So the impression I get from all this is we definitely want something we've already seen before with some cool shaders slapped on because totally new concepts scare us.

The impression I get is that we're all nostalgic for a great game that has never been equaled. The fact that the atmosphere and theme are dark and morbid is just an added bonus, and those are elements we've tried to create before and since Quake.

And the fear we have is that too often "something new" is just plain silly in the context of the original (or in any context, really), e.g. the movie AvP compared with Alien or Aliens. However, Rockstar did seem to get it right when they changed stuff between GTA1/2 and GTA3. 

Bleh. I think Quake needs new weapons. At least visually. I wouldn't mind having new toys to play with, and there's plenty of opportunity for cool weapons. I'm not saying Quake's weapons need to be replaced, but I'm a bit tired of the same thing all the time. Variety is good (generally.) 

The programmer Maj. Bitch designed one for Quake2 that is beyond cool. You shoot it at your opponent, it wraps around his neck and then releases a grappling hook into the cieling above, pulls the hapless victim up and then jerks the rope until the guy is dead.

Such a thing done in Quake as a hand held daemonic organism would be quite fun. 

Have no place in Quake. 

Wich engine would be used, Doom3, its evolved version i.e. Q4... or a new engine developed for the community, this option is the most difficult but is a possibility. 

I meant "...a new engine developed BY the community...". 

gattling bolt thrower...
the impact it would have on ragdolls would be so satisfying being able to pin em up ala painkiller only w/ smaller bolts 

toss it out; maybe a Half-Life mod to replace that cute little snark with something that has a lizard skull's head, shiny glowing red eyes, hisses at you and the occasional worm drops out of it. 

nice thread.

"czg's uberpost"(TM) [#24] is awesome and covers nearly everything; lots of other good points also.

further points:
[1]Tronyn [#45], basically i agree. And isnt Insomina the ultimate example [so far!] of the perfect blend of indoor areas/outdoor areas "grander scale" Q1SP map design?
[2]RPG [#51] The impression I get is that we're all nostalgic for a great game that has never been equaled. Agreed.

And all i say is:
[a]weapons same.
[b]monsters same, lose worst monsters, add 2/3 bigger, more complex, new ones to complement vore/shambler.
[c]maps/episodes basically same structure.
[d]also must keep the SPEED of quake 1 gameplay, just make the graphics a lot lot better. =) 

i think quake5 could use a stakegun. i like stakeguns. yeah. 

double thunderbolt. That would be cool. Ever notice that the Quake 1 thunderbolt is way better looking than the Q3 Lightening Gun? In fact the Q3 model just blows. 

i think any q1 successor would needs very industrial looking weapons -- lots of scratches, exposed mechanicals, moving parts...
lots of cool intricacies 

we're all nostalgic for a great game that has never been equaled

No remake is going to be able to compete with your nostalgic version of Quake because you've filled in all the gaps. When you look at an Ogre in Fitzquake do you see a non-interpolating model or do you see an Ogre and the many things that represents to you? 

A spinoff of Ikka's AMAZING "Hall of the Shambler God" map, the episode basically deals with where Shamblers come from (the birds and the bees, eh?) Elder-worldish/other styles would probably be prominent, mixing in some ruins of temples, possibly Greek/Roman in style. Other ideas to flesh out the style as appropriate, no real solid idea as to how it should actually be. Generally more open-ended maps, as Shamblers are rather big.

The final boss of the episode would be the Shambler God itself, some sort of badass mofo no doubt. I have some ideas of what he would look like, and they're all of a huge twisted Shambler with a bunch of mouths coming out of different body areas (shoulders, chest, hands.) But then again, maybe not.

The thoughts popped into my head of what a Quake V episode could be. 

I think you are very close to that unquantifiable element that makes a game immerse you or not. I have felt much more drawn into Quake 1, System Shock 2, Deus-Ex and even Quake 2 then I have in Unreal II and Painkiller despite thier graphical superiority.

I have wondered if I am just becoming bored with gaming. But then I played the Winter Map pack released not so long ago and I wasn't bored of this old game.

Pushplay may be onto something if there is something in your subconscience that draws you to certain titles - that it is more then the sensory fidelity of sound, physics and rendering in games.

Would it be a stretch to say that games attract people with more then the average level of imagination? If your imagination is not worked along with your reflexes and problem solving brain matter, do you lose interest in it? If everything is presented to you by the game or if you don't get a moment of reflection within the game world, are you losing a chance to bond with the title?

My mind wanders more when I play Q1 then with most other games. In fact, the games I like most are the ones in which you have time and a place to let your mind wander as you play. Tightly scripted games like MoHAA and it's mission packs took away any spare brain and had you playing like it was a job - forcing you along it's predetermined path and at the cadence the designers wanted.

Does this make sense? 

the last two paragraphs in particular make perfect sense and its going into my print pasted work book along with CZG's post for this topic and Kell's advice on difficulty levels quite a while back in time.

Despite being an old title, Quake is a visual feast. Tonight I have been playing [Kona]'s Permutations of the Rotten. Now, the game play I am not too crazy about because of the confusing lay outs and arcade monster symmetry but man did he nail down a sensuously gritty atmosphere with this title. Wow.

He doesn't go outside of the Quake texture set in this one but uses a contrasting combination of metal, brick and morter textures and the results are striking.

I'll add this to what you said about the Quake player filling in the gaps with his imagination and so the game tends to attract a certain type of player.

Every Quake level is a physical narrative that tells its own story. It uses the barest of verbal ques and it doesn't push you into what the almighty level developer has in mind for you to learn from it. So, naturally, you fill in the details. 

Here go some thoughts about the matter.
I'd like that it was make a reality... but i know it's quite difficult.

Monsters:

There should be the same original monsters from Quake plus new ones that'd fit perfectly in the Q1 style.
About their AI, i think it should be as Shambler has said.

Weapons:

The same weapons, about adding new ones i'm not sure here, i think not, but it's always possible that an awesome new weapon perfectly suitable for Q1 was designed and then what?, who knows.
Of course, they shouldn't need to be reloaded, it's not the Q1 style.

Storyline:

There should be an argument, i'm not very exigent here, it's only to have something at least, an Stallone's film alike argument should be enough =).
You know, something like you need to get the four dimensional keys keeped by their respective four Demons(Bosses), in order to open the sealed dimension where the Final Boss is.

Levels:

Basically the same styles as Quake1, with new textures, shaders, and i also think that some type of slighty evolution keeping the coherence
wouldn't hurt.
Levels also shouldn't be linear and i'd add the possibility and necessity in some cases of back to a previously fully or not fully played map.
Another idea is that to complete a block of 4 levels for example, could be done not only in a secuencial order 1-2-3-4, but for example something like 1-4-2-3. It's just an idea.

Engine:

This new version of Quake must conservate the same speed as the original, i'm not sure here if an engine like D3 could do that in the cases when you fight against 2 ogres, a vore, 6 zombies... all together you know, those dearly familiar meetings typical of Quake1, i think with the actual hardware, D3 can't handle this situation as fast as Q1.
But in the case that this project was a reality, it'd take at least two years, and the hardware available in two years will eat an engine like D3, so i suppose that those "magical ends of party" should be possible.
Also, it could be developed using the D3 engine
and ported at the end to a new engine developed for the community, or as a mod for the new game Id would release. 

for the love of god, no frelling sprinting!!!
just have a run speed (and walk if you want).
also, falling damage should be limited to something small and constant (ie: 5) to give more freedom for mappers and make gameplay faster and more crazy and fun.

those times where you jumped out of the way of a fiend leaping at you only to fall 30 meters down into a pit full of zombies is what makes quake so much fun. no cautious playing -- dump the player into situations and let fast thinking and swift decisions win. :D 

what Necros said... Q1 wouldn't be Q1 without that! 

evil leveldesigners that know how to express that they're evil and want the player to die. 

Monsters:
There should be the same original monsters from Quake

Storyline:
There should be an argument

Levels:
Basically the same styles as Quake1

Engine:
This new version of Quake must conservate the same speed as the original

You want FitzQuake and a few new maps with custom monsters basically. 

sounds good! ^_^ 

You want FitzQuake and a few new maps with custom monsters basically.

Improve the edict handling capacity of FitzQuake, and we're cooking. With gas! 

Actually, FitzQuake's edict limit seems ok now (1000 in v0.8 yes?), just bump up static ents, sound/model capacity, and stop those flippin' packet overflows.

THEN we're cooking. 

i'm kind of an idiot, but i like playing quake a lot too, i don't know that i use my imagination a lot or if i just play sort of automatic... or something. but sometimes i think during play.

blah you get the non-point.

gotta have a bunch of those um... the blue bouncing biters, forming a man-sized creature that throws them at you and they separate from it when it's damaged... muhaha.

alright ill stop corrupting the good chat.