It's pretty and nice and inspired and detailed.

but
a) I got lost so much. Reminded me of the chapters maps, "he falls like lucifer" and "false esteem".
b) in very many places I had fps ~40. maybe it was too hard to do vis blocking or something or it's just so detailed, don't know. Please, think of the children.

What was the room in the waterway (left from start) with a red orb. Making funny sounds when you shot? Was that supposed to be echo?

I really dig the art direction, the knave textures, the monsters and their weapons and the sounds and everything in this whole thing. 

Great work, guys. Good effort on the new monsters. I'm picky when it comes to them though. Noticed some bugs, but I won't go into all that. I'm sure you'll get plenty of helpful reports.

The gug is a great baddie. As I told Kell during playtesting, I liked him enough to have wished he was mine (even if I think he's tad slow.. giving him some oomph in his chase could have made him even more menacing).

The new start map and e1m1 remake. What can I say. Totally cool. It made me feel warm and fuzzy!

Red777 is sweet, as it was when I playtested. It has a level of 'class' to it not often seen, and difficult to replicate.

Necros: Loved ne_marb*. I loved the feel. Classic scrumptious vibes to those maps. ne_marb brought my mind back to when I was playing Doom. Kudos. I haven't enjoyed myself in a released map this way in a long while. Nice atmosphere. I dare say it's one of my favorites, if for no other reason the response it caused in me. Loved it. 

You are welcome to use my links as "official" file locations btw. Of course I cannot promise to be as steady as Fileplanet is, but I think direct download > possible linkchange somewhen in the far future. My intention with the File Archive is to get rid of as many QuakeSP related Fileplanet links as possible ;)

Halfway through red777 I guess, I am very impressed so far. Monsters that walk through teleporters... Awesome! And deadly annoying sometimes :D 

If you're wanting an FGD file for the Quoth content, I could probably sort one out for you pretty swiftly. Though I'm not a Quake 1 mapper as such (due to me never actually getting anything finished and released, heh), I know the FGD format and Q1 entity properties more or less inside out, so it shouldn't be much trouble to set up a file for the Quoth stuff; all the info I'd need seems to be there in the .def files and tutorial documents. Interested? 

than: i think one of the reasons Bob may seem to hard is because he wasn't really designed to fit in as a starting monster.
our attempt with bob was to expand the base monsters into more than just low level monsters.
Bob is intended to be a mid-range monster, similar in difficulty to, say, a fiend. The problem is that besides the ne_basetest map i built, we didn't have any completed maps that had a base theme to put the monster in.
So we had to make do with using e1m1rmx as a base (hehe :P) platform to show off bob.

More likely encounter scenarios involving bob would probably have the player with the SNG.

still though, i do agree he is slightly more difficult to kill than normal monsters. i think that may partially be because he got less testing than the other monsters and because i'm a pretty good player. he actually moved a fair bit quicker than he does now before, but kell made me tone him down.

re: the gug, what exactly is it that makes the gug's attacks feel cheap?
is it the screenshake/quaking movement aspect, or just the fact that it's damage is not easily avoidable (though mitigation is simple enough)?

keep in mind, this monster is supposed to be a fair bit above the shambler in terms of difficulty so a fair bit of health loss is expected whenever fighting them.

as far as the gug's ranged attack being difficult to dodge, that is more of a matter of getting a feel for the monster. here's a hint though. his attacks lead you slightly. also, his prefire animation is decently long. Try tricking him into leading you in the opposite direction that you want to head in. ^_^

MC: actually, i'd be very interested in hearing about bugs. we tried to get rid of them all, but as usual something is bound to slip through. you (and anyone, really) can email bugs to me or kell to fix in future iterations.

Spirit: Totally awesome! ^_^ links added-- cheers, dude! :) 

a very good mod. Nice new baddies. Especially that flying imp (don't know their names, I was killed only by Death Lord and of course by Gug).

Kell's map is awesome. I think it's the best knave map among the others. I found 10/14 secrets there, it was fun. Interesting layout providing a lot of exploration. Those flying erd globe looked great and fitted the theme very good.

Necros' rats map was strange. I wonder if the GL was there. I didn't find it, but managed to finish the map without killing any zombie.

Necros' marb map(s) were good. Nice style and awesome looks in the end. Something unusual.

It was really worth 2.5 hours of download =) 

the plasmagun gibs zombies. ;) 

I played a bit on ne_deadcity with cheats since I am stuck in red777 at the moment...
There is an unkillable and "shootthrough" zombie now. Take a look at this savegame and you'll know what I mean:
http://www.quaddicted.com/stuff/temp/quick.sav

(It's from Darkplaces, but I think it should be no difference?) 

I think it�s a bug in Quake, also happens to me sometimes in dmsp.You have to reload or restart the map.

To Kell/Necros:
Awesome pack, I already enjoyed chapters a lot, and this is even more of the good stuff.
Great to see some new, challenging monsters.
One thing bugged me though: I started with ne_marb, played ultra-cautious, arrive at the end, get the plasma-gun, but I can�t switch back to it, have to kill the gaunts with sg and get killed by the droles. You cannot imagine how pissed I was !

So please, what is the impulse for the plasma-gun? It�s not 226/225 for the SOA-weapons ? 

is awesome! 

that should have been mentioned on the quoth site, sorry about that.

the select impulse for the Plasmagun is impulse 250.

you can also use the cycle weapon forward and back commands to select it. 

while were on this topic, the bomb selection impulse is impulse 251. 

Had a poke around looking at everything, very nice work guys! The monsters seem pretty well balanced, without the power creep that you usually see with custom stuff. Obviously the gug is on the powerful side, but that's clearly the intention : - ). Played through the new maps too, liked all the rooftop views in red777 and the end to ne_marb especially.

Also, somebody in this thread mentioned that the death knights were kinda hard to tell apart visually. Would you guys like another knight model for use in a future version? I've got one that's modelled and skinmapped but not yet skinned right now. If you want it, I'd probably leave the burden of skinning it to you guys, so that it's more likely to fit in to the quake/quoth style, but I can probably get it animated. Looks something like this:
http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/~ajd70/knight.jpg
although use your imagination a bit, it's not a serious attempt at skinning it :- ). 

Bugmenot.com FTW 

great great pack love the penaples guy :) rockzzzz very well done... like the test maps of kell as well, the new monster�s rockzzzz good job!!! 

nice additions, most of it works nicely.

map wise, Red777 - impressive, especially the outdoor section. Immaculately textured and lit but the layout is not very good and quite confusing and crampy.

ne_deadcity - map could have been built better but nice gameplay. too plain in the looks department.

ne_marble - classy, similar brushwork to deadcitry in parts but overall execution a lot better. Plus it had those really cool looking set piece areas. And I swear the very start bit had me fooled into thinking there was some coloured lighting implemented.

Excellent gameplay too.

Top work, I hope other mappers use this stuff, though I can envisage some truly evil gug scenarios. 

i played with fitz... i spied the pak including some tga's... are they 24-bit? Not constrained to quake palette? 

yes, they are (in some cases) directly out of the doom wad file, so the colours are true to the original (if you play in glquake, you'll notice that the actual palette doesn't respond well to doom marble and looks more yellow, like some fiend went and pissed all over the walls...)

the red-shifted textures actually turned out ok in the quake palette, but i included them as tgas for consistency.

it was nice to work with the tga textures to get a nice vibrant green feel to the map (it made that one unreal rock texture really come alive). i think i might do this more often, as it lets me explore themes that haven't before appeared in quake. 

So... nobody cares about us lowly WC mappers. Just kidding.
I.W., if you read this - I know I would appreciate it if you would make up an fgd file for Quoth. I'm sure other budding mappers without an understanding of the fgd's nature would also appreciate it. 

i think i need a qrk file :) 

kell is working on one, actually. 

Sorry, I have made headway with it. I started quite well at the beginning of the week, but then fatigue and formatting got the better of me and my brain came out my ears. I've spent the last few days poking it back in with a pencil.
I'll hopefully have a finsihed .fgd for the weekend. 

Could the following be done:

You start in a hub with a choice of 3 paths to take. As you take each path, and return to the hub, the entrance to that path is blocked. Once all 3 paths have been completed, a new set of 3 paths open. Once they are explored, the final path is opened and you play the final map. 

Yes, in the privacy of my head, that makes sense. You could do that. However, having '3 then another 3' is not inbuilt functionality. You'd need to achieve that effect with the 3 info_mapgates also firing at a trigger_counter ( which has a "count" of "3" obviously ) and the trigger_counter then fires to open up access to the other 3 entrances. 

the new monsters are nice, though i'm still not sure about the gug - it looks kind of strange (maybe it's the head...), but i like the earthquake when it falls to the floor. knight variations are good, too. i can't comment on the base monsters so much, atm.
the chapters monsters rule anyway.
the plasma gun model (or rather its skin) doesn't fit.

necros: deadcity was okay, but i got stuck in one corner behind the stargate teleporter ring and had to noclip out.
marb was great - the doom textures look good, very detailed and all, even though i had the impression they make the map look a little like candy or something?! nice to see some decent rotation again; the lift before the end was nice, too.
one 'monster can't find target' error once.

kell: cool testmaps.
red777 rules! so big and detailed, and soo many clever secrets (of which i only found 5 at first :/)! i wished for more monsters, though.
i can't think of anything else to say - likely this map is just prefect in many ways.

kellcros: in most of your maps 'wallmonster in wall' warnings appear when monsters are spawned. it doesn't affect the gameplay afaik, but still the messages suck. is this related to the spawn code?