A bunch of people had a flame war not related to mapping whatsoever. 

Politics thread would be fine, that's what seperate threads are for, specific discussions.

I just skimmed over 40-odd posts. 

Yeah, sure. But was it entertaining?

Re: Bush - yeah, he's pretty bad. Habeas Corpus? Nah, who needs it? Fucking idiot. 

If you liked the Philosophy thread, then you might like it, but it's kind of the same "What did he say?" kind of thing, but for Coolidge. 

another dicklicking thread 

I don't remember seeing that thread... 

I have been searching all around the deep dark ends of web, looking for versions 1.4 and lower (but not 1.1a) of Worldcraft, and I simply cannot find them anywhere. Anywhere.

Does anybody know, if they even exist, where I can find and download them? 

I've got Worldcraft 2.0
Shall I'll punch the load in your mailbox? 

you ment 1.4 > 1.1a 

I'm just looking for versions 1.4, 1.3, and 1.2. I already have 1.1a, which is what I normally map with. 

why do you want these versions? 

jump to 1.6a or hammer? 

Thats all. 

is there any good user quake 2 engines ?

nothing drastic, but you know minor fixes and improved lighting and stuff. 

to be very solid and bloat free; though it runs Lazarus as its native game dll I've seen no ill effects on basic game play. 

In case any of the moderators want to make this a news post, Andrea has released a new 5-map unit for Quake 2.

http://download.jupiter.come2store.com/Andros/citadel.zip

I've only played map one so far, but it is of very high quality, perhaps the best quake 2 release since....well, 5 years maybe? 

 

http://andrearosa.bravehost.com/gallery1.htm 

I'll take care of this one, but please use the "submit news" form next time. 

what the following error in q2 is caused by :

"gunner tris.md2 has bad size header"

gunner can be replaced by boss2 or solider too depending on the level.

I was trying a custom opengl renderer which let me do a few things which stock q2 couldnt and it works fine on everything (tried a lot of custom stuff) except on the new level pack Citadel which crashes with that error. 

I imagine it is looking for gunner/tris.md2 when reading the header instead of gunner tris.md2. 

no that's the dir path, I just left the rest out by accident. 

http://tfc.duke.free.fr/coding/md2-specs-en.html

Quite interesting, but somewhat jibberjabber to me. The Citadel pack does seem to include a new Gunner, perhaps it uses a custom tris.md2 which your new opengl rendered doesn't like?

Just some thoughts, no real clue what could be wrong :( 

I found that too, but had no idea what it meant :)

I've alerted the author to it but dont know if he can fix it. Using kmquake2 for now, which is a good engine but seems to have new effects which you cant turn off and which I'm not fond of. 

There's also another useful document on that site,
http://tfc.duke.free.fr/coding/mdl-specs-en.html

By comparing the two I managed to turn the md2 exporter for blender into an mdl exporter for blender. There are still a few bugs, but it produces something you can open and fix in qME.

http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/~ajd70/mdl_export.py if you want to test it, ongoing bug hunting on inside3d.