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Posted by Shambler on 2017/11/14 21:26:44 |
Wonder If A Specific Retro-shooter Thread Is Warranted?
#10166 posted by Shambler [92.29.26.135] on 2017/08/27 11:32:00
It is! Separate thread because there's a lot of these sort of games, the ethos of them is particularly relevant to this board, and it's inhabitants seem to have some good varying opinions on the matter.
Quake as the eptiome as 90s action FPS:
Very direct control and physics
Simple streamlined gameplay
Brutal visceral and gory
Weird fantasy / gothic / industrial theme
Grungy, coherent graphics
Cool map designs / architecture (for the time)
Varied but consistent bestiary
Etc
(many of the above adhered to and greatly enhanced by subsequent custom content)
We all like these aspects, we all like these aspects in other games, we all want to see more of those games, possibly combined with modern graphical styles (Quake Chumpions MAPS might be an example of how far this could go) and maybe very limited modern additions (crouching? an inventory? coherent story? - but nothing that gets in the way of solid action). We perhaps want the next Quake / 90s action FPS spiritual successor...
Modern Retro Shooters:
...and lo, there's a neverending stream of modern retro games many of which are unabashedly marketting themselves as 90s action FPS spiritual successors and particularly highlighting speed, direct control, simple action, limitless violence. Do they have what it takes to hit that mark though??
Strafe
http://store.steampowered.com/app/442780/STRAFE_Millennium_Edition/
Amid Evil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo7X7b6pPng
Dusk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsu9uDMlIMM
Hellbound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyabhVn1SfQ
Apocryph
http://store.steampowered.com/app/596240/Apocryph_an_oldschool_shooter/
Ion Maiden
https://twitter.com/voidpnt
Neverdead
http://store.steampowered.com/app/681000/NEVRDEAD/
Gorescript
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpZ1Wa0OIoQ
Intrude
https://bagogames.com/intrude-review/
Hermodr
http://store.steampowered.com/app/490360/Hermodr/
Devil Daggers
http://store.steampowered.com/app/422970/Devil_Daggers/
Gibhard
http://www.gibhard.com
Revulsion
http://store.steampowered.com/app/719180/Revulsion/
Witchfire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqjNkdXT94
PLUS MANY MORE LINKED IN THE THREAD BELOW....
Without wanting to opine too much, there seems to be a general trend of possibly not hitting the mark despite some attempts to do so, with a huge variety in how much potential those attempts show, as well as how close these games are to realising the overall harmonious game quality of a typical best 90s action FPS. I.e. Some games seem to do some aspects right, but don't seem to get all the aspects in balance and appealing together.
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#222 posted by anonymous user on 2018/03/30 06:23:16
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#223 posted by mankrip on 2018/03/30 07:01:17
Shitty review. If people are going to criticize devs for not following earlier designs, they should also bash the devs of the original Doom for trashing Tom Hall's design of it.
@mankrip
#224 posted by Tribal on 2018/03/30 07:10:21
Let's bash quake because it doesn't have an axe-ogre who pisses on dead bodies =D
https://www.quaddicted.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=100
TBH...
#225 posted by Shambler on 2018/03/30 10:46:58
...that is one of the few genuine flaws with Quake.
Steam Direct Was A Mistake
#227 posted by PRITCHARD on 2018/04/08 11:16:00
Born To Be Wild Ripoff
#229 posted by adib on 2018/04/22 06:22:28
Hellbound Arena Pre-Pre-Pre-Alpha Test.
#231 posted by Shambler on 2018/05/03 11:53:07
Got generously donated a spare key for this. It is what you see in the video previously posted. One extremely simple arena with waves of enemies.
Even given those limits it is fairly flawed: disco lighting, terrible music, fairly homogenous humanoid enemies (apart from some ugly demons), a bit heavy on the hitscan enemies, and jumping feels a bit weird and abrupt. Basically feels like a Q3A mod test.
On the other hand, at it's core, it does do some crucial things right: Movement is pleasingly slick and precise, weapons feel good and meaty and distinct, and the graphical quality, if not it's execution, is totally good.
I'd say it's tentatively worth keeping an eye on, if they add a full game and better bestiary to this, and a stronger, deeper theme, it could well work.
#232 posted by Spud on 2018/05/03 12:18:22
Apparently Midair (Tribes-style shooter) is going free today, anyone have experience with it? Not exactly a Quake/arena shooter style game but Starseige: Tribes dates to '98 so it sort of counts? Maybe?
#233 posted by Joel B on 2018/05/03 19:20:21
I have a key for it so I'll dip into it at some point.
#234 posted by Spud on 2018/05/04 07:18:02
Update on Midair: tried it today, feels really damn clunky menu-wise, also seems to enjoy randomly reverting, deleting or re-locking loadout and inventory options (without refunding the in-game points needed to unlock them). Movement is really damn stiff especially if the last Tribes you played was Ascend- apparently this is a good thing, so sez the Old Timey Tribals, but I'm not a huge fan of the thrust vectoring jetpack system and the lack of natural air control at all feels gross. Uninstalled after it locked out shit I'd just unlocked without giving me the ingame credits back for it.
So
#235 posted by Jaromir83 on 2018/05/04 09:02:59
no Romero´s Blackroom in-game footage yet? next Daikatana?
The Most Gaseous Of Vapourware.
#236 posted by Shambler on 2018/05/04 11:00:01
@Shambler
#237 posted by Zwiffle on 2018/05/09 19:08:49
@Shambler
#238 posted by Zwiffle on 2018/05/09 19:08:50
#239 posted by brassbite on 2018/05/09 20:58:05
Haha, the part where the dev talks about other good retro/indie titles and shows footage of Strafe, Dusk, etc.
#237
#240 posted by mankrip on 2018/05/10 01:14:37
The "Level Design" section of their description is the best.
#241 posted by brassbite on 2018/05/10 06:14:41
He made a 2D version of Doom? When Doom already is 2D...
#242 posted by mankrip on 2018/05/11 02:41:37
Watched the Hellbound kickstarter video now.
Seriously, if a developer has a thick foreign accent, he shouldn't try to talk in a video explaining the game. Not without subtitles.
The weakest point of the Hellbound kickstarter is the same of the Hellscreen kickstarter: No classic level design at all. The Hellscreen kickstarter at least claimed to want to have classic level design (without any proof of concept), but the Hellbound kickstarter doesn't even acknowledge anything about level design; only about environment art. And none of the team members is a level designer.
Which is a bit of a shame, as the art and the music are great.
#243 posted by [Kona] on 2018/05/11 05:21:43
Art looks great if only they created an actual level for it rather than a shitty survival chunk of dirt surrounded by a lava map.
Makrip
#244 posted by anonymous user on 2018/05/11 15:55:05
i guess its the only guy in the team that can speak in English well enough for that. And that is no accent, is what happens when you aren't accustomed to speak in English. I heard people saying that its like a vampire talking, but never understood it neither never heard that vampires talked in a different way.
It loks like they don't intend to make levels and only if they are very successful with the campaign, so this will be like Devil Daggers with more money on the graphics and Serious Sam style instead of a creepy one.
#245 posted by mankrip on 2018/05/12 05:21:56
And that is no accent, is what happens when you aren't accustomed to speak in English.
I'm not a native English speaker either, and I never actually talk in English. What happens when I try are tons of mistakes, a very limited vocabulary and an extremely irregular rhythm with some words taking very long to come out. It's like I suddenly become mentally disabled.
The main challenges for people who writes in English but don't talk in English are to remember every word, every sound that they make and every vocal muscle movement (chords, lips, tongue, etc.) needed to speak those words. And to remember all of it in realtime.
The guy in the video doesn't have trouble with that. But it's very difficult for me to understand all he says.
#246 posted by lpowell on 2018/05/13 20:47:30
Played the demo of Ion Maiden. Like any other recent Doom/Build mod with tons of graphical effects etc. it's not gonna run "efficiently", but aside from that it is extremely legit stuff.
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