (skill 1) http://cacodemon.doomer.org/quake/hc1_doomer.dem
I made a mistake in my "Ammo." post. There is always ammo in the gold key room, and the only ammo that's there is two boxes of rockets and grenades. It was the health (not the megahealth) that was taken out of the room and into the outdoors area. One of them became a normal non-rotten health item.
Thanks for the comment, it is honest. I just quickly made an alternative version of the map with a button instead of a computer and less bright light in the temple/shrine. It's "implo1t dys3ngage Extend", and is part of the 3-level compilation "implo1t dys3ngage Extend" (hc1extnd), which includes the first two released (post-beta) versions of implo1t.
Quaketastic download: http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/hc1extnd.zip
Small bug in new version - a buttons is can be multiple pressed. For make only once press, you must set -1 as value for "wait" property of the "func_button" entity.
Sorry did not notice this in previous version.
Agree. Nice job identifying the bug.
Maybe next time betatest the map for longer than 4 hours.
Yes, just simply bugfixes about the buttons in hc1 and hc1extnd.
Quaketastic download: http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/hc1bugfix.zip
Hexcalk, I'll have to say you are showing improvement as although there are flaws to this map it is a much MUCH more coherent design.
I liked the setting, I haven't really seen that in Quake maps so that was refreshing. I actually felt like I was in a little shrine or temple with the way you designed the connection to the rooms.
-Lighting needs major work, a lot of this almost appears full bright.
Try to sync point lights with actual light sources in your map. Then add filler lights to brighten up illogically dark areas.
Combat encounters are arbitrary with monsters just placed for the heck of it. The start of the map has the worst example where the player can just see 4 death knights just staring blankly into the distance. The final battle also has this probably where it is just a hodgepodge of mid-high tier monsters staring at the door. You may want to consider creating ambushes or making it appear that monsters are not just sitting there from the start.
Running down a hallway, could force a once locked door to burst open with an angry ogre behind for example. Sure it takes more effort but the dynamic element that is not present only enhances the map. Test your map and think to yourself: What would make this section more entertaining? Try to persist with this question on every aspect of your map until you can't anymore!
Keep it up, but there is no need to rush on releasing maps. That can also be a potential issue as your releases start to blend in with one another. I'd rather a more polished map that takes 3x as long versus 3 sloppier maps.
Taking A Look At The Source
First of all, "daylight" is not a worldspawn key for sunlight.
Try this for worldspawn keys:
_sun_mangle 150 -70 0
You'll see that the sky textures will cast "sunlight" and even provide some shadowing made from your main building.
Also, with sunlight properly enabled, you could remove the hundreds of point lights you have outside. The point lights that are there are so close together that there is almost no definition to the lighting. This is where the fullbright visual happens.
Seriously, enter the sunlight values for your worldspawn, remove all of those point lights floating in the sky and then check the map out!
As for the interior, the light pollution is also pretty bad. Just remove some point lights and see the difference. It is okay to have some dark corners and such. A good place to hide an ambush if you think about it!
Not much to say about your comments here. Simply put it, they're superb. Totally agreeable. In my future maps, lighting needs to be less fullbright and the enemy encounters must become more varied. I'll spend time polishing hc3 with these thoughts in mind.
Hc1: Implo1t Dys3ngage Extend Again
Another new version of hc1, "implo1t dys3nage Extend Again" is out now. Improved lighting, and sunlight.
Quaketastic download: http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/hc1extndagain.zip
You should release your maps in the Betas thread first instead of making multiple updates, and make a news post only for the final release.
You might also wanna dispense with the 13375p34k titles.
Yep, I realize I should do this Beta thing instead of so many updates of the same map in quick succession, then save the final version for the News post. Also, I'll go ahead with making 13375p34k titles happen less frequently (if not entirely shelved).
What fucking planet am i on?
I think you're referencing the epilogue part where I speak about aliens and deities in the universe. Felt like you're asking a question of what planet you're on, let it be extraterrestrial or terrestrial. The truth is though, you're on Earth. Was that question a joke or not a joke? I'm curious, thanks for commenting.
I Update My "@mukor" Comment.
Hi again, I'm clarifying my previous post in this thread. Esther told me that mukor was teleported to an extraterrestrial planet to meet with aliens and deities because he actually read the epilogue of the hc1 readme, in which I thanked goddesses such as Hikari, Esther, Misaki, and Saotome for purifying the universe so that truth and love are encouraged to be the norm. The epilogue (particularly the note at the end) was a statement of possible truth regarding Earth and the universe, so this encounter was meaningful. He was moved back to Earth after the meeting.
The CIA tried to infect my laptop with malware in response to the text file's information on deities and aliens, but ultimately this action was stopped because the CIA felt forced by the divine beings and good ETs to prepare a great disclosure.
Hikari is the universe.
Thanks for your comment, Bloughsburgh, because I expected it to happen.
I Want Some Of What He's Having
Esther told me that mukor was teleported to an extraterrestrial planet to meet with aliens and deities because he actually read the epilogue of the hc1 readme
This is only partially true. He went to another planet but not one that's ectraterrestial in the strict sense of the word. This process is called terrafusion and any given individual can use it, provided they release enough quality Q1SPs to appease the Outer Gods.
Nice. mukor was given terrafusion. I'm pleased that since Esther has unconditional love, she loves all things and beings (including Quake).
---=== SPATIAL TRANSCENDENCE IN ACTION ===---
<muk> those little match packs
<muk> like holy shit
<muk> how many people started massive fires from accidentally lighting the whole pack on fire
<muk> oh lemme just get fucking shitfaced.
<muk> oh hey i wanna smoke
<muk> i just put the match out in the drink i literally just opened
<muk> fuck me
<czg> please sober up
The Spatial Transcendence
So that's what happened basically. I'm impressed that czg was involved in mukor's encounter with deities and aliens too.
If you haven't yet, I recommend watching devs play - romero talking about making doom and also watching some great presentations on youtube under GDC home channel, just search "interior level design" "negative space / contrast" "meaningful choice" and that way you can slowly build up your fundamentals and deepen your thoughts about level design.
There is also Daz's customgamer channel and arrcee "the quake grave", you might find something you like to listen or hear more about. You just need to focus on your energy more wisely I think, and something great will happen, just remember be patient sometimes. And using beta section might be just your thing, but it is good to try find testers outside of this site too and receive different kind of feedback.
Cheers and best wishes~
Well, okay, I have already seen a video with Romero playing and talking about making Doom. I've seen a lot of videos from Daz' Custom Gamer channel and Arrrcee's The Quake Grave. I'll go ahead and watch more of those you suggested to me, Newhouse. Thanks.