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Romero is posting a lot of unseen Doom things at https://twitter.com/romero
@SimsOCallaghan tweeted a useful table of Quake weapon statistics.
https://twitter.com/SimsOCallaghan/status/542691212222685185 *sound of wind blowing trees*
Faint clicking of mfx in the very far distance.... Would one of the i3d lurkers please kick FrikaC's ass to re-enable my account on the i3d forums? (Any of lth, lth_, or _lth_
Ta. BTW Hello. I have been replaying some of my favorite 2014 Quake maps, and I noticed a trend in Skacky's excellent output. I think he deserves praise for other things beside his top notch mapping skills, and I feel I need to point this particular thing out. There is just something that stands out right from the start in three of his map jam maps.
http://imgur.com/a/EuTQR (I kid, because I love the maps.) I registered a new account. I have posted as Pekka previously, and I'll be now known as primal here. You could tell this from the IP addresses too, but I might as well admit it openly here.
I also got myself a Twitch account. I managed to stream game audio and good quality video successfully after a few not-so-good attempts. I have a few cosmetic issues to fix, which I will try to do in the coming days. I'll also see if I can get a microphone working some day. In other words, I am not streaming seriously yet. I am http://www.twitch.tv/mr_primal/ If you have a couple of minutes to spare, please check out the highlighted bit of Quake and tell me if there are any other significant problems with the video apart from the weird aspect ratio. That wasn't intentional. I'm using simplescreenrecorder to stream on Linux. It was my first time using it. I'll write a few words later about how things work out, streaming from a Linux computer, and what kinds of streams I'm planning in the future. Being able to see the game window and title bar is very distracting. I don't know what limitations you are facing in your streaming app but if you can fix that it will help a lot.
Audio seemed fine. If you are using a mic at the same time then you want to turn your game audio down to around 20-30% or people won't be able to hear you on the stream. Microphone audio quality is super super important for streaming. If you have horrid background noise or bad quality mic then people won't want to watch your stream. Take the time to test lots of different things and find out what sounds best. Matthias Worch (Beyond Belief) is starting a new stream where he talks about the level design of his Doom / Quake / Industry maps. First stream starts about nowish :) -- http://www.twitch.tv/mworch
Daz, thank you for the feedback and the tips. It turned out the title bar ended up in the video because I forgot to update some data when launching the program for the second time. Used properly, the app does the right thing.
yo... what is this:
http://grooveshark.com/#!/search/song?q=ZhayTee+Get+in+the+Vat i found it in my quake folder................. I've had a wonderful year playing all the content this community has produced! It's been a very productive year and it's great to see new faces on the scene also. Merry Christmas you beautiful bastards.
I've had a wonderful year playing all the content this community has produced! It's been a very productive year and it's great to see new faces on the scene also. Merry Christmas you beautiful bastards.
I've had a wonderful year playing all the content this community has produced! It's been a very productive year and it's great to see new faces on the scene also. Merry Christmas you beautiful bastards.
I've had a wonderful year playing all the content this community has produced! It's been a very productive year and it's great to see new faces on the scene also. Merry Christmas you beautiful bastards.
Forget smartphone releases, this is the new cool way to play Quake:
http://www.lofibucket.com/articles/oscilloscope_quake.html Pretty sure you just extract with directories into the same folder quake3.exe is in. What's the error?
and has been replaced by regret, cynicism, and a stark, tangible awareness of one's own mortality.
I got a girlfriend and then all mapping ceased.
We've broke up recently and I'm slowly toiling in my mapping cave. I dunno if I will return to doing this episode for a while. I think the restriction of making it work on the original I don't know with Quakespasm and Fritz... I can't even consider using vanilla quake limits and features.
Want to try some HL2 mods, but the steampipe update broke almost all of them, even the fixes I found don't work for some of them (Siren), does anybody here have or know where I can get the pre steampipe 2013 half life 2?
Is there a beer thread on these forums anywhere? I looked but didn't find any, but maybe it was hiding under a different/unique topic.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-06/colombian-firework-factory-explodes-in-dramatic-video/6001876
Nice camerawork here, throws you right into the action. 5stars. http://syncthing.net/ is really really cool. Especially with its full-featured Android client (yes, it syncs, it is not a dumb file browser like the competitors do).
I need someone to buy two Quake CDs off ebay for me and send them to Germany. Shipping costs are insane otherwise (I hope? The USPS website failed to tell me.). Alternatively you could scan, rip and describe them for us. Total value is ~20-30$ so no risk really. I would transfer the money via Paypal.
Looks exactly what you imagine it to look like: http://i.imgur.com/gxUPLKp.png
The national socialists and undead communists have teamed up to smash capitalism? It's every conservative pundit's worst fears realized! And only the true blooded American hero, Wolf "BJ" Einstein, can stop them!
has anyone put the entirety of Quake into a single BSP(2) yet? I know they've done the individual episodes.
I can't believe that works
I wonder if it's playable. The people who defend crunch are almost always leads, ie, the people who are most directly excused from having to do their jobs properly by the 'validity' of crunch time. That or young lifers who don't yet have families or interests outside of games who wouldn't know what to do with 100 hours of free time per week anyway. These usually go on to become leads.
Crunch is massive schedule overruns, nothing more. in any other industry it's met with the people in charge of the schedule losing their jobs. (except, of course, in US government contracting.) I recently ran across someone who told me about Bully at Rockstar. 18 hours a day for 2 years. That's a soul destroying crunch - and he happily defended it. He said it was hard work but we should all be grateful to have jobs doing what we love, so it was worth it.
He got a completion bonus that was enough to buy a whole new car. I couldn't fucking believe it. A new mid-range car for 2 years of my every waking hour? Die in a fire. I spend 10 hours a day in a call centre... then I come home and spend about 18 on my computer making maps.
Pretty certain I could crunch for 2 years, though I'd want money to be flowing like water. It's different when you can't leave and you have to work on what you're being told to work on. It sucks. Hard.
I worked at a company for 6 years - spent probably a total of 2 of those years in evenings + weekend crunch time, and it was unpaid overtime, all the time.
I don't know of many games companies in the UK that actually pay overtime. I'd rather work a steady low paid job where I'm not treated like a slave.
Like I said, the money would have to flow like water. The last place I worked actively discouraged overtime. They knew that guys like the one Willem describes actively sell out the guys that come after them by being so utterly willing to strike such a losing bargain, and that such an attitude eventually becomes poisonous company culture.
Of course, they're closed now, as is the place Scampie and I worked before that which also discouraged overtime, so, there's that little data point.
It's hard to find a good spot in this Industry.
I've been working for almost 8 years now, I must have worked a total of 2 saturdays, and no more than 4 months of paid crunch (in time off usually, and it was usually soft, like 2h extra every evening). I feel really fortunate about it. The hardest thing is finding a good lead. The company where I currently work does quite a bit of crunch at times, but my team's lead is well organized and manages to avoid most of it for us. Unfortunately this isn't always possible depending on your job, some teams are more dependant on other teams being on schedule (like character art vs environment art). ...as is the place Scampie and I worked before that which also discouraged overtime...
Still wasn't very good for my mental health, especially when afterwards I took up Raven's offer to return to their frying pan of "way behind schedule, yet still discovering what the game was"... Romero plays Doom http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/01/22/john-romero-doom-lets-play/#more-264569
Somewhat interesting. Interesting, but did they have to use that horrible engine with all those glows and blooms and weird texture filtering? :(
Also, "gib sounds" as in, djibb:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJzbE8wz1Wo&t=6m20s Eat it, Dazers / Dranners / Danzers / Dranz. Look at you guys getting a "Nautical" and stuff.
[popeye]I like the cut of you'se guy's jibs...[/popeye] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30937492
Sleepy, MFX, Spirit, Negke, etc - you guys PSYCHED FOR THIS? those who choose to sit are often referred to as a "Sitzpinkler"
I learned three german words today! In my opinion marble is a bad material choice for anything horizontal (including a table top), it's highly susceptible to any acids and oils no matter how tiny the rise in ph is, including your own sweat. Vertical (and horizontal if you're stuck with it) marble surfaces should be sealed with a special marble or stone sealant (multiple coats).
To get rid of a stain make a paste made out of flour, water and a cleaning product intended for stone (consistency of toothpaste), smear it on and let it fully dry (at least 18-24 hours) then scrape it off. The paste "Should" draw out any oils from the very porous stone. You may need to repeat for the more stubborn stains. If you want to go with the natural stone look use granite or use some man made material that looks like stone instead. The latest stuff looks fine and is much easier to maintain as well as costing less in general. (end voice of experience) Makes it nearly impossible to believe some of the pristine marble textures in Doom =/
The right to piss all over stuff! Splish sploosh, on the bathroom floor, the sink, the towels, the goddamn deo blocks, czg's beard, running down the man tits!
With scar3crow and sock: https://twitter.com/SimsOCallaghan/status/559063777908633601
re: teh sahmbler - I agree with 'bler that the skin is all wrong, but the actual shape of the model is spot on. I think these are the first "HD remake" quake/doom models that actually respect the original shape / silhouette. But yeah, the skin doesn't do anything for me
I don't even mind the skin myself, since Shamblers have never felt very furry to me. The sphincter-like mouth bugs me more.
Yes very good. I too have qualms about the sphincter-mouth (something I find rather endearing in other circumstances) but in general they are doing well.
this is the best model of shambler i've ever seen and i like the scrag too. great work
notable mention is an infantry guy You can tell from his WIPs that he's literally importing the quake monsters from
Interestingly, dragging the sphere very quickly does not yield the expected effects (big waves). I suppose that the temporal resolution is too low.
Grim Fandango in UE4!!
http://vimeo.com/116657854 There may be a bit of stompiness available. Just in case.
Czg I bet yours has scorch marks on hur hur Put real sunlight into Tyrlite and/or a Fitz engine
everybody's now talking around
can not get that hype once i've switched to GL, i've never bothered to switch back to winquake Don't make fun Lun, it was nominated for the Light Source Innovation of the Year Award at this year's Lux Awards.
Have the same miniature (different weapons, the rest is the same), but yours looks amazing compared with my lousy painting, like your chaos imperator or revenants.
How i wish i would have more people to play Epic with in my area, maybe it would give me the push to finish the painting of my army. By the way, with ruleset are you curently using, Shambler? Epic:40.000?, E:A? NetEa? NetEpic? Cheers bro. It did take me ages to paint though!
I don't actually play any of the games, I just bought this off a mate recently and got inspired to do it. This YT channel has several engaging Let's Play videos of Ziggurat. I'm watching them when not playing the game myself. But I'm sure I'll take a break after I beat Normal with just one more character :)
https://www.youtube.com/user/Retromation/videos (The guy also plays Darkest Dungeon, which I think Daz streamed a few times recently. It's not a FPS, but otherwise seemed quite interesting.) Well there we go, for anyone who was asking that pressing question, "What would the Perry Bible Fellowship be like if someone did a straight rip-off but with no humour whatsoever", that's answered it.
What's with all the links to these edgy lolrandom monkeycheese "humour" sites recently? What's wrong with good old-fashioned wit?
What's with all the links to these edgy lolrandom monkeycheese "humour" sites recently?
Yeah man, but it's like meta and shit! hey guys... new site: http://shoresofnis.com/
well, actually it's the old site but I got my own hosting. also uploaded those two mods I made as the files had dropped off the interballs. I also remember seeing another one of that map in white plain textures (don't remember the command line to achieve it right now) on the front page which showed way more of it, and maybe some more articles or images.
How about "re-entity" where you delete all entities from an id1 map and start from that, touching any brushes or textures is forbidden.
...stayed for the arse-hammer
Anyway, now let's have a look at that video fifth just posted... Wow, that's cool. But why does tarbaby have an icon of a quake guy?
But why does tarbaby have an icon of a quake guy?
Because that's how he wants to express himself, and who are we to judge? he is a tarbaby that sexually identifies as a human
watched the video, this mod looks awesome. imagine deathmatch in it! Monsters vs Rangers would have been a good game mode.
Imagine different classes, nail ranger, rocket ranger etc etc. Vs different monsters. I imagine it would be like TFC a little bit. Lunaran, you have my axe. I remember, back in the whirlwind of the years, hearing that you were a bit moody, but I would call that more just like "awesome" and "sincere." Long live sarcasm, especially as a defense against the PC-warriors. A tarbaby seems like a great symbol for this generational conflict: we are able to imagine all kinds of shit but we don't make a huge deal out of it. THEY on the other hand, troll for sympathy and extra rights, imagining that they are the centre of the universe.
Thanks Willem, I'm recovered by now. Still think millennial slacktivists are hypersensitive poser idiots, but less inclined to express that now (err wait...). Now go map!
You just sit around for eons waiting to be telefragged by a lone space marine ;)
With the little basin thing at one end and the altar in the middle?
There's no real tactics against the Nemesant's as I remember, just throw all the ammo you have at them. The bouncing lavabomb attack is goofy but does a lot of damage but the real danger is the forcewall attack. Thats the one that sucks you into the middle and then explodes. The best way to deal with it is sprint forwards, even if that sounds counter intuitive since it gets you close to the Nemesant. Which means DBS is your friend (cos I think by that point you don't have TB). If its the fight I'm thinking of then I suspect I just godded it back in the day after the Nth reload. If you don't have a decent health and armour surplus then you probably can't complete it. Its got cool sounds and ideas behind it, but the implementation isn't the best. OK, thanks. Yes, it's a minimal room with an altar. I'd need more nails and health. Might reload from an earlier save. Otherwise, godmode.
OK, so I managed the fight just by circle strafing like crazy. Turned out the Nemesant was rather squishy. But it also turned out that my char died a couple of seconds later after a fall, so very annoying end to that level IMO.
http://cdn0.lostateminor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Anti-Glamour-8.jpg
(http://www.lostateminor.com/2012/08/01/brilliantly-grotesque%C2%A0sculptures-by-anti-glamour/) https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-new-signal/
Finally proper secure messaging and voiping between iOS and Android. http://www.lostateminor.com/2012/08/01/brilliantly-grotesque%C2%A0sculptures-by-anti-glamour/ for the non-copy/paste crowd.
Those are all pretty awesome, and here's some similar art http://beautifuldecay.com/2013/11/21/francesco-albanos-body-sculptures/ and it's a nightmare compared to using TB. Sleeps has spoiled us man...
I dunno how anyone can be bothered using DB. It's a whole different game with entirely different ways of creating levels. I don't see how the 2 are comparable. For Doom levels, it would be hard to do better than DoomBuilder.
Have used Build/Mapster32 for about 15+ years and I definitely prefer Doombuilder2, which in total I've probably only put about a year or two worth messing around with it. I just find mapping is that much smoother and setting up generic actions is quick. Love it!
I'm running a surface pro, didn't really get much of a choice to be honest. I'm going to get a new pc soon but I'm not interested in super high res displays. 1080p is perfectly fine IMO.
My HD Ready TV has a native resolution of 1024x768...
I don't know shit about PC displays to be honest, been out of the loop forever, I thought 1080p was good! Anyone getting a steam machine? http://store.steampowered.com/sale/steam_machines
Probably not. I have a PC and several consoles.
Wait what the fuck are those price tags?
Will just build a PC and stick it in the corner of the living room out of the way and use Big Picture. I'd like to try the controllers at least, though my old faithful 360 controller has been going for years and still decent.
Not interested in the boxes though. And even if I were, I would just build a system for cheap and put SteamOS onto it. Isn't the point that you are streaming the content from your main machine onto the Steam Machine? Those are actually stand-alone Steam-boxes, but yeah they are pretty expensive, and mostly for people who can't be bothered to build their own really.
Hello tool gods,
In all future versions of QBSP, can you please provide a command line switch that will halt compilation if a leak is detected and a leak file has finished being written? Thanks! It's a mod I did awhile back. Basically, it's horde in Quake. Monsters keep coming and coming until you die.
They come in waves, the mod keeps score All you need to do is build an arena to fight in, place spawn points, add anything special you want to have happen between waves (optional) It comes with a full sample map It would be neat if certain mapper's arenas would also transform after x number of waves to change up the levels layout overtime.
I have seen this done to good effect in some maps for "1024" Doom wad compilations. Reading that page above, perhaps some of it could be tied into points to reward players if possible? Could be an interesting Jam honestly. Qonquer can fire events after each wave so all you have to do is hook up some func_doors or whatever to move around and it'll work.
quick hack that barely gets the job done:
http://shoresofnis.com/temp/qonquer.fgd I'd be willing to give it a shot. I don't think netradiant uses
I could try TB or Jackhammer if need be. I'm well acquainted with Hammer/Worldcraft, and TB was pretty easy to learn but I'm not too familiar with it.
Came across this on Twitter and it's kind of neat
https://github.com/shaunlebron/blinky#blinky Seems to be an extension of the stuff done by Aard's Fisheye/PanQuake, and based on TyrQuake. Much nicer wide FOVs, and a bunch of other projections just played it, I remember it well now. Not bad, but I wont be able to make a map or anything for it as I will be on holiday for a week.
I think I got the editor set up, so now I just need to learn how to map for Quake again, set up Qonquer, learn how to do that nifty new fake GI stuff and I should be good to go.
I would be quite happy to run this event if people are serious about making levels for it
K well I got my test map set up and it works and everything, so I should be ready to go on a Qonquer map jam as long as its not the weekend of the 29th.
I should have bandwidth for this, actually. I'm wrapping up my current home project soon so this would be a good thing to jump to next.
I remember that article clearly, and took it to heart as a youngster... but now realize it was bullshit.
It's not the wider brushes, it's the clean and on the grid mapping that's making the compile faster. The original map was on a 10 unit grid. If he remade the map on 8 units it would've compiled faster as well. Quake's arbitrary 'unit' size and the power of twos grid worked fine back in the day when everything was chunky and fudged, but it was based completely on programmer convenience rather than having a good scale for objects and that doesn't fly anymore. Especially since you don't even have to care about being on the grid in a modern engine.
Making everything into metric units makes a fuck of a lot more sense. 1 Unreal unit = 1 Centimeter. Everything can be sensibly scaled, and all sorts of physics can use real world numbers, and etc other things just work because you spend so much less time translating between real world units to Quake units that you don't get any real advantage from using in the first place! scampie - I mean, it could be argued that it's on a grid of 2. Which is still snapped to a grid. That's all...
Compilers don't give a Jonathan Ross about what grid the brushes are on - I imagine the main factor at work here is whether or not brushes meet each other cleanly.
Trollolololol
but back in the 90s, I would imagine it sped up bsp, as it had to do less work or something.
Or not! when you say you are wrapping up your current home project soon, is that literally 'home' project or do you mean some more home made map goodness?
Oh, I mean a scene in UE4
My fail train of bad decisions and missteps can be viewed here : http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146958 Most recent shots live here: http://www.polycount.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2266143&postcount=90 I hung it out like bait over the various artist tanks I frequent and they gave me several pages of feedback and suggestions for improvements.
Going to have to bang on this a little more... Great design, lovely, lovely. Now make the keyboard really dirty, like you know, pizzaboxes and empty coke and cigs all over..
You need it to have that greasy, sweaty tarnish that collected on the plastics of the era. On the keyboard in the centre of the keys and across the surface of the floppy.
The ring stains from the can are good, but maybe another on the surface of the desk where a too-hot coffee cup burned the Formica. Extra points if you can knock a lump out of the corner of the desk to reveal the crumbling chipboard inside. The cans look too small in their proportions - the rim should be a bit deeper, the hole a little wider (wheres the ring pull!?) and they also seem to have something off with their scale in relation to the rest of the scene, but I can't put my finger on it.
Hey there. I found something while remaking e3m2:
http://imgur.com/qisG5SH these initials i found inside a brush, they dont show up in the bsp. Anybody knows who is adressed? It means Southwest. It's one of those old 'map' things, such as putting dragons off in the void, and doing projections that make the player start area seem larger and more important than the rest of the level.
"It means Southwest. It's one of those old 'map' things, such as putting dragons off in the void, and doing projections that make the player start area seem larger and more important than the rest of the level."
Can you explain further? I don't get it. What does it do? also, what do you mean by dragons in the void and projections and whatnot?
i feel like i've missed out on an important part of mapping history It's well known that mappers would often, due to cultural bias of where their spawnpoint is, make North America and Europe appear larger and more centered in their map, as well as mark unknown sections in the void with 'Here be Dragons'. Marking SW for Southwest is just helpful orientation for the viewer of the map.
The only site I can think of off the top of my head is http://ut2k4.gamebanana.com/
I'm thinking I will start the event this saturday 21st and run the event for 2 weeks, ending the weekend of the 5th (sunday April 5th)
I will make a proper news post and all that shizzle I think I will make a rule that the arena has to contain an interesting or unique twist, as I want to avoid receiving 6 arena maps where you fight monsters and that is all that you do :)
fuck you guys, that's pretty nice.
It would fit in a high def Quake. Just needs NIN scratched into the paint somewhere, and some blood splatters from the marines who died inches away from the health pack. "The charm" of the original Quake health pack? It's a fucking cube, there is not a single iota of charm in it. We should be so glad that health kits would exist in this future Quake... id is just as likely to put fucking health dispensers on the walls, or worse, just fucking regenerating health. and the low pollygoons.
Once you start trying to make the quake all realistic and militaristic, you lose the quakiness of the quake. take literally any action game with a semi-realistic aesthetic released in the last 10 years, and you'll see all sorts of forgettable ammo boxes and crates and whatever that look just like that. it's just really generic and unremarkable prop stuff.
I've never quite understood how "higher def" assets always seem to become so colour desaturated - dull even. Quake might be mocked for being so brown, but it's not that brown.
I don't have any complaints about the model though, looks how I'd expect a higher poly version of it could look. The original is charming, to me anyway. The way-oversized rivets, exaggerated thickness of the trim, the warm colours, the huge bright red cross symbols. I like the vague materials - not really sure if it's made of cardboard or metal.
With the high-res one I see more details from everyday objects. A band equipment case or a shipping crate. The keypad from a payphone. The corner bits are rubber? It's a cool model, just less quakey. The future is in cans!
"The Charm Is The Pixel Art"
Right. The charm is in the details that your mind fills in. The high res version is basically telling you everything about the box If you're going to do a new health pack for Quake and you're going to go high res Older games such as Quake or Doom are extremely stylized due to the days tech limitations. This styling is very much become the identity of these games even if it was not so intended.
They are not like Battlefield, HL and others of the realistic concrete texture and photo-realistic wooden crate variety. So why oh why go and try and remake these in those ill-fitting styles. New tech, OK, but the vibe should stay the same. And its difficult without emulating the pixellated look, other means have to be found to give the space for your mind to fill in the blanks, I'm sure there is something to be pulled off well in that direction one day. Simpler though is to stick to the same pixelated/low poly style in a new engine. Ok so if we stick to that whats new then ? -Its a mission pack for an old game in a new engine emulating graphics of an ancient engine. Hmph, not great. What else though makes newer games more next gen other than "more is better" eyecandy ? What "little" or not so little things can we bring that would give a definite sense of "this is exactly what is loved but somehow...much more?" Lighting is one I think can be brought in without ruining the soup there. What about scale offerent by this computing and rendering power ? What about 100% continuity between levels, not a millisecond of loading time , not a single thing blocking view into the coming part ? Skyrim like, one world, one level. You can have this and be made to progress linearly through it. Indoors stays indoors. Teleport to other worlds/dimensions OK, those are also continuous. Scale again -> 1000 fiends in the distance ripping through a base you have to eventually reach ? You hear the distant sounds of the actually in game occurring battle from a distance... Once you reach this base, the remains of 900 fiends and 2000 Marines are strewn about the place ? ->That's a kind of Hell level. Rivulets of blood flowing and pooling around the level, carrion scattering away from the corpses to hide in dark corners as you approach. Kill them or not, you are there. ->The "boss" of the level could be a massive beast raised live before your eyes from all this dead putrid flesh you have walked past. Actually see all these gibs gather up in a central point and come alive. Think Akira. That would not feel outdated, ever, fucking pixels or not! Sound design ? Maybe a vastly richer variety of impact sounds for different surfaces, liquids, bodyparts ? Think of a these AAA budget sized art teams working on producing 10'000's of simple props and textures instead of 100/1000's of complex props and textures. A true richness in variety to the world. Play through it 10 times and the world still does not feel like old stuff to you. Always a little new something to notice. On can give a world a real sense of "being" through richness instead of through reality copying textures and objects. There are many more ways I am sure newer tech and computing power can be harnessed to create "next gen" games whilst keeping this charm provided by the blanks in the details. I think high def assets and models lose a lot of their effect when you notice they are always the same. If you kept seeing that same health pack over and over again, it would make its details feel less authentic. It'd take something like random procedurally generated scuff marks, blood or dirt applied to the model to prevent this. It would in fact take all kinds of things to make it feel consistently realistic, and not just a pretty box based on a simple mechanic of getting some HP back by walking over it. Which of course is a great mechanic and fits just right into classic Quake.
That's how I feel about modern games approaching photorealism. The closer they get in detail and effects, the more striking it is when they fail to feel real in other ways. I find it perfectly OK when game designers decide not to go for realism and high def graphics, but for consistent look and feel. And you know, the good thing about stylized looks and symbolic representations is that they let you use your imagination to fill in details. I like it when I can do that. I think the effort to make things look realistic only works when it is backed up by making things interact in more realistic ways. ANd it just sucks when modern games feel smaller and more constrained because it takes so much effort to create content that they just put in less than before. OC, I use the word realistic pretty loosely. There should be some handy term for graphics looking like they'd be realistic if what they represented actually were real things. Consistently extrapolated from reality perhaps? Also, I am in full agreement with what killes wrote. Some people in game biz might think that making a game that can be replayed and enjoyed 10 times is not worth it because people will only buy it once, but man oh man I hope other people will continue to prove them wrong. Like I said...
"Just needs NIN scratched into the paint somewhere, and some blood splatters from the marines who died inches away from the health pack." You can do 'the player can fill in the blanks' with any level of polygons and textures. Don't pretend that cubes with pixels are the only way to the spur the player's imagination. They fit well in Quake as it is, with it's blocky 1996 architecture and tech, but that doesn't mean that some future 2015+ 'Quake' in a new engine needs to be low polygon as the only way of letting the player wonder. You can quite easily construct photo realistic beauty and have the player imagine what it's story is, the real world / art world / film world have plenty of examples of that. All of Killes' ideas can be done no matter what level of detail the world is made of. He mentions a few good narrative ways of creating a world of wonder for the player that still fits the atmosphere of what Quake is. The key would be to make sure not to do them as cutscenes, which is the exact opposite of 'letting the player fill in the blanks'. Back on topic though: That medkit some guy made as a high poly model for the fun of it and which isn't even being used as a replacement model or anything: It looks ok. It looks like Quake's medkit. It would fit in a modern day Quake with equivalent graphic fidelity. Maybe it would look better done not as a box like Willem said, make it a new and different cooler medkit. But then it'd likely be called "Not Real Quake", which would just be another stupid bullshit comment from the Nostalgia Police. That was actually pretty cool, though luckily I only played on Normal skill.
I can see how many people are put off by the first episode. It's hard and grindy with many downright unfair situations, coupled with awkward construction - cramped areas or lots of brushwork to get stuck on. All probably due to several factors, 2005 mentality, technical/hardware issues and just wanting to get it out of the door, and the beta testing was generally poor. A shame, because the first episode expemplifies the Quake Journey part really well - however, these levels and their semi-realistic theme would have been more effective in this regard if they had had a more low-key approach to gameplay/combat. The second episode is better combat-wise, though still quite a bit on the tough side. My secret levels certainly are a good example for this. Enemies stuffed in every corner. Also, the way to access them is ridiculous. Who the hell decided to have all the sunlight worldspawn keys be "_sunlight_xxx" but the sun angle be "_sun_mangle"? Wasted like 20 minutes figuring out why my sun wasn't angled.
I think mangle is used for something else like info_intermission or something so it's been loaned to other features.
mangle makes sense, anything that takes a 3 dimension vector uses mangle.
it's that one of the sunlight properties is "_sun_" and not "_sunlight_" To make things more uniform I can add "_sunlight_mangle" as a synonym for "_sun_mangle" in my tyrutils branch.
that sounds easy to do, hopefully doesn't break if some idiot uses both! I'm just perplexed that it was like that in the first place, all sunlight keys had to have been added at the same time.
Kinn: no shit? it's in the manual? thank you for your incredibly useful commentary. does anyone have the dkt2.wad file without fullbrights everywhere? the one on quaddicted is... bad. :(
won't be the best quality, but if all else fails, just run the bad wad through http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61100 ?
I think what people miss these days when dissecting Quake files is that the primary concern back then was size. Small size on the disk was of paramount importance. So that's why things are often 2 or 3 jumps away in various lookup pools and tables
I went through all this trouble to use a modern raytracing engine, only to have the outcome look worse than a 17 year old software rasterizer.
Heh, yeah, he could probably get most of this look through plugging a custom shader into DarkPlaces altho I guess that isn't the point.
That guy is a bit dishonest by taking the time to make put Quake formats through Raytracing and finding that easier than running Quake...
He could've searched on Steam, Johnny Law has a great <a href="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=120426294 ">guide</a> for setting things up that he could easily have read. But I do think there is a bit of a usability problem for the general playing audience when the Steam release basically doesn't work out of the box and you have to resort to a damn guide to learn how to even play the game. Really sucks. It'd be awesome if somehow we could have a workshop section for Quake on Steam, and it could include the latest engines (filesize limits might bite us there?) as well as we could stick maps and mods on there... there would be all the fucking ugly 'texture enhancements' there too but what are you going to do. Steam Workshop is basically that player facing front that we've all dreamed of since the earliest days of no one playing our fucking content... siigh. fuck you <a> tag, I am sick of your shit.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=120426294 I believe the dev is responsible for requesting it and maintaining it... the second part being what would kill it since I would assume id doesn't want to spent time curating a 20 year old game instead of their active SKUs (Quakelive would get a workshop before Quake does).
Might also need to pay Valve for the privilege, since they host the content. Unsure on all the details. There's also likely some Steamworks integration requirements there too... I think all games with workshops require that the game easily recognize the downloaded content, or at least have launchers that help players get to the content they downloaded.
It sucks that Quake and Doom, and collections involving these games, are listed as Windows only on Steam. Because, as we know very well, you can use the data files from them on a Linux or Mac computer by providing your own engines for the games.
However, as I understand it, the Linux Steam client would helpfully prevent me from downloading them completely because they aren't listed as having Linux versions. I wish there were an easy way to work around this. If you pay for the games on Steam, you own the rights to use the data files and should be able to access them as simply as possible even from non-Windows setups. But no, let's make things difficult by deciding no Linux or Mac user would possibly want to install and play these games What am I to do if I want to recommend these classics to other Linux users? Suggest they pay for them on Steam and then use special means to obtain the data files from elsewhere on the Internet, because that is much less trouble? I mean, why would you have to install a Windows Steam client just to download these if you don't normally use the thing for anything? System Shock 2 is available for Linux, and it is provided as the Windows executable that you then run under Wine. Wouldn't it be great if iD Software did the same, or if Steam allowed optional data-files-only downloads for games that have engine source ports? Is there a petition I can sign? I'm pretty sure ranting here doesn't help, even though I'm sure everyone enjoys it greatly. we all know there are a lot of big louis vuitton bag fans here. Has this community ever even contained a single woman?
badly worded, by single I meant "1 at least" not romantically open to options. As obviously it'd be hard to stay single for long with all these sexy mappers around
Asurfael, Sidhe, and that one Caitlin girl who briefly posted in some thread about Q1 monster design.
It's reassuring that a girl recently posted but no one even noticed the gender. Of course we are all still a bunch of penis- worshipping woman haters, who play violent games to suppress non-males. Can we please rename func to something that does not sound like fuck? I feel so uncomfortable in this rap culture.
U say dat like it's sarcasm
I'm gunna make u warpspasm Til you scream thru-out da nation About ur senile devastation Of course there are handbags for males, too. For instance, this elegant piece: https://www.behance.net/gallery/Astra-Herrenhandtasche/8683955?ilo0=1
and Hall is a she spammer
I have recently been practising my scenery drawing, learnt a decent haul doing this one which I'll apply to my next scene. Just need to stick at it and keep improving.
http://i.imgur.com/ABVdUWd.png Not entirely convinced by the land, but the lighting is magnificent. I'm liking seeing these :)
but finishing Drake has to be priority #1 and I'm also really busy and have been going through some lean / borderline times financially. If it's any consolation, I have made some progress on drake. My guess is that I'll clear the backlog this summer.
I found a doom2 map I searched for years in my lost waist jar.
Only a slight memory from times I hadn't internet and just had finished the first Quake1 episode. Anything that would relate to quake I would have commit a murder, so while playing Doom2 I came to a map that didn't work. I got so angry with it that I used wad2map to convert it to quake. That didn't work as the map was much bigger the old Qmap could have. I'm talking about '96, so imagine a new quake level would cherrish my day. I went on as the damn map had blistering microbrushes and qmap really got sick loading the wrenched doom map, so I had to cutaway most of the part. Only thing I remembered is that remained a strange map of an illustrious wide space with a shape of an ammonite and a large winding antenna, and a circulair stair going down. It looked so science fictional I couldn't imagine people were able to build such things. Now it's almost twenty years later and the memory of it never lingered, I knew there was a time I had this strange map. I also knew I wouldn't find it anywhere after that time, so I searched my BBS files for months. It just didn't excist. Well, I gave up. It was just an empty heap in my memory, I must have maken a mistake. I started again some months ago, and after working on a huge amount of bbs doom levels I found it. It was a map of the USS Enterprice, that was so dammaged while cutting of brushes, it made me walk through a dreamland then. I play lots of maps these days, and I'm surprised how a memory can change in years. But it's defenitly the map I was searching. Hey.., you Eastern Rabbit! yeah, i had the same thing with another doom2 map. ended up being much worse than I remembered it... i need better rose tinted glasses.
I suggest "Louis Vuitton" being in a post should prevent the post from being made at all.
Maybe just make a new General Abuse, hide this one for regular view for awhile, and see if it still gets spam
Does it maybe have a common user agent? Otherwise maybe add a random question about quake as captcha. Please don't disable unregistered posting.
Otherwise maybe add a random question about quake as captcha
"What is the percentage difference between the width of the Shambler skin texture in qtest, versus the width of the Shambler skin texture in the released game" "Well errr..." "DIE, NON-QUAKE-PLAYING SCUM" "Please don't disable unregistered posting."
What's the value vs the annoyance of the spam? Just curious... Unregistered posting is a hallmark of these forums (even back in the qboard and qmap days), allowing at least some semi-anonymous posting, it would be a shame to lose it.
A standard captcha for unregistered posting should be fine though. I don't like Quake questions as a spam discouragement though, it just means you have to come up with a series of seemingly simple questions that will easily be googled and the entire set memorized by our spammer, and only really discourage casual or non Quake fans from posting. lunaran.com has admitted one spam post in the last 12 years, with no accounts and no captchas. I obfuscate the shit out of the form by labeling fields with random strings hashed out of the php session id, so bots can't learn what fields to auto-populate with what data, or how to reliably submit the form. I also did some other skullduggery with faking HTTP_POST response codes or something or other so that bots don't get the right feedback if a post was successful or not.
I also visited a guy's website once who said he eliminated 99% of spam with a 'captcha' that was just "what does this say?" followed by a
Then I remembered a website from Mike, before he signed off,
that had real shoes with fins growing out of them. The fact they were not webbed still worries my imagination. How can someone wear goggles without forgetting his webs on a website? we do have some of that, the form has no URL to submit to until javascript runs and completes the form, for example. I could do more, but I think most of it is human spam anyway, which means anti-bot tactics won't help.
I am using Quakespasm 0.90 on Linux. I've come across two issues with Qonquer.
First is very minor. If you die because of environmental effects or traps before starting the first wave, it says you survived for 0 wave and killed 0 monster. The error is that is uses the singular form, and not 0 waves and 0 monsters. Second is that sometimes after I die, I respawn without a visible weapon. Trying to cycle weapons in that state results in program error. The report printed in the console says there is a "runaway loop error" in CycleWeaponCommand from Weapons.qc. I can work around the second problem by shooting the shotgun once, which makes it appear normally. Selecting the weapon from the keyboard also works, but cycling (which I've bound to my mousewheel) causes the crash. I'm not sure if the way you die affects the weapon thing after respawning. That happened to me after dying from a fall in (presumably) a trigger_hurt. This second issue is not serious either, as it only crashes into the console and it can happen only at the beginning of a new run. You'll just have to remember not to cycle weapons the first thing. I've had that one as well - I suspect that an older variant of the source was used, before cycle weapon was supported, as a base.
But I'm just guessing. Weird, I've never seen the cycle weapon crash. Odd...
I DID manage to break it the other day (for the first and only time, ever). It said there was one monster left but I was damned if I could find it. I think it lost count I've had a few testers come across this weapon swap crash :( would you have the time to hunt it down before I release the jam maybe?
When you respawn, you don't have a shotgun until you fire the first time. After attacking once, you can cycle through your weapons normally
"I think it lost count
I had that too when I had a rogue spawner spawn a monster inside a wall. DaZ
It seems really unlikely. I've never seen that crash and wouldn't have the first clue how to fix it. Qonquer comes with source code tho, if someone more talented than me wants to take a swing at it... I considered adding a timer at one point. If nothing has been killed in, say, 30 seconds, end the round. As a precautionary measure...
the real reason is, i assume bot writers do not personally visit every site, and human spammers are hired labor and don't write bots.
I also visited a guy's website once who said he eliminated 99% of spam with a 'captcha' that was just "what does this say?" followed by a
That is pretty genius. Has been an ongoing issue on my site for roughly 10 years now. These days I receive about 50+-ish spam comments a day coming through the moderation queue (using wordpress) and haven't managed to eliminate the numbers much over the years while trying out different methods/plugins with little luck. One year in particular went as high as 200+ spam comments daily... Ew.
Says quite a bit about (eco)systems, evolution (self-replication, mutation, natural selection), free rides / parasitism, and the fact that we'll never truly impose our morality on the chaotic game of information exchange systems.
Though I wish we could. Zendar
id/Speedbase (with Quoth monsters for variety) Terracotta Warpspasm-ish Day of the Lords https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjqx6cKUepc
THIS... THIS is why I also love Trenchbroom. But yea PROPER level design tools make the world of difference. Unreal Engine 4 Brush tools make me sad. That looks hella cool, I've been considering the possibility of making my own game and this would definitely be the way forward! Unless Unreal has an ace up its sleeve.
Another thing I do to cut spam is just block any post that contains the same url more than once. Surprisingly effective.
starting around 2:30
https://youtu.be/Kjqx6cKUepc?t=2m30s love that edge/face/vertex manip, basically 3dsmax. <skacky> would a rubicon jam also interest people?
<skacky> make something evil with rubicon <skacky> could even make it work with rrp <Daz_> rubicon jam could be cool <Daz_> I agree it would need to be for a mod <Daz_> for enemy variety <skacky> floyds <Daz_> heh <skacky> they look so stupid but I love them <Daz_> hehe <Daz_> I agree, they are cool Is clean and ready to use, although the editing guide got stuck in a separate download somewhere.
That's a cool Unity video, thanks. I suggest "Louis Vuitton" being in a post should prevent the post from being made at all.
Hey now, let's not get too rash. Someday some of us might need a good bag at a reasonable price. And by some of us I of course mean Shambler... It's as if the lead designer arrived at work on day one, sat down at his desk, sharpened a pencil, threw up his hands and said "well, I can't think of anything."
I have loved this quote for years. Hey, please come play on German Q2 Jump. We all speak english here and even fellas from tastyspleen come jump with us.
adrenjumps are great maps to play, they're mine! connect 195.93.242.155:27910 Quake II Jumping! The only skillful jump game! One thing I do like more about Quake2 than Quake is the extra handful of movement bugs. Ledge double jumping is just neat.
Not really a bug, i always liked that if you hit the front of a step mid-air, you can still step up onto it.
It solves that annoying problem in quake dm4 where if you drop into a sunken grate, you have to hit the bottom before you can step out of it. Also makes it possible to make jumps that you would have narrowly missed. I was tempted to add it to fitzquake but, since it changes gameplay, i decided it was a bad idea. So I'm considering getting web hosting. I have no real interest in running a server, just somewhere easy to have a website. Preferably free, if not free then low cost.
Suggestions? http://scampie.net/etc/orange.png
All the brown/tan swatches I tested were between red and yellow, which is clearly orange territory. http://www.transmissions-element120.com/
is a stand alone Half-Life 2 mod where your gravity gun is turned into something all together more Quakey. One of the best source mods I've played for quite some time, and certainly the most beautiful one in recent memory. I recommend! It'll take you around 1 - 1.5 hours to play through. Android is f*ing shit
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=18809 I don't get all the HL hating. It experimented and opened up the FPS/Quake genre into something new.
A shame so very few followed in the their footsteps. That Alyx redesign... quality stuff.
That guy seems off to a good start to compete with the classic fanfic, Half life: Full Life Consequences. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHxyZaZlaOs http://forums.metrocop.net/single/?p=8153520&t=7945969
Quake vore using the Antlion animations from Half-Life 2. THAT RUN there's an extra leg?
also q1CompilingGui source: https://github.com/necros0/ne_q1CompilingGui i wrote this code ages ago... try not to laugh too hard. :P http://www.dinofarmgames.com/a-pixel-artist-renounces-pixel-art/
This article is about the author's reasons to move away from pixel art to modern high-def graphics. There are some interesting thoughts about game art with numerous examples. The comments are worth reading too. The author doesn't mention the visual differences between old and modern display hardware, but someone brings this point up. Every singleplayer Quake map played in a continuous marathon-like live stream (by multiple people), excluding the speedmaps (which are reserved for Daz!!). For extra exposure/attention it could even feature donations for some charitable cause. Kind of like the SDA events. OR all played by Daz and the donations used for the then-necessary psychologist sessions - which, of course, would be live-streamed as well!
http://rickyt23.com/files/gimp-downsampling-looks-like-ass.html
Or am I missing something? To me I get jaggies and artifacts from the fence on all images except image 5. Nice job picking the perfect ugly edge case for resampling. Patterns like that are hard to downsample. I guess PS detects them and blurs before resampling.
Aren't "Sinc" and bicubic supposed to be the same thing? Guess Photoshop has some funky stuff going on in addition to the regular bicubic resampling to get better results.
Photoshop does it correctly.
GIMP does it incorrectly. My understanding is that if you reduced the size of an image like that by a factor of 4 then 16 pixels will become 1 pixel. The colour of that pixel *should* be dictated by the median colour of all 16. What I see happening in GIMP is that this does not happen. What I see happening in Photoshop is that this does actually happen. I mean.... Well here is the original image anyway: http://wilmingtonfencecontractors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/aluminum_fence_4.jpg Well I have oversimplified bicubic downsampling algorithm, there is another factor to the equation regarding the pixels furthest from the centre having less providence.
But you are also missing something. I mean look at the tree in the background. Everyone looks at the fence, but look at the tree! the gimp results are bad. Gimp also has trouble with test patterns like this: http://www.komar.org/faq/camera/auto-focus-test/micro-auto-focus-test-2.gif
I don't have photoshop, but Mac OS X's Preview app can resize that down with no artifacts appearing. I do love free software and all, and on the bright side, someone motivated can fix it and send in a patch :-/ I downloaded the original image and ran a resize operation with the convert tool from ImageMagick. This was the command line:
convert aluminum_fence_4.jpg -resize 300x225 fenceout.jpg And this is the result: http://i.imgur.com/wJXnSD3.jpg It looks similar to the good result from Photoshop to me. Thus, I don't think there are any fancy content-aware algorithms at work here. I'd recommend adding ImageMagick to your toolbox. http://imagemagick.com/script/index.php playing with it a bit, found this guide which recommends the following:
convert ~/Downloads/aluminum_fence_4.jpg -colorspace RGB -resize 300x225 -colorspace sRGB fenceout.png result. This is better than photoshop I think? Note the left side of the fence doesn't go to a black blur as much. Hm, I thought moire artifacts were normal to expect from resampling if you did not add blurring beforehand.
Checkout graphicsmagick, there rarely is a reason to prefer imagemagick to it. It is much faster and stable. I had no idea IM had liquid rescaling though, that looks fun http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/resize/animate_lqr.gif
That's interesting.
I haven't experimented with Photoshop's other re sampling algorithms. There is also 'Bicubic Sharper' for down-scaling images. But yes - these is a difference with the images - Photoshop seems to be as smooth as I.M. but it makes the fence uprights and the branches of the tree look thicker than I.M. weird eh?! I chose ImageMagick in favor of GraphicsMagick a few years ago because IM had better support than GM for certain SVG features at the time. However, since they are invoked with different commands, you can easily install both on your system, and use whatever works best. Good call, Spirit.
"I chose ImageMagick in favor of GraphicsMagick a few years ago because IM had better support than GM for certain SVG features at the time. However, since they are invoked with different commands, you can easily install both on your system, and use whatever works best."
Or, you know, use Photoshop. :P More like $120 for a yearly subscription, you can't get $10 for just one month for instance. It's still pretty expensive for any kind of casual use in my opinion, there are lots of good apps you can just buy for less than $120.
I wouldn't pay $10 to resize an image anyways. ;) Well, the phrase "whatever works best" admits the possibility of using Photoshop in the situations where it works best. I am not against doing such a thing. At least not in the privacy of your own home or place of employment.
However, I was writing in the context of command-line tools and if this search result is accurate and up to date wrt to Photoshop's capabilities, it doesn't have much in the way of command-line functionality. https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1445540 I'm pretty sure I wasn't implying that you should do all your image manipulation operations from the command line using (Graphics|Image)Magick tools. If somebody thought I was saying that, let me clarify that I only suggest using these tools in addition to what software you already are using. :b May I suggest Krita, free and powerful.
https://spawnhost.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/aluminum_fence_4_300.jpg Since Krita has bicubic filtering that looks roughly as good as Photoshop's but Krita is free while PS is $$$$$, it might be worth a look. It is also very good for digital painting. And since Krita has this feature, it'll eventually make its way into Gimp. Open source graphics apps are collaborating quite a lot currently. I mean I have PS through work - I couldn't convince the director to cut back on that if I tried, but that's still great news because I can only install CS on two hosts (!) and it would be pretty handy to be able to get good downsampling on GIMP. :D
A way to do it with GIMP is to apply Gaussian Blur before scaling down, for example when scaling down by 8 apply Gaussian Blur 8 beforehand and so on.
The result looks identical to the Krita one, good enough I would say. I guess Photoshop does this automatically. I just tested the theory. I scaled the image down by a factor of exactly 7.68, I could only gaussian blur to an accuracy of 7.7, I do get slight banding on some of the fence uprights, but its way less noticeable than the vanilla GIMP versions. It makes sense to me why this works, but it's not perfect.
Yeah, with free software it's always a race to try and implement the functionality of commercial packages.
It's pretty amazing that stuff like GIMP or the newer OSS graphics apps such as Krita, mypaint, or Inkscape even exist. But of course they could always be better. I've heard the next version of GIMP will finally support 16 bit images! has been a free download for awhile now.
http://www.redmondpie.com/download-adobe-photoshop-cs2-for-free-legally-while-you-still-can/ I like gimp and open source stuff like blender but it's not exactly an industry standard It's only legal to use if you own a license for it. It is not free. If you don't care about that you could just go ahead and pirate a modern version.
If you have to care about an industry standard it doea not sound like a private hobby and you probably should buy it? Blender is very, very close to becoming an industry standard, and Krita has become very popular. Take a look at the Blender thread on polycount.
having spent a decade using max and maya, I switched to blender a year ago just to have a looksie, and ended up sticking with it.
It does everything I need and its free. "Blender is very, very close to becoming an industry standard"
That's an interesting statement. In which industries, specifically? I honestly don't see a lot of Blender adoption in the game studios I know. Is it among indies? That would make sense with it being free. @spirit I subscribe to creative cloud, however I was able to download cs2 even before I started paying from adobe's site.
They provide keys and everything, take a look, unless it's changed recently. Really love blender, once you get the hang of the interface it's so quick to model in. I use it @ work in conjunction with max. I know a few people who really like blender that work for studios as well, they tend to be modelers that can code since it's quite easy to write scripts in python for it. Nope, but you can file the whole thing under "journalism"... http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2013/01/update-on-cs2-and-acrobat-7-activation-servers.html
it's also right at the top of the download page:
Adobe strongly advises against running unsupported and outdated software. Only customers who legitimately purchased CS2 or Acrobat 7 and need to maintain their current use of these products may use the serial numbers provided during the download. I grabbed it anyway, but I don't know if I'll use it since I'm getting pretty comfortable with GIMP these days anyway. I was misinformed!
Didn't read the giant fine print. How's gimp nowadays? I was running it on ubuntu a few years ago, there was some issues with tablets so I never really picked it up. it works fine on windows... but I have to redo like 3/4 of the shortcuts to be PS-like to be halfway efficient. :P
Because I feel like this is a place where I know people, I'll just leave this here
I'm not sure what I want to do next, but I'm going to poke around and figure something out. :) Probably won't be much time for Quake mapping until I get life settled again but I know! In the games industry, no less. I definitely feel blessed. I've watched friends and peers get laid off every second week for years on end. Epic has been a rock.
if you're unemployed you should have more time for quake mapping, not less :)
I would rather say: if you're unemployed you should have more time for looking for anew job !! definitely have more time for quake mapping mate. Good luck with your future venture, I really hope it's gaming related! ;)
Grats on the 15 years! An accomplishment in any industry!
Thinking of maybe trying some game dev on your own? There's a few on here doing that, one more is always a good thing! Don't know what's next. I'm going to take a little time and figure that out. After 15 years, I feel like I need to sort of wander and figure out what I'm still really interested in doing
YTF are firefox such morons to make you download an extension to have tabs on bottom when they previously had it right, then had a config setting for it, and now you need an extension.
Drives me crazy people with heads up their arses get money for incompetance laff. Lucky i don't work in an office :) Geez, it looks swish on my Mac though. steveaaus, at least you can now use Pocket without an extension, it makes perfect sense!
Warren, maybe TrenchBroom could use a developer until Sleepwalkr has become Dr. Sleepwalkr ;) Tabs at the bottom makes sense because in windows the taskbar is at the bottom* as well.
*Unless you're one of those script kiddies that move it around. In that case: Grow up little child! They would make sense if they were at the bottom and there was nothing below them, so that you could more easily move your mouse onto a specific tab. Like the menu on OS X. As it is, they offer no advantage over having them at the top, but as a metaphor, they make more sense being at the top than at the bottom.
Takbar on the left side of the screen. On a wide screen monitor, having it at the bottom sacrifices vertical screen real estate. Heathens.
I don't go that far. I know some coders who do but I've never noticed much difference with it on/off performance wise and, well, I like the look of it.
Yeah, I do. I autohide my taskbar, and the preview popups annoy me when I move my mouse up to the taskbar to show it.
'Life After Epic' continues forward. I got my first asset pack into the Unity Asset Store and, soon, the Unreal Marketplace (it's approved, just don't know the release date yet).
http://www.warrenmarshall.biz/ So much work to get this stuff going! :) Sort of
but a bit predictable. Why is it all dog-eye-slugs?
I thought this was impressive though, they've got their AI interpolating between Google-street-view images: http://www.popsci.com/putting-googles-famously-trippy-deep-network-work?gXdsx5oqCyPSOrQ5.03 Deep Dream was neat for a bit, but everything turns into eyeballs and snakes... but that Deep Stereo project seems much cooler!
Alright you god damn dirty apes, it's time to JAM MOTHERFUCKERS.
I want to run another JAM soon and I have a nice theme to run with, so I just want to gauge interest and see if people are available. I know a few people are still working on #mapjam3dlc but it's been months and we gotta JAM DAT SHIT SONS. So, I'm planning on running it probably from next weekend (25th) over a 2 week period. Speak up if you want to jam but can't make that time period as I am super flexible in this regard. and remember, I'M JAMMIN'! Adib custom textures.
See screenshots here: http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-talk/dm/11666-dm-cepheus-new-deathmatch-level.html * Topic is 'Prepare to J A M ! #mapjam6 starts in 4 days #hype #majorhype #hashtags'
* Set by Daz on Mon Jul 20 18:20:07 im curious what theme it will beim curious what theme it will beim curious what theme it will beim curious what theme it will beim curious what theme it will beim curious what theme it will beim curious what theme it will beim curious what theme it will beim curious what theme it will be
Will be announced Friday afternoon/evening GMT. No spoilers until then :)
2 week time limit as usual. Flexible if someone needs an extra day etc. All info will be in a proper post on Friday. http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/22/rain-is-sizzling-bacon-cars-lions-roaring-art-of-sound-in-movies
This is an article about sound design for movies. I thought it was a very interesting read. QUAKE IS DEAD??? QUAKE IS DEAD??? QUAKE IS DEAD??? QUAKE IS DEAD??? QUAKE IS DEAD??? QUAKE IS DEAD??? QUAKE IS DEAD??? QUAKE IS DEAD??? QUAKE IS DEAD??? QUAKE IS DEAD??? QUAKE IS DEAD??? QUAKE IS DEAD??? QUAKE IS DEAD??? QUAKE IS DEAD??? QUAKE IS DEAD??? QUAKE IS DEAD???
:( COCKROT.
http://i.imgur.com/fQ3VK3f.jpg etc etc. Yeah dead as fuck. It might be slow but the quality and passion is still great. See, errr, last year. http://i.imgur.com/fQ3VK3f.jpg Where is this from? really want to play it
I want to play around with all the cool textures (or probably make a crappy map with them)!
Info and Download: http://rtcw.gamebanana.com/maps/180525
Anyone try Fitz/Quakespasm on Win10? How about TexMex / TB / Compilers / Radiant / etcetcetc
I ain't updating for a couple weeks I'm sure most work if they function on Win7 or 8, but you never know... not sure what I'd do if TexMex ever stopped working! (we'd need to make a new
If you don't give a flying fuck about your privacy and computers turning into company-controlled terminals, sure!
Seriously. Some of the stuff I've read
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Or porn related. Infact it will be mostly porn. You mean Necros' right?
I feel like Negke would be willfully obscure and require strange arcane knowledge and unearthly intuitions. https://imgur.com/iHge6RJ
Is that for real? If it is, Windows 10 will never get installed on anything I own. Solitaire has adverts unless you pay the subscription.
Win10 updates are mandatory with currently no way to opt out. I guess we shouldn't be surprised in an age where every other gigantic, evil institution is partway through a massive power-grab (ahem, US government surveillance). Kind of infuriating though. But fuck consumers anyway, I mean, they're only 99% of the population...
Does anyone here actually believe tech billionaires are going to save the world, or does neo-feudalism seem more likely? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx
Some parts more scary than others. Especially when taken out of context. Which is what lawyers love doing. Especially government ones. Much of the problem is that their eulas etc all include cloud services along with local software. For cloud services much of that stuff is understandable, but definitely is not when its local software. The other part of the problem is that the parts that should be local software are still not local. If you do install it, be sure to disable everything. And then google to find all the other 'options' that you missed... And yes, the windows update thing allows them to install adware or whatever the hell they want later - they'll probably wait a year, at least... Personally I'm gonna wait a while. the d3d12 renderer can wait. My main fear is that the mainstream are culpable enough to buy into it.
I use Steam but I don't really like it. Too much unnecessary overhead. It reminds me of spyware in some ways. I only start it if I have to, if shopping for games I just go to their web page.
everyone I know that plays games loves steam. some will admit that it is DRM but still forgive it because of things like steam sales. it makes me sad.
used to suck a big bag of donkey dicks. But it's a much better service than it used to be.
I actually prefer the steam model over the console model, pricing, availability and backwards compatibility. Yeah, Steam Sales definitely make up for a lot. I've played half a dozen or more games which turned out to be excellent that I wouldn't have bought at regular price.
On the other hand, I got suckered in by Alien Isolation. right, and i didn't make this point explicitly in my post, but the problem with steam is that it is not clearly evil. just slightly not evil enough to turn most people away from it. this is what makes it evil ironically, because it's a slow and gradual acclimatization to DRM.
Haven't used it much or recently but some things: Ads in your face at every launch, demos do not exist anymore, everyone is ok with asking valve if they may play something or at least telling valve they are playing and how long, some shitty company knows about all the games you have, for many games there is DRM,
yeah, i try to get all my games from there when I can. sadly not all stuff on steam is available there.
This Duke couldn't get in Steam
because it refuzes my earlier 3DNukum CD identity! Thanks CD owner! There is already a participant that's has played this game.
Of course, meself that remembers his log file. Make another username and log in again. Windows Life welcoms you. madfox, get off steam. Starts in a few minutes http://www.dota2.com/international/live/
http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/windows-7-to-10-gwx-how-to-remove.html
But win10 sounds like the general GUI is ok. i hate func_trains and
think that they really suck; why are they so bad? seriously, why do they teleport to the first path_corner you target them at? that means if you want to do several spaced out trains, you need that many path nodes, which introduces slight noticable stops into the path. Why not just let them start where I built them in the level and just float toward their first path_corner? oh crap, you're right, that actually is super useful for what I am doing... I was positioning things really carefully and trying to light them each reasonably the same way... but fuck that, I'll just stack them and they'll all light exactly the same.
Also... I am dumb, I can just make path_corners that are only start positions, they don't have to be part of the chain. Good idea, I made them part of the chain for a stupidly over complex map I abandoned ages ago.
Quake is great for these types of proto hacks. I looked at engines that allow different screenshot formats. I looked at 6 of them and I found 5 different ways.
scr_screenshot_jpeg/scr_screenshot_png scr_screenshotformat scr_sshot_format scr_sshot_type sshot_format I'd be more amazed if they were consistent tbh. I think the days of there being some sort of committee-agreed "standards" for quakery is kinda over.
you don't need a committee to check if any other engines have implemented a feature before you, and if they have, conform to their implementation (as long as it's not really dumb.)
If i was doing my own engine, I wouldn't give a crap what others were doing and make everything the way I want.
The fact there is _anything_ in common between engines is a damn miracle. yeah... I guess I'm just saying to look at the other side of the picture.
I think we'd all balk if someone told us all end level triggers had to look like the big gates in id maps or something. Engine coders are in a funny position in that they are doing something creative yet are heavily constrained unlike mappers who have the freedom to do whatever they want. I don't know what point I was trying to make now. spirit, if it helps, fte's cvar was named to match fuhquake.
except that fuhquake renamed its cvar with 0.31. randomly renaming cvars will always result in issues like this. personally I'd say to go with screenshot_format, that way people stand a reasonable chance of finding it with tab (in engines that provide alternatives anyway). sure, its not on your list, but hey... the problem with committees is that you need someone to take charge and harass people until they get their act together. my own attempts at getting other people to stick to the standards that they claim to support didn't really go too well. frankly, its kinda impossible to disagree with Kinn - people just don't give a damn about compatibility until they're humiliated by it. On some level its actually beneficial when other engines can't run the mods targetted at your engine because you implemented the standard wrong (embrace, extend, extinguish). the stupid thing is that there's no reason that a cvar can't have multiple names. sure, each engine will still have a preferred name that is used for saving configs, but they should still accept other names for the cvar. metlslime, not a committee, no, but you do need teeth to ensure that people actually put in that extra effort. it doesn't help that there are so many different engines that would need to be checked, and half the time engine devs don't bother looking further than their favourite competitor (if that). the other problem is that most engines are dead now, even if they're still used (who'd want to upgrade to a third-party fork that claims only to break their configs?). </rant> Hello all. Figured I'd drop a note saying hello given that my article was referenced earlier. Many old and new faces around here!
I think I last posted here probably 10+ years ago, and haven't been very close to the quake scene in a long time. The most staggering thing is the number of new quake engines to navigate! I've been going back through a bunch of old maps playing against the Omicron bots on a massive nostalgia tour. I've managed to hunt down a fewer new DM maps (newer as in circa 2005) as well, which has been fun. I think I've settled on using the JoeQuake (after trying out about 6) since it has a lot of nice options and actually works with the Omicron bots. Hope all is well. Cheers! And I've already jumped ship to Qrack engine. No, I'm not a purest and like all the little graphical and quality of life enhancements in the newer engines. I'm contemplating getting a server running for some DM at some point.
Also I'm sensing that the mapping scene is heavily into SP these days. Has anyone been doing DM maps consistently? I've found a few from around 2005 or so, but not much after that. Any sites cover or list recent DM maps? https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/discord.html has some great style
So, this came up toward the end of working on my mapjam6 map: why does vis have code and such for ambient lava sounds, same as the water and sky automatically added sounds, if Quake doesn't have a lava sound!?
Mentally, I for some reason always filled in the Quake2 lava sound whenever around lava in Quake and expected it would be there, but then making a level with a bunch of lava and having no bubbly crispy sound to go with it is really sad :( yeah, presumably the engine has access to this data, but I guess no one ever requested it, or it wasn't worth adding??
It would be a cool engine extension, cause it would basically behave as it already does if the engine doesn't support it. as long as all engines pick the same filenames to play! You'll think this is funny. I always thought lava made sound until not too long ago when I realized it was actually the ogre idle sound I was hearing.
I wish there was actually an entity for the liquids ambient sounds where you could specify sound and distance instead of the built in "if you could see it, you can hear" sounds. Maybe there's some hack way of doing it... Or just do a fast vis only and hear water and sky everywhere in the map.
What I'd actually want is control over where the sky and water are heard, not where the engine thinks it should be. Something like target_speaker in Quake 2. quoth and other mods already have an general ambient entity that can take any looped wav file, just use those.
Skacky asked on Twitter for a Quake texture version of a certain stained glass window image. I tried reverse image searching it out of curiosity and found another version without perspective skew. The original image was no longer available, so this is copied from Google's cache.
http://imgur.com/W1onApW I hope Skacky sees this post. Mebbe someone in with the Tweets can tweet him or something? I'm taking a break from mapping for a few days to stay with my wife a little. So, I'm taking a lunch break (like ShoTro) to thank this community.
This forum, that I've been following for just a few months now, is the best internet thing that happened to me since 2004. You are so passionate, so helpful and kind. Everyone working together for the best of everyone. That doesn't happen everywhere and everytime, it's like a gem that, when found, we got to keep. You're maybe not aware, but you all made such an awesome environment. It was so great to meet you. Let's all keep it up. Which topic has the most unread posts on your profile. Mine is "other games" which is 8072 new. Silly func, implying there are games other than quake.
Any Quaker in Berlin who'd be interested in meeting? I'm here for vacation until Friday and I don't have a lot on my schedule. Email address in profile is up to date. Beer is always an option!
I had my computer take a closer look at the contents of palette.lmp, since I wondered whether all the color values are unique. It turns out they are not and there are twelve duplicates.
I show my work here for those who care how this information was obtained: http://pastebin.com/tSaGppSX My result is that the following twelve pairs of colors in the palette are the same. The indices are given first, and start from 0. 0 0x000000 48 0x000000 112 0x0b0700 207 0x0b0700 32 0x0b0b0f 223 0x0b0b0f 143 0x0f0707 159 0x0f0707 16 0x0f0b07 175 0x0f0b07 51 0x131300 80 0x131300 142 0x170b0b 158 0x170b0b 52 0x1b1b00 81 0x1b1b00 141 0x231313 157 0x231313 53 0x232300 82 0x232300 76 0x670000 247 0x670000 111 0xfff31b 192 0xfff31b Indices larger than or equal to 224 are normally fullbright, so this means one color, 0x670000, appears as both non-fullbright and fullbright color and thus the two instances are not technically the same color. Other pairs are made up of two non-fullbright colors which just happen to appear in different places in the palette. Having 0x670000 be a color of both kinds appears to make automatic conversion of full color images to Quake textures problematic. How can a program tell if a color in the original image that maps most closely to this color is meant to be fullbright or not? You have to pass the information about which pixels should become fullbrights by some other means, I guess. This may be old news to some folks here, but it was new information to me. I don't know why there are duplicate colors in the palette or if the pairs are handled differently by any engine. If anyone can add anything to this, I'd be interested. There is no benefit to any of the dupe colours. Most likely just how whoever made them first in DeluxePaint set up some ramps to go from the same colours to other colours, or copied some colours around. The Doom palette also has 7 dupes I think.
And yeah, that fullbright red colour is seen a lot in some converted texture.wads, esp those compiled in the hayday of GLQuake where you would not see fullbrights at all. The only solution is to ignore fullbrights when importing, or to go over the image in case there are parts you want to be fullbright, to ensure that those parts are and other parts are not. Another really funny thing about the Quake palette is how the first 8 rows of 16 colours go from dark to light, but the next 6 go from light to dark. These 14 rows are all used as swappable colours for the shirt and pants graphics. And because again, one of the artists who made the palette fucked this up, for no appearant reason, John Carmack hacked in a fix so that the palettes which have a different brightness order would not look inverted on the player model. Fudge abound :D There is no benefit to any of the dupe colours
Actually they're quite important in one particular of the quake engine, and further down the post you even mention it! They make the shirts/pants system work, the colours that are duplicated appear on different rows, and you'd need to replace the row based gradient system with something much more complicated to eliminate the duplicates and still have the same visual on the players. I also checked the colormap.lmp for duplicate color columns. If my quick Python script is not wrong, the eleven identical non-fullbright color pairs have identical columns between them, but obviously colors 76 and 247 cannot have the same columns because the latter is fullbright. There are no other identical column groups in the file.
As I understand it, only software-rendered Quake engines use the colormap. Not really. It would not have been hard to slightly vary those dupes up and as a result get a slightly smoother colormap plus no ambivalence when repalettising.
Here is a tweak I just did which should not have dupes (unless if fucked up slightly, which would not matter, the point stays the same.) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15588722/post/func_msg/palettetweak.png I converted the palette to 18 bit colour before doing the edits, since that is what VGA mode 13h could output afaik. (albeit stretched to full 24 bit space in this case) Not really. It would not have been hard to slightly vary those dupes up and as a result get a slightly smoother colormap plus no ambivalence when repalettising.
But you end up either changing the colours in an un-noticable way, in which case why bother - or you change them in a noticeable way and people would notice. I'm not convinced that making the palette a bijection has ever been on the mind of any designer. Here is a tweak I just did which should not have dupes (unless if fucked up slightly, which would not matter, the point stays the same.) I rest my case... The differences are minimal, but will in certain cases make a difference in the colormap, esp on lighter gamma settings.
What I am saying is that whoever made the palettes, likely Adrian and/Kevin, did not think too much about the technical side of things, so some dupes happened. Worse than any of the dups is the horrible blue ramp though :P http://www.gog.com/game/quake_the_offering
As far as I can tell, they added Quake to their games list very recently. It's listed as Windows only. I wonder if they could add info source ports for other platforms there somewhere. They will also stream the game on their Twitch channel in an hour or so. http://www.twitch.tv/gogcom And if you wonder who these people are, here's their answer. http://www.gog.com/support/website_help/what_is_gog_com Actually some thoughtful person has written a review of Quake for them and mentioned Quakespasm and Quaddicted already.
It doesn't clearly say that it has the soundtrack, even though it's mentioned in the full description. I will ask about this during the stream and report back.
Yep, reportedly.
Makes me wonder if it's DOS Quake with the CD ISO mounted in DOSBox, but then one of the GOG comments mentioned seeing a 3dfx logo on startup, which though that thread does not state in which form the OSTs are delivered. If it is an ISO (which would be neat) or MP3s/OGGs.
Screenshots are GLQuake (or a fork that stayed very close to it), yuck. Size suggests music rips, <400 MB for Quake and the MPs can't be lossless music.
I wish they had contacted the community about choosing a proper engine. Quakespasm with some user-friendliness changes would have been perfect I would think. Right *now* is the time for a great person to create a thread in their forums detailing the process to install QS or another modern engine that is not Darkplaces. Early threads win the popularity contest. [Insert ranting about "source port" and "Trent Reznor's soundtrack" here] Yeah there are some threads about that already going on their forums, so the topic is out there.
Is your last thing referring to that open sore of a thread on the Steam forums? That guy is something else. Too bad people keep bumping that thread. Oh I forgot to mention... there's an id developer that posts in the "Early FPS" thread on Something Awful every now and then. He's quite aware of the mess on Steam and talks wishfully about doing something with QuakeSpasm but it's not a project that gets attention/resources. It's interesting to see they've done something a little different with GOG (and also that they've gone to the trouble of making a GOG release), so maybe they'll also clean up the Steam release a bit?
Random other thing: he mentioned a way to forcibly download a "Windows only" Steam game on OS X or Linux, if you need to get the data files. First you need SteamCMD from https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/SteamCMD (And also I think you need a "regular" Steam installation in place, maybe?) Then run it like this: Substitute in your username and password, and the app ID of the game. Quake's app ID is 2310. I just now tried it out on OS X and yup it downloaded all the Quake files (under ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/SteamApps/common/Quake ). Haha GOG just changed their Quake download so that the DOS version mounts a CD for the soundtrack music, and the Windows version is SOL.
Not in the Swedish dialect I was using. It's not a common word, so I forgive you for not realizing. It means 'One who reads Ziggy, and then rants'
Here's some dutch dialect
There's a first part in Don Quichotte, when he just returns home from cruisade after he's been beaten up by a "Bisquaier", whatever giant that has been. He is complaining that he is missing a chamber in his house. Everyone tells him that he is just not well and he should go to sleep. Still he keeps complaining about this missing parting while no one believes him. This goes on untill they call a doctor, because he can't be convinced of this missing apartment. When finally the doctor arrives, he asks which departure do you mean. The one that has stolen the chambers, is, while in parting, in suspension of aparting, waiting for your departure. Ziggurants - Zi Who Rents There is no meaning in this, every tenant should know the meaning, even Cerphantes. Anyone else having trouble with dzip-linux?
$ wget -nv http://speeddemosarchive.com/dzip/dzip-linux 2015-08-30 15:58:50 URL:http://speeddemosarchive.com/dzip/dzip-linux [67144/67144] -> "dzip-linux" [1] $ chmod +x dzip-linux $ md5sum dzip-linux 13bec2763a86e9fea903c25dccc8c912 dzip-linux $ compressing demo1.dem (82.2%) $ md5sum demo1* 85ec0141ab24d9732e487d1aafa791f0 demo1.dem 8fc41d8326c8b77e1e62c65c837a538a demo1.dz $ demo1.dz created using v2.9 dem_copy_ue(): topmask & 0x80 dem_copy_ue(): topmask & 0x80 : CRC checksum error! Archive is broken! checking demo1.dem Sure is, public domainish: http://speeddemosarchive.com/dzip/download.html
How else could great engines like reQuiem have built-in dz support :) how do you rip a cd that is mixed music/data on windows? i suddenly felt paranoid about loosing my quake CD so I wanted to create an image that was the whole thing, but I always end up with 78MB images (eg: just the data part).
iirc it always says that (i think it might be a 64-bit only bug?) but it does actually work. been a while since i used it though.
I don't think I've seen my Quake CD since 1997. I'm pretty sure I know which box it's packed away in though.
necros: https://web.archive.org/web/20150217195603/http://redump.org/guide/cddumping/ / http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=Dumping-Guides
Have fun... If you make a perfect rip, I want it. ;) mwh: The problem is that it cannot extract it either. $ md5sum demo1.dem && rm demo1.dem 85ec0141ab24d9732e487d1aafa791f0 demo1.dem $ dzip-linux -x demo1.dz demo1.dz created using v2.9 dem_copy_ue(): topmask & 0x80 dem_copy_ue(): topmask & 0x80 : CRC checksum error! Archive is broken! extracting demo1.dem $ md5sum demo1.dem 077258b51ba41b83e7ff15a80e709b27 demo1.dem Ah, the version I have on my disk that I built from source at some point in the mists of time says "CRC checksum error! Archive is broken!" but extracts correctly; downloading the one from sda.com does not.
Hello - I'm in the progress of getting a dedicated server and up and running, which I'd like to setup with a rotation of custom DM maps. It's been a long time of going solo with the Omicon bots, and it would be fun to get something more going. I have a few local friends that are interested as well.
I'm thinking of running it as a ProQuake server with running the omicron bot mod to populate things if it's a bit empty of players. Not sure if there is a better bot package to run or not, but Omicron has a few nice features built in as well. I also need some maps. I was thinking of doing a 12 map rotation with fairly short matches, maybe a timelimit of 15 minutes and fraglimit 30. I'm thinking the maps would be in the 3-6 player size range. Here's a stab at the maplist: - bovine - aggressr - efdm8 - lundm1 - baldm8 - aghast - alcyone - gomdm6 - auhsm2 - oma - rf - ultrav The above are some of my favorite all-time maps, plus a few newer one's sprinkled in. I'm open to other suggestions as well. Cheers! 1- Do you know the Reaperbot? It's old, but I don't know if it's still newer than Omicron.
2- May I offer my DM level called Cepheus? See how you like it: http://www.quakeworld.nu/forum/topic/6643 Anyway, let us know when the server is up. You could add my Deck 16 remake if you wanted -
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=60922 Mwh: the sda one is broken for you too? I am on 64 bit but don't remember problems earlier. Maybe I never checked...
I'll try wine. mezmorki: you probably want to use a sw server instead. Trinca has waypoints for pretty much maps with frogbot. Check out the kenya and quenya tournaments for more great map suggestions. Kickstarter for posters with id boss fights.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1563446835/boss-fight-ode-to-id-hand-printed-video-game-poste Does anyone have a link or copy they can post of the map:
"carddm2b" I have a carddm2 but the "b" version is a rexture I'm trying to hunt down. This is a map by Card0. I have it but you are going to have to prove that it was publically released before I can upload it. Or someone could ask Cardo if he is still in tf?
Here's the link to Cardo's website back on PQ where he lists it being uploaded onto planetquake. File links obviously broken now:
http://www.quakewiki.net/archives/cardo/maps.html bsp is in https://www.quaddicted.com/files/maps/multiplayer/ but I will upload the zip instead
Just so everyone knows
Basically, I'm taking the content from my old Prominence site, putting it into an excel table, supplementing it with more maps, etc. What's nice is that people can export out a copy and then sort/filter the data however they want, generate PDF reference sheets, etc. Should be groovy. i once had a multiplayer map list and editor but can't find the script anymore nor the screenshots (automated from spawnpoints). Did find the database though if that is of any use (not much work went into it...): http://pastebin.com/etxYNCSt
ah, found the scripts and shots but they are horrible code. http://web.archive.org/web/20100225004233/http://www.quaddicted.com/multiplayer/
Without a way to upload maps and replace bsp files with their proper zips it seems pointless to revive though. If someone wants the code, just shout. You will tear your hairs out though, I promise... More links if you are looking for map suggestions http://www.quakeworld.nu/forum/topic/3934/tag-and-rate-maps-please http://www.quakeworld.nu/forum/topic/1873/qw-mappack So the maps that are going into my list/archive/whatever are curated in that I'm weeding out things that don't meet my entirely undefined minimum standards. But basically the map either has to look cool, play really well (especially if it doesn't look cool), have some historic significance, or some combination of the above. I'm giving included maps a 1-3 star rating based on my interest and reaction to the map. If the map doesn't make the cut, depending on the author it still might be listed so that I remember that I've checked it out before.
At the end of the day, the resulting started maps are ones thy are good to awesome and are worth your time look at ot play a few rounds in. That's the hope anyway. This is an extension of what I was doing with prominence circa 1999 to 2002. There haven't been all that many maps released since compared to the heyday but I'll try to catch up! if you're doing all that work, you should probably still keep whatever indexing info you gather for maps that don't make the cut. just cause a map sucks, doesn't mean it should disappear.
... I'm still retaining the information in the spreadsheet and any download links, etc. Basically, a user could use it to filter out a set of maps to download, choosing only the *** star maps for example. Eventually there will be some modest stats like map size, theme/textures, layout style, etc. to people could drill down to find certain types of maps they wanted.
map size, theme/textures... i wonder if a tool could be written to examine the bsp files for extents, possibly even volume to determine size, and then compare texture names in the bsp to those in wad files to determine the theme...
It certainly could. You could compute the maps extends by looking at all the vertices and you can extract the texture names from the mip section of the file. Additionally you can find out which entities it uses (and produce a list of the weapons in the map, number of spawnpoints etc.). It really doesn't look that hard.
Not that I'm volunteering. But it could be a useful thing also for Spirit, so if nobody else wants to do it, I might. I would write it using a scripting language, e.g. python, which I have wanted to learn more about anyway. That would really rock for a multiplayer archive. For the SP stuff we have done most tags manually already I think.
If Mezmorki would be happy with it, I might resurrect something with the fresh data from him. Started rewriting some things from scratch recently and this might be a nice start. (see eg http://forums.insideqc.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5738 for my long term plans) I am learning Python too at the moment and I might use it for the rewrite. Maybe with Flask? I am still too dumb for MVC though. I'm game for seeing what we can do for a nice curated/tagged MP map archive.
Couple of linkys on my end: Here's an image I whipped up (from sketchup models) showing different types of map layouts that are common for MP maps: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x78bscjiqmlj0iw/MapLayouts.jpg?raw=1 Next, here is a read-only link to the google spreadsheet thing I'm working on. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Py55XH3PZBRCf9kj0yh6ozQsgV7PV0he2PO4GBbssts/edit?usp=sharing I know this might seem odd to have as a google doc, but it gives users potentially a lot of flexibility. They can save their own copy and then sort and filter the list however they want, add their own ratings/comments, etc. Google doc also does a nice job exporting + formatting the whole thing to a table, so you could adjust the spacing to get nice thumbnails and then generate a reference PDF to drool over at your leisure. I can see it's possible to write a Quake design level bible based on knowledge drowned inside this forum, revised and expanded by many of you. A black bible to entice kids to 20 year old vintage tech perversion.
new and improved dark background version:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/1tdii5nb7of5fio/MapLayouts_V2.jpg .... We used to call a style of maps that followed in the vein of dapak style maps (headshot was the big author here) "formula" maps. I don't know why - and maybe it was just me imagining everyone else calling them that too. But think it was commonly used.
Basically, they are maps with a smallish central chamber, usually 2 levels in height, with some smaller side chambers all connected with modest hallways. A lot of the reasoning(I think) was trying to create a more compact and open feeling map but keep the r_speeds low and sight lines limited. A lot of maps still fit this general description though. jeff yost tended to call them "level-over" but I think he called everything that.
It's a style of design that works well for deathmatch, but it's hardly a formula. headshot and danimal tested and revised the hell out of the dapak maps, and that's what they became - it isn't just a matter of "build according to these steps if you're out of ideas." It just sounds unfairly reductive, considering how 'formulaic' in other fields is a critical pejorative. I agree that it does have a tad negative connotation (although I never intended it as a negative). Maybe I'll call them "chamber" maps or something, which still sounds distinct to me from atrium or the multi-atroum types.
I was never a fan of the dapak maps. They really don't feel authored at all. It was a pain too because all the UK servers back in the day ran them for clan matches
Here's something I have slapped together in two days:
https://github.com/kduske/BSPInfo Should be easy to extend / adapt. Python afficionados don't judge, it's my first ever Python script ;-) Ran it over my id1/maps/ and got some common error with entity parsing, try:
https://www.quaddicted.com/files/maps/multiplayer/clockwo.zip argparse is create for making a help page automatically. FWIW, if you want/need to pair that with the ability to programmatically yoink things out of pak files, I made a Python module for that a while back: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/expak
I guess one more thing to say about that module: it provides a way to get some bit of pak file content as a read-stream and allowing you to run an arbitrary callback function that processes that stream. So if you just want to munge some data out of it, you don't have to actually extract and create a new file.
That may or may not be helpful in what you're trying to do, but if you do use it and hit any problems let me know. Right now, it just tells you a few statistics about the bsp such as the number vertices, the max extends, and usage statistics for textures and entities.
I see your mark V says 0.94 in the corner of the console, try this last beta that Baker posted (scroll down to the post from 2015/05/08):
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=60831&start=879&end=879 Can you post a dump/result file? I'll take a look at the program as well on my own.
I was doing a little brainstorming to try and figure out what metrics might be useful to help describe the gameplay of a map. For instances, knowing the amount of horizontal (or shallow sloping) surfaces that players can walk on would be great. You can then compare that to the maximum volume and maximum extents of level to get an understanding of how sprawling vs. vertical/overlapping the design is. I imagine getting horizontal surface area would be difficult though? Here's the output:
https://gist.github.com/kduske/d6c91ca87c81e0a08539#file-gistfile1-txt If you want advanced metrics like that, you'll have to find someone to code that in for you. I just did this as a proof of concept. I can add simple stuff and fix bugs, but I won't sink a lot of time into it. Number of planes vs. number of surfaces? Is surfaces horizontal? E.g. 3958 planes vs. 242 surfaces? Of course, this doesn't tell you the are of the surfaces.
I dumped Spirit's big list of maps into excel - the most useful bit for my purposes is the release date. Spirit - were these dates taken from filedate stamps or something else?
For the curious, here's the number of maps released by year (in this DM map database): 1980 2 1988 2 1989 3 1994 3 1995 2 1996 325 1997 937 1998 517 1999 431 2000 103 2001 105 2002 74 2003 61 2004 79 2005 43 2006 11 2007 19 2008 11 2009 1 2038 5 I would've thought the early 2000's would've had more maps, but the big volume was more post release when everyone was making their own MyHouse.bsps or whatever I guess. This does narrow list considerably for maps that I should check out from the past few years. So this is immensely helpful in that regard. Thanks! How easily can it generate the map name and author name if it was provided inside the bsp?
I don't remember the source for the dates, might be zip timestamps, might be bsp timestamps. Don't trust them too much.
You can get map titles with grep, not sure if it is always the first "message" but it might be: grep -m 1 --text "message" file.bsp They are often mixed with special characters or just garbage though. Might be better to use the readme files where available. No standards anywhere. I believe you'll make a best effort and generate data to be revised by Spirit. Data hacked out of bsp will not be reliable enough, right? And this five map episode from 2038 is played against real bots?
For the record, I'm not interested in developing a complete and detailed deahtmatch map database. I'm only interested in creating a list of good (in my totally subjective opinion) maps with some more information about those chosen maps.
Sure.
Sorry if I missed it in so many posts, but do you intend to put up a Quake MP review site? That would take me back to DM mapping. I tried QuakeWorld and didn't fall in love. Levels are too bright, a fish-eyed FOV, items and models are one-color 2D shapes. They dropped all immersion, it became a sports game. I miss old school servers. If someone else feel this way, I'm up to help. I used to run prominence on planetquake which was a dM map review site, where again I only generally posted maps that were "good." I'm basically turning the idea of that site into a big google doc file :) I could integrate "reviews" into the scores as a comment pretty easily if there was interest in that. Or add a new review field with comment text.
I have a blog (www.big-game-theory.com) where I'll probably post some q1 map related stuff from time to time now that I'm getting back into the swing of things. I'm also in the process of getting a netquake (not quakeworld) server up and running. This will be a bit of a hack job (never hosted a server before) and I'm going to try it via my recently upgraded home connection (75 mbps down / 10 mbps up cable) just to see if it works. I'm doing the server mostly so I can play over the net with a bunch of my local friends, and want to use it to showcase maps. ProQuake will be running the server, but a number of different clients will be allowed to connect to it. I'll probably be running the omicron bots mod because it provides some nice DM options as well as client controllable bots. I'm looking into merging another server mod with frickbots, but I don't know any QC to do that. Gen made a DM mode that went with the Reinc map package that has some nice netquake options, like quaddrop (the only thing I liked about QW) and extra gameplay modes (shambler head hot potato, etc.). Maybe I'll run that as a default instead and skip the bots. I don't know yet, I need to figure that all out. Stay tuned... Metl, yes, but then I would be the only one shooting in a dark myst enjoying the atmosphere while everybody else has the lights on, the FOV of a chameleon and the shotgun barrel 2m ahead like a dick. It's a problem I don't know how to solve.
QW people are concerned about download times, so I'd better stick to mostly 64x64 textures. No complicated geometry, no fog. Can't count on colored lights, because QW doesn't download I'm more interested in the 3 people who managed to make QWDM maps in 1989.
In many ways, the 80s Quake scene was ahead of its time. I was lucky enough to be around then and I have some pretty fond, if hazy, memories of those crazy days. My only complaint is we didn't have many tools back then that we now take for granted - including an engine to run the levels in - but you just made do. Happier and more innocent times :) In 2038 Quake, if you die, you also die in real life. It sounds harsh, but it's actually quite fair by 2038 gaming standards.
I've talked to people how I wanted to add a NG-tier machinegun to the already existing arsenal (by decompiling the whole lot, pasting the QC code that would be tested in vanilla quake, and recompiling), and maybe a chaingunner-like, since I've recently learned how to model/animate in Blender and export said models as
Now the actual question is, there would be a secret level that has an exclusive weapon, a TF-like Minigun, with spinup-spindown and releasing twice the bullet as before (or rather, nails). Would that weapon actually benefit from the Quake/Quoth standart on a design perspective? Or how could a weapon like this work without being redundant/broken, considering there would be the MachineGun and the Super Nailgun (the NG is still there but I don't plan on using it on that map pack)? Would it be better to have only one MachineGun that's like Doom 2's Valiant (the chaingun is beefed up by firing bullets extremely fast and having a small spindown, making it more useful but eats a lot of bullets) or UT3's Stinger Minigun (think of Q2's chaingun but more stable and the rate of fire being slow at first but machinegun-tier after a second or two)? I ask this because I always wanted to make a minigun weapon, on par with the ones in the Team Fortress games (minus the movement penalty), and with the idea of making a weapon secret-level exclusive, that would be my chance to make one. But this kind of post is exactly why the Quoth source code is not public.
I'm just asking questions design-wise. Or are you saying implementing machineguns in quake is a bad idea? Because since I've been in the community I keep hearing bad stuff about hitscan rapid-firing weapons.
Which is a shame though, because as much as I love Quake, I would love it even more if the NG was hitscan or was a MG. And even if I'm able to implement my stuff into it, that would be its own thing. No sourcecode to be released.
Really though, what's wrong with Quoth and its sourcecode? I heard that conversation once and I still don't understand. Is it because anybody could steal from it, or just because people would pile bad ideas onto it? I like the chaingun that is in Zerstorer. Even though generally I prefer projectile weapons, I feel like it worked well to distinguish the weapon from the SNG. Maybe I am misremembering, but I think Drake mod took it further and made it piercing? Maybe I am imagining that, but I loved that too, really made the weapon have a useful niche of being a good weapon to clean up mobs of weak enemies, and you used the SNG and SSG on the tougher enemies.
I think that chaingun was actually really really fast projectiles, with long tracer bullet Quake isn't above modding, but Quoth somehow is. I'm surprised they let people make maps for it.
Do whatever you want! Try both machineguns and just see what you think feels more fun. Like that one where there's a flame gun that uses the NG model and that ice gun that uses the SNG, what's the story behind that one?
Going back to the topic of my MachineGuns, the idea is, like in Drake, to use ultra-fast stretched white lines, or to be actual hitscan attacks that leaves a small puff trail behind them (similar to https://youtu.be/9wWbvvtZYvo?t=8m18s Thing is, I don't think it's possible for hitscan attacks to leave a trail behind them, or am I mistaken?). The MachineGun, as I've said, would be NG-tier, so to take down weak enemies and weaken stronger enemies. The Minigun would basically be SNG/SSG tier, but would eat nails much faster. It'd be like the NG/SNG relationship, one weak but to use to spare ammo, and the other to go all-out on stronger enemies despite it's ammo consumption. Quake was released to be modded out of the box. It's odd that a mod for it would change that stance.
A couple of coder's have managed to mod quoth, but not to include fire and ice guns AFAIK. Nothing stopping you from adding trails to hitscan weapons - that's just a railgun. You'll have to learn to code though, nobody is going to do it for you. Luckily, notit's that difficult. Check out the inside3d tutorials - are those still up somewhere? "Quake was released to be modded out of the box. It's odd that a mod for it would change that stance. "
I'm a huge believer in releasing source for things. Look at what happened with Qonquer. After that map jam, we now have a better version of the mod that's more suited to experienced players AND fixes a few bugs. I surprised myself when checking out RRP the other day - I forgot that the devkit is actually semi-useful.
I just wanted to copy the same as was released with Nehahra back in the day. Open sourcing your stuff means it can survive without you when you're done. No Music Patch For Vanilla Quake 2? [EDIT]
Posted by anonymous [118.100.140.72] on 2015/09/11 13:12:25 Come on people, it's been 10 years. Is there no Quakespasm for Q2? Yamagi Quake 2 would've been perfect if it weren't for the fact that music does not work on it and deathmatch levels do not display on the multiplayer level list. Quake 2 XP doesn't even work. And that "Ultimate Patch" featuring Knightmare Patch/KMQ2 fucks up the HUD elements, among other things (such as CTF powerups in DM levels, and their models are broken and only display axis). <czg> So I'm kinda thinking about if making a Dark Souls-ish mod for Quake would be fun or not
<czg> would only work if the player plays by The Rules and doesn't savescum though. <czg> Have "bonfires" or similar in the map, no pickups of health or ammo in the map, enemies may drop ammo, killing enemies gives "souls", getting killed respawns you at a "bonfire" and respawns all monsters, "resting" at a "bonfire" respawns all monsters and refills all your health and ammo, use "souls" at "bonfires" to purchase upgrades for yourself and weapons <czg> I haven't thought this through very well <czg> the question is; would it be fun or interesting? Or just a waste of time? <czg> I'm not sure if the Quake gameplay is challenging enough to make the death/respawn mechanics interesting or not <czg> Also if players are super upset with dying and calling bullshit and ragequitting <czg> Probably not going to do anything though lol <czg> would take me years and years <czg> (probably) It's certainly an interesting idea!
Not sure how well it would work on vanilla maps etc but if a sprawling interconnected hub like map was created for such a mod it could be really cool. using the axe could give more souls from enemies, or could be used to "parry" a melee attack if you hit at the correct time. The issue is really the enemies, you would probably have to redesign most of them to be much more challenging. Or I guess the other option is to badly gimp the player so they take a TON of damage from enemy attacks or have to walk, and stuff like that. Sounds like removing fun tho
I was thinking maybe could start the player off with like 25 health or something, and then you'd be able to upgrade that at bonfires, that would at least make the smallest starting cannonfodder enemies more interesting.
A bigger and less well known bestiary like Quoth would be good. If only the Quoth source was available... don't do it in quake, do a quakeish dark soulsish shooter in a newer engine.
steal all the good enemies, skip the others (spawns), call it a spiritual successor. "Oh And The Parry Idea Is Really Good!"
It's cool but there has to be a major incentive for the player to switch to the axe and parry monsters rather than just shotgunning them in the face. :) That leads to... what newer engine? It's something I intended to ask sometimes here. What shooter should I mod these days?
Axing a monster while it is in attack frames makes it going into pain frames instead, and when it goes into pain frames it takes 2x or 3x damage.
Monsters do not go into pain frames regularly. I thought facebook was purely for mothers to spam pictures of their small children and literally nothing else.
Facebook is so that you can ridicule czg in front of his bf until they break up and he realises you were always there for him and maybe he will let you sniff his hair and cook asian rice before you go to ikea and pretend to be a married couple while choosing a sink for our first apartment.
I'm pretty sure you could even enforce no save scamming by using nosave variables. Bonfires could trigger the save in a special way to disable antisavescumming
It just exploded shitty water all over my floor again.
Like please!
Given the obviousness of most Quake melee attacks. Could be fun trying to parry fiend jumps...
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Just for the record, my AD mod has no melee system, no parry or DS style mechanics. I have thought about DS mechanics in Quake several times and even made a small bonfire test mod, but telling players they have to reset a level when they die, can't save anywhere they want and have to melee monsters will be tricky to get right. Melee in first person sucks unless it's stealth.
I quite liked Dark Messiah of Might and Magic. And Skyrim. And Left4Dead/2. And the melee in Dishonoured was fine. And Riddick. Do the mod. Pretty sure socks mod will be open source too so there will be lots of new assets soon.
I'm sure the community will make a bunch of maps No secret melee project in the works. Move along.
Airfist?
Slowing Quake down and making it more duel based, like in DS, won't work. Limiting the save points would, but changes a core mechanic, possibly too much. Personally I consider quicksave broken - like a dev cheat that got left in by mistake. Random idea for making a Quake Bonfire system: 1. Collect frags from monsters (souls) 2. Costs 10 frags to make an Altar (bonfire), wherever you like 3. Health ticks down to 10 by 1 point for each second away from a Altar 4. frags and health are saved across levels, as are Altar positions 5. Frags are dropped if not returned to an Altar For the monsters, I think you'd need a respawn system, and a battery of additional abilities for each one, some of which are activated each time the level loads. Yes, Binding of Isaac Champions, basically. For level content, maybe just add moire level teleports to each map of one of the original episodes... at least to test the idea out. Complete all maps to access the rune map and complete the episode type of thing. Lunaran, hope you don't mind me sharing the beta of your mod you sent a while back:
https://www.quaddicted.com/files/idgames2/quakec/weapons/throwcarp.zip It's still too easy mind. Shambler will disagree.
I remember many years ago when a port of Quake was released on the N64. It had no quicksave, and no checkpoints mid-level. You either finished the whole level without dying, or you had to start the level again. The levels were otherwise the same as in the PC version. I remember thinking it felt much more exciting and fun to play. Finishing a level felt like a real achievement. i was very briefly very annoyed
In other news: the Doom community has all kinds of alt playthrough challenges like 'pistol start' and so on. Do we do anything like that, like "no saving"? The maps don't support shotgun-only start as well (I think doom had weapons littered around a lot more) and there's probably few of us left who can't beat a Quake map without dying. I never quicksave, people who watch my replays will note this because I end up having to play the entire map again...
But I will also say this isn't a statement of 'oh, I think that's scummy and cheap!'. I am just literally too lazy/forgetful to quicksave. ...Quake had not have allowed saving, I would not have finished it and would not have got hooked on it to have enjoyed 15 years of mapping and playing and chatting etc.
It's why I never finished Wonderboy, and why when I did finish Repton, I vowed never to play games that did not allow saving. I have no idea whether I actually stuck to that rule ;) ...or lack of manual save anyway. Obviously save-scumming sucks but no-one does that these days anyway. Most Quake levels I very rarely need to quicksave and always play it to get through without, but there's always some awkward lava jump or just some random mistake or the Fiend jump bug or something.
Replaying from the start = instant enjoyment fail. Yeah, if you want to be a dick put a demon at the top of an incline and aggro it as the player reaches the bottom of the slope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwjeu1C2-Ok
Seems you can edit a map in a way that it will draw sectors from a different area of the map which gives this neat tardis effect. I remember getting scrozzled by the jump bug by that one fiend near the start in E2M5 a few times, when playing the N64 version. Luckily it's near the start.
Obviously save-scumming sucks but no-one does that these days anyway. Most Quake levels I very rarely need to quicksave and always play it to get through without, but there's always some awkward lava jump or just some random mistake or the Fiend jump bug or something.
When does quicksaving become save-scumming? I quicksave after I've dealt with every combat encounter, even if it's a single knight. I don't even think about it, I just do it automatically. Is that save-scumming? If I tried to discipline myself to save less frequently in order to make the game more tense or exciting, it would feel very weird. I can't play a game where I have to put artificial constraints on myself in order to get more out of it - it feels stupid. I think Quake would have been a better game if it had a checkpoint system instead. But, after 20 years of quicksave I accept that that particular ship has probably sailed. You'll know when you do it.
I very rarely quicksave in Quake, unless I spot an obvious deathtrap scenario. If I tried to discipline myself to save very regularly, it would feel very weird. I basically do what you do Kinn
My hilarious trolling seems less funny now.
Checkpoints work great - we used them in RRP and so did Necrosis in Altar of Storms. The trigger checkpoint just sent a quick save command. Making it a button you press (or a bonfire you light) which has some secondary mechanic, like being a healing pool as well, gives you DS. I don't quicksave any more though, I just know the game too well after all these years for it to be much of a challenge. The old mod Midair, where you are supposed to shoot each other in midair, anyone know where to find install files or such for it? I've tried searching around...
You'll likely have to ask on http://www.quakeworld.nu/
I know they I haven't tried this out myself, but from the name & readme I would guess that ftp://ftp.clan-rum.org/quake/bots/midairbots.zip is midair + frikbots.
to do some light/basic texture stuff; if you're interested in this and/or just providing testing/advice email me (dustin dot geeraert at umanitoba dot ca ).
Thanks, found it, was very easy to setup and got it all working now. It was included in ktx and it worked well with the nquake server package.
Rio.
We're having Rock in Rio these days. Korn, Motley Crue and Metallica will play today. Lots of friends going. Trying to carve a sphere using 7 cylinders... It has ground to a halt.
Only then do I realise I'm missing 2 axis of cylinder to make a good symmetrical sphere. Running jackhammer via wine probably doesn't help either. https://db.tt/DwHcsLwT Madness. Absolute madness. You're lucky Jackhammer didn't uninstall itself. You don't deserve nice things.
the carve tool is really interesting, because in some situations it can be really powerful, and in others it just balls things up.
of course this situation was PEBKAC. Duke Nukem Forever was made entirely by carving spheres using cylinders, hence both its quality and production time.
Is shit.
I don't think I've seen any package where boolean operations don't turn your geometry to garbage. Is only useful in very few cases. You'll usually get better results with clipping.
Wrong. It's never useful. The only reason I can think of for the carve tool existing, is because it's some kind of running joke amongst editors and a "hilarious" "troll" towards new mappers, because they always seem to fall for it, like every time. It's like the editors are going: "oh look mr new mapper why don't you try this awesome magic tool that lets you make cool geometry really easily - hahaha PRANKED you've just produced the mapping equivalent of runny dogshit lololololol NOOB" my brain just imploded after watching that vid. How (s)he did not cause a rift in space time and get sucked into the void during that is beyond me.
I can only hope that this is trolling and not honest attempt at mapping. he actually did it the absolute madman hahahahahahaha!
I use carve from time to time. TRY AND STOP ME.
It's a good shortcut for knocking a quick square hole in a wall rather than duplicating/dragging/clipping the existing wall brush until you get the shape you want. It's actually more efficient in that case. It's a cube being carved out of another cube. Worry about geometric efficiency in that case is counter productive IMO.
First everyone's happy and welcoming when new mappers join, then they use a tool in some way that's super unhealthy in ways that aren't immediately obvious and everyone throws eggs.
enliten, please bookmark this: http://www.quaketerminus.com/hosted/happymaps/curv_tut.htm it's super super helpful That reminds me that I wanted to sometime do another beginner tutorial just based on making good brushwork... would be a lot of effort though and I already have other things I should be doing :|
won't refleckt bolds because he can't read
WriteCoord (MSG_BROADCAST, oiginal_endpos_x); I can read it, but would it be a good idea to make him piss on dead players? Looks like the URL changed at some point, the link on the quaddicted page is still good though:
https://www.quaddicted.com/files/music/travail_soundtrack.zip https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/travail.html I replayed it earlier this year, awesome pack and the music really added to the experience :D Alright - so I'm still making a thing:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Py55XH3PZBRCf9kj0yh6ozQsgV7PV0he2PO4GBbssts/edit?usp=sharing Check out the various tabs and the big DM map list. I still need to plug in links to the map downloads for most of the maps, and finish filling out some of the extra map information (layout style, texture theme, etc.). But any feedback would be golly-gee! I'm in the process of getting a server configuration going that I'm happy with. It would be awesome to DM with some of the crew here some time. Custom DM maps never got their due IMHO. And there are lot of images embedded in the spreadsheet, which can be clicked on for a high resolution shot. You can also hit the images button at the top and browse my dropbox folder of map images.
I don't have real feedback yet but I'm loving looking through this.
Slightly nonplussed that you're wrestling with setting up a NetQuake server instead of QuakeWorld, but I know there's lots of crazy kids that do that these days so whatevs. I'll certainly play there when you get it rolling! Actually I do have one piece of feedback that I just noticed: your map list is missing "trimp" (Trilogy Multiplayer). :-) Anyway, I assume this isn't ready for public consumption yet, but let us know when it is & I'll blather about it on places like the Steam forum and the SA Early FPS forum. I'll look into Trimp.
What's the reason for wanting QuakeWorld over netquake? Just curious. Is there more likely to be a more vibrant player scene with QW? Apparently you can extract the soundtracks for Quake and the Mission Packs from the CD images in the version that gog.com sells. There is even a program to do it automatically for less technically sophisticated users.
http://www.gog.com/forum/quake_the_offering/my_oneclick_audioextractor From the above link: "In case anybody missed it: Quake on GOG contains the CD images with the full soundtrack, but most engines can't use them I wanted to share this info here in case anybody here did indeed miss this info (like I did, for a while). Wellllll the general thing about QuakeWorld is just what it's always been... client-side prediction so that multiplayer works better under internet conditions. No "ice skating" like you get with NetQuake even on broadband.
As you've been seeing, NetQuake is also somewhat difficult to set up as an internet server if your host's IP isn't directly routable from its clients. The other difference is of course the player physics... it's easier to reach and hold high speeds in QuakeWorld. Some folks prefer that, some don't. The "some don't" crowd is I guess the group of people who are still playing NetQuake over the internet. As for a player scene: eh, not sure. I think NetQuake has more players in North America, and QuakeWorld has more elsewhere. In any case you're talking tiny numbers of players, especially when it comes to "random drop-ins", and the actual player population of your server is going to usually depend on whether you have participation from some specific online community (like here). As someone who very rarely plays multiplayer Quake outside of local LAN stuff, please don't take my word as gospel.
QuakeWorld has prediction, lower latency in the first place, prediction of other players, smaller packet sizes, delta compression, nat fixes, master servers (for serve listing)...
modern servers tend to have antilag and a whole load of bugfixes to the various things I mentioned above... that's the servers and networking... mods tend to be more about rounds and matches and actual killing rather than runes and other fun gimmicks. randomized damage or randomization in general is frowned upon in quakeworld. and clients?... :) clients are all about the cheats. fullbright skins, teamplay macro helpers, low res textures, etc. vanilla quakeworld clients didn't even support interpolation. the theme here, of course, is that quakeworld takes itself much more seriously. any advantage you think you can get is taken. or in other words, the differences between the communities is more significant than the differences between the engines, and its this which has been driving those engine differences since vanilla. quakeworld has all the technical advantages, but in its drive to make itself all about the killing+cheating, you will stand no chance of winning a match unless you've been playing for 5+ years. netquake, on the other hand, imposes a minimum latency on everyone, this limits the advantages of a player's own reaction times. this combined with the stricter attitude to fullbright skins and lack of bunnyhopping results in much more balanced games (plus being 'the' quake, netquake tends to get more noobs dropping in from gog/steam purchases). Thus imho both branches have their own niche. both fte and dp attempt to give the same technical advantages to nq, but they do so from different perspectives. unfortunately they are both islands in their own right, at least as far as the community sees them. @primal, I'm tempted to get FTE to just directly play music from the iso files. I'm sure it'll happen eventually... when they shipped quake the multiplayer was internally considered as "for LAN play" mostly because doom was, and the fact that it also worked over tcp/ip was I think almost an afterthought? they never expected so many people to want to try to play with each other over internet connections, so they weren't forced to make a lot of network optimizations (like the aforementioned client prediction).
your key inputs were in fact actually being sent all the way to the server, which would then move your dude and send the signal back that you'd moved. the client was mostly a display. you can guess how well that works over the internet. :) the bizarre effects that latency introduced to the gameplay led netquake to be dubbed "SkateQuake", because you'd hit a movement key for a second, the server would receive the press, but the release would get lost in the noise of the internet, and you'd just keep gliding along like you were ice skating. people loved playing quake by internet so much they put up with it, so id rewrote the client/server architecture to work over the net as flawlessly as they could and called it QuakeWorld. I actually remember reading something different way back then. Maybe in Abrash's book? I dunno. The story was something like Carmack had a T1 line running to his house and tested the netcode playing from there. So, of course, it seemed great.
Until they shipped the game into the real world. Multiplayer network prediction is tricky business. The better your connection, the worse prediction systems become. NetQuake style of the server being the single trusted source makes for more precise gameplay when everyone has good connections, because you can trust that if you shoot a rocket at a player, they actually are where you see them (even if they/you are stuttering). That isn't always the case with QW and it's client side prediction.
I don't know about FPS, but in the Path of Exile expansion recently, they added 'lockstep' which is basically NetQuake style 'you have to wait for the server to confirm your actions' because their client side prediction was causing so much desync. It makes that type of game much better to play when you have low latency (you have the option to enable the older prediction though if you have higher latency).
I tried PoE and early on in the game you walk down a stormy rainy beach at night, cross a level transition to the next bit of the beach, and it's a clear orange sunrise. walk eight feet back across the transition again, pouring rain, middle of the night.
I said "these guys understand attention to detail" Oh, they totally know their original prediction code was poor, they mentioned that implementing their lockstep stuff also made them fix a ton of things in their network code that made desyncing far more of a problem than it should've been. It still felt better even with a lot of the bugs fixed.
But I like good old netquake better.
A netquake server hosted by people here would be a big motivation to map. I used to play QW back in the day because at the time, unless you were on a T1 line or something, the play experience was smoother and better.
That said, I never really liked it. I played a lot of netquake with bot mods (e.g. Omicron) and over LAN connections, and I always found the experience far more precise and enjoyable. More pure? I don't know - I always felt that QW, even in the modern era here, has some "mushiness" to it that I don't like. My main intent to get this server up is to play with a bunch of my friends in the local area. Given that we all use the same ISP provider/infrastructure, we all ping ~30 to each other which is quite good! That said, I'd like to get the server opened up to more people, and getting this community playing would be grand! Current progress/needs in getting the server going: (1) Server mod I'm undecided on this. I REALLY like the old "Reinc" mod that Gen and Bal made way back when. I've been testing various configurations and have actually found a bunch of broken features (some of which crash the server). So I'm learning a bit of QC to try and fix this mod. Ideally this one would be great to use. Alternatively there is CRMOD and/or RuneQuake (but I'd need to disable all the crazy extra stuff I think). (2) Server DNS name. The server works though a direct IP connection, (e.g. "connect x.x.x.x:port), but not with my DNS name (13acres.pwnz.org). I think everything is working right on my end, so maybe it's on the DNS end? I don't know much about DNS stuff I need a server running guru to help me out here :) And maybe a QuakeC guru :) I never thought that custom DM maps got the spotlight they deserved. Even back in the heyday, it seemed the amount of DM servers running custom maps was always really small, and most likely running the same limited pool of DM maps (UltraV, Ztndm3, etc.). So many fantastic DM maps were made that most players, even the holdouts still around today, just aren't aware of.
So that's my nostalgic motivation for doing this at work as well! yeah, nobody ever wanted to try a custom map, it was terrible. it was like that in every community - the "only" CS map was de_dust, the "only" TF map was 2fort, and the "only" QW maps were DM4 and DM6.
Players didn't like deviating from a small number of maps, it became about being excellent at a few maps, rather than good at many maps.
Having said this, my two favourite non-id maps were aerowalk and UltraV, two of the staple maps for pretty much every server rotation. How was the quake3 community at the time? Still the same situation?
It's funny - but I've always felt that trying out lots of different maps was at odds with peoples' drive to pursue (or exert) their mastery over others. If you only play DM4, you can get really good at playing DM4 and stomp people that aren't as good as playing DM4. But if you try a different map, there was a chance that someone else might be better at it than you. Chance = uncertainty. Uncertainty = bad for many people. So there you have it. Just a theory! ... the norm could have been different. There could have been an interest in playing large rotations of map driven by an interest to have more varied game experiences, recognizing that some maps you might do well on, and others not as well on, but that the total experience would still justify playing on more maps.
Quake3 went sort of insane because the id maps were mostly terrible, so instead everyone plays 'ZTN', which is what they call Ztntourney1, which is ztndm3 converted to Q3. And q3dm17 camping grounds.
There are different kinds/tiers of players and they like different maps for different reasons. Playing 'running around until you see someone and aim your crosshair' is a whole different game from playing about map control.
cs has had many new maps over the years. Just think of dust2's popularity nowadays. Only noobs play q3dm17. Q3 and now even more so Quake Live have been pretty good about occasionally adopting new maps into the competitive pool -- and yeah, mostly this was kicked off by the initial set of Q3 DM maps being bad.
It's never been broadly popular though to just churn through a giant and ever-changing pool of new maps. A given small set of maps "sticks" for a while, then folks eventually get bored or dissatisfied with this or that map and shake things up a bit. ztn is still a frequent choice regardless. :-) For example the 2014 QuakeCon duel pool was furious heights, lost world, sinister, aerowalk, campgrounds, cure, and toxicity. I.e. one port from Q1, 2 revisions of original Q3 maps, and 4 new (community and/or post-Q3 id) maps. The 2015 pool was furious heights, lost world, sinister, blood run (ztn), and elder. ... with the custom server was to have 13 maps (server name is 13 Acres of Hell after all) in a rotation for about a month. I have some fav's (old and new) to start with, but eventually it would be cool to have the months themed around something. Maybe it's maps from a particular time period, or a certain style of maps, or a certain texture set, and so on.
And the point is to keep it all casual. I don't want anything too fancy. I I can play a few times a month in Free For All and work through the rotation a few times, that would be a good time! ztndm3 is the map I played the most back in the day. DM4 and DM6 were really high on the play count. One of the best things about the clan league I used to play was that every clan had a "home" map, and my clan always chose a map from episode 4... we weren't nice people ;)
I got always beaten on the internet.
I'm still a keyboard player in his own Sp world. Like diner dash but with shit overflow pipes - you have a shovel and must dump the various open sewage pipes without letting any one of them overflow.
Occasionally there will be a larger object in the shit, like a baby alligator, traffic cone or bundle of nappies; these are harder to dump out and require button mashing. There are also golden poops - these vanish if they hit the end of the line but if you manage to dump them before they do then they clear all the lines. don't go forward with the button mashing, have the player switch to some tool like an electric saw or shithammer instead
Hi guys, I just wanted to pop in and suggest quakeworld over netquake. quakeworld is played worldwide is what it boils down to. I mean, you can host netquake server for your friends, and it's really just gonna be for your friends, and you might have more trouble setting it up.
I know y'all have strong aesthetic preferences, but qw has great features. http://imgur.com/a/qoq41
not a whole lot to look at without textures / detailing. just working on the layout. might inspire someone with the basic architecture though looks like a decent board to me, I would consider adding several teleporters to get to the upper area.
http://www.gog.com/game/quake_ii_quad_damage
http://www.gog.com/game/quake_iii_gold The forum for Quake series might answer any questions you have about the specifics of these releases or their full contents. Apparently they are not for sale in Germany. Forum: http://www.gog.com/forum/quake_series#-62169992008 Region locked games on GOG: http://www.gog.com/mix/regional_locked_games_on_gog It's got some quake stuff on there.
http://louismanning.wix.com/ijed It's very early but I'll be adding to it as the other stuff I work on gets updated. Still need to pass over lots of documentation I've got in various formats and add the smaller Quake projects I've been part of. No post mortem for RMQ just yet, but I'll get around to it. I can receive your email,
but mine to your adress bumps out with the usual: This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. it's one way only.
And no, no bad intends, I just realize what the error causes. Seems the European server tricks my posts. Sended three mails and they all come back. BHVR STGO.
I see footage of the 40K game now and again, it's coming along - though I've not met Steven. Yo yo yo!
Alright, I think I have the kinks ironed out and can cut the red tape on my custom DM server I've been toiling away to get working. Here's some additional information on the server: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ItnaM9OEla9KsCnl8MNpYSHUdR0XoiXd9mtczC_8YJI/edit?usp=sharing You should be able to join the server here: acres.pwnz.org The current list of maps (there are 13) in rotation include: utressor lundm1 auhdm2 baldm6 efdm8 bovine oma gomdm2v2 rtz xl1dm6 uzul aggressr rf Some old, some new, all great DM dueling or FFA maps. Let me know if you can connect correctly (and what your ping is). Maybe we can find a time to DM it up? Also, the server is using RuneQuake But the ping is too bad for netquake. Couldn't measure (server doesn't respond to ping), but it's not fun. Great to see rtz is in the rotation, though! Would love to see some demos!
I been following Total Warhammer, Vermintide, Battlefleet Gothic, and Mordheim City Of The Damned....but not that one.
At least the connection worked!
Given prior comments here, I might work on getting a QW version of the server up and running as well on a different port. We'll see if that helps at all ;) ]connect acres.pwnz.org:26000
trying... Connection accepted ] Then it just sat there. Do I need to run that runequake mod or something? I don't know anything about MP. Was using quakespasm. No, you don't need to have the runquake mod running at all, it's serverside only.
Can you connect to other servers using Quakespasm? I didn't think Quakespasm was used much for MP, but I could be wrong. It's possible that client won't work? The server's netquake right? tried in fitzquake:
]connect acres.pwnz.org:26000 trying... still trying... still trying... still trying... No Response Server Map Users --------------- --------------- ----- No Quake servers found. Host_Error: CL_Connect: connect failed ] My internet connection was out this afternoon. I swapped out the router for a better one and should be up and running. Sorry about that!
I was able to connect with quakespasm, jumped around for a minute but the lag felt like 1/2 second or so.
QW would likely be better, I guess? I got connected with both proquake and mark_v (latest version).
I'm based in the north of england and I'm getting about 190 ping (that would have made me a low ping bastard in the old days). I reckon if you switch to quakeworld it will shave 50 off the ping and the client side prediction will make it playable, definitely feels very ice-skatey right now though. Could be worth monitoring the traffic and giving a peak-time or optimal time so that people will know when best to join. Hell, maybe even organise a mini tournament? :) Plenty of mappers here as well, how about some new maps? I would contribute for sure :) Yes, I'll look into getting QW configured on a different port and see how that performs for people. Happy to give it a shot!
In terms of maps, after about 2004 or 2005, the number of custom deathmatch maps looks like it really dropped off. There were a handful of authors making DM maps it seems, but not many. http://mpqarchive.pauked.com/index.php
The list of maps here is comprehensive. I'm surprised you didn't include aerowalk or ZTNDM3. Yes, I know all about MPQ. The server has all of the maps in my map database (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Py55XH3PZBRCf9kj0yh6ozQsgV7PV0he2PO4GBbssts/edit?usp=sharing) at its disposal as well, should players want to jump onto those maps.
The idea behind my server though is that 13 maps at a time on a featured map rotation. Aerowalk and ZTNDM3 at great maps, but they are nearly as common as DM4 and other stock DM maps, and I'm wanting to showcase maps that aren't the ones usually played. I was working on converting my last Q3 map to Q1DM... but Simon ambushed me and beat me over the head with Q1SP stuff to do. I'll finish the conversion someday...
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hey, awesome I'm wanting to showcase maps that aren't the ones usually played hah, heh, eh, yeahh :( Cool. Though I also would prefer QW, otherwise the distance is just too much to handle ping-wise.
Btw. some more map picks including the infamous lundm1: https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/dmc3.html (they still support DM) still trying...
Afaik that's standard netquake engines being annoying. They require a randomly chosen port to be open or something. Baker put a lot of work into making it easier so proquake or mark v might still work. When necros was trying to connect my whole
Internet connection was down. Also, the server is running ManQuake, which is a slightly modified version of ProQuake that Slot Zero created (he made RuneQuake). A bigger tweak is that it uses a defined range of ports for clients, so you don't need 1000's of port open. nice website!
btw, 'stygian' sounds really awesome. I wonder if there would be enough interest on func to start a "board & tabletop games" thread. Agree that modern games can feel under-polished/refined, and it's hard to get reliable reviews on how good the gameplay is. I like deckbuilding games, have you played Ascension? Am I the only one who sees a blank page where ijed's website is supposed to be? On both Firefox 41 and Opera 32.
Thanks Eric, just working on closing the last two Items, which is proving tricky. Once I've got it together I can send you a cold test version if you want - it'd be interesting to see if it's playable without me there to explain it. But it'd be a lot of work to print so maybe better to wait for the first prototype :)
I'll have a look at Ascension. As to Wix not working for everyone - I got distracted writing stuff and forgot to do proper cross country testing. Where is everyone? Could totally start a boardgame thread. For 4-6 years I was heavily into them. Still am although time to play has been a challenge lately. I did a game published though, which is sweet.
BTW, my blog at www.big-game-theory.com is mostly about Boardgames still. Interesting stuff!
No doubt I'll be mining it for ideas for quite some time :) I used to play a lot of tabletop games - Games Workshop stuff mostly, but stopped when I realised video games were cheaper and more flexible to create. I had a pretty big collection of most of the game lines, all with customised miniatures but none of them painted. Sold the lot for a few quid, back before GW got greedy. Favourites were Space Hulk, Epic and Necromunda. Space Hulk was great because it harked back to the days of Space Crusade and Hero Quest, which were both surprisingly deep 'kids' games. I've also been doing some writing for the growing website explorminate.net - which covers lots of strategy game stuff.
Regading my server. It would be fun to maybe plan a night of death matching on a few custom maps if enough people can get a decent ping. Any takers? Really trying to find a reason to justify buying Cthulhu Wars right now. -_- sooo expensive =/
So I updated the prominence DM map database more:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Py55XH3PZBRCf9kj0yh6ozQsgV7PV0he2PO4GBbssts/edit?usp=sharing Basically, I added a few more maps I had floating around, including some older ones from primordial ooze days of Quake mapping (1996 + 1997). This stuff was added mostly for history sake. All maps now have images, the basic info (map name, author, date), and I did a huge visual sorting of the texture set and/or themes, so all maps should have that assigned now! Yeah! If you follow the link, you should be able to go to DATA >>> Filter Views and resort the list by author, by texture set, by release date, etc. Sorting it by release date is pretty cool, you can see right in the images the evolution of the quake mapping scene. Q2 comes out and BAM - you get Q2 textured maps, then Unreal/Kingpin, then Q3, etc. Pretty interesting. If you want to cycle through all the images, you can follow the link under "IMAGE" in header row to see the full drop-box photo album. All images are HD size. Enjoy! Mmmm map porn. Even without trimp it's pretty neat! :-) I'm tempted to start trying them in chronological order...
Does anyone have a good idea of how many Quake DM maps are actually out there? 400 sounds like a lot but I wonder if that is just a drop in the bucket. (...wow looks like Quaddicted has over 3000) Did you manually take all those screenshots or did you do something like automating shots from intermission points (or other entity)?
First a question - what's the deal with trimp? Is it some secret map only the cool kids know about? I played it and it doesn't seem particularly particular?
As for the screenshots, those are all manual :O. Took a while :) If someone wants to point me towards speed map packs I can a look at them. No promises though. trimp is an ugly sunavabitch but it was one of the most popular custom FFA maps on kitty1 back in the day. Quite possibly we all had bad taste back then! I still like it for LANs tho with my fellow casual Quakers.
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/?filtered=speedmap
Problem is that only the first few packs are strictly DM maps, after that it quickly becomes mostly SP maps. And most really aren't that good to begin with! :D They were more enjoyable for the experience of getting together and mapping and playing the maps for an afternoon laugh rather than actually be good. well, if the aim of this list is completeness, it seems like you should include all the DM speedmaps. If you actually want to limit it to quality maps, that's different then.
.... Have it be more towards the later in terms of quality. That's not the only driver, as I'm also including a number of maps from older eras that were popular or "good" in comparison to their peers of the era. It's also focused a bit more on the map authors that tended to be active in the community at one time or another.
The left most column is my own completely subjective opinion of the maps. The maps with 1, 2, or 3 stars are all of interest in some respect. The maps with a "-" are ones that I included for completeness sake, historic reasons, or something else. I'm in the process of selecting 169 maps (13 * 13) to host on my 13 Acres of Hell server. I'll probably try to package up all the maps in a bundle along with their readme's for easier downloading for people that want to play (I'm assuming this is okay?). It should provide a nice curated list. I'm also thinking of hosting omicron bots or frikbots on another port so that if I'm playing vs bots people will see someone in the server and maybe join in. We shall see! Looking through the Dropbox album now. Really glad you did this! DM maps and their history have been a little ignored compared to SP maps, over the past few years.
Would you say this doc is ready for public viewing? It's not like there's a horde of old Quake players waiting to descend on it, but it would be neat to mention it on some other forums. ... I'm wondering what I should do about linking to the files. I'm temped to just take my folder with all 406 maps in it, zip the thing up, and provide a download link. That way someone could download the entire archive if they wanted. I provided links on the main page to two current repositories where 90% of the maps can be found, but I'm loathe to start trying to track down links to all these, which may or may not work down the road.
Thoughts on how to provide access to the maps? Can I just zip it all up? Break it into a few packages? Provide cleaned up packages? A lot of maps need to be distributed intact (per their authors readme's), but unzipping 406 is a mess. I'd rather sort the mess out for someone else? Any insight or guidance would be great. I would think that a zipped-up folder of all the maps is fine as long as it preserves readme files.
I don't know if there are people who have strong opinions against that, but (for example) there's been a package of hundreds of maps + waypoints for Frikbots that has been distributed around publically for years now, and I've similarly compiled & been hosting a package of all the maps supported by the Frogbots in nQuake or Trinca's progs. I've never run across any criticism of that sort of repackaging. Yes, and the NetQuake server lists on QuakeOne likewise have downloads for large map packs running on servers.
I think will get two packs pulled together, one for the 169 maps I'm running on 13 Acres of Hell DM server (169 = 13 x 13). Then I'll do a full package of all the maps. What fun! I don't think anyone except super nerds worry about repacking maps, especially for distributing DM maps, as long as the
The QW people used to distribute everything without text files. It changed a bit after I ranted and ranted. Servers let users autodownload bsp files anyways. Everything is kinda terrible. Your approach seems great :)
Might be nice to lowercase all filenames before zipping, that way it will work for Linux and Mac too. I don't remember if I linked this last time I saw it. Thought it couldn't hurt to link again.
https://github.com/ThomasHabets/qpov Alright - I compiled all 406 maps currently in the database into a zip file with all the readme files along for the ride. A dozen or so maps don't have readmes
Here's the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx2KSr0TXJqJTTZ5VWRBZ2M3RVk It's also linked from the main tab on the prominence database do-hicky. I stumbled across the complete works of H.P. Lovecraft in Barnes & Noble a few weeks ago and decided it's about time I check him out. I was concerned that the Lovecraftian stuff I absorbed from pop culture would ruin the mystery of it all, that turns out to not be the case.
I really appreciate the scope of most if his stories and the ease in which events taking place across vasts amounts of time and space are conveyed. I'm not very well read and the only thing I can really compare it to is Paradise Lost and the Divine Comedy, both of which are awesome. I also like the pulpy format which keeps it from getting tiring after a while. I started off with shorter stories like Pickman's Model, Cool Air, In The Vault, The Temple, The Nameless City, and of course, The Call of Cthulhu. Of these, I found The Temple to be particularly compelling. I feel that it could easily be adapted to film and be really sweet. The Nameless City screamed Quake, or really just video games in general. It was interesting to see that Quake's aesthetic really only has bits of Lovecraft influence instead of a full-on copy. Quake is basically medieval fantasy with a dash of Lovecraft. Not sure where I'm going with this, perhaps just to say that if you haven't read Lovecraft already it may be worth your time to pick it up. The atmosphere and aesthetic leave quite a bit of room for interpretation and could inspire some pretty cool landscapes and playspaces. I see the irony in suggesting Lovecraft on a Quake forum, but I think Quake only tapped into a small facet and that there is much more that could be expanded upon. Kell, who hasn't been seen around here in a while, loves Lovecraft so much he made a hidden shrine in Contract Revoked with his picture and an epitaph. And he basically put half the HPL bestiary in Quoth.
There's Lovecraft influence in Quake because of two things: 1) ID level designer Sandy Petersen also created the Call of Cthulu pen and paper RPG 2) They kind of rushed at the end and put in whatever Quake clearly isn't an HPL game, but HPL is the thing it borrowed from most visibly. Is massively huge. As a non-native English speaker, it was a challenge to fully read it.
In some of Lovecraft's stories our perspective changes so much in the end, that it's compelling to read everything again. Others, like The Music of Eric Zahn, are more entertaining than challenging; a joy to read from start to finish. WHO says bacon and other processed red meats are a cause of bowel cancer.
Why bacon. why. Kill me An easier way of remembering is that when ijed makes a map, a new engine happens.
Warpspasm -> FitzQuake 0.85 Remake Quake -> RemakeQuake engine ijed makes a crappy speedmap and bad lighting using BSP2 in 30 minutes -> Spike Mark V BSP2 support Rubicondomitis -> Quakespasm with alpha support From my board game before going onto the next step.
The break has been some Quake related archaeology: http://louismanning.wix.com/ijed#!warpspasm/b9nxg Apparently it displays badly for some, hit f5 or dump your cache if so. The format is terrible and I've a lot more images and layout to fix just yet. By all means leave feedback if you want, but it's so basic and bad right now that I'll be reconstructing most of it anyway. The mapping itch is there, but I can't indulge it just yet. Which story it is? Warcraft's, WoW or a new version? I have seen so many changes in the story since WoW appeared that i don't know which is which anymore.
Anyway, I am interested on it. Looks pretty underwhelming tbh. Looks like it's gonna be a hard sell to non-nerds. Probably gonna bomb hard.
Should've gone full-CG, made it more stylised, and made it look, well, fun I guess. Which it doesn't at the moment. "Should've gone full-CG"
My friends are all saying this as well. That's what Blizzard does exceptionally well. Why not leverage that for the movie? I don't even... At a guess I'd say it's because full cgi has a bad box office track record for mass market. Whereas the live action mix has been doing great for super hero movies recently.
With Skack Ross: http://www.twitch.tv/skacky
At a guess I'd say it's because full cgi has a bad box office track record for mass market. Whereas the live action mix has been doing great for super hero movies recently.
"Uncanny Valley" CG films like Polar Express, Beowulf, Final Fantasy etc. have all pretty much fallen flat at the box office. The mistake is trying to make it look realistic. They shouldn't do that, it completely destroys the charm. The real problem with Warcraft though, from the trailer, is that the dialogue, acting and story looks like rubbish Eragon-level D-grade fantasy. <Shamblurp> okay so i just stuck my knob in a glass of jack daniels and coke
<Shamblurp> kinda tingly on the bellend 20 years deceased middle-aged softly-spoken hippy artist vs the most popular e-sports in the world on the opening night of Blizzcon:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-B3jofEPjsAw/VkNd5rKLAfI/AAAAAAAAAdA/y4maUJI3jqI/s1600/robboss1.jpg Reading user comments for Fallout 4 on Steam, I learned that "mostly positive" actually means "almost 10%".
The Fallout fandom has long been some of the worst scum on the internet, it doesn't matter how good/bad FO4 is; if even the slightest changes to the formula was made, they'd be going apeshit. We're not even a tenth as fanatical about Quake as some of those fuckers are about Fallout.
I haven't played it... but half my friends list on Steam has been playing constantly since it came out. I highly doubt they would be playing so much if it was terrible. Fallout and Elder Scrolls scratch an itch that's difficult to get scratched otherwise. I don't particularly find them very enthralling, but they're not awful. They're just good at being a single player MMO.
Eh, that's people focusing on shit that doesn't matter. At all. :)
That's forest-for-the-trees type stuff. Eh, I wasn't going to buy it. I was just surprised at all the negative comments. When it drops to 1/2 price maybe I'll buy. I don't think my video card meets minimum specs anyway.
Been watching CohhCarnage play it, and by that I mean "watching CohhCarnage wrestle with the kittens his wife placed on his head mid-stream". I think this shows off the game quite well.
It's a shameless post-Apoc Skyrim mod, with an emphasis on collecting every fucking piece of crap in the game, and a load of sim village bollox thrown in. The combat looks kinda good, on the rare occasions you actually encounter it and don't spent the whole time in dismal ruined buildings picking up staplers and cigarette butts from a decrepit desk. The outside bits looks sweet graphically, especially the day/night cycle, the dismal ruined buildings less so, especially with the bland pip-boy lighting. Basically if you like endless fucking around in a wasteland environment and fighting at least 2 monsters every 10 minutes, great. For me....it doesn't quite inspire me enough. Are always about playing with your action man figure, dicking about combining springs with sprockets so your gun doesn't become useless at shooting mutated dogs, cops or zombies. Or collecting dog hides to turn into a magical helmet of +1 dex.
I couldn't get into stalker, GTA, WOW or any of the other most awesomest games ever either. I'm sure there is a game hidden within all the fluff, but I can't be arsed to dig it out. Well, Fallout 4 is Fallout 3 except worse, which was hard to do, but always bet on Bethesda to fuck something up further.
- The dialogue system is one of the worst I've ever seen in an RPG. No speech checks and other similar stuff. In FO1, if you had enough speech and intelligence points, you could argue with a character and convince them to kill themselves. This was ONLY if you had high enough points there, with additional dialogue options. How rad is that? And I'm not counting the countless NPCs with additional dialogue options. Make a low intelligence character in FO2? People treat you like a dumbass and Vault City considers you too much of an untermensch to enter their city. There is nothing like this in FO4. You are stuck with 4 miserable choices and you don't even know what your character will say before you select the reply. - Virtually zero choices & consequences and almost no karma, resulting in quests that generally end the same way with each playthrough. The Junktown situation could be dealt with in many ways in FO1 for instance, and the consequences of your actions could be felt both immediately and later on. - Recycled story from FO3, except with inverted roles this time. Boring. - Completely static factions; at least NV tried to be like the first two games in that regard: you could join/betray factions and your choices had a lasting impact. Here? Nada. - It also goes without saying the game is ugly as sin, but it also bears little to no relation with the original artstyle that was still somewhat there in FO3 and NV. It's all cutesy and stuff now. Bethesda clearly has learned nothing from Obsidian. There's a couple reasons why NV sucks less than FO3: better writing and better RPG systems. FO4 has none of that and does away with the few things FO3 did decently. I'm not even talking about bugs, technical issues and glitches because everyone knows Bethesda games are never finished, but everyone seems to love them regardless. Hell, some of the bugs are exactly the same as in Skyrim! In the meantime, wake me up when Bethesda makes a decent RPG. I feel like I'm playing a totally different game. Loving Fallout 4.
"It also goes without saying the game is ugly as sin" They don't have the greatest graphics engine for sure but this is heads and shoulders above the brown/green mush that was Fallout 3 and the drab brown/grey that was NV. Go along with some other views I've seen, that this is sort of Rage2, with far too much FPS and far too little RPG.
If only I'd seem the slightest bit of evidence of that, I might actually be interested. And the FPS aspect isn't even good, which is another nail in the coffin. It's slightly better than FO3 (weapons pack more of a punch, slo-mo VATS is better than paused) but it's still plagued with lethargic weapon feel and bullet sponge enemies.
I have a very vague recollection someone did at some point....but can't recall any details. Nice idea though!
I'm not sure there's even agreement on whether they're dimensions or planets or what.
Fat Controller described it in the readme for something or other once as a "multifaceted hedron" (I think), so I've just sort of gone with that. It's infinite as long as people want to keep writing dark level stories in it. Every new texture set's a new dimension! Saying each episode is a different dimension is flawed.
Episode 1 definitely hops around. I'm sure E1M6, E1M8 and whatever the name of the chthon map is, exist in different dimensions to the other E1 maps - are those metal maps in the same dimension as E3 though? Right now I'm thinking it's probably just some sort of multifaceted hedron, as Lun says, or perhaps a metadimensional geoscape. Maybe even a pan-physical multiverse. Well, that makes sense. Every map transition that goes through a portal can signal a transition between different dimensions/worlds.
That leaves the maps connected through arch exits as the only ones that surely belongs to the same place. Metal maps Are set in the "bad future" that awaits the universe if Shub-Niggurath's plan is successful.
I don't need 12 million sales to say that. It could have sold 3 copies and I would stand by it.
Religion is also popular. And bad.
Which is why I wouldn't fight popularism as q good metric for quality Also, Warren, please make a FO4 mod that simply adds proper shadows to the pip boy torch / light, just like Gothic 3 could do waaaay back a fucking decade ago. Then it won;t look like shit, then it might be slightly appealing.
Sandy Petersen is doing an AMA on http://www.reddit.com/r/iama today, I think around 1pm EST.
AMA Reddit thingy As I keep repeating (forced to do so by the cruel lashings of Pit and Ben, my taskmasters), I am doing an AMA today - it's just about an hour from now. It will be on the IAMA sub-reddit (of course). How big is Cthulhu's penis?
Cthulhu reproduces by fission, not sex. As a shape-shifter, however, he can turn his whole body into a giant dick joke. This guy gets it. Sometimes he makes some kinda bold allegations:
"In fact, I designed 20 out of Doom's 27 levels." Designed or co-designed? It's hard to believe that Romero and the others together made only a such small fraction. If it was Doom 2 or one of the other episodes I would not be surprised. I did hear that one of the versions was almost entirely sandy.
"Hey Sandy! I work in mobile game development, and one thing I've been thinking about a lot is how to get more women (and please don't take this as an insult) in your age group interested in game design?"
"Sandy is actually a man." A brainfart.
Replaying this Doom wad by Aard, Biff and Lun, I thought it might be a nice side project / mini event to do something like that again. The basics of Doom mapping are very easy to pick up and there are several advanced tools available, like DoomBuilder (think TrenchBroom for Doom). Would be cool to have a little jam-type of event where we made a bunch of simple levels just for the fun of it - especially coming from a non-Doom mapping background for the most part, thus perhaps less pressure for perfection. If a ZIP was provided with all the necessary tools or something, I could be down with that. A simple DOOM jam sounds fun...
A few years ago I got the idea to finish an old Doom map I started well over 10 years ago, but never really finished.
I installed DoomBuilder and started playing around. Though I quickly got sidetracked and the map is still unfinished, I don't recall it being all that hard to get used to working with the editor. I think the only other program I had to get was some kind of texture manipulator. All you need is Doombuilder, preferably one of the latest dev builds of GZDoombuilder, and of course the Doom2 iwad. Should work out of the box; if not, you might need to install SlimDX, too. While you're at it, grab some source port for for easier playing/testing, e.g Zdoom or prBoom.
You can load one of the original maps to see how things work. Basically, what you do is draw the layout of the level and compartmentalize everything into sectors (DB does this automatically) which then can be assigned different floor/ceilings heights. There's a 3D mode for texture alignment, and so on. Downloaded it to have a look, seems very cool to use but it crashes every few minutes with no error msg :P
Are there any modern games that aren't plagued by dialogue? Are modern gamers like Rufus from Street Fighter IV?
Case in point, military shooters. Why doesn't the soldiers STFU? And for seriousness, I'd be in for this. Doom editing has come a LONG way since I last dabbled. This is actually fun
Why are there so many tools in the toolchain for quake? Why has nobody combined them into a single tool with command line options for skipping a step?
I would have thought that for intercompatibility between tools this would be a good idea. people are probably satisfied enough using separate tools, plus it does mean you can mix and match your favorite variant for each step.
All editors are set up to run bsp, light, vis without the user having to care whether they are 3
If it ain't broke... And yeah, it allows mix and match, although I can't personally think of a reason not to use ericw's variants for everything now, but hey. Funny things happened in my wish map when I switched from the Light where color was first added to ericw's version (from last year to be fair). It seemed like some lights disappeared, so I changed back.
If I can get time to start working on the map again I'll try to figure out what was wrong. As I best remember, they were weird little fill lights with values like light 5 delay 1. Maybe it was just a small bug that has been fixed. For mapping, there aren't too many tools; unless you count texture/wad creation/editing, which can be a tricky pain indeed.
I guess simpler workflow, less mixing and matching of tools, a more consistent end product that is easier to trace errors?
I'm not implying that there is anything wrong with the current system. I just wondered why nobody ever combined them. I met him 2-3 months ago, seemed like he was pretty busy with work & real life stuff and said he doesn't see much of what goes in the Quake community anymore...
Cool. Maybe a discussion thread is in order at some point if a bunch of people are interested in doing this.
Hello.
Yeah, I'm kinda busy lately so haven't really been following Quake as much as I used to. Haven't had time for Fallout 4 yet, but started playing Witcher 3 a bit. Both games seem like massive time-sinks. Of course, being busy isn't much of an excuse, since a lot of others on here have their hands full with work and family and still find the time to jam once in a while. I'll have to try harder I guess :D I guess simpler workflow
Whether it's one executable or three you are still running a single batch file or pressing a single button in your editor UI. No difference. It's transparent to the end user. less mixing and matching of tools That's a removal of choice, not a benefit. Anyway you don't have to mix 'n' match at all, just go to ericw's page and get the latest. Job done. a more consistent end product that is easier to trace errors? I don't think those are issues that actually exist or would be changed by merging vis, light and bsp into a single exe. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just trying to say I don't think there is a problem here. If you can describe an actual problem that happens when mapping that backs up what you are saying then that would be different. "Anyway you don't have to mix 'n' match at all, just go to ericw's page and get the latest. Job done."
Sure, but that's a fairly recent development in the total of Quake's lifetime. In past years there has been a lot of mixing and matching the proper BSP tool, for example, depending on what you needed/wanted for your map. It's a good thing, for sure. But it also helps explain why nobody has bothered to make a universal compile tool.
I wouldn't be against merging tools if there was an actual reason to do it.
Only thing I can think of is if light and vis could use some data that would normally get lost after the bsp stage. One thing that springs to mind is the func_detail stuff, but that is solved currently by outputting the prt2 file. Please don't misconstrue me, I'm not saying anything is wrong with the current setup. All I was wondering is why it was never merged into one.
The discussion has segued me into another usage, a tool with multiple methods included. a-tool.exe blah.map -light_tyr a-tool.exe blah.map -light_ericw a-tool.exe blah.map -light_argh a-tool.exe blah.map -light_bjp At this point all I'm doing is thinking out loud. If you hate these ideas then that's cool too, they're just ideas. And I'm certainly not experienced enough as a programmer to make this happen anyways, so at best it's a thought exercise. a-tool.exe blah.map -light_tyr
a-tool.exe blah.map -light_ericw a-tool.exe blah.map -light_argh a-tool.exe blah.map -light_bjp But...but...why? Why would you want a light tool that has options to emulate various other (old, mostly obsolete) light tools - just use the genuine article.
Who would write and maintain this "history of light tools" tool? Who on earth would want to use it? The maintenance is the largest hassle I see there. One of those light utils gets updated, now someone has to go into the monolithic app and make those same changes
Then why is having the ability to mix and match tools better? What I was suggesting, in my awkward way, was a single tool that compiles, vis and lights, using whatever method you select via command line options, rather than multiple tools.
It's largely academic as it will never be made anyway, but surely an approach like this has benefits for those who for whatever reason would be switching and changing executables in JH or similar. I'm not saying anything is wrong with the current setup.
Which is why no one has bothered with your proposal. A combined tool would be more complex and thus harder to maintain while having no benefit whatsoever. There's nothing else to discuss here. Shamblernaut, are you looking for ease of launching all 3 tools at once? Someone could write a wrapper program like:
qcompile -bspopts There's also necros's gui, or just make a custom batch file. There is a real benefit to mixing and matching. Rebb's qbsp has some advantages over the one in my tools, though I pulled in some of his changes in the latest tyrutils-ericw release. Actually ericw, I'm really happy with your tools paired with the JH interface to be honest. :)
I will have a look at necros' gui as this is the first I've seen it mentioned, sounds interesting. As I said, it was more musing out loud and enjoying the conversation than anything actually practical. Then why is having the ability to mix and match tools better? What I was suggesting, in my awkward way, was a single tool that compiles, vis and lights, using whatever method you select via command line options, rather than multiple tools.
Because the people who developed multithreaded vis were not the people who developed dirtmapping. In the monolithic tool world, if these people each added them to a different fork of the tool, you'd have to trade off one for the other, or wait for someone to merge them together. I wasn't going to say anything until it was done but I'm working on a new version of the compiling gui which should be way more flexible and let you save settings and workflows, so stay tuned...
fuuuck, I would really want to make another doom2 map for a func doom2 jam but I reallllly don't want it to be right now :(
also, I've had a big retro-post-mortem writeup on the map metlslime mentioned sitting in the pipe waiting to get finished for Yeah, I didn't want to mention it... but kind of busy with a map for Sock's mod, learning how to do Doom mapping might be a bit much to throw on top. I've never made a Doom map, but it would be fun to learn and make one.
Some days ago Jon on the#terrafusion irc chat suggested a website similar to Doom Bestiary, where people could download monsters, weapons and items for them to use in their maps/mods.
Each entities would also have their The complicated part is for the weapons however, as they need bit slots. But that can be solved by having a section dedicated to weapons and teach people how to properly implement them (weapons.qc part, how do bitslots work and how to implement them according to the slots used by other weapons). Me, I'm all in. That would make creating maps, mappacks and mods easier when we're looking for entities that are out of mods of vanilla quake, and that would make people that make entities for the hell of it a way to share them without resorting to creating a map or mod. I'd also deliver my stuff in there was well as my mod's sourcecode (something happened with the mail I sent to Preach, so I'm resorting on creating my own monsters). Sure thing, it can wait a little. I'm actually surprised this many people would be up for it.
Should Quake engines replace QC with this?
http://lhartikk.github.io/ArnoldC/ I'm up for attempting something if it happens. Still have a Doom mapping itch since contributing a level for 50 Shades of Graytall.
Speaking of the Jam - a suggestion, mainly because it worked well in the project above; Boom (Doom Format) and maps tested using PrBoom+ -complevel 9 info for maximum compatibility across engines and help avoid Zdoomism mapping mistakes. These might be useful tutorials/references for those who haven't mapped for Doom before; Doomworld Link. There is also Slade3 as an alternative editor. It will also provide an easier means to edit the final wad compilation at the end. I might repost this if a DoomJam specific thread is opened. http://onemandoom.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/50-shades-of-graytall-50shadeswad.html
...limiting the available textures to what are widely considered to be the three least attractive options - DOORTRAK, GRAYTALL, and FIREBLU... ...create a mapset whose limited capacity for visuals forced the authors to focus on the aspects of level design related to gameplay... Note the bolded bit. That's what they'd like to happen. In my experience though (and this often happens with "greybox" map projects) is that the opposite happens - mappers just spend all their time trying to come up with novel and clever ways to use the limited textures and wanking over geocomp-style funky brush work. It would have to be vanilla Doom 2, no Boom, no high-limit, no fancy stuff. Keeping it simple for the people here who are new to Doom mapping, and in order to maintain a fun jam character. And in this sense, only Func regulars and lurkers, no public hyping.
but I think vanilla doom 2 and no crazy stuff like negke said is probably the way forward. Although I already did hype the jam to Brett Harrell :P
I hope we're allowed to have custom sky replacements and custom music in our levels.
I'm no expert on vanilla limits, but there is a high chance the visplane or seg limit will be hit before you even realise it - even within the first area depending on your intentions.
If we're speaking strictly vanilla doom2.exe, better keep close tabs on these. Any cases of visplane-overflow crashes or HOMs caused by seg-overflow in either doom2.exe or similar classic-engine (Chocolate Doom) will need to be hunted down and fixed - often by reducing scene complexity or blocking line of sight. If there is no concern regarding doom2.exe compatibility - as long as it works in a modern engine - you might as well classify this jam as a limit-removing project. The Doom community is pretty specific about engine compatibility, especially for vanilla doom2.exe. Just bringing this stuff up to avoid potential problems creeping up later and ensure that the Jam's outline is as intended. Quakis, I highly doubt it's vanilla limits specifically, but some source ports support room-over-room and sloped floors etc which restricts the playability of the wad.
I made some pretty big Doom levels without ever seeing either of those two errors. I actually don't think I'd even heard of them until now.
Quakis is right. If you make stuff too complex, e.g. too many details/sidedefs visible at once, there'll be HOMs and such. This does not occur when playing the level in a limit-removing port.
When I say vanilla, I mean it in a somewhat loose sense - if something needs HOM protection, it's okay; just no OTT stuff or megamaps. There exists a source port that allows you to see if a certain area in a map is going over the rendering limits: http://remood.org/standard/index.php?page=chocorenderlimits&guid=none
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCI230nKQEY
for dev purposes, they couldn't get the stream to be private. ... you spawn facing a key you can't get, a megahealth, and ten monsters' asses.
Why not do a Doom 64 EX map jam? This game is woefully under-supported by the community.
https://doom64ex.wordpress.com/ Well...
"No graphics or sounds from Doom II have been reused in Doom 64; instead, it features completely new sprites, textures, levels and sounds and features a completely different art style." I really hope Lun wasn't thinking that egypt shot was from Doom64. :P
Doom64 stands out as a really great re-imagining of Doom. It has way more atmosphere, has a great soundtrack and art style. It's sadly missing the Arch-vile and Revenant but it's worthy of the Doom name far more than Doom 3 ever was. It really comes into its own when you get to the hell levels around level 8 or 9. It's more similar to Quake in atmosphere.
Doom 64 is what Doom 3 should've been. It's an excellent game, stronger than Doom 2 in most aspects though it lacks the Revenant. I wouldn't mind a Doom 64 EX jam.
The link I posted wasn't the playlist, so here's that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2MWISK-apQ&list=PL25F47CA6F3F95562&index=1 Mapping music. There's a livestream called Salty Bet
http://www.saltybet.com/ that's a continuous endless tournament between AI playing every character from every fighting game ever. It's in no way balanced and viewers can place fake bets with fake dollars. Seeing it made me instantly wish for a 24/7 livestream of a bot playing Doom wads. Something like AutoWolf.
at first glance, it might seem like doing a bot to play doom levels would work, except that as soon as any weird jumping across between sectors occurs, the AI might be confused.
you can see in the wolf ai that it is just following across cells (or whatever the term is for wolf cube spaces). BJ Blazkowicz was just his code name, his real name was actually 'Wolf Einstien'
(Why is there no Wolf icon? we have fucking Counterstrike Serious Sam and Daikatana, but no Wolf?) get psyched
http://lunaran.com/pics/wolficon.png That makes a lot more sense. I was like, sure maybe Avatar wasn't all that good, but Aliens tho!
I've gotten busy with some pretty big stuff so I won't be able to finish my map now either. But I'll keep working on it from time to tune.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1150389
You can FINALLY, only a decade or so after Steam appeared, actually delete games from your Steam account. Get rid of all the mistaken purchases, missold crap, broken ports, and unwanted garbage you never wanted (unfortunately it's not perfect, e.g. pointless shite like Counterstrike Source Beta came bundled with HL2, so you have to delete the whole of HL2 to flush that particular turd). At last I can permanently eradicate rubbish like Dark Souls: Fucking Awful Broken Port Edition, and STALKER: Shadow Of Boring And Ass-Ugly. Thank god. ...why the fuck do you care if games you own, and have no obligation to install, are on your steam account?
I don't want any possible link to their existence. Even having purchased them in the first place is bad enough.
it cleans up the list of games in your library i guess.
Amusing watching Shambler getting triggered by it though You can just hide them permanently. This is a better alternative because it tells you if you own the shit game already and you don't accidentally repurchase it.
Red Letter guy? Mr Plinkett? Pizza? I have no idea what you lot are on about.... I've just always wanted to be able to delete mistake / missold games...just neater and cleaner to me.
You can get rid of stuff-ish by creating a custom category, putting the stuff you hate into it, and collapsing it.
It doesn't delete it but it does remove it from sight which I assume if what is triggering Shambler. Gift shitty games? And the recipient is forced to accept and can't delete them for 6 months
A feature to move those unplayed games you've never installed into the inventory for gifting purposes would be a much more welcome addition.
I would not use a delete game feature but I would happily gift them all to shambler knowing he'd delete them after being annoyed and angry for six months
Why can't you just sell a game bought on Steam?
They're DRMed, so you can't play them if you don't own them. because then there would be a reddit thread where eighty people coordinate to play one copy of a game and then what text_fish said.
valve keep having to rethink how they do steam sales specifically because people get together on reddit and try to game the system. they recently did away with games being on sale for even less on one day of a sale than they are the rest of the time because people kept saying "don't buy it until the last day of the sale, it might go on supersale before then" and it was pushing all their sales back to the last day or to the extra-low-price day everyone knew was coming, so they went back to just one sale price the whole time. Seems like your wish has been granted, Shambler: link
Hey guys, check this out. You can delete games from your Steam account now!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1150389 I heard rumours that someone posted in here yesterday, about 20 posts up, that you could actually delete games from your Steam account??
Sounds rad, can anyone confirm if that is actually true?? yeah hey okay so I was thinking:
there are two rows in the Quake palette which are nearly totally unused. http://lunaran.com/pics/quakepal.png One is that weird second blue row that grows in saturation as it brightens, the last row before the fullbright fire row. As far as I've seen, the only stock textures and assets that use that palette row are that one blue dragon stained glass window, and the textures from the dopefish secret. I'm fairly certain everything else that's blue uses the upper sky-blue row. The other is whichever of the two very similar purple rows you could personally stand to do without. The only significant purple things in Quake are voreballs, runes, the one sky texture used everywhere, and the particles thrown when a spawn explodes. These two rows could easily be averaged/collapsed into one. My point is, there's essentially two whole free rows of the palette that are up for grabs with minimal changes to Quake. Any mod can provide its own palette.lmp override in its basedir and get whatever mileage out of a partially customized palette the artist feels he needs, without really screwing up any stock textures or assets at all. No special engines required. The only thing that would really need to be included would be replacements for the voreball and end runes which make sure they're the same purple as the sky. (If you didn't mind voreballs and tarbaby dust being some other color you could even have three rows.) However, there are additional costs: namely, assets for a palette-plus mod would no longer be shareable, because once you move them back to /id1/ or any other mod you'd wind up with blue and purple shit all over. That runs the risk of creating mutually exclusive asset ecosystems, and this community's been traditionally about freely sharing in that regard. Then again, we've all been using textures from Hexen and Alice and sundry sources with bad-to-passable palette conversions for decades and it hasn't turned anyone off, so an additional stock-palettized wad could easily be created as long as the losses wouldn't be too visually egregious. Plus, wouldn't it be nice to be able to use said Hexen and Alice textures with one or two rows of their actual palette brought with them? Tool support would be a problem: not every common Quake editing app supports custom palettes. QE3 does (getting that editor to actually find the damned palette lump on disk is like obstacle #1 to getting QE3 to work at all), but others don't. TexMex, critically, simply has the stock Quake and Quake2 palettes hardcoded, and mickey vanished from the scene and took the TexMex source with him 15 years ago. This might all be way too much bother for 32 extra shades of brown (lol), especially when engines exist that load full color TGAs, but it's something I've been thinking about. The yellow row is also barely used. So is that sort of aqua greeny row above.
To be honest I have thought about this a lot (I'm actually in the middle of making a new texture set myself). I think the cons outweigh the pros personally. To get more colours into quake I would simply use TGAs. because then there would be a reddit thread where eighty people coordinate to play one copy of a game and then what text_fish said.
Okay, maybe there would have to be a limit on your time played. Similar to getting a refund, but more lenient. if I'm being honest I think I would prefer the Unreal engine 1 implementation of pcx textures. Which is basically that every texture has its own unique palette. File size would be much smaller than using
Yeah but I just think its dafter than a box of weasels to have to modify the code of a number of tools, engines and file formats, to support baked-in unreal-style pcx textures, when external TGA support is overwhelmingly superior AND backwards compatible AND available right now :}
Filesize is a non-issue imo. Fitzquake / QS already supports actual pcx textures, you could put them in a oak file with your map if you don't like loose files.
Fifth, been there, done that - halflife bsp.
palettes still suck, as do standard texture resolutions. storing image data inside your bsps themselves is not good for file sizes, even if they're RLE pcx files. either way, (gl) engines generally already support both pcx and tga external textures. If you want to strip the textures from bsps all you have to do is to set all the offset values of your mipmap images to 0 and strip the image data. Its not a problem unless an engine can't load the correct external texture, in which case you'll just get corrupt textures rather than anything crashy. palettes still suck, as do standard texture resolutions
Regarding texture resolution, I beg to differ. Quake's pixel vision is a seriously legit art style that would still be relevant if someone wanted to make more colourful, but still retropixelly textures. If you are one of those heathens that plays quake in GL blurry mode, then ugh. with TGAs, you can always palettize and maintain pixel resolution yourself. at least the option is there either way.
yeah tgas can also be 8-bit if you want to save those precious kilobytes, or want to maintain the retro cred.
Interestingly, initial tests indicate an 8-bit tga is slightly smaller in filesize than an 8-bit pcx. Heh. I suggested the compiled in custom palette mostly for the sake of neatness. I never have my maps as separate
HYPOTHESIS
After my post in the Katedra thread I was curious what actually makes a good baseline ammo HP to monster HP ratio, so I cheesed some debug info into progs.dat and loaded all the stock maps with it, as well as an utterly unscientific list of random custom maps I had at the ready. EXPERIMENT My metric was to add up monster health, except for zombies, then add up all ammo HP, subtracting the number of zombies from the number of rockets before figuring them in. - Multipliers: 25 per shell, 9 per nail, 30 per cell, 180 per rocket. - Starting shells were not counted. - Totals include all ammo in secrets (there's no way to programmatically filter them out). - No rockets vs Shamblers math was done. We can assume players don't use rockets on shamblers anyway. - Chthons, Shubs, and crucified zombies were excluded. - Numbers for E1M7 are inaccurate anyway due to meat fireworks. - All numbers are skill 2. http://lunaran.com/quake_mapammo.txt Obviously there's a lot of assumptions inherent in this, and how hectic any given map's combat is (hecticness? hecticity? hectitude? let's go with hectitude.) the hectitude of any given map's combat is going to affect how these numbers actually feel in practice, but this is a good learning exercise to establish some boundaries. CONCLUSIONS - the first map of an episode always has way more ammo than necessary. (if I had counted starting shells these numbers would be a little higher even.) e2m1 wins the award for most excessive ammo placement, with enough ammo to kill every monster in the map 7 times. however, we can consider these numbers flawed, because enforcers' cells are all dropped in the first map but can't be used until the player has a lightning gun. - e1m3 wins for most rockets, with 101. (you can only carry 100.) - ratios otherwise hover around the 2.0-2.5 mark. episode 1's are the highest, episode 4 the lowest, predictably, although the plethora of quads in e4 probably offsets that. - even though players of one-off custom maps don't have the benefit of bringing all the previous map's ammo with them (because there was no previous map), the handful of custom maps I checked were still a little more scarce with ammo than the id maps. - the ammo to monster ratio in Katedra is just under 3:1. As fascinating to study these numbers are (and I admire this kind of academical approach to Quake's gameplay), ultimately they're not very useful as benchmarks, because of how much maps vary.
For instance, jam2_lunaran's ratio is 1.9, and could's is 2.7, which would suggest that the former is less "balanced" than the latter, and therefore harder. And in reality it most certainly isn't. Perhaps this code could be expanded to calculate the maximum monster damage/health pickups ratio? This is really interesting stuff. Definitely something the more studious mappers are likely to use
You woke the troll again >___________<
OTOH, - e2m4 wins for most rockets with fucking 118 Made me lol far too much. The indignation of it all! :) So, NarNar Katedral was not so unbalanced after all. Believing your metric, maybe ammo would just be better positioned.
Katedra throws a dribbly stream of monsters at you in wide spaces up until the end, so it's not difficult to be leisurely and precise and wind up not needing much more than 1:1 on ammo. Again, the map's design matters, and for that map 3:1 was probably rather high. Everyone's experience with it seems to bear that out.
The big criticism of RPGSP1 right after it came out was that everyone ran out of ammo in the last battle, and it's one of the lowest on the list at 1.5. He then released COULD two years later and probably overcompensated with too much ammo. ikspq1-4 are also below the average, but on skill2 ikka tended to pack his maps with fucking wall to wall ogres so it was pretty hard to miss anything. I would have said after looking at these numbers that the best target for a map that feels resource-strict and tense but is still fair and entirely beatable with a bit left over would be a little under 2:1, so, the ammo in jam2_lunaran is obviously perfect. Terra1-7 were very well balanced, and once you get out of the dimension of grunt backpacks, the episode squarely averages out at 2:1. Perhaps this code could be expanded to calculate the maximum monster damage/health pickups ratio? If the ammo thing is an inaccurate yardstick, this would be a complete crapshoot. Upload The Progs.dat for science! I actually didn't put it in the id progs. I'd have to redo it in the stock messy item and monster code, so, I could do that later I guess, but not everyone seems terribly impressed with science. I suspect scampsp1 would've had a better ratio if the end arena was cut off... I gave way more ammo than you'd ever need in the last 2 rooms because by that point, conservation of ammo wasn't really the intended challenge anymore.
These are cool numbers though. I think you are right that a 2:1 ratio might be just about right, and I think that's roughly what I mentally shoot for even without seeing the actual numbers. I'd have to redo it in the stock messy item and monster code, so, I could do that later I guess, but not everyone seems terribly impressed with science.
Just finish lunsp2 faster, duh! <Daz_> czg fucking make id let machine games make the inevitable Quake remake ok?
<czg> no. with the stellar job they're doing with Doom we'll all be clamouring for them to remake Quake.
guys, we're safe, read this fanfic to find out why:
doom4 comes out. as soon as people start reading reviews, sales tank just like what happened for rage. bethesda finally has to confront what a turd they purchased, and they see the negative fan reaction to doom4 as a narrow window in which they can close id software's doors without backlash. Nothing wrong with the IP, it should be able to absolutely shit money. But you need to get people who actually know and care about the franchise to make the game.
Wolf TNO was an absolutely incredible game. Get those fuckers to make Doom. Wolfenstein TNO was great, I really enjoyed it. I plan to give it another play sometime soon.
I never thought Rage was bad. Actually I thought it was pretty good. It certainly could have been much better, but it was far from bad. I enjoyed Rage. It got a repetitive after a number of hours, the game ended very abruptly though. It's like they just shipped it without finishing the last 5 levels or something.
While Wolf:TNO is in fact great, it's also very different from Wolf 3D. IMO there is no evidence that anyone currently sad about id's new-Doom would be happy with the new-Doom that machinegames would make.
Interestingly I've seen lots of positive remarks about Doom 4 on the doomworld facebook page (yes, I am in that shitty group). Also lots of positive comments about it at doomworld itself. There's people out there in droves who are enjoy this absolutely wretched mudslide of a game.
There's people out there in droves who are enjoy this absolutely wretched mudslide of a game.
This is what people in 2015 say about func on func. Nick changes always confuse a lot of people. Like dranz -> daz back in the days. negke/necros still hasn't decide which one to use...
But it's more like Cluedo - you haven't been talking to Baker.
Maybe I'm spoling the fun but we're actually a trucker called Beavis and we've been grooming you since you signed in. you've actually only been talking to yourself
on the plus side, you made every map in jam6 shit i just said that damn it The Quake community disappeared by 1998, but few deathmatch cheating bots stayed online. They started to replicate and modify themselves over the internet while servers were going offline. This forum is one of them, flaming against itself on posts, generating maps procedurally on jams and using social engineering to physh innocent mappers like me into its mind games.
That shit is addictive as hell and very easy to use. Still pretty buggy and will eat your face if you do something wrong, but making levels for that game is tons of fun. Already made 3 maps.
No ones the same as MF.
How many crazy Germans does func have ? In aus, we have a lunatic fringe chess forum populated only be a few people, but with many hydras. John Romero just posted footage of id's Super Mario Bros 3 PC port before settling on Commander Keen:
https://vimeo.com/148909578 yeah, keep ripping stuff from other games and mission packs. if you're gonna get a C&D then you might as well do it in style.
I believe he's saying "Romero ripped off Mario".
Anyway, I ended up watching a 1997 interview video called "Legends of Game Design" there at Romero's. It's so great to hear Nolan Bushnell. Are there any quake engines that correctly account for the position of a bmodel when casting dynamic lights?
Dynamic lights takes BSP entity position in account, but not rotation. I always forget to implement the rotation part.
Func is a better place because of you, Madfox. You are like a cactus in the desert or the large hadron collider in winter: constant and immutable.
where we blow smoke up each others asses?
Madfox you are a man among men. You are the anchor that gives my spirit license to soar. my blinking shiny ass!
I was saying I just found out Simonoc is Sock. People started to joke and I forgot the reason: I'd like to thank Sock for that rock tutorial on his site. It triggered a stream of mapping discoveries and fun to me, experimenting rock and terrain works using brushes. It's a delicate craft, it requires some science to make valid and coherend grid-tied geometry look like organic, natural formations.
Ah, and negke and necros are not the same guy, there's no negkros. Stop messing with my head like this, you gaslighting trolls.
It was recently estimated that over 80% of all the accounts registered on func represent the same person, but no-one really knows the true figure.
How do you make sprites? What do the numbers mean in sprites.qc?
Anyone else getting that? Maybe for https://www.quaddicted.com/ and http://www.quakeexpo.com/forum/ too? I'll look into it, had no problems except for slowness.
httpS://quakewiki.org/ right? I have to fix http://quakewiki.org/ Chrome works for me. However, it does not show a lock icon (i.e. secured site) although it says https://www.quaddicted.com in the address bar.
Wondering why, I clicked "View Site Information" in Chrome (click the page icon to left of the URL in the address bar) And View Site Information Says: Chrome: "www.quaddicted.com This site uses a weak security configuration (SHA-1 signatures), so your connection may not be private." Got no info about the
Can anybody care to explain to me how to make But first I wanted to look at the explosion, bubble and light orb sprites to be sure on their location and how they animate properly in the software and figure out by myself how to make said sprites. Sprites.qc mentions a path called id1/gfx/sprites but such a thing don't exist in neither pak0 or pak1, nor is there a sprite.lmp file.
Is there such a thing as a "ghost" file in Quake? That is legacy from id software's original tools. The way they made sprites and other assets is with some command line tool that scanned the quakec for specific strings. With fimg, you don't need that.
Was Able To Get Into QuakeWiki
How? Also, the wiki lives from contributions of people who know things. If you learn something, add it. I was able to get into it by doing the httpS trick as said earlier.
As for contributing to the wiki, I could get in my method of doing models with Blender. are copyright of Ferrara Francesco and Olivier Montanuy and I think as long as I leave their names included nothing can go wrong.
The articles are for help, and especially the qccspecs comes in handy, because it has a html directed backlead to the other qc elements. I already added it to the quaketastic site under tools/windows/quakec. If I use the httpS://quakewiki.org/ trick I only get the message my privacy gets warned by a hacker. http://philipbuuck.com/announcing-handmade-quake
Handmade Quake will be a series of videos and blogs where I rebuild the original Quake from scratch, line by line, system by system. It is named Handmade Quake thanks to the inspiration of the Handmade Dev community, and following the spirit of their manifesto, we will be starting with a blank Visual Studio project, nothing pre-written at all, and file by file, will turn it into the source code that id Software released to the world in late 1999. That guy is going to get totally and absolutely owned.
He is terribly underestimating and doesn't have the foggiest idea of the internal systems involved (collision, bsp, the QuakeC virtual machine, etc.) and seems to have no clue how complex things like a sound mixer are. He's in for rude awakenings upon rude awakenings. Zwiffle said:
We should get Sock to make that [Roman] mosaic into a texture set no one will ever use. Why "never use"? It was a beautiful mosaic. There are really nice textures at Sock's site. Why not use them? How does a texture set should be, so most people want to use? Your texture set wish list, please. That was a joke. Sock mentioned to me that he had spent a lot of time taking photos of some church or summing, cleaned them up and made a texture set out of it
What Baker said.
That guy seems to have been raised in the system analysis & object-oriented programming culture. He's going to bang his head in the wall multiple times every day before actually understanding how Quake was coded. His "modular YouTube series" proposal is impossible, because Quake is not modular (some of its systems are almost modular, but Quake was coded with a "Get this thing to work and ship it!" mindset, so messy intertwined code is the rule). He would have better luck if he just wanted to play with Quake's assets using code written from scratch (without trying to replicate the original code). For his project, there's no need to be faithful to how Quake works. I was super psyched about this at first but...
He isn't going to actually write it from scratch. :( This API happens to be the code that Quake actually uses, but while watching the video, the aim is to make it as though we are creating it ourselves. The main source code, in the end, is not anything I've built myself. It's the Quake source code from id's Github. https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/3xy110/announcing_handmade_quake/cy90vnl Eh, I think you guys are a little down on this
I think it's going to be fun. This trypophobia.com thing is giving me trypophobia. Couldn't look at the images. But I see, a nasty flesh texture pack...
Eh, I think you guys are a little down on this
Same, unless he has a really annoying voice, which often ruins video tutorials for me. Ideally I'd like it to be done in a refined, Roger Moore-esque purr; the vocal equivalent of sinking into a leather Chesterfield sofa whilst wearing pyjamas, but I'll understand if that's not possible. Speaking of audio, he figures out the microphone around the third video in so don't worry about the sound being stupidly low and hard to hear at first.
Doesn't particularly sell it considering its the very first thing you should be solving (how to get your content of a decent quality and uploaded to wherever it needs to be) in order to make a web series.
Having said that, I can understand why the engine guys are down on it. But, he's going to be facing a completely different set of challenges to the ones needed to create and maintain a Q1 engine when it's based off the original code base(s). Doesn't really grab my attention though; my cynicism makes me think Quake was chosen 'because its easy but still 3d'. And watching someone work isn't very interesting, IMO. "Doesn't particularly sell it considering its the very first thing you should be solving (how to get your content of a decent quality and uploaded to wherever it needs to be) in order to make a web series."
It's some dude doing a free video series. I think we can cut him some slack on the production values. Anyone other than func_us willing to give Quake a whirl is something to be celebrated. Merry Christmas!
Its through Youtube though, so he'll get Ad revenue.
But yeah, I tend to be over zealous with the details :( He isn't going to actually write it from scratch. :(
Ah, so not a manly project like Handmade Hero but "here I made some models for Unreal engine". (I'm guessing here ^^) Gay! If that is his plan, he shouldn't be trashing up the meaning of what the Handmade Hero guy is doing. Wait a second? After a quick, re-read
If that's the case and he's using the word handmade, the only way for his karma to balance out in this world would be him walking in the park and a hornet's nest falls out of a tree and falls on his head. Well, real quick
Merry Xmas! Also, check this out: http://www.moddb.com/games/quake/addons/quake-15-weapons-pack/#5669759
I've seen three sock references in 48 hours.
http://i.imgur.com/xqxl7k9.jpg http://i.imgur.com/RWvA7b0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/OGwGhad.jpg IS IT A SIGN?! remember who blew off sock's intentions for projects,
now get them anyway and all other maps fall to dust. 21:14:55 | <onetruepurple> maybe sock already posted it but the mods aren't there to approve it
I wish you all the best for this new coming year. May this bring you happiness, prosperity, fortune, and love.... as well as plenty of new Quake maps and new FPS to play
Posted this on Facebook but I might as well share it here as well
------------- 2015 was an eventful year for us. My life plan completely shifted from "I'm going to work at Epic until I drop dead" to "Actually, what if I DIDN'T do that?". And it all happened in a matter of a few weeks. That's how life works for Sandra and I. We decide to do something and all of a sudden it feels like there's some invisible force driving it along and we're hanging on for dear life. Life can change gears from "I'd never do that" to "Oh god, I'm doing it!" in a hot second. But after the stress and turmoil of that all settled down I've been freelancing for 6-ish months now after working studio jobs for almost 20 years. I've got several packs in various asset stores and am working with a variety of awesome clients who I really enjoy doing work for. I get to work from home and on a variety of different projects - and generally do what I want all day long (as long as deadlines are met, of course). That's a dream come true for me and I feel very grateful for the way things have turned out and thankful towards the people who have helped me along. So, I'm optimistic heading into 2016. I'm hoping my good fortune continues and that Sandra and I can continue working like this for decades to come. Happy New Year. :) Now 2016! It is starting out great! In no small
part due to alcohol! Lots and lots of alcohol! New Years Eve and alcohol! [I'm off, to buy more alcohol! No seriously, I'm out.] Don't worry, it's a short drive in my car. There are no school children out at night. So if I run over someone, it is likely to be a homeless person. Or probably at least be a dead person, because I don't think our current level of science has been able to develop functional zombies yet..
[Dark humor "I already bumped the drunk thread, just for you!"
Great, you started out 2016 as a liar! The drunk thread hasn't had a new post in over 8 hours! My linux firefox keeps getting link hijacked!. Fed14 and now Mint 17. Extension now disabled. When i click on a link, i get another tab opened (typically) to some silly survey site. It seems to come and go. Restarting app doesnt generally fix it. Even rebooting doesn't always fix-it. I don't have the slightest what the problem is.
Not sure if only the mapper themselves can suggest ideas, but what does everybody think of a map jam for Travail? I think it has its own distinctive style like Honey or Rubicon.
Anytime February or later is good for me, and can we make it more than 4 days this time? Maybe a month-long jam?
I'm pretty clueless about network stuff.
It's only some web pages - so might be the ads they run - and often you can see the hovered URL in the statusbar flickering between what it should be, and the injected site. Almost giving up. I tried disabling all the extensions for no improvement... but maybe one of them is doing something surreptitious.
Geez Chrome is fast. Shame they're so hung up on their slick interface that they can't manage to have a bookmark button. Anyway... How the Hamburglar Stole Christmas. Isnottobaad :) http://quakespasm.sourceforge.net/tmp/grinch_doom.jpg Would a BFG that functions like the one in Q2 fit in?
I took a look at Quake 1.5 weapons. Didn't like most of the weapons, but it's a nice try.
I was looking for a mod that shows the weapon like Quake 2, not the center of the screen. Is it possible? I'm using vanilla weapons, although the nailgun is "replaced" by a hitscan machinegun and I'm adding a gatling gun that has a slow windup but can mowdown groups and stomp some high-tier monsters (The hitscan attacks deal 8 damage, and considering it shoots every 0.05 second this means 160 damage/second), although it eats even more nails than the SNG.
Though the Gatling Gun will only be available in a secret level and in a secret in the final level, if the BFG gets in I plan it not to be that much of a secret, as it's a one-shot heavy hitter, compared to the Gatling Gun's continuous mowdown carnage. So, it's a BFG that fires from the center of the screen?
If you're using vanilla, maybe BFG would follow thunderbolt's design? And what about that pistol? But it's a modified engine. Did you have to fix something to make the weapons work firing from the right hand?
I didn't make the mod. I converted the engine from FitzQuake 0.80 to FitzQuake 0.85 + SDL and made it run on the Mac. ;-)
But the models are in Quake That mod is also open source, so you can browse the QuakeC. I can't find the link, but here is a mirror: http://quake-1.com/quakec-gallery/KurokQC.zip That Revolver Rifle is just a reskin of the shotgun. As for the design I'd take Q2's model and redo the textures to match Q1's aesthetics.
And yes, it would fire from the center of the screen. Still good to incorporate it? One thing I thought of is a single shot would take down a Shambler (600 hit points) but because of the nature of the BFG that'd be slow both to fire and recharge, and it would eat either 33 Cells or 50. I make it deal 300 damage instead, so the Shamblers don't become pushovers. You'd still take out half oh their health though.
OBS game capture from the Quakespasm engine results in strangely low frame rates and makes the game controls feel choppy. I have no such issues with Darkplaces. This is on Windows 10.
Anyone else had this kind of issue? Did you solve it somehow? I wanted to ask before testing the various settings and writing up the results, in somewhat systematic fashion. I explored the most common options in OBS already, but Quakespasm always takes a big performance hit when I start game or monitor capture. It is a mystery. You have to play with save as
I never did 1. Open the 2. Save it as wad3 with the name texsetname.hlwad.wad 3. Delete the Also, same first and last letter, same color. Makes it easy to still see the old name, which reinforces the habit.
My point is, Willem should ROT13 his name and make it raspberry pink. Since I'm gonna use it, might as well share it with the others
https://www.mediafire.com/?jv7i5kj9a96ap96 (namely everything minus the gremlin and extra weapons and items)
Is it really just as simple as taking the hip prefixes files, adding their definitions to the mod's fgd file, adding their names to progs.src, compile and call it a day? But really it depends on how complex your mod is and if anything conflicts. It shouldn't - as I remember the hipnotic files are reasonably self contained.
You'll also need to add the filenames.qc to the progs.src file - which is just a list of which files will be compiled. There are a few dependencies here and there though, so when it fails to compile it'll tell you which ones; you then you'll need to merge the missing odds and sods into your mod. Which basically means copy paste the code into your files by hand. If it asks for a global or spawnflag that was not defined it'll be in defs.qc - which is just list of globals declared to be used by the other files. Do that, then recompile. Then fix the bugs the compiler shats out, again. I recommend recompiling each time you fix a bug, since the compiler will usually throw out between 1-500 errors per bug, so it can help you to have a realistic idea of how much impact you're having as you resolve issues. Rinse and repeat until your project compiles properly. Then you can start fixing the actual bugs in how things work. Congratulations, you're now a coder! ----- At least, that's how I learned. It's funny how people seem to think there's some mystical ability that allows people to be coders, rather than just trial and error. The only thing I coded for my mod are weapons and monsters, so I guess I won't have too much problem then.
Does anybody knows where I can find the fgd file for Scourge of Armagon? Google ran me into dead planetquake links.
I'm asking this so that the files I trake from Scourge don't get complicated to implement, stuff like rotating brushes and spawners. Looked into "Tools" and I don't think there's any other sections on the website.
https://www.quaddicted.com/files/idgames2/planetquake/worldcraft/quakefgd.zip
Zerstorer, Hipnotic and Rogue's fgds in the same pack. so I renamed my working mod folder to the actual name I'll use (Razenkrauft), after some QC stuff I wanna boot it but it doesn't want to, which at the same time freezes Explorer, meaning FTEQCC is pratically unusable now.
This stuff happened to me before, when I tried to download what seems to be an up-to-date version and the same thing happened. The FTEQCC I took was once in an experimental mod I used to teach myself some QC, and somehow transferring the software to my actual mod worked. Can somebody help me with that one? I only use FTEQCC because it provides a direct interface instead of the lightning fast DOS prompt which closes immediately when it's done. The basic plot is that some special ruins have been discovered on some distant northern island, so a colony (Razenkrauft) is established here. Yadda yadda monsters come out yadda yadda you're sent here to "investigate" and clean all this mess.
What the Hell, what's the best alternative for FTEQCC?
I can't rely on a thing that breaks itself when you change directory! Always worked for me. And the
There are too many dependencies to know what's wrong on your end. Keep trying stuff. So I tried another compiler, one that's called GMQCC. It doesn't have an interface but whatever, I just want something that works. So I run the thing and it lightning closes as usual. I try to run with with "-pause" but nothing happens, and there isn't even an error log spewing out every time so I don't know if compilation worked or not.
That's just great. Now my mod's definitely on hold because fteQCC is being dependant on something I don't even know, and Task Master doesn't know fuckshit. You know, we might have software that makes a good job at doing models, making them quake compatible, doing textures, making maps, but we sure as hell don't know how to make a compiler that both works and has an interface! Run command line tools from cmd.exe. that way you can leave the command prompt open while you work, and see the output messages.
Use win32-fteqcc.exe from http://triptohell.info/moodles/fteqcc/ . "Task Master doesn't know fuckshit."
Hey, hey, hey! Run it from a dos prompt like Eric said Open the command window first, then type the command in that window and it won't auto close after. Use shift+right click in the folder where it's at and use the "open command window here" option.
But even with ericw's method of doing things on DOS prompt the thing just doesn't want to work. I put the thing in, press enter, it makes me go to the next line, and then I can't type anything. It's not like it's frozen either.
This means fteQCC, because of computer magic, doesn't work for me anymore. Now I'm trying to go back to that GMQCC compiler (http://graphitemaster.github.io/gmqcc/). I was able to run it, but I don't know if it was able to compile it, as I just got a lot of warning lines (I know that doesn't mean the thing didn't compile) but no actual confirmation that it was successful in doing so. By opening Trenchbroom and saying the Hipnotic entities in there I assume it worked, but I'm still not sure. http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/01/1452169600-qmqcc1.png
I was sure to add hipdef.qc in the progs.src file, as well as adding what was necessary for stuff like bulletholes, Armagon's laser canon in weapons.qc and commenting out unused weapons and item bitslots from Scourge of Armagon, so I don't know what's really wrong here. Trenchbroom displays the additional entity slots used by Scourge of Armagon, but it doesn't show the models. This is my hint that makes me say the compilation didn't work properly, as even if I take the ressources directly from the pak (models and sounds), the models in Trenchbroom still don't show up. And I made sure to check my fgd if it has scourge's defs.
Actually provide the necessary model attributes? TB will only show you the models if it knows where to find them. This information comes from the model attributes in the FGD file. See http://www.kristianduske.com/trenchbroom/docs/adding_models_to_entities.html
From what i experimented with them by using for making maps a year ago, i think they are missing some things here and there, so maybe the problem comes from there. And i used the same ones i linked you to, Daya.
You're right, the monster declarations lack the model definition.
This one's easy, but then there's stuff like func_clock, func_counter and func_spawn that have a box that's bigger than the usual sized ones (especially func_spawn_small which is ironically bigger than the usual func_spawn), so I guess there's a model that needs to be attached? But in the end I guess those models not showing up in TB doesn't matter, because the core coding comes from the qc files, and the fgd file's just here for clarification. I'll still declare the monster models though. whether these entities are supposed to have models or not. The size of the box (in the editor) is determined in the def / fgd files also. All that TB knows about entities comes from these files. It doesn't read anything from anywhere else except the model(s) if they are declared in the def / fgd file.
This means fteQCC, because of computer magic, doesn't work for me anymore.
There is no such thing as computer magic, just computer things-you-don't-yet-understand. Are there any absolute pathnames in your progs.src file? What output is FTEQCC giving you in the command prompt? Did it stop working after only changing the directory name, or did you also blindly paste a ton of Hipnotic code in with it and expect it to work? According to the GMQCC output, there's an error in weapons.qc on line 62. Did you investigate this? I just changed the mod directory name, I didn't move fteQCC or any other files out.
And the software just loads for eternity until I reboot the laptop. Task Manager can't find it when this happens. This happens for both the DOS exec and the interfaced exec. Some people told me it's dependant on another program but I don't know how to find this out. As for line 62 of weapons.qc, it has a problem with old_velocity, but it's definied in hipdef.qc, which has been added to progs.src, so I don't know what's the deal here. Have you tried undoing the change that resulted in this? If that doesn't work, this would indicate that you did in fact change more than just the directory name, but you didn't notice or forgot, or maybe deem unrelated.
I think changing the name actually made an impact on fteQCC.I can't retry renaming the directory and run fteQCC, as I've tried to run it this morning and is without a doubt still trying to load at this moment, and I don't want to reboot my laptop right now. Maybe tomorrow.
He didn't ask you what you think, he asked you to do the one thing that would prove your theory.
How long does your laptop take to reboot, exactly? I'll try it now, I didn't want to do it at first cause I wanted to work on that start map
Must be the fteQCC execs. I'll reboot now to take them away.
Tried to delete the fteQCC execs, but it doesn't want to.
What the hell! I was sure they would go away if I rebooted. Then there has to be another program at work, but what is it? Isn't there a way to know which program uses other programs? Cause everytime something like this happens I can't help but say to myself "Yes but WHAT PROGRAM?"
By checking the old fteQCC program that's still lying there, it says the one program that's locking is System.
Oh... This doesn't sound good at all, doesn't it? Especially unlocking fteQCC would mean to close System as well... I also checked the fte compilers I downloaded earlier this day and it says they aren't locked. However when I execute them System locks them away. Is there anything I can do about this? The compiler is just one small program though that gathers up your qc files and spits out a progs.dat.
I tend to have multiple copies (one per project) of it all over the place just for convenience. Even so, this sounds like OS crap. Are you using something toxic like Vista or something? If not, what about your antivirus or possibly DeepGuard - even spyware scanners can lock up a potentially dangerous program (for example, one which compiles files from others...) I heard the management finally lost their sense of humour over his ol' poo-in-the-urinal trick, so gave him the heave. Could be just a rumour, but sources, you know.
I'm using W8.1, and Avast as my antivirus. I don't use DeepGuard.
Though about LockHunter, I just realized there's a "Other" tab, and inside there's "Terminate locking process". I don't know if I should do that, maybe that could imply closing System or do something bad in the process... You're aware that Windows Task Manager have a "programs" tab and a "process" tab, right? Maybe fteqcc shows as a "process" you can kill.
My best bud suggested to add the filepath of my mod to the exceptions of my antivirus and IT WORKED
NOW I can truly go back 8D Most anti-virus are more trouble than they're worth. Internet is the source of most problems and can easily be avoided by just using your head about what you do there. All I use is built in Windows Defender because it rarely screws stuff up, but the browser has NoScript, Ghostery, etc, including a really big hosts file.
Someone mentionned that we got better tools, including better sunlight. I assume this refers to ericw's new light compiler tool, with sunlight_2.
If this is true, does that mean the following screenshot is history, and we can finally get legit outdoor areas with just sunlight? http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/01/1452298654-dp20140614194745-00.jpg Why is it so hard to find local people interested in working with game development?
I mean, interested in WORKING. When I interview potential teammates, if I ask what "living a good life" means to them, the answers boils down to "buying lots of things". Not to creating a good work. Not to being proud of their skills. Not to making a difference. They just want to consume and die. Holy fuck, this is frustrating. I think people who are interested in working on a non contributing thing like game devolepment do remember their efforts lie on the side of pleasure.
With non contributing I mean the urge for money, as with every task in the sense of time surviving. Having a job that satisfies and gives reliable lifestandard is a good thing. Working in game development for me is a hobby and I don't think if I would earn money with it my fantasy would continue long. (.) When I am playing a game I don't need to think, don't have to do that input to solve problems and my only skills are winning the game. It is like scraps, concepts that bear a good intention, a good start but were thrown apart by lack of involvement. That's frustrating. Portfolio before interview.
If they can't even give a link then you just saved yourself a wasted interview. I once pushed for hiring a guy who brought a sketch pad full of random crap. He beat 4 other applicants (1 of which I'd proposed) because even though he didn't have the skills (at that time) he definitely had the hunger to make something. When someone has that it's obvious in their work. The primary use of interviews is as a social test. And socially well adjusted probably isn't high on your list of requirements. Scampie is a shrimp and his blog is called Undersea Adventureland. But he never did an undersea Quake level (1, 2 or 3), unfortunately.
I keep meaning to delete all the wordpress shit from my site and just have it be a listing of my maps.
Your sketch pad guy is a good example of what I'd like to find.
I have authorization to develop a commercial game using a local IP, so, having local teammates would be ideal for everyone to have a clear idea of everything involved. It's pretty much a "garage project", and things needs to evolve more before getting external help. So I updated my version of ericw's map compiler tools since I wanted to compile my start map by using CompilingGui.
Thing is, something which happens mostly when I change directories, be it compilers or source maps, I get an error while compiling that says "Unable to copy file on itself", or something similar. What sucks is that everytime it's solved it's something so mundane or one that's out of the fields of logic or "It just suddenly worked" I forget about it. I just remembered one solution was to take the compiler files from the new directory to the one the overall compiler uses, and overwriting the old ones.
Still, this might be another antirivus thing, but for now the problem's solved. Wait until you investigate the rabbit hole of security exploits of anti-virus suites. They are more often than not making your system less secure.
Resende, RJ, Brazil. A city mostly dedicated to car factories. Software development isn't a thing in the cities around here, much less game development, so the chances are naturally small.
Resende is cooler than Niteroi, right next to Rio city. Since New Year the sun gave us a break, it's been under 32 degrees even in mid day. We're having a cloudy sky here today. Resende must be really fresh now.
Here our best bet seems to be Hoplon, based on Santa Catarina state. I went to a game conference there in 2010 and saw their Taikodom space shooter presentation. Pretty impressive.
There are other gaming Jedis fighting across our territory. For artists, the best option is still advertising market and media companies. Spirit --- agreed and I have probably recently read what you have read on that topic.
/I feel like I'm interrupting the South American discussion, heh. I found out the trouble I have capturing from Quakespasm only happens with the multiplatform release of OBS. It seems to run smoothly with the Windows-only OBS version with similar settings. I didn't know they were that different from each other, so I didn't think to test this earlier.
The next release of MP OBS will have some OpenGL capture fixes for Windows, according to the changelog. I hope it takes care of this issue too. I'll look at it more carefully later. Chris Vrenna on David Bowie:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1164082350276222&substory_index=0&id=141620445855756 Fully expecting a RickRoll here, but Romero released a new Doom level using only the shareware assets
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2x2ee3r51986dkt/e1m8b.zip?dl=0 His take on E1M8. A bit brutal and claustrophobic for my taste, but still good.
That Bruiser Brothers room looked very rad though. Funny stuff, in the readme he states it was a warm-up. We'll see what transpires in the future. 10 secrets!
269 monsters on UV. Tried it from a pistol start - it's hard. Very cramped. Spent most of my playthrough with 20% health, hit a died-without-quicksaving-for-a-while shelf moment. I'll come back to it later. Also rather OK, so what do I need to get this shizzle on my PC - I'm looking for the "QuakeSpasm" of Doom I guess - a modern engine but with no fancy crap, just proper respect for the source material.
If even this seems too feature rich then you could try Doom Retro which is a bit more stripped back... the purest doom experience (short of installing DOS) is probably Chocolate Doom.
I use GZDoom. (It crashes unless you've already run ZDoom in the same folder, though, or else some config file doesn't get written. :P)
and when you're done with this map, play Valiant! a long time ago, zdoom was a good choice. (authentic software renderer with bug fixes and stuff.) I have no idea now.
I still use ZDoom myself. I rarely used GZDoom and it fullscreens on the wrong monitor for some reason.
I have just pruchased "Doom Classic Complete" on Steam.
Let's see how this goes then. My body is ready... Romero confirmed the "warmup" on this map was for his next FPS.
Joke about Daikatana and Romero making you his bitch all you want, I have hope on this one. I keep playing the first level of Valiant because the music is so good. :D
Wow, going to have to check this out It was alright. Pretty average by modern standards, but does feel like a lot of classic Doom vibe stuffed into a single map.
I think I prefer the simplicity of the original e1m8 if you want to put them in the context of competing with each other... luckily we don't need to do that. Now he needs to make a megawad! ZDoom acquired, thanks cheps, and I'm just now playing the original Doom to lube up before I let John Romero slide between my buttocks and make me his bitch with his newly minted masterpiece.
I'm still on the original first episode right now though, so here's a hilariously late and pointless rant about 1993 level design. Doom E1M4 See picture here, with points of interest marked (A) and (B): http://i.imgur.com/f1WCMeU.png You find the yellow door, open it, and enter into the level exit room, but you soon find that the level exit is blocked because a small bridge needs raising (B) There is another door out of this room, and you go through it to find more gameplay, and loop back to the start of the level. You then proceed to spend the next 30 minutes wondering how the fuck you raise the bridge to the level exit, wandering all around the map over and over again and around in circles. Turns out the switch to raise the bridge is that red thing (A) next to the yellow door just before you enter the level exit room and even notice there is a "puzzle" to solve. Fucking lol. Aside from the fact that I don't recall seeing a red light as a button before then, the thing is it didn't even register as a separate element to the yellow door. Just assumed it was a red light next to the door because it's not exactly unusual to see lights on sci-fi doors or anything.
I guess I'd better start mashing the use button on everything that isn't obviously just a generic wall texture from now on. Lesson learned! Decorations were created through 2D sprites or integrated into the textures themselves. They didn't use separate textures with separate geometry like that, IIRC. So, anything that stands out is interactive.
Duke Nukem 3D did, but it came out later. I guess I'd better start mashing the use button on everything that isn't obviously just a generic wall texture from now on. Lesson learned!
How else would you find any secrets? I guess I'd better start mashing the use button on everything that isn't obviously just a generic wall texture from now on.
ffs, are there really big red lights all over everything you'd been taught to ignore by level four? probably lots, in games that came after doom. eh, i can see the design flaw, the button to open the bridge is accessible before you open the yellow key door, but the bridge is after the yellow key door. If you push it before opening the door, you don't know what it does, and after you enter the door and see the bridge you won't think that you need to revisit cleared areas to find a button.
I hope he looks back at the original levels for scale reference. This new map of his was waaaaay too cramped and fiddly. Spoiled what would otherwise have been a pretty good oldskool experience.
I wouldn't be quick to believe that is very likely.
I've seen astronomers argue in the past why the odds of another large planet in the solar system are exceeding poor, and there are numerous reasons. If they can prove it, those astronomers will sure be wrong --- but until this idea is proved it runs against conventional wisdom in astronomy in a great many ways. #6 posted by Lunaran [66.235.55.196] on 2016/01/21 19:44:20
'I hope that's not his reason. If Orl went to the trouble of implementing difficulty levels and really did skip Normal because of macho dickwaving over a video game, that's pretty ridiculous. I play lots of maps on Normal, because I want to check out the neat stuff you guys build and have a good time. What I don't want is to grind my fingernails off on occasionally horrid balance and combat design to prove to myself that I'm "manly enough." ' What about lunsp1's ending, especially on skill2/3? #7 posted by Kinn [86.154.183.77] on 2016/01/21 19:56:14 'I play everything on Normal because when every new map is packed with 400 monsters anyway, it's usually got enough stuff shooting at me.' In the case if kinn_bastion there was no difference between normal and hard skill, was there? Wasn't kinn_marcher the first map to introduce a monster count close to 400 on skill2/3? From The Readme #8 posted by Kinn [86.154.183.77] on 2016/01/21 19:58:53 Quakespasm support might come soon afterward. Is that just wishful thinking, or is it seriously in the works to increase the map extents in QS? On a quick note, kinn_marcher was a map that came with an engine called Win/GLMarcher packed in the zip. The number of engines and engine versions capable of running the map properly greatly increased over the years. Some recent releases are also pushing the limits and boundaries of engines; thanks to the developers the engines are updated for these releases or follow them closely. Let's hope there is no wishful thinking involved. Glad to hear erciw has already been working so that QS can also run oms3. I applaud Orl for going ahead and releasing his map that breaks all limits, has hundreds of monsters, and runs properly in only one specific engine so far. Shouldn't it be the mapper's decision just how many skill levels they wish to implement in their maps? #5 posted by Qmaster [70.195.72.90] on 2016/01/21 19:34:15 Normal is just a setting on your dryer. And who doesn't play on Nightmare on every map? I don't play many maps on skill3, but why couldn't there be a map designed to be played on this specific skill level? There is one at least, actually: i like how the readme of Qmaster's Terracity says: 'Difficulty settings: No, just Nightmare (good luck!)' In the case if kinn_bastion there was no difference
between normal and hard skill, was there? I think you're right - I often forget the details of stuff I made like what...12 years ago? I recall it was because I made a rather rigid monster spawning system so it could handle an arbitrary monstercount without breaking vanilla engine limits. I had time to fix this properly in Marcher. Wasn't kinn_marcher the first map to introduce a monster count close to 400 on skill2/3? Something like that. On a quick note, kinn_marcher was a map that came with an engine called Win/GLMarcher packed in the zip. The number of engines and engine versions capable of running the map properly greatly increased over the years. The map ran in regular, vanilla WinQuake. The enhanced engines just gave you a nice skybox and no packet overflow in the final battles. They were provided for the optimal aesthetic experience, but were not essential for play. oh man! you got me! I'm such a hypocrite!
that map is from ten years ago dude, and I'm the first to admit that the ending was seriously unbalanced. if you search really really hard you can actually read me admitting that very thing in such obscure places as "the web page for lunsp1" and "the lunsp1 release thread on func." you know what I learned from making that map? not everyone plays quake looking for some kind of olympian contest. level design isn't a pissing match to show you can make a harder map than I can play. if the map just had no difficulty spawnflags at all it would be one thing, but by going out of his way to physically invalidate skill 1 by spawning the player in a special fuck-you room, he's trying to make a statement that I don't play quake the "right" way, which is utterly childish. Thank you for your replies.
I thought the skill level and monstercount stuff plus the specific engine requirement didn't strictly refer to oms3. There have been maps before that didn't support all skill levels. Kinn_bastion was a notable example, with basically normal skill missing. There have been maps with a brutal monster count. Kinn_marcher is a good example I think. There has been at least one map that required a specific engine, I think Tronyn's something_wicked was one. Not only that, but they are still considered classics in Q1SP. There have been maps with 'occasionally horrid balance and combat design' on skill2/3. I would call the Chton battle and puzzle of lunsp1 unreasonably hard. You mention you admit it's seriously unbalanced. It does not prevent it from being considered a classic and it's probably no reason not to play it on higher skill levels. I think it was hardly 'macho dickwaving' that made Orl unable skill 1. Neither do I think it's childhish. I thought Orl's way to show there were only 2 skill levels implemented was clear. You don't have to see the readme or map description to know what's going on. I came to think of there being an easy skill as a favour in fact. Well, maybe it's just me feeling guilt as a betatester that I haven't pointed out the lack of normal skill as something players could find disagreeable. I don't think Orl would indulge in 'wishful thinking' about QS engine support. There was no need for me to attack you two though. Especailly about decisions made over a decade ago. I hereby apologize. I didn't mind that monster count was the same in Bastion on all skill levels, and easy skill became a special treat. However, it was necessary to read the readme to be sure, something which players including me sometimes forget or just skip. Thank you for the explanation about the Marcher engines. I do think that in this case the skybox and the prevention of packet overflows do make the difference, even if they are not essential to play the map. I haven't see this posted here yet.
This is apparently the original planned map sequence for quake, posted by scar3crow and based on info from Romero. http://scar3crow.com/2016/01/quakes-original-map-order/ Makes it like a classic linear adventure, with all the military bases with a bit of medieval and metal first, metal undergrounds second, medieval grounds third, and devilish cities fourth.
Though in the schematic I was expecting something like Contra Hard Corps, where the game would have alternate paths via different exits. Mod like that when? You could just change the trigger_changelevel fields and recompile all maps.
Existing ammo/weapon balance(muhahahaha) has to be adjusted accordingly, but on the other hand you can relight all the maps with proper dirtmapping now. the way they shipped it, with a base at the start of each episode, actually makes a lot of sense EXCEPT that the hub level (start.bsp) that connects it all isn't a base map, it's some weird medeival thing, so then it doesn't make sense after all. If you're already in the Quake Dimension, why go back to earth for a bit before leaving it to go find some runes?
Maybe the Ranger only realized that he'd need the runes when he got to the hub.
Anyway, some things in the game's story are up to the player to imagine. Like how the exit of several maps in episode 4 don't match the beginning of their next map. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnq6AY4stoE
Although there's the criminal lack of RoE's Super Shotgun, the map's well crafted in terms of Doom 3's standarts. i like it! that is very well done! i would have removed weapon clips since it already had modded monster sounds and such.
A related video is this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcxJ9Klyct8 Your BFG will make this kind of gameplay possible, for those of us who's into it. WAD for Fifth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR2vk6O2WwA
I remember asking Sock to include an arch-vile type enemy to AD.
When you have gibbable bodies, Archvile-type enemies suck because the player feels compelled to spend time gibbing all the bodies which is tedious (e.g. Quake 2 and the Medic monster) Then again some might see that as a cool mechanic, I dunno. Have a literal medic whose sole purpose is to heal monsters via throwing projectiles, making it some sort of priority work for the player, and just have a weak projectile attack just like Q2's medic? Also make it try to look for nearby monsters when he doesn't find some around him?
you could have something akin to the TF 2 medic?
I dunno, Kinn brings up a good point. I doubt I would go around chopping up bodies but I guess others would. I keep imagining that there is a 100% gibbed achievement or something.
Giving the player back a little health per gib could help after some of the huge hordes we have to deal with nowadays ;^) Have a literal medic whose sole purpose is to heal monsters via throwing projectiles
Problem with that is that Quake monsters are rarely running around with partial health - they are either at full health, or dead, because players tend to focus on one monster at a time, and even the biggest ones go from full health to zero in a matter of seconds. I agree, which is why the arch-vile is a better archetype to go with. Resurrection rather than healing.
If you think about it, that's kind of a cool thing for the Shamber to do. Take that new shambler model and add a "arms in the air like he doesn't care" animation for resurrections
Perhaps a better idea would be a monster that temporarily "buffs" other monsters in some way - i.e. gives them a temporary pent, quad or invisible powerup - you need to change the visuals of the buffed monsters, which adds a lot of work, but could be cool.
or an easy visual would be to just surround buffed monsters with a particle cloud, except invisible monsters which become almost transparent.
There was this map once that used an oversized Fiend with said particle field around him which only walked around and could only be hurt if it went into melee mode.
that's not very good at showing different types of buff, and it's kinda ugly.
Sock's particle system should be able to pull off something cool When you have gibbable bodies, Archvile-type enemies suck because the player feels compelled to spend time gibbing all the bodies which is tedious
This is exactly the reason I did not implement a healing monster in AD, several team members said chopping up bodies to prevent resurrection is a chore and not fun gameplay for everyone. I remember finding the resurrection angel in ne_ruins and did not realize what it was doing until I ran out of ammo. This is also a problem with minion systems (spiders/vorelings/lost souls) which I helped prevent by providing minion spawning quantity trigger events! Support enemies suck in FPS games. It's difficult to present what they are doing and for them to put pressure on the player, because the nature of FPS games is that if you can see something, you can shoot it. Support enemies work better when you can see what they are doing, but can't necessarily do anything about it right off.
Support enemies suck in FPS games. It's difficult to present what they are doing and for them to put pressure on the player, because the nature of FPS games is that if you can see something, you can shoot it. Support enemies work better when you can see what they are doing, but can't necessarily do anything about it right off.
I've always been drawn to the idea of having magical barriers where monsters can shoot out of but players can't shoot in (until they find and take down the magic barrier generator) I don't know if this can be done in quake though. Anyone know? Though I don't remember which map it is. I have it in my quake folder somewhere but I'm busy doing something else right now.
@Daya, that was a Kona map and the same particle effect is used on the Death Captain in Quoth. There is even that enforcer model with the shield energy bars going up and down that switches on/off.
I have tried several times to make a shielded enemy for Quake and every time the person testing it just keeps shooting until they ran out of ammo or the damage eventually overrides the shield on/off sequence. Shielded enemies in Quake are completely counter initiative to the game. No one likes or expects shielded enemies in Quake, they are often referred to as extra health buff. I am sure people will still keep on trying to make them and eventually realize Quake is just about shooting things, not waiting for shields to lower. @Kinn, yes you can do this, create a model with a trigger collision hull and intercept it in all the projectile functions. If you are using the AD base check what I did for void triggers, they are in every projectile impact function and other stuff (breakables, gibs etc) That's not what I mean.
I mean, imagine a big hole in a wall covered by a forcefield - it's solid to the player and it blocks his projectiles, but he can see though it. Monsters the other side of the forcefield can see the player and shoot through the forcefield at the player. Damn, that would work I guess.
Impossible to intercept hitscan with SOLID_TRIGGER though, right? Impossible to intercept hitscan with SOLID_TRIGGER though, right?
Yeah trace will ignore triggers, unless you give them some collision. You could let the player walk through the barrier (check pre/post client functions) but monsters have no such (luxury) function. Its really all or nothing with Quake, a shield stops everything or nothing. You could approach from a different direction, let the monster create a shield infront and then throw projectile over the top. So players have to use grenades for arc/bounce instead. Something I was thinking of doing with blue flail knight, create a yellow shield infront and then spin the flail round in the air throwing grenades! Zer Enforcers were always a favourite addition because of the shield mechanic. Same with the Quouth uber-death-knight. Both shields were suitably obvious of course.
the demons that have the quake staves in ne_ruins can shield other monsters.
the shield also removes some portion of health (down to 1 hp) from the monster so that eventually after repeated shielding, the monster is left with 1 hp and dies right after the shield breaks. i used i think that was a better monster than the resurrecting angel. Not sure I like some of the piss-weak sound effects from that wad. Doom had very good sound design already. Also, not a huge fan of the high-res textures, I think the original low res aesthetic was fine as it is.
It still looks ok though, I like the song in the wad. 5th, yes, no need to change the sounds, some of them are like nail on a blackboard. But the music is fantastic. The level is beautiful. I understand what you say about HD textures: it's ugly when they try to bring ultra-realism to a cartoony game. In this case I think it was done right, it added quality blending with original textures very well. It didn't deranged from the original feel.
Is the music in the video the same as in the
although the latter's shield was sometimes glitchy/unpredictable, I actually felt it added something new to enemy routines and freshened up gameplay.
Serious. The Death Lords shields are fine because they work without any problems.
The Mega Enforcer is broken to the point where there is no correlation between the shield visual and the actul shielding effect. I'm realizing that every time I switch to a conceptually different programming problem, I become a dumbass.
For example, I've never had any trouble coding the Quake's GUI, and I even ended up rewriting most of it. But recently I've implemented a mouse-driven interface to navigate through the palette and experiment with some color transformation algorithms, only to realize that I was overcomplicating the task because the classic key/button-driven interface is equally efficient. I should have quickly realized that before, but I didn't. And that wasn't the only thing. In the last couple weeks, my first iterations of the color generation algorithms were utterly moronic; even though their conceptual designs were fine, their implementation took more effort than it should have and lacked trivially basic programming skills, so it was awful to work with. It's like I forget how to code when the task is conceptually different. It kinda scares me because I have no trouble with far more advanced tasks like texture mapping. And I realize that all this tends to make me work towards whatever I feel that is the most difficult task at the time. I'm always trying to overcome my own stupidity. But if this is somehow making me more stupid, perhaps there's something very wrong. (and by extension Quake1 in a way)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuOObGjCA7Q just make an ingame mapeditor, mouse is useful then.
I mean, think about it for a moment, compile the bsp at runtime, i don't know what i'm talkin about. Just do it, please... Kidding aside, when i first met sleepwalkR a while ago he brought that up, and the thought blew my mind. I'm sure with enough computing power these days this is totally doable in 10 years. I can't wait :) How bad does it really look if you use all 10 frames of a standard animated texture for scrolling? It's not going to be super smooth like doom, but it should look ok for a slow scrolling effect.
Quake animates BSP textures at 5 frames per second, the vanilla engine cycles the frames using bitmasks (so you can only have an animation with 2, 4 or 8 frames), and so on. BSP texture animation is a poor feature, but at the time its restrictions were needed.
Quake Mod For Doom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGurDc_c98M Would have been more authentic if the quake models had been converted to sprites instead of just transferred over. :)
Quake Mod For Doom
Quake 0.5 Pretty awesome, but using the models as models is a bit of a cop-out. However it makes for a good "what if Quake was released 6 months after Doom 2" concept. I've heard the problem was liquid brushes because of the distortion caused by the nature of the brush. But one way to counter this is just to not use the distortion effect if possible.
Another problem I've heard is textures not looping properly, somehow. I may be ignorant on this but even with GL texture filtering that wouldn't be a problem, because in general textures loop properly everytime. I'm just saying because it's wierd Doom can do that but not Quake. If I want texture filtering, I'll remove my glasses. GL engines take the "player checks his glasses" killquote too seriously.
It's weird that there would be any difficulty to do that in today's hardware rendering.
Render the liquid surface distorted as usual, while simultaneously rendering the lightmap surface without distortion, and applying it to the liquid surface's pixels (not texels) before blending. If fragment shaders are as powerful as software rendering, they can do that. The only difficulty with scrolling textures is the lack of a standard. I want to devise a very flexible implementation that interacts with the game's physics, so it will take a while and someone else may implement it their own way before. Previously, the main difficulty for both cases in the software renderer was the fact that the textures were combined with the lightmaps in the surface cache, so any texture transformations would also affect the lighting. Splitting the textures from the lightmaps makes the rendering slower, but it greatly improves the rendering quality and makes all sorts of texture mapping effects possible. With today's CPUs, that's a worthy tradeoff. You might want to distort the lightmap, like on the water surface.
I can imagine that looking pretty cool at the pixel lod. Maybe I should remake Cepheus for this new UT rather than Quake Live.
Anywayzz... It's Carnival, boys and girls. Going home now. Will get back to work only on Thursday. This can mean only one thing. TIME TO MAP! I respect that they want to experiment with better experiences. I mean, if it sucks, they'll revert it. The users will let them know
Just like the facebook "timeline". That really became more useful when they made that change. Not.
Well, if everyone hated it, it wouldn't be that way. Facebook wants to retain users, not lose them. So it may not align with your personal preference but
It's also to be able to show me targeted ads. Facebook is so big now that they don't have to fear that users will run away in droves. Where would they go?
When shit gets real in Portal: Crushed between two portals experiment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TZd95BCKMY Yup, which is why I'm afraid that they're going to stick with it unless it hurts their revenue.
I am using the Quakespasm engine and Quoth will not load any maps after E1M2Quoth. It says it can't spawn. Preach says in the Quoth help to post on FUNC_MSGBOARD. I have the latest version downloaded from preach's website.
There are no more maps than e1m1rmx and e1m2rmx for quoth.
I assume you expect e1m3rmx, we all do.. What mfx said above, however there are many maps for quoth that have released seperately from the main Quoth download. If you search quddicted and filter for "quoth" you will find many other Quoth maps to play!
For keeping things tidy when required. I'm sure nitin does it too sometimes.
Because Shambler is also a smug cunt when he does it :).
I do think Func should have another 5 stickies for common stuff, including Engines and Coding, to make it easier on unfamiliar people. https://twitter.com/DelkoDuck/status/696042177600864256
"Maybe twitter should add a damn edit function instead of some lizard people ass algorithms" Engines
Coding Other PC Games +1 more? Perhaps the modelling thread 4th? It's not quite as high traffic as the others, but it's going through a bit of a surge currently... "Other PC games" don't need to be stickied. They should bow down before Quake!
Seriously, that's unnecessary. Other PC Games should not be a sticky. Jobs Wanted should probably also be unstickied; that's a pretty low traffic thread.
Coding Models Engines those three sound good. To be honest I think it should just be "other games" instead. A lot of the people own one or more consoles surely?
While it's of course fine if people want to discuss other games on here, it's not directly related to the main purpose. Coding, Models, Engines sounds fine.
Yeah looks like they have branched from CryEngine to make something to encourage games to use AWS and Twitch. Interesting.
Ok googling for an answer to this is strangely impossible for some reason, so I'll try here (long shot):
Does anyone store images on Google Drive and if so (short of downloading the sodding thing again) how the fuck do you preview the image in its native size once it's on Google Drive? I swear to god this was possible once upon a time. Don't need a link to it just want to preview my images, not a crap compressed small version of the image. I swear there was a zoom slider which let you do this but it's gone now:(
When playing Darkplaces I always felt like the player physics and movement where different than of Q1.
Then one day I red that DP have Q3 physics and movements instead of Q1. Is it true? And if it is, why is that, and is there a way to get Q1 movements and physics back in there? (last question regarding possible Q1-like making) Setting sv_protocol QUAKE in DarkPlaces should be essentially Quake physics. It defaults to DPP7 which is a protocol with prediction in it so the physics are slightly different.
I've accidently found that some pickup fall out of the level in DP, while they don't do that in regular engines (Mark V, QS). wtf?
Can Q1 movements/physics be emulated via variables manipulation, just like Daikatana did with the Q2 engine (where Q2's movements and physics were largely different than Q1)?
Cool, didn't know about that cvar. :-) I think you just found a bug Daya; it works if you set it when disconnected., i.e.:
disconnect sv_protocolname quake map e1m1 Though I ask, if it's a matter of prediction, does that mean the QUAKE protocol should be ditched in favor to DP7 if it's obsolete, or it just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things if it's about player movement and physics?
Quake's lack of an efficient protocol is a real problem for coop or deathmatch. But the word "protocol" makes it sounds simple.
It's 10 different things from separating the client and server, to timing, to reworking input and many other things. It is a highly complex problem. There's a lot of settings for Darkplaces that make it work more like faithful Quake source port engines. You can find a bunch of them in Quoth's configuration files. If I remember right, they include stuff like zombie standing up behavior and grenades bouncing off slanted surfaces.
The point is that since the guys who make Quoth have gone to the trouble of setting as many of them as they could for Quoth with DP, you can at least have a look at what's in there. The lizard people ass algorithm is opt-in. Praise Twitter for getting it right.
https://blog.twitter.com/2016/never-miss-important-tweets-from-people-you-follow "Here's how it works. You flip on the feature in your setting" DP7 as a overall protocol seems to be best if I want to make a game that supports both single player and multiplayer/co-op, right?
Still, my focus on all of this is to have the player moving around and having physics just like in Q1 (minus bunnyhop, I thought of a speed-up mechanic everybody can use without breaking the game's balance), is this just a matter of overall gravity, player weigth, jump height and speed? Spike, you were the one that talked me out of carving up a quick-like FitzQuakeWorld out of ZQuake telling me how the Quakeworld protocol doesn't have baseline compression and just limits entities sent.
@daya -- you have many questions. If you want to fulfill that curiosity, go to http://forums.insideqc.com/ and find threads where Spike is replying. Spike has posted voluminousness quantities of info on such topics. Which is unfair, no readme can ever be complete.
In Quake, there are just way too many people who have added some bricks to the mountaintop. The list goes haywire very quickly. We're gonna need him. Gravity Waves have just been confirmed.
For non-space geeks this is a huge deal! Could open all sorts of doors, and some actual legit theories even predict that parallel universes could be detected as their gravity waves would be the only things that could propagate into our universe... https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/feb/11/gravitational-waves-discovery-hailed-as-breakthrough-of-the-century It seems there has been a new handful of failed Kickstarters recently.
I'm under the impression that one of their biggest weaknesses was trying to go full-time living off of the Kickstarter's funds alone. I'm glad I'm not in that situation. Kickstarter should be used for one-off expenses, not for making a living. In my opinion, developers using Kickstarter should additionally have a steady source of income. Kickstarter does not give financial stability. Someone Is Complaining About The Arcane Dimensions Readme, Which is unfair, no readme can ever be complete. In Quake, there are just way too many people who have added some bricks to the mountaintop
@Baker, stop trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill! I was extremely careful with the AD readme file credits, anybody who was directly involved, who's assets were used or was critical to the release of the MOD is credited. The fact that anybody thinks I am cheating people out of credit is ridiculous. I fully understand how it can feel when credits are missing because it has happened to me countless times. As I said in the AD thread, if someone believes a credit is missing, then post the information in the AD thread, stop fanning the flames of false speculation! vanilla quakeworld has various limitations that prevent it from working well for anything other than basic deathmatch.
if you want an nq engine to be able to connect to more servers, go for it, but don't expect qw players to use it unless you also provide a whole load of things that can only really be called cheats. :P if you want a shortcut, you could integrate my qtvlib project into said nq engine, which would provide easy qw->nq protocol translation (as well as mvd playback). however, doing so you'd still miss out on lots of qw-specific things, like player skins. otherwise a nack-based protocol like fte's replacementdeltas extension (over either nq or qw base protocol), or dpp7, would give a better result for large datasets. note that nack-based networking is fairly simple from the client's perspective, so long as you don't have to rewrite everything else too. I'd write a patch for it, but I'm too lazy even for that (no doubt I'd pick the wrong base, again). https://www.facebook.com/StreamlineStudios/photos/a.211317978914554.52417.118294448216908/1038070762905934/?type=3&theater
does this link work for folks? :) This is what I've been working on for more than a year and I can finally talk about it! :) Thats just the promo image Fifth. Its our company mascot cosplaying as various fighters from the game.
Your mascot is a squirrel?
Sigh, i thought.. well, you know what we ALL thought. That's the new IP right there. /sigh http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-02-17-warren-spector-joins-otherside-entertainment
"Veteran designer leaving academia and returning to development to work on Underworld Ascendant and System Shock 3" "Spector has been involved with OtherSide as a creative advisor since its beginning, but his ties to the people there go back further still. Spector worked with OtherSide founder Paul Neurath on the Ultima Underworld games, Thief: The Dark Project, and the original System Shock." Now they just need Doug Church, Greg LoPiccolo, Mike Ryan, Sara Verrilli, Dorian Hart, Steve Pearsall and Randy Smith and Looking Glass is truly reborn.
I know nothing of Looking Glass and the only thing I know of Warren Spector is Deus Ex 1, that alone is enough to make me assume this is good news.
I have been playing a couple of the latest releases but have had to use one of the boosted-limit engines and not my engine of choice, FQ0.85.
Tonight I thought it might be fun to run up one of my old maps and chose a Speed Map from 2005. A soon as FQ started, and before the opening demo was running, a woman's voice started narrating a story. She got as far as, "The next day, as we shared a hot dog and pretzel in front of city hall...", before the ogre's grenades drowned her out, although I could still hear her talking in the background. I came out of FQ went into Task Manager and looked for any other running programs but there were none. I ran FQ again and it did it again, and again, and again. To my knowledge, I do not have any talking books on my machine, nor radio, no TV. WTF? Ha, ha, ha
So I am describing what's happening to 'er indoors, when she says, "Oh, I recognise that phrase; that was in the James Patterson book I was listening to today." And where were you listening to it I enquired? Apparently, her laptop batteries were down so she used my all-in-one... and left the 'kin' disc in the player. And the opening Quake demo seems to use track 2 from the Quake disc, and what does track two start with on the Patterson CD... "The next day, as we shared a hot dog and pretzel in front of city hall..." I suppose I should laugh. But honestly, I thought magic was happening. Anyway, Johnny Law, how on earth did you get to that answer? I even Googled it earlier when trying to work it out and got a nil return. But then Deaf In Paradise came on (I said DEAF IN PARADISE) and I had to take a break. Ho hum. Of the original disk - track 1 is the game data, all the others are the music.
Thanks, this cheered me up a lot :) That makes me think Daz should start doing audio books...
"The next day, as we shared a hot dog and...'ello guys." I'm having a hard time thinking of good uses for those. Conveyor belts aren't enough.
Skies and water don't need regular scrolling textures in my engine. And scrolling whole background environments as in the train level of Soldier of Fortune is too restricting. :\ I just can't think of regular environment details that would be improved by scrolling textures. Have always been an edge case thing, used for weird tricks here and there, like machinery, visual effects and the classic 'train rushing through a tunnel but not really moving' effect.
Someone will always be able to think of something to use it for. Molten mapping already takes care of that
I'm tempted to say "a-whu-what now?" but I actually do remember some postings of flowing lava - had no idea that was your engine - cool beans. I just can't think of regular environment details that would be improved by scrolling textures
On the other hand I am attracted to them, as they can improve the environnement. I would love it to see a map with more then four sky types, or animating monster skin textures. Set me on the train if I can unlock the button. Slightly unrelated, but yesterday I've raised the BSP texture frames limit to 100, and added support for the +number naming convention anywhere. This allows for textures like {fencepants+18b , for example.
Great you're upgrading the bsp compile code!
I've made a map with four turning skyboxes, in the way that it are large static entities. It perfomes some kind of changing period within one map. Only min point is that I can't overcome the 240 frames on 0.1 sec so it still some kind of fast movement. If the frame limit of 256 could be passed it would look like the original Q2 standard. MadFox: It's in-engine only, actually. But indeed, the BSP compiler would need some changes to include all extra frames without manually applying each frame in the map editor.
Adib: It's been a very long time since I've played Q3A. I gotta remember to take a look at it again. I'm slowly thinking about colored lights, and should implement them after figuring out an optimal way. I already have a good idea that may work well, and will try it when possible. I think a func_wall with the
A proper solution would be a more flexible skybox system. Mine is full of bugs yet. That's what I also thought, but the func_wall acts rather bumpy compared to the static_entity.
mankrip, that reminds me. an absolute must for all engines is full floating point for angles and not shorts!
That doesn't look like shorts. This reminds me that the FitzQuake
yeah sorry, they are unsigned bytes. either way, it ends up that there are actually less values (255) than angles which... ok, I know they were trying to pack in a lot of date into as small as they could, but it looks baaaad. :(
The func_wall rotation goes with a info_not null avelocity "0 1 0", while the static_entity turns 240 frames self.nextthink = time + 0.1;.
I think the func_wall only counts degrees while the static entity rolls more smoothly. is a trend, so people are calling "brutalism" any exposed concrete or anything that even just "feel brutal".
A 'living' texture set (e.g. breathing walls, bleeding brick mortar, spiders escaping orifices), with a lovecraftian feel would be great.
Try the actual Matrix before the Animatrix.
definition has nothing in common with being 'brutal'
Yeah, it was a huge 60s trend and a huge facepalm at the same time
I noticed the trend in games, not real world architecture. Some recent indie games like Kairo are recurring to this aesthetic, there was that article on Gamasutra, some architecture related twitter accounts showing it, some level screenshots, etc.
I just made a random comment about people tagging "brutalism" on every exposed concrete around lately because "brutalism" is being hyped. I once used to play mods featuring
a) fast axe, better axe sound b) ogres shooting nails c) nicer animated explosions any idea which mods those were? thanks yes, that is it. I get Packet Overflow and no sound while too many monsters after starting game using "joequake-gl -game bastion -zone 1024 +sv_aim 1 +r_maxsurfs 4000 +r_maxedges 16000 +skill 1 +mlook 1 +r_farclip 16384 -width 1600 -height 1200 -bpp 32 +map nar_vault" though
Playing a map other than bastion when using the bastion mod is completely untested and unlikely to work properly.
I remember once having grenade-ogre model replaced with newer one with spiked shoulder armor. Any idea which mod was that?
Arcane Dimensions has different types of Ogres with a metal skin that has the shoulder pad your speaking about.
But we all LOVE IT!!!
Some of us make maps just for fun even knowing that only a few dozen people may ever play it. It's relaxing. And we have fun thats whats important. possible to get those *.bsps from Coagula Contest's pak0.pak to be able to play them as standalones using for example "-game bastion/marcher" (I am used to Kinn's special features: better axe, explosions, hit-sound etc) please?
worked, installation was full of malware though, spent half a day reinstalling windows, beware
If you go to https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/ad_v1_42final.html and look at the list of files in Arcane Dimensions here are some of the names:
1) gfx/env/moonhigh_bk.tga (11 characters long) 2) gfx/env/interstellar_dn.tga (15 characters) 3) effectinfo.txt (10 characters) 4) dpsetting.cfg (9 characters) 5) maps/base_brk/rock_sw01.bsp ) (9 characters) What would be recommendation on how to create a pak file holding those files with PakExplorer? Or add those files to a pak with PakExplorer? It would be pretty hard to do considering Pak Explorer cannot add or edit files with more than 8 characters in the file name. you would rename them to 8.3
possible to get those *.bsps from Coagula Contest's pak0.pak to be able to play them as standalones using for example "-game bastion/marcher" (I am used to Kinn's special features: better axe, explosions, hit-sound etc) please?
Taking a Naw, the 8.3 name limit is a DOS thing.
Pakscape doesn't have that limit. If you want DOS Quake compatibility, using a 8.3 file is needed. But I'm pretty sure Windows XP broke DOS Quake, way back in 2001 which is why you would either need a Windows 98/ME/2000 machine to run DOS Quake or use DOS Box. In the engine, the pak format supports file names up to 56 characters (55 + trailing null?)
Doesn't care about length of any of the file name components, etc. Think about all the releases with skyboxes and how some of releases like Zendar have the skybox in a pak file! https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/zendar1d.html <--- Quaddicted shows just pak0.pak and pak1.pak --- pak0.pak containers a skybox named nightzen_up.tga , nightzen_bk.rga, etc. etc. Pakscape doesn't modify pak files until you modify one and click save, it pops up "Save changes to pak0.pak"?
So I'm not sure your angle there. So I still have my doubts about sunlight improvments on ericw's compiler, as in severly messed up lightings and shadow.
I have the first legit map from my mod I'm doing right now and it uses multiple sky brushes (It has an open court area as well as skylights). Will sunlight_2 be able to make a legit open-area lighting without shadow bullshitting, or should I just use texture lighting on the sky textures? Define "shadow bullshitting". You should use sunlight for light and sunlight2 to balance the shadows. These are worldspawn keys that gave me a nice moonlight on a level:
_sunlight 350 _sun_mangle 180 -90 0 _sunlight_color 64 184 255 (these should be floats from 0 to 1 instead) _sunlight2 5000 _sunlight2_color 64 184 255 _sunlight_penumbra 4 (can't remember what this key is for) _fog 0.05 http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/10/1457341598-dp20140614194745-00.jpg
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/10/1457341598-dp20140616170714-00.jpg http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/10/1457341596-dp20140616170724-00.jpg http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/10/1457341594-dp20140616170839-00.jpg This was my first time I tried to map, 3 years ago, with only _sunlight. Does he have hair or not?
Some random artist here at the company showed me a picture of a Shambler with just white skin? https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8608/15739649873_57c1b10ddb_c.jpg I always thought it was white hair, like the Yeti? a proper Shambler http://resource.mmgn.com/Gallery/full/9KJW5E52.jpg
http://store.goldenjoystick.com/free-dark-souls
Works in UK/EU but some USA people are saying it works for them too. the default pc port is SHOCKINGLY AWFUL on pc. You will need this mod (dsfix) to make it playable http://www.nexusmods.com/darksouls/mods/19/?
best played with a pad too Shambler played it once and screamed at the asylum demon (first encounter) for 40 mins then uninstalled it.
Does it have FPS mode - the gameplay videos that I have seen are 3rd person?
Annnnnd...we've reached peak func, ladies and gentlemen When the game is already harder than Shambler's cock at a petting zoo, gimping your view/spatial awareness like that with an FPS mod is not going to end well...
coagula, player starts with SSG and two slime spawns infront, around the corner there is large square with 4 towers in corners, one can jump down to a sublevel for trap/SNG, silver key in the middle and horde zombie/fiend combat with quad damage available, any idea? thanks
From coag2
The big news in the AI research community is the results that Alpha-Go program is getting against top Go players. It's currently leading 2-0 in a five-game match versus one of the world's top players. The previous results on Go have not been nearly this good.
Go, in case you are not familiar with it, is a Chinese board game that is also quite popular in Korea and Japan. It has long been held as the most difficult challenge remaining among traditional board games for creating AI players, because it has a huge state space that resists any sort of search-based approach that has worked quite well in Chess in the past. The new approach relies on neural networks, and its results are amazing so far. https://deepmind.com/alpha-go.html They have also researched the capabilities of the neural net algorithms by having them learn to play classic video games from scratch. http://robohub.org/artificial-general-intelligence-that-plays-atari-video-games-how-did-deepmind-do-it/ Now we can only wait and hope they start to research actually important stuff like Quake speedrunning with this new technology. Because honestly we should be able to enjoy a few years of godlike AI performance in Quake speedruns before they inevitably create Skynet and we few, lucky enough to survive the nuclear strikes, get killed by rocket-jumping Terminators. that plays primarily super mario world and minecraft who made a natural selection algorithm to play super mario world and super mario kart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv6UVOQ0F44 the thing is that the code is a script for an emulator bizhawk, so you'd have to run the n64 version of quake, unless you severely modified it. Also Tom Murphy made an AI that plays NES games. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tom7/mario/ which may or may not be more adaptable to quake, I've not looked into it. TBH it would probably be easier to write an AI from scratch than to use one of these tools. DM, base, several huge rooms crossed by catwalks in different height. thunderbolt available in the highest tier, any idea? thanks
also can not run SP via "quakespasm -game bastion -width 1600 -height 1200 +map dwroae_m3b" any longer after playing DM via "cd
quakespasm -game frikbot -condebug -listen 16 -zone 1024 -width 1600 -height 1200 +sv_aim 1 +r_maxsurfs 4000 +r_maxedges 16000 +noexit 1 +skill 1 +r_farclip 16384 +map shady", get "Load Model progs/q2weap...not found" error Again, the bastion mod was only designed to work with the bastion map.
There is no guarantee anything is going to work correctly outside of those parameters. ok, worked fine before, works now after reinstall. your Bastion assets (axe, sounds, nail-shooting ogres, explosions...) are simply so good I can not play other maps without them any longer, any way to copy them to other mods pls?
Wouldn't work. The spiders and imps may be essentially the same monsters but the minotaurs are not at all.
...if I had time.
Even if I did have time though, the probability that I would use that time to retrofit an old map is exactly equal to: ( 1.0 / Graham's Number ), not because I don't like the idea, but because I have a very large list of other things I'd rather be doing in Quake :/ not sure if the DM map I am searching for has got base or quake2 textures, have not find it on Quaddicted under base/dm tags nevertheless, pls help
http://www.ibtimes.com/googles-deepmind-artificial-intelligence-could-next-take-starcraft-2334630
Stark rafts for everyone. so it is impossible to make the Bastion/Marcher features stand-alone, for players to be able to copy them to whichever mod (same as for example HD shambler)?
That's not possible I'm afraid. My QC codebase evolves, and I have long since deleted any archival versions from 2005. I have since removed all the aesthetic changes because my tastes have changed (I am a hardcore aesthetic purist now).
Have you tried using Arcane Dimensions? It's much better. http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/15/11213518/alphago-deepmind-go-match-5-result
It is 4-1 to Alphago. Congrats to the DeepMind team and a good show by Lee Sedol. It's impossible to say after a five-game match whether Alphago is genuinely stronger than the top human players or if it still has exploitable weaknesses that could make it lose another match against a top human player. We'll need to see more human vs. AI matches to be able to tell for sure if the AI really has progressed past human level. If I consider just this match result, it says the AI plays better. The one game Lee won could have been the last time a top go bot lost to a human in a fair game of Go, ever. Which is pretty exciting, if it's true! Yeah that's a good result for AI, but what I was really hoping for was that Alphago would periodically taunt Lee Sedol with things like:
"You puny Earth-meats are weak and fragile" "The Age of Flesh will soon be at an end" That sort of thing. For people who like rating algorithms, here is the table for top players in the world. AlphaGo is at #4. Also, they don't know if it's a he or a she.
http://www.goratings.org/ You cannot attach much confidence to this rating, because the program hasn't played a lot of games. I heard rumors the top rated player, Ke Jie, issued a challenge to play AlphaGo and Google & Deepmind are interested in organizing a match. We'll see how that plays out. In the meantime, you can point people to this site and tell them that AlphaGo might now be the best player in the world, or it might only (ha-ha) be the fourth best! :) We can now return to your regular Quake programming on this channel. Is that apparently AlphaGo has invented strategies that were up to now mostly unknown, or at least unknown to be successful, to the top Go players.
They've had computers that could play chess since the 1960s. A computer playing a game with simple rules isn't really a sign of progress.
Meanwhile, any random insect you find can do hundreds of things a computer can't. And 50 years from now, any random insect will still be able to do hundreds of things a computer can't do. So what we do is redefine "artificial intelligence" and lower the bar --- now you can call something "AI" and it doesn't need to be intelligent at all. A good analogy for this is "a really quick idiot".
Machines are very good at doing simple tasks quickly, but fairly poor at complex tasks. But this is improving, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wXHR-lad-Q If doom is similar enough to quake in this regard I would love to see it as 'id launcher' instead. I would do whatever necessary on Quaddicted's end.
So what we do is redefine "artificial intelligence" and lower the bar --- now you can call something "AI" and it doesn't need to be intelligent at all.
It's terrible that they do this. They've even put this definition of the word 'artificial' into the dictionary: "not natural or real : made, produced, or done to seem like something natural" (Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/artificial) You are saying you can't call something AI that is not really intelligent, but behaves like an intelligent agent in some ways. What exactly is the appropriate term to use then? Next they will be making things out of fabrics and plastics calling them artificial flowers. And 50 years from now, any random insect will still be able to do hundreds of things a computer can't do.
Thy complacency will be thy doom, puny fleshlings. Get yourself uploaded into a robot body and then live the dream; kill all humans.
http://b-shinymetalass.weebly.com/uploads/5/0/1/5/50157133/8552535_orig.gif People used to say back in the day that computers can never do things that they routinely do these days. The reasons given were apparently something to do with it requiring "real intelligence" to perform these tasks.
Instead of creating this "real intelligence" (I use quotes because it is not a term I use myself) to make computers perfrom these tasks, the successful AI researchers invented clever algorithms that could do them. And now the critics turned around and said these tasks don't require intelligence after all, because these algorithms work for them just fine. And algorithms can't have "real intelligence," because reasons. That's a classic case of moving goalposts. Not that AI proponents in the past were less silly. They forecasted all kinds of crazy shit that just did not happen. But that's why we actually do research: to find out what can be actually made to work. Given the track record of people talking about AI, I don't really want to get into discussions about this. However, if I may clarify myself, I am calling AlphaGo an AI, because it behaves in a way that would require a lot of applied intelligence if done by a human. It does not otherwise think like a human at all, as far as I know. When I mentioned Skynet and terminators, I was actually joking. I don't believe an immediate AI takeover and Judgement Day are real concerns even after AlphaGo's victory. Hope this clears things up :P Basing bot behaviours on neural networks / genetic algorithms shouldn't be too hard TBH.
Give the bot some fitness factors, damage done / damage taken / deaths / time since last damage dealt. Give the bot some basic pathfinding, projectile, and sound identification routines. Allow the bot to learn against "traditional bots", then against humans. I linked these not so long ago, but they're fun to watch, so I'll link them again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv6UVOQ0F44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOCurBYI_gY Literally minutes of learning and entertainment. Anyone know how Carmack and iD coded and developed the AI in Q1? Any documentation except for going through the code?
AI navigation is calculated when I compile right, in the bsp step? Perhaps the vis step? Quake AI. Lol.
"Move towards player. If I hit something that's not player, then move in a random direction for a while, then move towards player again". There is no pathfinding in Quake. To be honest, the game doesn't really suffer from the lack of it. If you want to learn the bread-and-butter of actual game AI, then just grab this book: LINK. It has been my bible since forever, and in my opinion it is (as the vernacular goes) the puppy's privates.
Looks cool, but as a underage with absolutely no money, I cannot buy it. When I get a job, I'm going into a mathematics and programming job. Then I can buy the book :D
Also there's JPvW's thesis about developing the Q3 bots: http://www.kbs.twi.tudelft.nl/docs/MSc/2001/Waveren_Jean-Paul_van/thesis.pdf
He's the same guy who did the Omicron bots for Q1: http://mrelusive.com/oldprojects/obots/ObotDoc/index.htm (and the Gladiator bot for Q2) So that's pretty interesting stuff IMO. I don't think there's an equivalent level of documentation out there for the other most popular or competent Q1/Q2/Q3 bots. In the early days I used bgbot. It was laughably poor.
I ended up using reaperbot for the longest time. I recall people saying good things about frogbot, I did like the feature to "watch" the game from the bots perspective but it never felt as "playerlike" as reaperbots. Were there any others that were considered good? was probably the best one IMO but it had to be properly coded to work. I believe Reaperbot was the least hassle to get working on a map
Yeah frog and frik are both pretty darn good.
Omicron actually isn't bad either. If you are playing a map that has waypoints for all the bot types then probably frog or frik are better? The neat thing about Omicron tho is that it can learn on-the-fly, so for a waypointless map you can still get some good fun from Omicron. It's also decent at rocket arena. (Bloodborne boss spoilers)
Finally killed this guy after 6 days of trying! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTu4aGdOU0U Seriously, by the time I got good enough to kill him I could practice fighting him in my sleep because I knew all the attack timings so well :P Fuuuuuuck this game is so good :o Google's car is a good test for modern AI.
But I for one, will never be getting in the car with it.. though i think it's probably better than the average asian backpacker driving around our country town. Scary. For anyone just trying to find stuff (rather than looking for specific recommendations), https://www.gog.com/forum/quake_series/quake_2_single_player_pack could be useful. Haven't tried that myself, just saw it posted recently.
There wasn't a lot that really impressed me in the Q2 mapping scene, perhaps because I didn't like the guns and enemies as much as Q1. But, these stand out in my memory:
Powersphere Quest -- impressive visuals, 5-level hub, seems to be tuned for coop so the combats are ridiculous and I had to cheat to play it, but worth it just for the layout and visuals. SPOGSP1 -- another impressive looking level, lots of great brushwork by one of the guys who figured out how to do curves really well in radiant. I agree, Spogsp1 was easily one of the best user made maps for any of the id games.
I know there were other decent Quake 2 maps. I played almost one that was released, but I've played very little Q2 in the last 10 years, so I can't remember the names off the top of my head. My Quake 2 folder is over 2 GB. I know a lot of that is DM maps, but there's a bunch of SP maps also.
Is Quake 2's Marcher Fortress. Unfortunately, it did not inspire people in the same way as Marcher did.
Premonition of Angron
Monumental Misery Back at the Front Castles of Stroggos 3 Dark Undergrowth Much more I'm forgetting. Would anyone be interested in a Quake 2 SP map jam? I'm kicking around the idea of running one later in the year... The only custom map that really sticks in my mind for Q2 was Spogsp1. The curved geo was absolutely insane. That guy was a magician :)
could be interesting. We(ionous and eric and 5th aand me) had that idea coming up while watching twitchstreams lately.
We need a good wad to agree on though, and the few base enemies in q1 almost demand a mod to choose too. cough cough, damn coughes. Curves, i have them like beyonce btw. Spogsp1
The Widening Gyre Premonition of Angron Castles of Stroggos 2 Castles of Stroggos 3 Dark Undergrowth and the most recent one Slight Mechanical Destruction. Fuck you all.
Also, "Works in the UK/EU" lol it actually works, that would be a first. Also post #whatever Finally killed this guy after 6 days of trying! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTu4aGdOU0U Seriously, by the time I got good enough to kill him I could practice fighting him in my sleep because I knew all the attack timings so well :P 6 days learning attack timings on one boss?? That sounds utterly fucking miserable. Nice one telling it like it is Daz, makes the bargepole I'm not touching these games with even longer :o I downloaded Yamagi Quake 2 and now have a new, clean, and functioning Quake 2 install.
I tried playing a map I had started years ago. It's better than I remember, but I'd forgotten that the Going by file dates in the original folder I apparently haven't done any Quake 2 since July 2010. a few friends of mine tried hldm the other day, with our own private server in DE. Good maps?
if anybody is interested to join... we're playing something like mon/tue nights. Add me to steam if you will =) It's Hipshot, there's tiger as avatar and I'm from Sweden.
I'm heading out for a beer now, but maybe when you and your friend have time later on or another day =) Serious "pro" deathmatch or the good old silly "muhahaha I am camping with traps around me and bugs in my hand" on crossfire and stalkyard? :>
how do I pls save brightness/screensize/scale (to config?) so that I do not have to adjust every time I start a game again?
There's an "adjust screen" in the console options config video, that gives 5 sec delay to keep or draw the settings.
If you're asking about Quake, then any changes made on the Options screens should be automatically saved on exit. If not and you're running Windows, maybe Quake is in a folder located where it doesn't have write permissions. You can also try putting the settings in an autoexec.bat file in the ID1 folder
That depends on which engine you're using. Vanilla Quake engines only saves the resolution if you press D into the Video Options menu.
Brightness is usually always saved. quakespasm -heapsize 64000 -game quoth -zone 4096 -width 1600 -height 1200
after each start game is bright no matter what autoexec.cfg file, write
viewsize "100.000000" gamma "0.990000" scr_menuscale "1.5" scr_sbarscale "1.5" thanks I decided to play through some old-school Quake maps and thought it would be fun to pick on a mapper who had released several maps so that I could gauge 'improvement' as time moved on.
I used the maps listed at Quaddicted.com and selected Neil Manke's maps for no reason other than it was a name I recognised, and I remembered that he went on to create some HL maps. However, I then Googled him to see what he was up to now (nearly 20 years after his maps I am playing) and ran into some kind of 'conspiracy' scenario with reports of him suddenly disappearing half way through a new gaming project. The thing is, there are reports of him being ill, suggestions that he had died, but a constant stream of 'nobody knows the truth'. Does anyone here know what happened? Did he die and if not, why did he disappear? Did he ever get back into mapping for any games? For starters, lose the 1990s command line
-heapsize 64000 <--- not needed -width 1600 -height 1200 <-- not needed -zone 4096 <--- not needed -game quoth <---- this is entirely wrong and should instead be -quoth if you were to put it in the command line --- except you can do "game warpspasm -quoth" in the console so again, not needed. Ironically, with a standard engine it will save the config to the current gamedir.
So if you switch the gamedir during run, when you start the engine next it will lose all changes. Mark V fixes that by saving the config in the directory that was engine load gamedir. 1) If you start Mark V with no command line, the config will save in id1, even if you changed the gamedir. 2) If you start Mark V with -game <something>, it will save the config in <something> In both cases, this is the desired result. This may be why Jamomir is having what looks like "my settings don't save" in Quakespasm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Widow_Games
I never heard that he disappeared, maybe he's just not doing any maps and game dev any more? But that only adds 'fuel to the fire', which of course may not actually be burning.
The Wiki links don't seem to get you anywhere, and NM's name link doesn't exist. The Black Widow site is up but with no entries since 2008. E-mails just get bounced. It's quite interesting. possible to have this effect around laserbolts/explosions/shoooting grunts in other mod than Quoth pls?
Why would you wanna place gl_flashblend command to the batch file?
Just place it to your autoexec.cfg file i know to each his own, but That's probably my fault. I knew what I meant, I just typed it wrong.
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=1&start=27381&end=27381 hey guys,
Out of interest, do any of you know the rationale for id using quad brushes rather than triangles in its implementation of maps / bsps? I would love to be able to make maps with triangular geometry, terrain / rocks would be so much simpler. they made mostly interior, architecture-heavy maps. box-shaped brushes are suited to that type of geometry.
Out of interest, do any of you know the rationale for id using quad brushes rather than triangles in its implementation of maps / bsps?
It's a fundamentally different way of thinking of geometry. A brush is a convex solid defined as the intersection of planes. It's a complex topic, but the gist is that back in 1996, for the particular game they were making, and the way they processed the world to be efficiently rendered in their bsp-based engine, it was better to make the world out of brush primitives than triangle soup. quads produce better edges, smoother transitions and create better floor sections for players
the only time you triangulate is for tricky edge splits I always thought rectangular brushes were used only for editing because boxes would be easy to draw and visualize and then everything was broken down into triangles when the map was compiled for playing.
The "brush soup" is compiled into a bsp tree. Not a triangle soup filtered into a bsp tree - no, the visible surfaces are literally dividing planes in the bsp tree.
The software renderer draws the bsp surfaces directly and does not further break them into triangles. Someone correct me if this is innaccurate Is it the tools that lack then or the way I'm using them?
Because if I vertex manipulate geometry into triangles rather than quads, the compiler inevitably spits shit tonnes of errors at me. And I'm not about to start hand editing maps in text editors. @Rick I'm pretty sure that happens on a hardware level anyway. Are you using WorldCraft/Hammers's "Allow me to produce garbage brushes on vertex manip" feature by any chance?
Radiant or Trenchbroom (if you're a beginner use Trenchbroom ) should be better. Oh btw, GL engines do triangulate the visible geo because that's what you need to feed to the graphics card, but those horrible things shouldn't be spoken of when talking about Quake's original tech.
The only thing that uses quads in vanilla Quake is the
Brush faces aren't limited to quads, they can have dozens of edges as long as the resulting shape is convex. In fact, the only Quake game that uses quads for 3D geometry is the Sega Saturn port of Quake, because the Saturn's GPUs only supported quads and also because that port uses the Slavedriver engine, not the Quake engine. See some videos of that port, and you'll see how distorted its surfaces became due to using quads. #27418: It's more complicated than that. There are nodes, leafs, vertices, edges, planes, faces and surfaces (similar names, different things). In objective terms, the BSP format is suited for drawing static geometry with nearly zero overdraw. That's what it was created for. -treeman hybrid:
http://teamshambler.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/player-was-smashed-by-treeman.html Been meaning to do this for a decade or so. Minor conversion to get the pose right. Not entirely happy with the blood but it's kinda what I intended. is awesome. I wonder if lightning burns the hands of this treeman when he strikes with it.
Yeah bb, been doing it on and off for, errr, 20 years....quite sporadic but I put some effort in when I do do it. Scroll back thru my blogspot for various recent-ish stuff (and a lot of diablo3 bolllox in the way;))
"I have only played all Quake games except for Quake 1 and I really liked them, they were not really horror games unlike Doom 3. Doom 3 had a perfect balance between horror and action."
Download a chrome plugin called Alientube, shows reddit comments for youtube videos. Far less shitposting, better discussion.
The difference between the two is becoming less noticeable. I feel like most redditors would prefer a 'show only my comments' option :P
I've never been to Reddit either, but I thought they sort of tolerated a lot of horrible shit there (paedo, necro, gore stuff etc.)? Have they changed in recent years from all that?
I never browse Reddit, so I know almost nothing about it. Will take a look.
eh, you're not missing anything. reddit is nice if you make an account, delete all the default subs and make your own list of subs. the front page, or r/all, is awful. it is the butthole of the internet. but I thought they sort of tolerated a lot of horrible shit there (paedo, necro, gore stuff etc.)? Have they changed in recent years from all that? there are really ugly and dark subs. I don't believe illegal stuff (paedo, necro) is allowed, however. Wasn't there a big hoo-hah last year where they apparently had an area dedicated to pictures of female corpses ("attractive" female corpses apparently - they were quite particular about that)
there are many different subs, and many that are morbid. that sub lasted as long as it did (it may still exist, i don't know) because pics of dead people aren't exactly illegal.
Check it out: https://www.twitch.tv/ionous/v/58205039
Epoch by Andrew Smith. What a nice neat straightforward old-style Quake map. I really enjoyed it.
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/epoch.html Played due to this post. Was quite fun and found all secrets on skill 1 :)
Interesting little concept with the base infusion at the end there. a ) very curvy (almost quake3-curvy), blueish(?), one wind jump.
b ) vertical, small, base, nicely curvy (Occupied Base DM3RMX style). somebody pls tip b) might be this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhUl0eRZ1ZY
For "a" I'm thinking a Headshot map, probably http://www.quakewiki.net/archives/peek/authors/headshot.html#bless
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tridm3 fsdm3 ukooldm6 qcon1 contamin dapak2 4 5 7 8 9 somebody pls? thnx Player/bot Gibbed/severed Head too big. has it been fixed already in the last 20 years pls?
No. All gibs are oversized on purpose because if they are normal scale they look tiny in an environment where stair steps reach your thighs and whatnot. Holy crap, OBS works incredibly better than Fraps, and has no time limit. Now I can record gameplay videos.
Yeah, I found that it worked best for things like Quake. I tend to use Shadowplay for things but I am beginning to lean towards OBS.
Shadowplay won't work on my Core i5 laptop due to its Intel GPU. I may try it on my Core 2 Duo desktop PC later, since it has a 9500GT GPU.
I'm not sure which one will perform better. The engine runs better in the Core i5, but the video capture should run better in the Core 2. Want to stream on twitch using OBS? Watch all these :) https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/4f75zd/complete_video_guide_for_obs_studio/
Nice, I'll watch.
Though OBS has a 1.6 seconds audio delay when recording, so I have to open the video in Avidemux to shift the audio, which means streaming is probably out of question. Also, my upload speed is 512Kbps. But being able to record and upload gameplay videos is good enough for me. Where are your engines installed? Are they all in one directory or is the layout different on Linux than on other platforms?
Same directory, some engines trip up on case sensitivity though.
my engines are all installed in my quake directory which sits in my home folder (my only game that does) Yeah, same, I put engine executables in ~/quake like I would on other platforms.
If you install the debian/ubuntu package of Quakespasm, I believe it installs in /usr/bin/quakespasm. via QW with some nice corridors (pentagrams in ceilings?) and a room with water reaching player's knees. ideas?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVgokAf416Q
Interesting look at some Quake-era level editing tools & other parts of production on Die Hard Trilogy I've found out that the OBS audio delay doesn't happen when playing in fullscreen. This makes things even easier.
However, I'm getting a number of stutterings during gameplay when recording. I don't know if that's caused by some background task, or if that's caused by OBS, but the stutterings happens in the game itself. After finishing the upload of the first video, I'll try recording a new video with my computer disconnected from the Internet to see if that helps. For some reason having an active Internet connection caused some stutterings some months ago, so that may be the problem. OBS is working really well for me, so I'll stick with it for a while.
I've just confirmed that it's the internet connection that makes the engine stutters, even though I'm playing in single player. Someday I'll try to fix it. Yeah, wizards do that. Just randomly pop through a brush they decide isn't solid enough.
Also, what filtering / graphics options are you using, those textures are really dithery. Or is that just the textures themselves? Hmm, I know I get HIGH ENCODING warnings sometimes but that is because I try to really push the bitrate.
I use CBR and a bitrate of like 12000 to have reasonable quality. I'd like to use VBR but I could never get anything that looked I always used to use Shadowplay for everything because it just worked. But for OpenGL and non D3D games I found OBS to be the champion. Never thought about internet connection though. Shamblernaut: The dithering is done by the renderer. Yes, some of those textures (mainly the bricks) doesn't look smooth enough with dithering because their hue & brightness contrast doesn't fit well into the Quake palette.
Bloughsburgh: I'm using a 5000 CBR. Also, when recording another video with the Internet connection disabled I've found out the stutterings eventually happened again. Without recording, I get a solid 72 fps at 720p. It may be because I've configured OBS to run in high priority. I'll try running OBS in normal priority, but I suppose this can make the video recording to get choppy. If you want some good q2 dm action going in the background while you work, there is a pretty good upload of purri v isBjorn on Aerowalk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWCXVMc_EFE
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Probably too many people pointing out that this Carmack is not that Carmack. And not just the ones groping Vondur's arse.
I am totally prepared to give Ron Jomero the benefit of the doubt. Dkt had a lot of cool stuff in despite it's flaws, and I've often said that if at the time they'd combined Dkt's ideas and content with Carmack (the other one) 's engine quality and refinement from the otherwise dismal Q3A, it would have been the best game ever... Plus he's got to have learnt some humility at some point, right? It was basically just a nerdy reference, double that up with the fact that Romero lives in Ireland (which is where that scene was shot) and it's also a teaser because no-one knew A. Carmack was involved...
I dunno, I think Romero learned some big lessons with Daikatana. http://www.hoxar-inc.com/new-page
password is #AN0M4LY^ Quake: the Offering hit position 25 in Gog's list of popular games. It is currently on sale as part of the Quake I, II and III bundle and by itself.
I'm not sure how popularity is calculated for the rankings, but I assume it's based on the recent sales numbers. I think it's pretty great if new people are still getting into Quake I, perhaps influenced by the recent mod releases :) I took a screencap. There it is, in the bottom right corner. http://imgur.com/Npr8eBy BTW these are being posted in the SA "Early FPS" thread... the guy has lots of super-nostalgia-bomb magazine scans.
If you have SA forums access (or if the Games forum is currently un-paywalled) you can see all his posts at http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3420790&userid=167046 Thanks czg, I've saved 36 pages of Quake-related stuff from that album. Will upload it later.
Here's the 36 Quake-related pages: PC Zone magazine scans
That imgur album also has a Quake 2 article, but I haven't included it. Warpspasm speedrun
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=60833 Isn't that the one that removes unrecognised audio files from your harddrive and replaces wavs with mp3s?
iTunes is pretty crazy too.
But Steam's update policy - what a pile of shit. No matter what i try, i can't get around it f-ing me over with my slow connection. Just let me play the game for fucks sake. http://moronstalkingrubbish.com/steamingPileOfShit.htm Anyway - nearly finished Back to Bed.
Meh... decent puzzler. Had to go online to cheat level 14 but i should have sussed it out. It depends what you mean by that. Some engines support layering game directory on top of each other.
FTEQW can probably merge bytecode hex patterns with deep neural learning convolving networks. TB has this ability and I was wondering if it was useful at all. I guess I'll keep it in then.
I am just debating whether to leave that feature in or not. I suppose it might be useful, but maybe "mods" isn't the right name for it.
iirc, Warpspasm required running as two mods, "-game warp -quoth". so hypothetically if you were making addon maps for warp, it might be useful for TB to load assets from both gamedirs
Sounds useful, if only for testing. Must use the same order as whatever engines support multiple gamedirs though, otherwise it is ripe for headaches. Try DP and FTE at least
Warp just used the HUD from DOE (I think) which was the only reason to include the -quoth switch, since warp itself effectively contained the version of Quoth required (monsters etc).
It was so you could see the runes, which had been omitted to show the lance / plasma gun. If I remember right. Mandel - nice video! Courtesy of the one and only Aubrey Hodges.
http://www.aubreyhodges.com/doom-playstation-arch-vile-sounds/ http://www.gamnesia.com/news/A-Job-Listing-Suggests-id-Software-is-Working-on-Rebooting-Quake
I can't help but be pre-disappointed. It's literally a completely nonspecific job listing to work at id.
They mention Doom and Quake because the 2 most recent titles they have worked on are DOOM and Quake Live. Reading any further into it is pure stupidity. There's nothing there that suggests the next title is a Quake.
Besides, wouldn't it make more sense to just keep backing the horse that's winning right now (i.e. Doom) ? I'm sure id are looking at Quake right now. Not saying they're definitely making a Quake but imagine they do the whole trio of their most well known franchise and get it right, people will definitely hail them as the daddys of the shooter genre again.
It's probably safe to bet a new quake is on the horizon somewhere. who knows, maybe it's already been picked and poked at here n there.
I can see a darker, grittier return to a quake1 style. Maybe heavier story and rpg elements than doom4 and not as arcade oriented (no health drops from enemies). maybe the intention is to have doom fill the multiplayer role and make quake more sp oriented. I would like a new quake. maybe the intention is to have doom fill the multiplayer role and make quake more sp oriented
Then they've done a terrible job of it. Doom 2016's single player is getting rave reviews, whilst the multiplayer is the definition of mediocrity. I think that was the intent though. I feel trying to revive/reboot the q3/qlive/arcade shooter is too risky. A so-so doom mp would have a less damaging impact than a so-so quake mp.
It personally wouldn't surprise me if the next game from id was a quake/heretic/hexen amalgam under the quake IP targeting core gamers, specifically the fps/bloodbourne/dark souls/thisgameishardandscary crowd. After that they might introduce a new ip to grab a specific demo. I doubt they'll bring back rage any time soon, if at all. This is 110% uninformed speculation of course, it's just my guess. The only people I'd trust to do it are a very specific sub-selection of #funcers, including but not limited to CZG, Vondur, Skacky, Daz, Kinn, Negke, Sock.
They have dug themselves into a hole by making Quake 2 the current quake mythos, and I really can't see them rebooting it completely back to the world of Quake 1.
They are much more likely to try to awkwardly merge the Quake 1 and 2 worlds together; a compromise that would leave a worse taste in my mouth than Jimmy Saville's special "frozen yoghurt" lollipops. I'm not so sure about that... We already saw some organic/machine hybrids on Q1... who's to say the Strogg didn't get the idea from the "enemy codenamed Quake"?
They are much more likely to try to awkwardly merge the Quake 1 and 2 worlds together
Hrm, maybe, yeah. I hope not. I see them trying to make wolf, doom and quake as distinct from one another as possible, though. I hope they ditch the strogg. Quake2/4 is essentially doom with less interesting enemies/story. Had a strong individual mythology and theme for sure. Hell it almost had a plot which Q1 didn't. Q4 should have been a good reboot of that, but it was pretty forgettable.
Could there be a better reboot of it?? Possibly but then it would be pretty much directly competing with Doom4. Could there be a blend of Q1 and Q2?? Possibly but then I really want to see Kinn sucking them lollipops.... When you boil it down though, Doom and Quake are pretty interchangeable.
Doom: Tech base, rocky alien planet, hell, demons, mecha-demons. Quake 1: Tech base, medieval, sort-of-hell, demons. Quake 2/4: Tech base, rocky alien planet, cyborgs that may as well be mecha-demons. All of the Quake and Doom games have freely cross-pollinated with each others weapons, powerups, and game mechanics. IMO Doom should just keep on being Doom, and Quake needs to ditch all the tech base stuff and just be about ancient fortresses of monsters and knights, and imaginative lovecraftian nether-realms, that are very different to the Doom Hell stuff. When most gamers say "Quake", they think Quake 3 or at best Quakeworld. ID would likely just use the Quake IP for multiplayer focused titles if they're smart.
Are two sides of one coin, that coin being "id shooter". (The IDS exchange rate is currently regaining stability vs the dollar.)
Doom = explicit themes and plot, Quake = implicit themes and plot. The other day we had a brief but interesting talk on #tf about Lovecraft in Quake and czg made a good point how the final game doesn't have anything that relies upon the Lovecraft influences. Meanwhile Doom's depiction of Hell is very flashy and overt. With Doom 3, they tried to make a Doom game but got too much stuff from the other side of the coin, and got a game that's neither a fast shooter or an atmospheric one. IMO Doom should just keep on being Doom, and Quake needs to ditch all the tech base stuff and just be about ancient fortresses of monsters and knights, and imaginative lovecraftian nether-realms, that are very different to the Doom Hell stuff.
I agree completely. Maybe with a dash of brown techbase :) Can you imagine a bloodbourne/dark souls fps? hnnnggg ID would likely just use the Quake IP for multiplayer focused titles if they're smart. Eh, I'm not so sure about that. I think trying to essentially resurrect Q3 is a fools errand. The demand for that type of shooter is relatively small and the market seems saturated with those games, both f2p and p2p. (xonotic, warsow, reflex, toxikk, the new UT and many more). Also, what if that were to fail? The negative publicity simply isn't worth it IMO. I feel like the doom mp is clear message that they are not interested in going that route. Did I cause that?
Quake 1 needs a focused team of creatives free from corporate mandate to be properly remade. Also, All the Quake games had a story after a fashion, just not a very good one. They did however tell their stories very well; with spinning bits of metal, showers of gibs and atmosphere. That said, an id shooter with a lovecrafty vibe would not go amiss.
Or if we just want to see more shamblers in our lives, a community effort to mod Doom 4 in a quake style would make me jizz 360 degrees around the room like a watersprinkler you obviously haven't read my 50 or so volumes of Quake 3 fan-fiction, mostly absolutely filthy. Fills in a lot of blanks in the strongly-implied Sarge-Daemia romance
a community effort to mod Doom 4 in a quake style would make me jizz 360 degrees around the room like a watersprinkler
Well there first needs to be a community effort to persuade id/bethesda to release the tools that make it possible to enable community efforts in the first place. Without that, I'm afraid we won't be seeing any semen-based catherine-wheel action any time soon. We may not see another quake for quite some time. Here's a handful some rad games that are coming out:
Call Of Cthulhu Cyberpunk 2077 Dishonored 2 Obduction Routine System Shock 3 Out of the hundreds of games that will release in the following years, these are the only ones that I know of that I'm actually anticipating :/ System Shock is life. Heresy. If they redo it (which will be likely given the new DOOM's success), it needs to be some major "theme" like the original, with an imminent invasion on the "base-side" of things, possibly an attempted strike at the beginning, that of course takes out everyone but the player. His (or her?) dying superior officer essentially wheezes "Get 'em" with their last breath, sending the player into the Dimension of the Doomed with what little supplies he can find, having to go back and forth between it and the now-ruined bases connected by slipgates/teleports. Given the popularity of Bloodborne, id should Chtulhu the fuck out of it, bringing good ol' Sandy Petersen back onboard.
I'm going to be streaming for maybe an hour - https://www.twitch.tv/fifthelephant
https://youtu.be/IoHtrJqtlBk?t=6m15s = sound\\ambience\\chant3.wav
I'm going to be streaming for maybe an hour
That's what I say when I hit the gents after the 5th pint... Quake *needs* remaking? No. Agreed.
But the engine, awesome as it is, has way too many limitations for the modern world; all modern ID1 engines do their best to cover them, but you can only go so far to patch old code. Besides, there is another, more important issue. Vanilla Quake has grainy textures, low-poly and very angular models, small and somewhat square scenes... and if you think really hard about it, it couldn't be more *perfect* than that. id created a spectacular (but limited) engine, given the constraints at the time, and then built a game that fitted *perfectly* with that setting. The setting, the atmosphere, the mood, they all fit precisely with the low-detail models and textures. That's what makes Quake such a great game even after 20 years. And, please, I don't intend to start a war about this, it's just my opinion but, any attempts to add hi-res textures, interpolation, improved poly-count, and so on, they look beatiful BUT, and this is the key point, they look out of place with the rest of the game. These mods compromise the artistic integrity of the game by not really connecting to each other and the underlying engine. The desire for updated graphics is there, but it simply won't work if we insist in using the old engine (even withe patched limitations). So, if we actually want a truly hi-res, 21st century Quake, we *need* a full remake. Engine, assets, the whole package. Just like the recent Doom release. Ok, go ahead. Ready for fragging. ;) Essentially? Quake does not *need* a remake, but if we want it to look like the current Doom, then yes, it needs a remake. And a full one at that.
Short answer: no.
Do we want QUAKE (2018) to look like DOOM (2016)? Maybe, but don't confuse art fidelity with art direction. The "Interactive Sketching of Urban Procedural Models" looked interesting.
https://www.unrealengine.com/blog/unreal-engine-4-12-released
The new update has an early preview version of the VR Editor. It requires "either an HTC Vive or an Oculus Rift with Touch controller development hardware." I don't own such things yet, but maybe someone here does. Post your thoughts if you have (or have had) the chance to try it. our belgium version.
Who runs http://quakemaps.tumblr.com/ and why have they not yet been shot in the head for taking screenshots of id1 maps with awful, ignorantly made colored lighting?
I belive it is a person named: "trumad" and he is on the quaddicted fourms.
It's a passionate project to display screenshots of numerous maps in hopes of enticing you to play. Apparently he enjoyed the colored lighting additions. To each his own I suppose. What's worse is that 99% of videos on youtube about quake always show the game using some eye-gougingly offensive hi-res texture pack and/or bile-hurlingly obnoxious particle effects.
The worst are the "history of FPS games"-type videos, where the whole point is to provide a historical look at old games, and then you get to the Quake bit, and yep, again it's some cock-sniffer bunny-hopping through E1M1 via the Tenebrae engine or whatever the fuck, where the enemy skins are all saturated colours and glossiness, as if they've been spunked on by a clown. mapping stream in 5 mins - https://www.twitch.tv/fifthelephant
Is it possible for Quake to support real-time portals? Like the one used in UT's DM-Fractal and which was accomplished months ago on Doom
Thought this could make really neat tricks, coupled with good use of sky brushes to create unusual architectures. If someone made something like that, I'd play it for sure and I can't be alone.
There are plenty of opportunities to do interesting things with the 2 advanced engines available. And somewhat disappointing that there is a distinct lack of any quality single player releases that use those features. /If I wrong, *please* correct me. I can name maybe a prototype or 3, but nothing "complete". http://triptohell.info/moodles/junk/pourtall.pk3
might need sv_nopvs 1 still. use impulse 10 to select the portal gun. there's also a lame grabber weapon that can pick stuff up, but no real physics engine. very much a prototype mod. supposedly it has some func_pressureplate entity thing, but meh, that requires maps. source is inside the pk3. divverent or someone associated with xonotic made some 'warpzone' library which should work in either engine if you want statically placed portals, but it can be abusive due to the qc-based traceline+movetype workarounds. also not a single player release. :P things can get much faster if you skip the physics parts. A qc mod can allow shooting through teleporters, or can allow for personal teleporters (drop a teleport location, teleport to it later), but anything more advanced particularly graphics wise would need an engine mod.
Is this a known bug in Quake? It just happened to me while playing through a map that an ogre became completely frozen in place, like a statue. No idle animations. It blocked the player and when I tried to shoot or axe it, it would give the same feedback as when shooting or axing level geometry (that metallic "clink clank" from the axe, and grey particles). I seem vaguely to remember seeing this happen once before...
Thanks very much for the explanation, Preach. I have to confess it's too technical for me to understand at the moment, unfamiliar as I still am with Quake C (and coding in general) -- but I'm bookmarking it and will come back to it.
I wasn't expecting much for Quake 1's anniversary as it's the redheaded step-child of id's catalogue. And yet I still ended up disappointed.
This isn't 1999 any more and we're not going to get a rich community of mappers for Quake Champions. It's competing directly with Overwatch, Battleborn, Paragon and any other number of Hero Class shooters. Also it's going to drive yet more nails in the coffin of Doom's MP. They're adding deathmatch, so there's that, at least.
Class-based Q3 multiplayer doesn't interest me at all, really bummed they didn't go the SP route. That said, I expect it will be pretty good. the guys who brought you amazing, timeless classics such as Will Rock, Timeshift or RIPD: The Game.
So, it's a Q3A reboot, not a Quake reboot.
The name "Champions" sounds unimaginative. Anyway, I'm uninterested in multiplayer-only games, so whatever. I, too, was disappointed by Quake Champions.
I, too, was disappointed by the cancellation of Prey 2. Never cared that much about Q3, for FPS multiplayer action I always had UT.
Really not sure in which thread to ask this, so I'll do so here.
So today I was playing ijed's Quoth map The Palace of Fear in Quakespasm. The map has you start holding the Quoth hammer -- or at least that was the case when I launched the game with "-game quoth +map tpof" (and also when I died and pressed fire to restart automatically). When I typed "restart" in the console, though, the map would start with the standard shotgun (and with the axe as melee weapon; no hammer). Does anyone know why this is the case? Is it something engine-specific, Quoth-specific or map-specific, or a general quirk of Quake? I think I had the player start on top of the weapon, and this can cause it to drop out. Not sure if its a 100% repro thing or not though :L
Ah, ok. Thanks for explaining.
Not sure if its a 100% repro thing or not though :L Well, for what it's worth, I just tested by restarting the map several times using "restart", restarting it via typing "map tpof" in the console, and starting it upon starting Quakespasm by adding "-game quoth +map tpof". At least on my setup it has so far happened 100% of the time when using "restart", and 0% of the time when using the other two methods. Weird how it would drop out only when using "restart". What does the game do differently to when one launches it with "+map [mapname]"? but that the order of spawning is different when using the ''restart'' command, so when using restart, the player spawns before the hammer, and by the time the hammer is going to be loaded, the player has already fallen to the position of the hammer, so it isn't loaded.
It happened to me too on a map i worked with some years ago which used the same trick to simulate starting items, asked here about it and got that answer, which later checked and got confirmation of it. Ah, thank you, Cocerello, that explains it. I searched the mapping help thread to see if I could find your query and I did, plus Preach's response:
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=4&start=13978&end=13978 And thanks again for responding earlier, ijed. Http://en.inkei.net/
Posted by Spirit [92.196.32.95] on 2016/06/17 18:00:33 http://en.inkei.net/ Worth it's own topic. Everyone post theirs, the winner gets all the kudos and acclaim etc. Glad you finally found a penis you can ferl good about Spirit.
He must be old school. He's using ProQuake. But it isn't modern ProQuake either, looks like GL ProQuake 3.50.
It logs me out as soon as I click on the "reply" or "quote" buttons. It's impossible to post in there.
:\ Hm. I attempted to create an user there about 1 month ago, and still haven't received any response, positive or negative, from the moderators/admins/whoever is in charge. Was starting to think nobody loved me there :( .
There was a hack on the side that changed from inside3d to InsideQc.
Maybe this kinky link can be of convience? I know it was a few days ago, since it keeps coming up as a bug, I thought I'd write a proper blog post about the items falling out of the map when you use the restart command.
https://tomeofpreach.wordpress.com/2016/06/19/missing-items-and-the-restart-command/ Then I fixed the bug, just for a bit of fun. Great post, Preach! I wasn't able to follow the code parts, but the rest explained things very clearly.
Thank you! Is there any way to import multiple images at once? It seems that the only somewhat sane way to do anything is to take an existing gfx.wad and replace things one by one.
You might be able to use TexMex to do most of the work to make a gfx.wad
And then use Fimg for the finishing touches and stuff that can't be done with TexMex (conchars comes to mind, probably other little things). Not sure I agree with all of it, but interesting little rant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubu76gEvM8 That's actually a one year old video, was probably posted here already since then, still interesting these days anyways.
The guy obviously has a point, but the sheer torrent of smug that is excreted from his zero-punctuation run-on-sentence mumbling speech pattern, just makes me want to give him a slap.
Fimg reks colors upon saving the wad.
Before: http://i.imgur.com/8k2jiqO.png After: http://i.imgur.com/m0CEdaQ.png By "that thing" I meant QPakman.
And TexMex is for texture wads. While it has the ability to work with picture formats other than wall textures, the implementation is incomplete at best. Look for a program called wally.
I don't think it can handle true colour images, only the palleted ones, but it has some handy features. Someone should probably make a news thread about this - https://twitter.com/machinegames/status/746363189768650752
Happy 20th to Quake @idsoftware! As a gift to the fans, we created a new episode of the game https://cdn.bethsoft.com/quake/dopa.rar My condolences to all our British comrades.
Thanks. I wouldn't normally admit this on the internet but I'm literally in tears over this. Britain is so utterly, utterly fucked, and finished. all because a rabble of miserable fucking swivel-eyed old loons drank the fucking kool-aid, and by kool-aid I mean the fetid diarrhea that was pissed out of Nigel Farage's arsehole. but sulking about the result is not going to help at all.
Do I think Britain is now completely fucked? Yes, I have lost a lot of sleep about it (I've had 4 hours in 48). Britain has had the worst class divide since Thatcher and people came out in droves to kick the government square in the balls. Oh and we'll feel the pain of that swift kick for a long time. The working class are definitely going to suffer the most. We're all going to have to put the kettle on and have a cup of tea, that might make things seem a little better. It's like witnessing the fucking zombie apocalypse happening - just watching now our steel industry going up in smoke as Tata Steel's bidders are pulling out apparently.
I wonder what the "Poles takin are jobs" crowd will be saying when there are no jobs anymore? Some decisions the pollies should know not to trust the voters with.
Now Germany and Britain can have another war ;>. But seriously, Good luck to yous.. things will work out. Zwiffle - it's true, and that wouldn't even make it into a list of the top 100 bad things that have happened in the last 72 hours. In fact not only is it emerging that no-one actually thought this would happen, it is also emerging that no-one even made a plan for what to do if this did happen:
https://twitter.com/sgardner/status/747059883128692737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Got matched with a self proclaimed bipolar girl(I think) on Tinder.
How the fuck do I interpret the sentence: "I suck octopi on the first date"? On her primary picture she has an octopus on her face, if that helps. She could mean she enjoys sea food and eats octopus in a weirdly specific way.
Yeah, I know, I've been accused of being optimistic before. I tried recording a narrated gameplay video. I hate my voice. And I don't express myself in an entertaining way.
Afterwards, I've watched a couple videos from Daz. This made me realize how huge is the difference. The mindset plays a really important role in this kind of activity. I'll have to practice a lot. Last week I decided to redo schlossherr's second map because I was unsatisfied with the layout. And while I was able to redo the first third of the map with a new layout within this time frame, I still have to make the other two thirds and polish it AND playtest it.
I'm afraid I won't be able to make it on time for the QExpo for the 16th because I'll also be gone for vacations from the 9th to the 23rd. This sucks so much because this is the second time I'll miss a deadline and that will squash my reputation as the one missing deadlines all the time(doesn't help that last year's contribution was a total mess design-wise because I had to rush it meaning no playtesting and no polishing). It doesn't help when I spend the majority of my time procrastinating... Released at any time is always a good thing.
I rather play a polished map at a later date than a wonky one to hit a non-critical deadline. out of 8-planned maps. I set this limitation to myself like, back in March/April and look where I am now.
I also did a preview booth for god's sake, I can't let that slip I've also missed a deadline, as I wanted to release an updated Quake engine for the Dreamcast during Quake's birthday but some things got in the way.
Now I scrapped that plan completely, as the DC community showed zero interest. is to release the demo with just the one finished map. But I feel like that'd be too little.
One map is better than zero maps. And, unless you can show me the Kryptonian ship where you came from to this planet, nobody can really scold you, or do anything to you for that :) .
Sorry no one showed interest. I played makaqu on my old dreamcast before and thought it was brilliant.
Who could blame you for not making a new one. I should really try to pick up another DC some day now that I'm remembering it. But Happy 20th B-day Quake! One more, and we can go drinking: http://i.imgur.com/aEBhyUk.jpg
Dumb indie dev here.
Anyone know roughly how much a proprietary id Tech 2 license costs? My google skills seem to be pretty weak here. Also, assuming I got an id tech 2 license - then let's say I wanted to use a modded engine written by someone else - how would that work? Would it "just" be a case of negotiating a separate deal with the engine modders to include their code in my proprietary licensed game? Id doesn't license any of their engines anymore. GPL is your only option.
Ok...so as I understand it, there's still nothing stopping anyone from charging money for a game based on a GPL'd engine, but of course you have to make the source code available free of charge. Does this mean all the assets (models, textures etc) fall under the GPL - or is it just the engine code - i.e. would I still retain exclusive rights to all the new art assets I've created? Or... does it work like this... Because the game includes GPL software (the engine), then although nothing stops me selling the game for money, once someone has bought a copy, they are then allowed to distribute the entire game themselves freely? (engine, assets, the whole package)
I suck at all this legal stuff. Per the GPL, the code must be open sourced. Assets don't fall under this stipulation.
No, people who buy your game do not have the right to distribute your entire game. They have access to the source code, which they can look at, modify, sell (modified & GPL'd), etc. Right, thanks, so this is where it starts to feel rather skeevy to me...
Am I correct in saying the following is legal...a team of artists bang out a game that uses someone's modified quake engine (call it "EngineX", but imagine it could be any popular Quake engine mod). This team then put the game on Steam for $$$, and include only the source code for EngineX (which they have to under the GPL licence). Meanwhile, the author(s) of EngineX wake up one morning to find all their hard work being used in a commercial game that they knew nothing about and is just making cash for someone that's not them? The author of engineX is bound by the GPL to accept that scenario. Id software set the terms when they released the original source code.
There are tools to automatically block Tor exit nodes. http://mikhailian.mova.org/node/194
A lot of sites have them. It would also block the guy who is asking all the GPL questions who is using Tor, which is probably the same guy. The author of engineX is bound by the GPL to accept that scenario. Id software set the terms when they released the original source code.
Ok, Thanks for clearing that up. I understand now. I think this is the same guy that insulted Kinn in the Quakespasm thread. It would also block the guy who is asking all the GPL questions who is using Tor, which is probably the same guy. I have only ever posted in this thread here, now, asking these questions. It seems you are accusing me of being someone else because I am using Tor - I am using Tor because I am posting from work. I work at a financial institution and we are only ever allowed to access the internet at work via Tor - for reasons that I am not entirely clear about - and probably shouldn't speculate about on a public forum! Anyway, thanks for your help guys, you have been most informative. There now exists a video of me explaining the benefits of virtual reality night clubs to a group of 40 people.
Really sorry about the Nice attack. You guys have had too much shit in the last year's. Ionous - French mapper stream playthrough soon?
Not surprising, really. November 13th wasn't the first and wasn't the last attack. As usual we'll have the good old apologists doing nothing to stop that bullshit and everything will return to business as usual until the unavoidable next attack.
A fine idea. I'll see if I can fit it in this weekend.
Again, condolences to the French families who have to deal with another senseless attack. https://www.twitch.tv/ionous
Going stream a few maps from JPL and Skacky. Starts in about thirty minutes. .. thanks a lot guys, I appreciate that. I am living 30km away from Nice, but I was not there a this time fortunately. I am actually in the US with my family visiting California and West National Parks (Grand Canyon, Monument Valley, etc...) since July 12... so far away to be hit directly... but indirectly that's another story.
We have been extremely shocked by this attack, as we have friends that were there, and for which things has been more critical. My thoughts are with all of them. On episode 3, so far so good. Winona ryder's character is annoying as hell, but other than that it's pretty cool.
Come to think of it, the CG feels pretty out of place considering it's a love letter to the 80's. Practical effects would've been nice... But most other characters and actors are great, even the kids, which are a weak point of many shows / movies. But these are great and somewhat believable within the context of the show.
I like the sheriff best, though. It's great that the writers took care in explaining his very un-sheriff-like actions in later episodes. Good stuff. Lots of fun. but this is the most hilarious thing i've ever seen
brilliant This Is Borderline Fanfic Territory #96 posted by mankrip [66.249.88.159] on 2016/02/10 15:56:02 Shambler is the husband, Vore is the wife, Fiend is their kid, and the Spawn is their dog. They walk around for a picnic in the woods, while scrags sing in the trees and rotfishes dance in the water. Shambler asks "Did you bring the canned meat, honey?". Vore answers "Here, my love", and hands him a knight's head soaked in blood inside of a helmet. They eat the head, they eat their child, and then Vore starts to have sex with Shambler while he slaps the Spawn into her ass until it explodes. Everyone is happy, everyone is dead. Le fin. should of been the next speedmapping theme About:
Mission64 is a Quake 2 for Nintendo 64 recreation attempt for KMQuake 2 engine. The goal is to bring all 19 single-player levels from the game to PC. Current progress: The first map ("Strogg Outpost") is complete and playable. Screenshots Usage: Extract "mission64" folder from the archive into your Quake 2 folder, then use "mission64/Launch.bat" to play. Download: Public test 1 Great stuff. Does it also have the extra effects of the N64 port, such as muzzleflashes and lens flare?
...and no doubt listed all sorts of features like the game will have location-based dismemberment, an eating-gibs-to-gain-health mechanic...
I'm content with how the game turned out. Although, pretty much like with both classic Doom games, it would've benefitted from another month of polishing.
Episode 4 could have benefited from being less ugly, but I doubt another month would have appreciably changed the game.
well i know that originally there were more rpg elements planned, I wonder if it would have turned out closer to what hexen II was
I'm glad it was released when it was, I'm glad that it was as it was, I'm glad that it has become what it has, I'm glad I enjoyed it for so long.
Dunno. A lot of small fixes can be done in a month.
That is, of course, if you're still able to notice things that need fixing, and if you actually care. Yes it does look ok. Ignoring the retarded eyeball for now, I like that there generally appears to be some tasteful art direction this time around, as opposed to the gaudy clown-vomit-textured eyesores that were the Quake 3 maps.
Btw, why are the gibs getting progressively more crap as the Quake series goes on?
In terms of both audio and visuals, Quake 1's gibs were chunky, solid, satisfying and hilarious. Quake 2's gibs were more squishy and liquidy but still fairly amusing. Quake 3's gibs relied too much on lame splat sprites and had a stupid, almost homebrew-esque splat sound. The gibs in that champions video look even worse, visualised almost completely by a lame 2D particle/sprite splash thing. Looks decent, yeah. Just like Doom. Still, the first trailer of the game shows a multiplayer-only experience; that's exactly why I didn't like Q3A, and so far it is why I don't currently like Champions.
I liked Q3 gibs, unlike Q2 gibs. The latter feel like diluted kompot, and you can blow someone apart by as little as sneezing on them. Kinda like in Doom 3, which was a little embarrassing in The Age of Realism (but at least the visual effect was interesting).
Q4 - the gibs were so weak that I had difficulties even remembering how they looked. Still can't remember how they sounded. Looks dismal. Is it supposed to be a spoof of how cliched and generic MP shooters have become?
Also there is a Quake Chumps thread for this bullshit. The web interface for Twitch has for a long time relied on the Flash plugin for playing video. It seems they're now finally rolling out the HTML5 player sitewide.
Previously, if you didn't like Flash, you had to use an external program like Livestreamer and your favorite video player to watch streams. Now, you can use a browser without the Flash plugin installed. In my case it requires logging in before I can actually watch a stream on my Firefox, which I haven't installed the Flash plugin for. It also gives me the HTML5 player on Chrome even if it has the Flash plugin. (You can tell from the right-click context menu if you are watching via Flash or HTML5. Flash objects show an option with the word Flash in it.) This won't help with any bandwidth issues you might have, but it should lower the CPU usage when watching a stream or a few. http://www.scorn-game.com/
Very Alien-ish / Prometheus-ish like... really interested by the final result... though.. Yeah scorn looks interesting. They've saved a fair bit of money by replacing concept artists with google image searches for "giger" and "beksinski", which is a genius move really.
....that was posted in the other PC games thread two months ago??
Made the think there should really be more Scythe-like (if you know the Doom pwad) Q1SP community packs with small, action-packed levels. More refined than speedmaps, but not as evolved as your average regular level. Might make for an excellent jam theme, too!
How about an Asbestos pack?
For those that don't know the rules: - Only one texture for all solid brushes - Must include a deadly liquid, only one liquid texture allowed Day of the Lords-inspired pack? I recently replayed it and it was even better than the first time. Pretty distinct visuals too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAO21FHtqSw
going by what he's saying, you'd basically be better off as a sysadmin or an applications programmer or really anything else. If what he's saying is generally true, that's really unfortunate :/ It's true.
I know people who make software who make 2-3 times more than they would if they were in the game industry. There is literally an endless queue of nerdy kids straight out of university who would sell their grandmas to ~ work in games ~ , so you take a bunch of these people on, pay them next to sod all, and when they burn out after a few years of crunch, you just replace them with a bunch more of the same from this bottomless well of gullible dorks.
IMO the only gaming venture worthwhile is making your own games. That is unless you can get a senior position at a big company like Blizzard or maybe a position with an established team like Epic or Id Software.
Working in games is pretty cool, I wouldn't trade it for much else (going on 9 years in the industry, barely done any crunch at all).
I'm an artist though, so not like I have much choice anyways. Most of the devs I've chatted with confirm this though, but many of them chose games cause they say it's more interesting (this is mostly 3D Engine guys though, so doing more cutting-edge stuff really). Kinn, good companies don't do what you describe to developers though, you usually want to keep developers longer, so pay them a bit better (but not as much as in software yeah). What you're describing sounds more like what is done to basically most of the other jobs though... hrm, that's a shame. I've read/heard before that for the majority, especially new blood, the games industry will burn you out quickly and make you hate it. I was under the assumption that the average entry level dev position paid around $60k-$70k /yr, not 40.
I've never been interested in joining the game industry proper, it's just striking how shitty people make it out to be. A rather unorthodox question, I know, but: what would be the recommended Quake engine to use if I wanted to play Quake on OS X with a gamepad?
Eh... I agree with Kinn. Most Blizzard wanabe companies follow that business model, and the kids working there don't know any better.
Building your own company is the only way to break the cycle really, unless you get lucky and find a company with morals. Like Bal says, they do exist although sometimes it can seem like an urban myth. So... if you are thinking about getting into the games industry, think about it very carefully and make sure you know which role you're aiming for beforehand. Talk to some real devs about it who can dispel the bullshit hearsay. Games can be a meat grinder - it's big business, with all that is implied by the phrase. This is referring to a discussion that spawned out of the Mapping Help thread. Sorry for jumping in on this thread!
It's difficult to address the concept of Shamblers, Fiends or Vores in base-themed maps in Quake. Certainly, in the base game, there's no precedent for it. The only enemies that appear in the e*m1 maps are rottweilers, grunts and enforcers. The story certainly does nothing to preclude anything else being sent through, though. However, there is precedent for base enemies to appear outside of their theme, although it's only slight. Grunts make an appearance in e1m2, mixed in with their fantasy-themed compatriots. So, can otherworld-themed enemies be used in base? Of course they can. Is it appropriate to do so, however? If you want to be strict about it, no. Canonically, they never make an appearance in the base game of Quake. That said, rules like that are often subverted, both in the canon and outside of it. In the official mission pack, Scourge of Armagon, the entire first episode was base themed, as opposed to the first mission, as had been the case in the original game's four episodes. I could go on, but it would be simply repeating the same point again and again. Obviously what goes into a map is the creator's discretion. I just hope this post describes my position on the issue well enough. "An enemy codenamed Quake, is using his own slipgates to insert death
squads inside our bases to kill, steal, and kidnap.. "The story certainly does nothing to preclude anything else being sent through, though."
Just because the only "death squad" members that were sent through were three different types of troop, it doesn't mean they can't send anything else. They apparently just didn't choose to, it seems. When you say troops, I'm assuming you refer to enforcers, grunts and their dogs. Those weren't sent through, they were zombified on spot by the actual death squads. All this happened in the backstory, not in-game. You never get to meet the invaders in military bases because you're one step behind and they've already left. Though unofficial, Nehahra did a pretty good job at telling this backstory. That said, nothing prevents you from creating a base map in which the invaders are still here. For me, it would beat including semi-bosses who seem to have lost the way back to Stroggos.
Of course, to each their own, and not everyone has to like everything yadda yadda...
It's a good point to mention that the player is "one step behind" in the first mission of an episode. It wasn't something that had really crossed my mind, but that's more a fault with Quake's plot "delivery" (is it even fair to call it that?) and my own poor memory than any of the actual evidence. One wonders though what that original invading force would have looked like. I can't imagine many of the enemies we see in the game being a part of an invading force. I suppose the knights would be the ground troops? Or zombies, or ogres... This is all very subjective. Very, very subjective... I think I'd rather go back to not caring much about the lore and just existing in a simple FPS playpen with "bad guys". That's an interesting take on it. So many fresh ideas! now I want to go put a shambler in a cage...
Yes, I was referring to the Edie Pritchard and I were talking about earlier in the mapping help thread.
Well in Nehahra, pretty much everyone except the bosses show their mugs.
If I'm not mistaken, the "story" in the game manual does touch upon the fact that you arrive too late to save your fellow soldiers. Of course, you're perfectly entitled to ignore all this, as the scenario was never relevant to the game itself. But it is there nonetheless, for those who want to pay attention to it. Bottom line: do as you want. Quake with Edies is still better than no Quake at all. I must say I do like yhe1's idea, if you really feel like pursuing it. Granted, medieval knights look a bit out of place in a futuristic setting, but since you travel to their world, why couldn't they do the same like the rest of Shub's army?
Granted, mechanical ogres look a bit out of place in a medieval setting, but since you travel to their world, why couldn't they do the same like the rest of Shub's army?
not "hard" per se, but totally off-limits in any way i'd say.
Get Quakespasm to render 10000k* of polys smoothly, and we talk again. *thats 10 mega polys actually, so ten million at a time. Where is Baker when we need him? Mark V supports "fence" textures on models. Good for leafy stuff.
You could do a lot of cool vegetation stuff with that at fairly low polycounts. Latest Quakespasm supports gamepads on osx, should just work. there are some config options in the readme
I agree it's impossible to expect "modern" foliage in quake, but I've often wondered what's stopped people from using the methods people actually used in the era around when it came out (and for quite a while after)?
I'm thinking something like this, which I could see as being achievable with mods that allow loading custom models. Has anyone tried this method? Sprites work fine in Quake1, like the light bowl.
It's perfectly round, so the turning of it won't matter. With trees I tried once, but the turning of its flat side was rather anoying. It could work with round bushes or cactus though. I remember having a hard time to get two sprites diagonally at the same point, or in clude it. For now I'm happy with statics like tree, because it hasn't that detailled surface, while quake's objects are rather cubick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmVOH1r7Els
This is what I had in mind when thinking of billboard trees, in case that wasn't clear. Sadly I don't have any pictures of trees to try out, just some of the grates that are included in Quoth by default. MadFox, i'm not quite sure I understand what you mean by the "turning of its flat side", sorry. :s how sprites always face you, looks weird with trees. example.
I've done tests using the method you're talking about. It has its own problems that are annoyingly obvious with asymmetrical, organic shapes like trees. If you use the same sprite you'll get mirroring. There are a few ways around this, but they all take time because you have to draw a bunch of unique face. Fuck that noise. Also lighting these trees will be a Here's a test (vid might need time to process) using the method you described with two unique tree sprites. Not great, but at least there's no mirroring. For quake, models are probably your best bet. It really is all about the visual standards you want your map to hold up to. Each approach has its flaws, but some are more severe than others (sprites turning to face the player gives me Doom flashbacks!).
I quite like the look of the tree you demonstrated using the mirror-less sprites, but obviously some people will prefer the model, floating leaves and all. At least any of those three methods are better than trying to build one out of brushes... A model may be more consistent with the rest of quake's style. It wouldn't necessarily have to look anything like the example madfox posted. with things like speedtree you could have model done faster than you could say "chimarvamidium".
The solution I arrived at is sprite trees like in the example, except with redesigned trees that are much more slender and taller, which minimizes the weird effect madfox mentioned. Instead of really goofy hacks (sprite trees? seriously?) ---
Nicely prod Quakespasm nicely to consider adding Mark V alpha masked models modification. It's a very simple/easy engine mod, it's little more than a 2 liner (10 liner?). Kinn likes it. Necros thought it was awesome. http://quakeone.com/proquake/interims/mark_v_alpha_models.jpg Thread with sample mod: http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-help/quake-clients/11994-alpha-masked-models.html Open lavaball.mdl in QME and look at the model. [Palette 255 is transparent color, model must have flag 0x4000 set in the I can only imagine what Sock or mfx or ijed would do with this modification. Or ahem --- Kinn. ;-) I'm scared to even "nicely prod quakespasm nicely" considering all the politics and drama that goes on around Quake engines. Maybe it's not as severe as it seems to me but I'd prefer not to get caught up in any "purists vs. fidelity" argument :s
I'd prefer not to get caught up in any "purists vs. fidelity" argument
Masked textures on models is a pretty chill feature and is totes quakey. It could be more of a "let's see some content first, then I'll add it to the engine" thing though.... IIRC, even Hexen 2 had masked textures on models. I even remember it having partially translucent models.
However, I wouldn't expect to see flowering vegetation in quake, maybe in techbase a hydroponics lab.
The fading essence of the damned lingering among the gnarled forms of some abhorrent copse is probably not enough to sustain leaf growth. Needs electrolytes. I see palms working well in egyptian themed maps.
Lillypads, vines in swampy type maps. Webs. Bushes. Bone-bushes Bone lattice / fencing. Opens up some interesting choices for animated ojects such as swaying vines. ...Alk13 from 15 years ago and met up with some old friends (enemies). Really enjoyed it.
Might wallow in some more nostalgia later on. Yes, another nice map.
I think I am going to pick-off some more between 2001 and 2005. But no need to worry, I shan't give a running commentary or flood the board with 'must-play-this' type messages. However, should I really, really enjoy the map, I may try to spread some joy... Hey Mike if you have comments, that's what the board is for!
I particularly like seeing someone's take on older maps that I may have missed or forgotten. I kind of flop back and forth between whether I'm in the mood for a super-polished modern Quake map or a really crunchy 90s-style nostalgia trip. O.K. Guys, I told you I was new at this......so here it goes. I'm taking screen shots of my maps as some of you have requested, however, When I take the pics it saves it to a
Pete (Gotshun) D. Screenshots are in the folder above your maps folders.
Convert to jpg http://image.online-convert.com/convert-to-jpg What is even the point of spam posts if they don't have links for us to buy our Nba 2k17 Mt and Fifa 17 Coins from? Do they expect us to go out and get scammed by ourselves?
i think the idea is first to increase the google rank of this page for those keywords, and then once it ranks high on the google search results, they would come in and add a URL to their website.
These have no doubt been discussed countless times before, but as I just finished the final map of DoE I thought I might ask what people think of the two official expansions for Quake?
Personally, I think they're pretty okay, especially SoA. I felt like there were some pretty poor levels in DoE, and the alternate ammo system was kind of annoying, and made the player a bit overpowered... SoA had its own problems though. I can't think of a single point at which the proximity grenade launcher would be useful. And what about the level design? Considering the age, it's not the worst, but I do feel that it leaves a bit to be desired compared to the original game, at least in the earlier episodes. Anyway, i'm interested to see what other people think. Now I can finally say i've beaten all of Quake! I can't think of a single point at which the proximity grenade launcher would be useful.
I guess the designers just got caught up in the "add gimmicky shit even if it's useless" fad. Gremlins are another example from the same mission pack. If you disregard the cool factor of their hilariously ineffective unique abilities, you end up with a sort of an even slower pinky demon from Doom. I guess the designers just got caught up in the "add gimmicky shit even if it's useless" fad.
bulletholes lol. SoA is overall very well done with some of the best level design of that era. DoE is a largely mediocre effort with the occasionally decent level, and let down severely with utterly crap weapon upgrades and mostly rubbish new monsters. I used to like DoE overall. But I can't remember the levels now. Should probably replay both mission packs sometime.
What I do remember is that it has some questionable stylistic choices. Quake is different from Hexen, so cute Egyptian cliches don't work in it. Those wraith things look out of place for the same reason - wrong kind of fantasy. I understand when I see such things in fan mods, but official releases should maintain a more cohesive vision. I just replayed the first episode of DoE so it was fresh in my mind, I played SoA not too long ago.
DoE is claustrophobic and feel somewhat "quakey". Something about the artwork in SoA feels like it doesn't fit well with quake. Neither of them felt like "good" expansion packs. Even the titles should clue us on to that, they were "mission packs", there was nothing really ground-breaking about them. And they were made by third parties, not by id themselves. That should be a big-ass warning sign in and of itself.
I enjoyed SOA and DOE a lot! There were not so much other levels available as now and I remember playing them with great pleasure.
The Gremlin that took my gun was the strangest part I can remember, as the proxy mines, spikeballs and even a real dragon! Big wheels turning. Comparing games from such a time ago with mapping nowadays goes a bit lame, I think. And then there was Malice, with its Scuba, parachutes and velocity jumps. Something about the artwork in SoA feels like it doesn't fit well with quake.
I don't know about the artwork, but I thought the same about the levels. For SOA, the underground railroad level stands out as my favorite.
"Hip1m3: The Lost Mines by Levelord" See Top 10 Base Maps #4 http://www.quakewiki.net/archives/underworld/tronynqexpo08a1.html For the record, i managed to get through the entirety of SoA without ever having a Gremlin or whatever they're called steal a weapon from me.
That was a general trend with the enemies in the mission packs, I think. They were either annoying to fight (Wraths, or Phantom Swordsmen stick out here) or minor spins on original enemies that barely brought anything new to the game (Multi-grenade Ogre). Those were all DoE enemies, and that's just because SoA managed to largely avoid the problem by not providing as much content in that area. Spike mines suck, but Centroids are just... meh. They're most notable for looking really broken and dumb when you shoot them with a nailgun... Well, it happened to me a couple of times.
But I can't remember if any of them ever managed to scratch me. on SoA, and many others out of curiosity, but it happened more in custom maps like https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/themyths.html , it has a nice gremlin combat, that reminds of some more classical zombie swarm attack. MadFox also reported about it some posts above.
* Pritchard: about the proximity grenade, it is required on some secrets, but i agree that it is hard to use against enemies in Quake, as it is usually better to just spam grenades, due to how lowly dangerous most enemies in Quake are without very specific setups or big numbers. In theory is a very good weapon, but in Quake is lame. I think it would be way better to use it against the player for ambushes and setups like in Altar of Storms. How you did it, Necros? It is a hard to use code? * About SoA and DoE i think that they are underestimated. I think that they are mainly underrated because they came later, after people was hooked already on Deathmatch and on the many Multiplayer mods, and there was already many other games launched or almost there, like Quake 2 and Unreal and the hype was lessened. * While many things in DoE are a bit out of place in a Lovecraft environment (enemies), the environments not so much as Lovecraft is about ancient ruins too (it just needs better ambient), the different ammo system is a bit of a hassle, but some of the weapons are good, multi-grenade ogres are a good fight (using them yourself not) but it is a pity that they spawn randomly and its not controllable by the mapper, and the plasma gun is marvelous, even though i think it would suit more Unreal than Quake. Its a decent experience overall but i agree that it is less good than the basic game and levels most of the time. * About SoA i cannot say much, while the level design is quite good, but can look weird to Quake players because its way more no-linear sometimes than ID levels, many things that appeared with it were scarcely used and there is barely any custom maps out there, and they only use a small part of them (mainly rotating entities and centroids), reason why i am eager to see more SoA custom maps. On the other side maybe not, because when i tested the DoE map i did for sm175, i ended up realizing that the wraths are weaklings compared with what i thought of them while playing DoE, manly because in DoE i used the overpowered weapons to kill them before they could raise a finger and on that map i only had the SG and NG, and i am doubting on preserving that image for the other enemies before i get to know them and do like with shamblers and other stock Quake enemies, that seem so dull nowadays because i know them fully to the point the shambler dance is a routine and not something risky (except on skill 3 of course). Taking into account that when it was released i thought it was a really scary videogame "Don't tell me I'm the only jerk that lost his gun to a Gremlin?" It happened to me just a few days ago! Fucker stole my LG and dosed me with it...
I've searched weeks in the SOA code how it was done.
Ended up with a code "head p64" that switched the gremlin to a gun holder and the player with "r_drawviewmodel 1". Still don't have a clue how it's done. ahoy released a new video today
And if you're not already subbed, go have a long, hard look in the mirror. "Fucker stole my LG and dosed me with it..."
I forgot to mention he also dosed his fellow monsters in the process. That was fun! Gremlins were awesome. A little bit cannon-fodder, till they suprise the f out of you, and your gun is gone.
Geez... mugwump spamming the QS thread pisses me off a little, cos i try to read all of that one. I know stupid rants and arguments are kindof the norm, but RED-LETTER-TITLES should be freaking insta-banned imho. r a 20 yo game.
This is true and good. As I said over there, when people talk to me, I don't ignore them, I reply. I admit that my long off-topic conversation with dwere should have been moved here instead, but let's not dwell on that, shall we?
Also, what's wrong with red? I chose this color as a reminder of the signature I use with my other alias, bfg666, on Quaddicted and QuakeOne. I mean, there's no signature on Quaddicted, only on QuakeOne, but I use the same alias and avatar on both sites.
Red is blood. Red is life. Red is lava. Red is death. Red is Cacodemon. Red is Chthon. Red is 777. Red rocks!
Red rocks. Literally. In more ways than one.
http://smartdenverrealestate.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/RR.jpg well I come back and find that this forum has just become "Mugwump's Stream-Of-Consciousness Playtime" forum.
Seriously man, is your age even in double digits yet? Lmao. Posted by metlslime [12.231.113.167] on 2002/12/23 18:24:21
Talk about anything in here. If purple trolls don't like it, purple trolls can kiss my body part where the sun don't shine. Or is this entire forum the private property of purple trolls? You're not funny and you never have been, either under this name or the original one, whatever one it may be - nobody can tell because all your shitposting is so run of the mill.
He was pissing me off, but now he's really starting to become inadvertently hilarious. It's so surreal! Let him barf.
<Shambler> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/116919-Quake-Retro-Review
<Shambler> omg lol <Shambler> the bit about passion <Shambler> i just wet myself P.S. NOT SORRY You're "look at me" red highlighting wouldnt be so irritating except for your freaking silly nick, and your constant biting for any old thing. Just find something else to do man.
I, too, long for a return to the days of intelligent discourse on this forum. I have many fond memories of the lengthy and mutually enlightening conversations I have had with the various quake sensei that grace these fora, and hope that we can all put aside our petty differences to return to those halcyon days of mutual respect and knowledge shareing. First though I feel I should point out that onetruepurple's house smells of wee and cabbages - what's that all about?
Green = Good
I hope mugwump will soon see the wisdom of this viewpoint and change their colour appropriately. (Because harassing people over their name/colour is where it's at now) With yellow in the middle... Why not trying NOT to be so exclusive? The world isn't either/or.
Am I the only one who ha ever seen a gremlin eat a corpse and spawn a new gremlin?
Thought the mispacks were pretty cool. The wrath is just darn scary looking. Mispack 1 (hipnotic SOA): Centroid - cool enemy, but needs nailgun glitch fixed...maybe not needed since AD has the pinch scorpions which are actually pretty neat though underused. Armagon - fun to fight enemy...tempting to make a battle with 2 of them, or supported by Edies. Meh perhaps not, these mech dudes are kinda ugly and not Quakey. Spikemines - nasty...good concept but instadeath is rarely a good idea. Could be better if damage was drastically reduced. Gremlins - love these guys. Loads of code work to get working for any additional mod weapons though for the stealing aspect. Corpse eating to spawn more gremlins is just a cool idea unless body fading is used (hrm). Also a cool gimmick, but it takes them too long to produce another one. I guess the developers were playing it safe.
Only once I saw this ability used in any meaningful way, and it was in a Tronyn map. Even then, it was more of a recreational slaughter after a serious fight. Which isn't so bad, I guess. They should have made it so if a gremlin molests a corpse long enough, it should bring the monster back to life. Neater backspawning technique.
A cool use could be to spawn them where a combat happened when the player isn't there. That way when the player comes back, an army is waiting for him, not too threatening as they are just greemlins, but interesting because the actual amount not depends on the mapper and changes each time, but on how fast the player is, how many enemies he gibbed (as far as i can remember gibbed bodies weren't of use to gremlins), or if the corpses are together or too separated.
Also, if they search for corpses while patrolling, it could be used to collect an army and repopulate the map in a random way. About the spike mines, the insta-death is less than a problem if they for example are used on a frontal attack in groups against the NG or RL, in a kill before they reach the player situation. It is manageable and the posibilities of dying low, but it has the tense part of survival situations. I almost want to believe that they added the spike mines to the game just to punish the player. One of the secrets on hip3m1 is right next to the cliffside, and there's a brush that lets you walk up it if you're careful. If you get to the top they throw two mines at you! Two! I think it might be more on higher difficulties too...
Gremlin corpse cleaning crew...nice!
Spikemine trap mentioned has about 5 of them on hard iirc along with Levelord's typical "You're not supposed to be here" messages. I think they work in open areas like that, though not by spawning them in. Have them hidden behind posts but still within the player's peripheral vision. Lavanails and multi rockets seem overpowered...I remember liking it when I was younger but now I'm conflicted. The plasmagun is of course quite awesome however. I do like how they don't replace normal weapons...the AD plasma gun replacement of the lightning gun seemes odd to me, where does the LG go, why would I drop it to pick up the plasma gun. Lame. Maps: Okayish for the most part, occasionally memorable locations such as Osiris Temple. Neat idea of different time periods though not very well polished.
Enemies: Invisible Swordsmen - I rather like these dudes though their animation is a tad jerky. Not sure I like the glow on them. Mitosis Spawn - Green version that splits into 2, interesting concept but it seems too slow. Stone Knights/Death Knights - Nice! Could use some extra sfx to match the theme of stone. Eels - what's not to love, always need more water enemies. Nice radius zap. Morph - meh, kinda wierd, always was confused by how more than one came but only one was the 'real' one or something. Source of the minion concept maybe? Lavamen - Yeah!! Would have benefited from maps that gave them room to roam, they do walk/swim after all. Hmm, another liquids monster. Wrath - creepy, I really liked the evil feeling from these guys. Wrath Overlord - A cool boss, love the death gib burst. Mummy - excellent, combined with ineffective effects (AD) for normal on zombies and it would be obvious that this enemy was afdected by normal weapons. Dragon - Great rumble, hard catch, needs a lot of ammu before it roasts with a fire blast.
Another lizzard hard to set up. I have a memory of a strange face I saw that grew and split out transparant in front of me. Gorok
It's a very rare view, because the red part becomes transparant, which in my knowing was impossible for model mdl's. Reading up on multithreaded programming and discovering that "Dekker's algorithm" is a thing.
It's a bit of a low edge commercial expansion pack for Quake.
With new monsters and weapons, not as good as "Malice" but surely worth a try ! That website. My eyes.
Good to know there was a patch. To my surprise, I still have this thing installed, even though I only played it for a couple of minutes before encountering the "classic" untextured head gib bug (or something of this kind, I don't remember), getting annoyed, and switching to something else. I even ripped the music, it seems. I was hyped for X-MEN: THE RAVAGES OF APOCALYPSE total conversion too, but it was mediocre...
I have same feelings for Shrak, looks lame :P The only decent commercial addons were the official mission packs and malice. Everything else was cack.
I remember Malice's rain effect rocked my balls back in the day. Might look a bit crude now though.
I'd love to see a nice rain effect in AD. Would add a ton of atmosphere. There's a game-breaking issue on one of the levels. A patched map (that you had to pak yourself) was available on the official site, but I don't think it's still alive.
I don't remember hearing a lot of complaints about that problem, despite its importance. Was there a late pressing with the fixed map or something? QuakeC rain, every rain drop is an entity.
* Huge demos saving each rain drop. * Huge save game files saving each rain drop. * Nearly uncoopable because huge amount of data sending each rain drop to other player(s). Engine rendered rain or snow is only true solution: DarkPlaces snow and rain (at 1:12) in video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkXA4BoYhiM Qrack has engine rendered rain which isn't bad, looks about the same as the rain in the above demo. Nehahra had a smallish area with some QuakeC snow. If the raindrops were 1x1x1 unit cubes, the mdl format gives you a 255x255x255 voxel grid to work with.
Give the mdl a scale factor of (4, 4, 16), then your 1x1x1 raindrops are stretched to that size, and the whole mdl covers 1024x1024 units. could be viable, and would look good with alpha + fog. The trick would be getting the lerping right to give a convincing animation loop.. I approached the idea of snow with a sprite.
It sounds a bit rare, but what if it was added to the v_weapon so it dazzled on the video screen. snowsprite I think Seven made it and while he's awesome, I think he did it in an inefficient manner just because "it worked" (and if optimized would be seriously faster, it's not even CSQC like I was thinking initially).
That critical point when framerate tanks was always strange to me. I appreciate the feature and it's great in a pinch. A more optimized iteration would of course be nice. I agree with you that engine-side weather is the way to go.
I've poked around at some alternatives using a "forest" of player-facing sprites for rain and a decal on the ground for splashes/ripples, which is the same way I achieved the water caustics effect I posted a while ago. This looks ok and certainly has its limitations, namely, it gets pretty cluttered in the editor. I was thinking something like a pooled entity system where only a limited number of raindrop entities are active at any one time, and constantly redistributed to only appear in rain volumes that are in the player's field of view. However, considering the player's view could be constantly whipping around, this starts to look like a rather messy and calculation-intensive way of doing it.
Use the best tool for the job. If one of the above cheater methods (static entities) doesn't work, the easiest method to grab gl_rain from Qrack. It's already written and has been a feature for a decade. Qrack's rain, 100% engine, comes from sky only. Very fast.
Qrack gl_rain https://youtu.be/50N7QkqbS5Q ^^ 12 seconds into video, you'll see the rain. Add some sort of worldspawn key or activation command similar to the "fog x y z" and it would be a couple hour job for an experienced engine coder. Qrack's rain has the same advantages as engine-based fog. Doesn't go in demos, doesn't go in saves, doesn't clog network traffic and can be turned off and is fast as lightning. /I have to go with what videos I can find --- so ignore the music. The rain looks bad, I'm interested in how mankrip would implement it with his engine though.
as a side note is it pronounced man krip or mank rip? The rain looks bad
well, everything in that qrack video looks eye-gougingly horrific. If there was demand for it, I'd like to think the developers behind tasteful engines such as QS would implement a weather particle system in such a way that it wouldn't look terrible. Giving the designer full control over the dynamics and visuals of the particles would obviously be a requirement. Instead of using simple, cheap yet fast 2d particles, 3d has much more options, is that the reason why you're discussing about this? I kind of lost me track where this discussion was leading to.
'gl_rain from Qrack' is that the best one out there? An entity in Quake is like a monster, a torch on the wall or a box of nails or an actual nail fired from a nail gun.
One method to generate "rain" that mods have used, is to make tons of rain drop entities in QuakeC (think Quake mod: Quoth, Arcane Dimensions, etc). But each rain drop is an entity (think monster). Having a great many trivial entities each with their own location, frame, model, slot, etc. causes many problems (demo size, save game size, large amount of data sent from client to server, other issues). A static entity (like a torch or invisible wall like a func_illusionary) cannot move, be created, be destroyed but is almost free. Metlslime brings this up as an option for a rain effect. The other alternative being discussed is a pure engine effect, like the fog you see in maps. Thank you, that made everything much more clear. So could it be animated "thing", which is easy to control through duration/speed keys etc.
I guess that engine effect is still a bit vague to even talk about, yet alone what it is going to be in a practice. the problem with using entities is that they may or may not be interpolated.
if they're not interpolated (qs) then they'll be jerky. if they are interpolated then they'll move upwards for a frame! /me wonders how easy it would be to port fte's particle system over to quakespasm. /me wonders how many people would complain about the result... Torches in Quakespasm are not lerped ONLY because they are excluded in the r_nolerp_list cvar. (Spike groans).
Do r_lerpmodels 2 in console and they are. r_lerpmodels 2 lerps everything no matter what. you could solve the rain lerping upwards for one frame by having the drop go to zero scale the frame before and after the upwards lerp.
A heads up for people interested in gamedev. You can get GameMaker: Studio Pro and some add-ons cheap in a Humble bundle for approx eleven days as of today.
https://www.humblebundle.com/gamemaker-bundle It's not the perfect tool for making games or getting into gamedev by any means, but there are examples of successful indie games made with it. Here are some. https://www.yoyogames.com/showcase Some will argue that if you are serious about gamedev, you should learn a real language like C++ and use this or that engine for your serious projects. I don't disagree that these are important considerations for dedicated indie devs, but the thing is you can still learn all these things after playing around with GameMaker to your heart's content. I think of it as an option for someone looking to get started casually in gamedev with a limited budget of time and money. There is also the free GameMaker: Studio you can get from Steam or Yoyo Games, if you want to take a look before buying anything. It's a good idea to see what it can help you with and what you still got to learn for yourself, because there are no silver bullets or free lunch. Although none are actually weather effects, the following models demonstrate the idea of creating particle style effects which disappear and then reappear to allow looping in engines with interpolation:
forcefield and smoke. The forcefield is the closest to the idea as the particles loop - even though there are particles going in both directions, if you track any one you'll notice that it only ever travels in one direction. The smoke is actually performing a similar trick, but because it's a big long thing it's harder to spot. runic barrier. This is also similar to the smoke, but because it's got a greater number of distinct "particles" it might be more representative. embers. These aren't intended to loop as such, but they demonstrate the idea of particles disappearing into nothing. They also exhibit a nice "floatiness" which might be good inspiration for snow. Guys, qME finally stopped working on Windows 10 (it complains it won't run on 64-bit) -- what's the best alternative if all I want to do is just stick an extra skin into a Q1
Hmmmm. Doesn't sound right.
Windows has what is called a "Windows on Windows" system to run 32-bit applications built-in to the operating system. Visual Studio is a 32-bit application, as a hilarious example. Is it just the installer that doesn't work (more likely)? Here is a link to the shareware version of QME 3.1 (QMELite)
https://www.quaddicted.com/files/tools/qme31.zip That file is just a zip, no need to use an QME's goofy installer which very well could be a 16-bit application from the Windows 98 days.
These slides linked at the end of the article are good too: http://advances.realtimerendering.com/s2016/Siggraph2016_idTech6.pdf
You're right, it was just the installer. I'll have to grab the full exe off my other machine at some point, then.
Anyone using the Quake Injector - if you got a minute, could you please test this: install Quoth from scratch through the Injector and check if it's version 2.2, possibly even install some Quoth map (without a prior Quoth installation) and see if it works and runs on 2.2.
I was on vacation during August and decided to do the exact same thing. I've made the first 4 maps, but using Quake 2 PC's original textures and items.
You can find it here: https://www.quaddicted.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=422 I'm not an expert mapper or anything, this is probably the most complex Quake mapping I've ever done and I've only ever used QuArK, but maybe I could be of some assistance? Never mind. Turns out it doesn't work. Blame Spirit. Too bad really - would have been nice if QI and corresponding Quaddicted systems could be set up to automatically install additional files like updates when running maps and dependencies.
It has been 99.7% done for well over a year, but I haven't done anything to it in a long time. I guess I got tired of looking at it.
If I could work up enough enthusiasm to make some better wood floor textures, I'd probably be able to finish it up pretty quickly. It's really nothing special, just an okay sort of map. I really hate Windows sometimes.
I was messing around in the registry and accidently deleted an entire branch of keys. No problem, I'll just do a restore. "Windows Restore could not complete." Hmmm, I restart and nothing works. Okay, I will use the "Repair" option from the install disk. Put disk in, reboot from DVD and go to repair. "This version of repair is not compatible with this version of Windows." Huh? It's the same DVD it was installed from. Well shit, I'll just reinstall. There was nothing much on the disk anyway, Steam and Quake was all, because I just replaced the SSD in July. Reboot from DVD and go to install. "Windows cannot be installed to this disk. The selected disk is of the GPT partition style" What? It was just RUNNING from that disk 30 minutes ago. So Google tells me I need to delete all the existing partitions. Well, I didn't really want to do that because there's several games in the Steam folder that would have to be re-downloaded and some saves I might want to keep. Luckily I had a couple of new SSDs not in use yet, so here I am fucking around with a computer when I really wanted to be doing something else. Thank you Microsoft. Naughty Dog has the answer https://twitter.com/tdDaz/status/775856063543291904
The most annoying thing about Windows is that while I can install it in 10 minutes, it can take another hour to make it look and work the way I want it to.
So many of Microsoft's default settings make me want to bang my head on the desk. Thankfully, a couple of years ago I wrote myself an 8 page instruction sheet, so I can usually get it done fairly quick. The fact that almost all the software and programs I use run in portable or semi-portable mode off a completely separate disk helps a lot. And I have a flash drive with a separate folder for each computer that has all the chipset, ethernet, etc drivers and stuff needed for a re-install. It's been 2 hours and the machine is pretty much back to where it was. About all that's left to do is copy Steam and Quake off the old drive. I already use Debian on my lab/workshop computer, and I should be able to retire my Windows server this week. I have a FreeNAS box to replace it, just need the new drives to finish testing and then I can set it up.
I don't really find Linux any easier to use than Windows, if anything it's harder to make it do simple stuff, but at least it doesn't give me that icky "we're spying on you" feeling all the time. Sadly, because of games mostly, I think at least one Windows/Steam machine is going to be a necessity for a while. I really hate Windows sometimes. I was messing around in the registry and accidently deleted...
Seems like one of Microsoft's tracking methods is called "jump lists", sort of like a most recently used list, but it includes things like web addresses you've visited. Even if you turn off the option to keep a history of recent files and such, it looks like it still records them, they're just not shown.
While using "private browsing" in Firefox, Windows still writes data to the folder where the history file is saved. That doesn't seem right, and I was trying to find a way to remove the folder, but it's some kind of super-protected system file. I was poking around in the registry to what could be done there. It was an accidental error, but regedit has no undo function and I hadn't made a backup because it was a relatively fresh install. I finally ended up just removing all permissions from the folder and now I don't see any writes being made. If Quake was done by the same people today, it would be a VR board game set in an ancient Chinese holographic world with an upbeat pop-goth soundtrack.
Good to see you still lurking around (lol that's all I'm doing these days too).
I don't want Windows 10. I think I might actually bite the bullet and switch to Linux. I'm pretty incompetent and lazy, but all Microsoft had to do to keep me as a user, was simply refrain from doing all the bullshit they did do. Linux isn't bad. The biggest problem is that there's too many of them. I think I've got 6 or 7 on my test machine. Sad thing is, I don't really like any of them.
I've used Mint for almost 2 years on one machine, but the only thing it's used for is web browsing and e-mail. Too much use of that snot green color, other than that it's okay. I like using arch, although I've only ever run it on headless systems that i just ssh into. The package manager is quite nice, and there's plenty of documentation out there.
I'm pretty sure it's not too hard to build a good desktop GUI on arch, you just need to know what works well with your hardware and how to install it. I've never tried though. Still, if there isn't a particular distro that you like, Arch might help you build one better suited to your needs. Of course, if the issue is more to do with linux and its ecosystem in general, not much help there... q1tm3_hrimfaxi: Raisins in a box
q1tm3_hrimfaxi2: Careful with that axe From a turtle map of January 2004. I especially liked hrimfaxi2. Hrimfaxi named a map after a Pink Floyd song I love and always thought would make a great map name.
Linux I use an old HP notebook to watch Netflix on TV. I had a few problems connecting to TV thru HDMI on Windows 7, but it was working. Then I updated do Windows 10 and it stopped working completely. Searched for solution, tried to update drivers. Nothing. Then I installed Windows 7 back. Nothing. Then Windows 7 started to ask for activation. I installed Ubuntu Mate. HDMI working wonderful, easy installation, fast boot, no hassle. Mate is classic interface, very easy and fast. And free. I don't like that song much but I love Floyd and that title, and I've played good maps by Hrimfaxi before so I'll have to download this.
Yeah! I have always loved Pink Floyd.
Made a few maps with titles from Floyd, Pow r Toc h, Set the Controls and the above Careful...! Any more? Hmmm... don't remember. The Division Bell would be a great map title. Imagine a map split in two by a huge chasm, with a tall steeple in the middle. Of course, the bell would go bong! bong! either during the whole game or only for the final fight.
"The Final Cut", "Terminal Frost", "In The Flesh", "The Thin Ice" would all make pretty decent names, I think.
...Down the Ratbit Hole by neg!ke (obviously, this was before his amputation) from the sm100 turtle map event in July 2005.
Really liked the architecture - my kind of map - but when I got to the rat, and after reading all the messages, I shot at it, I got a MOVETYPE_PUSH error and crash. I tried again and started shooting before the messages and everything went OK. When I came the final battle I had one Shambler left but 7 health and no ammo. So I had to run away and search the map for any leftovers. Eventually, I found some and returned to get the last Shambler only to find another one teleported in as a backup. I managed to kill it with the very last of my ammo. Good map from a time gone by You must have played the version from the turtlemap pack then. There's a standalone version where that crash bug is fixed. It was caused by a rogue brushless door entity and often occured when using grenades in the rat room.
Why I used an awkwardly clipping trigger instead of making the rat a func_button is beyond me. Shame about the lighting and grindy gameplay in teh map, but then again, not bad for one week (including the loss and subsequent rebuilding of 1/3 of the map after an editor save mishap). Although the crash surprised me, it did not spoil my enjoyment of the map. Well done.
Mugwump: Once upon a time, in a world far away, Neg!ke was playing with scissors. Now we all get taught at school never to run with scissors in your hand but Neg!ke would not listen; he thought he knew better than his teacher. Well, guess what; he didn't. He ran with scissors, fell over and Neg!ke became Negke. The exclamation mark, of course! I thought you might be talking about a real amputation. That would've sucked.
Nice story BTW. Some others make a living out of Running With Scissors. ...Hangover Devastation by Ankh.
Good monster placement, and nice architecture. Liked it. Ha ha holy crap.
I do really want to poke around in those maps. I lived in the original 3wctf maps for a while back in the day. I've been looking into DMC only recently. It has very interesting Quake weapon remakes. The designs are closer to the later titles such as UT or even Quake's own sequels, but still very good.
Who would thought talking about weather effects would induce Spike to patch up Quakespasm to do this:
Sparkles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TWUVe2_T3c Crazy. I can only hope that the community uses these newfound powers with great care and responsibility...
or we DarkPlaces now, bois All jokes aside, it's pretty cool to see stuff like that. I can't say I'm a fan of any of the particles in the videos here or in the other thread, but that doesn't mean that the tools can't be used to make some great stuff. A particle-based waterfall effect will be very good for quake.
Waterfalls in quake have so far looked shite. is there any possibility that these can retain the original particle aesthetic?
each individual pixel bigger with less of them? The problem with many advanced features is them being used by people with insufficient experience. Default particle effects in advanced ports is a good example - they look weak at best. I think Nehahra (of all engines) got the least offensive bullet puff particles.
DMC's weapons ported to Quake when? I'm surprised I haven't seen this being done yet. Maybe it's the style differences. The particles sizes and quantities can be set, everything needed for fine-tuning is available.
I'm just documenting, not attempting to do fine-tuning --- that's on mappers. I'm not an artist. I hope at some point, someone with a more artist eye makes some higher quality examples. To me, the best way to use this sort of system would definitely cut down on the bloomy effect a lot of those particles have. Have each emission be a single pixel, or maybe two or three. Things like embers from fire, streaks of blood from gunshots, that sort of pixel-y, stylized look would fit well I think, especially considering QS's reputation as "a modern engine for pure quake" rather than being associated with pretty shinies.
Just... keep the aesthetic and you'll probably be popular in this community :p If the style's different, then a little recoloring of the textures shouldn't be hard. And if you want to keep the same aesthetics, you can always use DMC's textures (which I adapted for Quake for my mod, and you can download the
You can't have a robust particle system without also allowing the possibility that someone will use it in a way that's about as tasteful as a zoophile felching party.
Touching up the skins - maybe, but I was talking about the more elaborate designs in general.
Regardless of whether it was forced by the tools or hardware available at the time, Quake weapons look very crude, like they were hacked together in a society that possessed only basic technology and/or didn't care about aesthetics. Primitive and deadly. Egypt by Drew and Hrimfaxi, from February 2006.
Great architecture and real sense of scale. Quoth not overused at all. Nice map. Man, I just know when I see that post that func_msgboard is really shooting up the PageRanks...
Has anyone else tried loading saves on maps that have changed? Mine produced some fun results.
In other, off topic (well, it ought to be in mapping help at least) news... I have no idea what to do with the area the video is in. I can't figure out how to build anything fun there. I ALSO can't figure out how i'd want to get rid of it, though. Maybe i'll have to bite the bullet and nuke all that brushwork, we'll see... Gameplay. It looks great, I could keep it with just a few monsters... That might be what I do, I guess. It'd be a lot of work if I kept it though, you can see in the video how unfinished it is. Straight edges everywhere!
If you're building this for AD, you could set up an ambush with some monsters behind breakables. Or perhaps a little nasty trap involving lava below?
As for straight edges, a little vertex editing in TB could fix that, or adding some cavern entrances in the stone walls to break the lines. Another means to both add some gameplay and break the lines of the stone walls could be to set up some platforming along them with ledges and pillars.
It's a Quoth map, but the same sorts of things can be done in quoth anyway so that's fine.
I'm not sure about adding hidden monsters and stuff. I think i'd rather teleport them in infront of the player, if anything. It's a simple pathway from area A to area B, there's not going to be a lot of clutter. (What would the monsters even be? grunts in boxes? dogs??) I'm becoming more and more convinced that I ought to just finish decorating the area and have it be a simple pathway. Speaking of decoration, here's what I'm aiming for. I've done a section of it already, but it's a lot of really boring, time consuming work to get the level of detail I want. Also, none of the rockwork in my map is func_detail-ed. I really need to go back and fix that, vis might actually finish quickly then... "it's a lot of really boring, time consuming work to get the level of detail I want."
Well, quality work is never done with a snap of the fingers! If I were you, I wouldn't rely too much on monster teleport - I'm far from being the only one who finds it cheap. I see what seems to be a series of dark alcoves above, I would preferably use these instead of teleportation to hide some monsters and trigger them to jump on the player. Having monsters teleport in is a gimmick that has been used since the original Doom. While "cheap and easy" does come to mind, I prefer "done to death". That's not to say I haven't done it myself.
I know, I was there back then. Somehow I find it more acceptable in Doom than in Quake but still, it has always bugged me a little.
Yeah, that's why I'm not very keen on the area. Enemies that are there from the start will be engaging from maximum range, which is boring. Enemies breaking out of objects doesn't really suit the area either.
Teleporting enemies is fine if the player does something. Press a button to turn the lights on? Or activate a bridge? It seems reasonable to ambush the player there. They're a bit more in control of the situation, and I think most people are suspicious of buttons after years of similar abuse... One possible option that I have used is to place monsters out of sight with ambush flag set. Give them a targetname (can be shared) and when triggered they will set out after the player. Flying monsters such as a pack of scrags can work well this way, especially if one or two come from an opposite direction.
Again not really feasible here :( I can hide some monsters, but not many and only in a small section as the whole area is one big open space with nothing substantial to block LoS.
Rick, that's exactly what I meant earlier when I mentioned those dark alcoves seen in the [section] picture. Pritch, can't you make them come out of there?
They're really just set dressing. The picture may not illustrate it very well, but they're very high up and ver far back from the playable space. Maybe I could get a very extreme monsterjump going, but then it's just monsters falling from the sky, or scrags/bobs attacking from far off in the sky.
I'm thinking one thing I might try is using Sentinels hiding underneath the lava (which will br there someday). Having them rise out of it would be a nice effect. I just got an email from Newegg that has both Doom and Fallout 4 on sale for $20 with a promo code.
Deals expire at 11:59PM PT on Sunday, 09/25/2016 http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Sep-2016/Express_24/index-landing.html Yeah, I'm seriously tempted but my next purchase needs to be a video card upgrade so I can actually play games like those.
All the mention of spam increases this sites spamgoogle rang!
Someone whisper to mankrip that he should recompile start, e1m1 to e1m7 with lit water and put it in
Because he likes lit water, but few people have experienced it that would need lit2 support, otherwise it'll need to either be based on the slightly-different gpl versions and lack textures, or be a copyright violation.
with the original lit format, you can't add lightmaps/styles to a surface that doesn't already have lightmaps, nor move them around I've read the replies at InsideQC, but at first I couldn't answer because the Android version of Chrome can't login there, and now I've caught a cold so I'm having a hard time giving thoughtful answers. My head and my whole face was hurting nearly all the time, I couldn't sleep and so far I've used about 200m of toilet paper to clean the dripping from my nose.
But yeah, it's in my plans. E1M4 is a pain to compile though, all those angled surfaces in the underwater cave generate lots of leaks which are very difficult to fix without substantially changing the final geometry. A couple other maps have the same problem. Also, I'm waiting for the release of the next version of TyrUtils-EricW. Spike: I'm using the GPL map sources for this. Using the textures of the shareware episode isn't a problem, and the textures that are only in the registered version's maps can be replaced with downscaled versions of the textures from one of the retexturing projects. How about compiling them with real textures like a normal mapper would?
Unless you think Interpol is gunning for Pulsar for his remake of episode 4 If you are concerned, host them on DropBox, you can say someone hacked your private server and stole the maps you made for personal use. We'll pin it on Mugwump. Bethesda will issue a warrant for recompiling the Quake maps with the textures in them -- meanwhile Mugwump becomes famous like Carlos The Jackal. Mugwump will get international book deals like Edward Snowden --- and with the extra tens of dollars from the insane fame from being a rogue Quake mapper that dared recompile the Quake maps --- he'll use those extra tens of dollar to splurge on such things like upgrading from Windows XP to Windows Vista. Everyone wins! /And Mugwump should know I'm kidding around ;-) Ha ha, yeah thanks Baker, that's just what I need! Fuck Vista, that's shit on a stick. I'm actually waiting for the cash to buy myself an SSD so I can install the Win7 that's been sitting on my HD for a while.
http://structuresynth.sourceforge.net/
Structure Synth allows you to write rules to generate 3d geometry. It comes with a ray tracer for rendering the creations and can export into There are images created with the help of this program on Flickr. https://www.flickr.com/groups/structuresynth/pool/ If you have difficulty getting started with the very brief documentation, the 2D program that inspired it might help you along the way. It at least gives you much more in the way of examples to try out and modify. http://www.contextfreeart.org/ I don't know if it would be workable to generate Nahuel over at QuakeOne is entertaining the idea of a mod contest. If anyone's interested, make yourselves known here: http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-talk/quake-central/12411-mod-contest.html
Spambots are getting smarter here... Now they try to look like real people, like this Ravi "person" above.
Right. For a moment I forgot about the unfriendly climate around here. This little break through the clouds was good while it lasted.
"Talk about anything in here."
So, lets talk about spam, eh? (I now need a graphic that shows me sniggering like they used to in Spy vs Spy) Tried making a 44Khz shotgun replacement sound while _trying_ to stay reasonably close to the original. Pretty damn hard. This one is much more clicky though, but I kind of like that. Then again, I've been listening to it waaaaay to much today so I've gotten totally tonedeaf. Some fresh ears would be appreciated.
https://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/ae44b642a1ba81149f4b9e1dfd3c725020160927211126/6c3a0e here's a bunch of free texture resources, or you can buy the zip of ~600 images.
Using textures that high-resolution for Quake... I mean, you'd have to shave off so much detail to get them in the game I imagine. I'm sure they'd mostly just look like blobs of colour at that point :/
Those seems to be for CG movies, not for games. <a href="http://seamless-pixels.blogspot.com.br/2011_11_01_archive.html">Source.
Those look pretty nice, to be fair. Having a backing texture to work off of would, I imagine, cut down on how long it actually takes to paint something like that.
Cocerello - more to come, this time accompanied by geometry and lighting! (not for quake, I'm afraid)
Mankrip - good, glad someone found it useful. Mugwump
Please don't ruin this place by destroying the technical threads by just throwing out some random offtopic guess. 1) It doesn't help the guy asking 2) It doesn't help the thread be useful as reference 3) It really isn't respectful to the great mappers and modders that sought to make this place as a home for the mappers. I think a number of people here like you, but don't hurt the site by hurting the quality of the reference threads with random crap shoot answers. I guess you're talking about my reply from yesterday regarding particles in the Spiked QS thread. I'm well aware of my very limited knowledge but I still wanted to help if I could. I understand what you're saying though. In the future, when I have only guesses to provide instead of the answer, I'll refrain from doing that and let the big boys do the troubleshooting.
Thanks anyway for explaining things calmly instead of bashing me like some others would probably have. http://spiralgraphics.biz/packs/browse.htm
This is a collection of free seamless textures. Rick used some of them in a map of his, and his message from 2014 is the only time this collection is mentioned on the forums before (at least as far as Google knows). Maybe you'll find something you can use. Converting to Quake tex sizes and palette might be difficult, as usual. They aren't restrictive about letting you use them. http://spiralgraphics.biz/packs/usage_rights.htm 1. Do you prefer Quoth gaunt lightning or AD gaunt plasma?
2. Do you prefer AD Death Guard or Quoth Death Guard? 3. Do you prefer Rogue plasmagun, Quoth plasmagun, AD plasmagun, or Zerstorer chain lightning gun? Other answers are of course welcome. 1) AD. I feel like the lightning attack should remain the signature shambler attack. Also, Quoth Night Gaunts suck big time at aiming it.
2) Not sure. 3) AD, mostly for its look that calls back to the original Doom. Chain lightning is not really in the same league, with its tactical use being so different. Also it's a little OP. https://github.com/mxgmn/WaveFunctionCollapse
I wonder if this could be used to create quake textures... say, put in a 64x64 grass or rock texture and see if it can produce a usable one that is 128 or 256 with less obvious repetition. Filter Forge
https://www.filterforge.com/ I titted around with this a few years ago and made some pretty great stuff. Definately worth looking at if you want to use algorithms to make textures. I made a series of brick textures that all started from one of the Spiral Graphics images. You can see many of them in the Wish13_ screenshots at Quaketastic
Here's the answer.
How well does it work on higher resolution assets like grass? In short, badly. For high res inputs you want to use not this algorithm but something like texture synthesis. (copying the comment from HN): "Efros' and Leung's method doesn't satisfy the (C1) condition. The closest previous work is Paul Merrel's model synthesis. WFC and texture synthesis serve similar purposes: they produce images similar to the input image. However, the definition of what is "similar" is different in each case. If you have a high def input with noise (like realistic rocks and clouds) then you really want to to use texture synthesis methods. If you have an indexed image with few colors and you want to capture... something like the inner rules of that image and long range correlations (if you have an output of a cellular automata, for example, or a dungeon), then you want to use WFC-like methods." In Substance Designer you can create nice procedural tiled textures. Here are some old tests:
Procedural bricks Downgrade preview - Hi-res to 64x64 I'm using it currently for my Snowy WAD. Modifying original textures to be covered in a snow: Example set Same set but as a gradient Nodes: All nodes view One texture section that's rad. That snowification seems to work pretty well.
Ultimately, I'd prefer having the talent/discipline to work pixel by pixel. But I don't have that, so alternative methods like this are pretty sweet. Sorry... couldn't resist the wordplay. Me likey the snowy texies!
Did anybody here ever actually play Kingpin? It gets mixed reviews generally, but the GOG Back to School sale has it for $3.99
I was just debating whether to get it. Lot's of games at good prices there. It ends sometime Sunday. Imo it's a good game. Has good atmosphere and few interesting mechanics like followers, who You can hire and they will fight by your side. Sometimes gameplay is getting too hard, but I have good memories in overall.
So... Go get it! Haven't played it since then but I have fond memories of this game.
Messiah looked interesting too but I never was able to run it on any of my systems. Should we create a Netradiant thread
Yes please. Now that someone has decided to carry on developing that editor it would be nice to centralise the posts, and hopefully bring it to the developer's attention. One real obvious feature it could do with is support for valve 220 texturing. I created a thread for NetRadiant...mind you I'm not terribly experienced with it so others please chime in with your input over there.
... the Orl Maps from 2006.
Some good stuff and some err... not so good (some decidedly dodgy brushwork in a couple of places). Played on Normal and got thrashed, played on Easy and did a little better. But overall, a good romp with some difficult set pieces and some c-r-a-z-y textures. To be honest, I simply didn't understand the Pie Room. I managed to eat them all but still got eaten myself. I tried to get into it a few times, but always stopped right at the beginning - when you get your first gun and it feels a bit like using the pistol to fight mid-to-high-tier monsters in Doom.
In a few different ways, Valve finished what id Software started and abandoned.
1) Good level editor - Hammer after acquiring Worldcraft 2) Taking single player story telling and taking what Quake did and extending to new heights. (Half-Life for starters, 3) Taking multiplayer and extending it to new heights 4) An integrated store with user ids and built-in accounts, with options to purchase more stuff --- Steam, obv. id Software went the other direction, boiling Quake deathmatch down to a pure "bots"/multiplayer direction ---> Quake 3 Arena. id went to the simple route, Valve went the diverse route. id Software is a ghost of what it could have been, Valve maximized what it could become to the limit. I think what "killed" id was really the creative loss they suffered around Quake, to be honest. Carmack drove the company in a very technical direction from that point on, and I think the real legacy since has been the technology they produced. Q3A may have been barebones, but the id tech engine for that game went on to power a good chunk of the industry, even to this day. (Call of Duty, as far as I know, is still built on top of the codebase they started with, which was id tech)
I think what's hurt them now is the expanded requirements of gaming. Competition is rougher, and engines need to do more and do it better as well. Newer id techs just don't grab as many eyeballs as they used to, and the licensed engine business has been dominated by a few core companies, none of which are id. What was the question?
This seems like a cool article, thanks for the link. I had no idea Laidlaw had worked @id. Well, if you count infighting that cost the company Hall and Romero, it wasn't the happiest of fairy tales.
Seriously?
You can't say "small team cannot make popular game" today. Ever heard of Minecraft? Most popular game in recent history completely undermines your statement. It's not about popularity (although that helps to pay the bills). On the contrary.
It's about creating amazing ambitious innovations, with bold artistic expressions that aren't afraid of taking risks or becoming unpopular. About having a rich and strong creative vision and following it. The infighting was a collateral effect, but they still managed to create truly inspiring things no matter what. 1) The early works of id Software were not works of art. Commander Keen? Wolfenstein? Doom? Quake 3?
2) They were targeted specifically to be POPULAR. 2a) Blood and guts everywhere 2b) Berserker powerup in Doom, enemy turns into bloody pulp when hit. 2c) Evil "God mode" looking powerup 2d) Nine Inch Nails sound track and NIN on health boxes? I don't claim to know much about NIN but I think they were a popular band in the 1990s. 2e) Carmack giving away his Ferrari in a tournament? He was about being cool. 2f) Quake 3 arena announcer saying cool stuff in a super-manly voice like "Excellent"? I do not know what id Software you are talking about, but it isn't this one. /You can make part of that argument about Quake about art, if you successfully ignore all of their early works and also ignore Quake 3 Arena. Note: Being unpopular in business = no sales. Holy fuck, I just wrote a 5 paragraph reply about this and bloody Chrome thrashed it.
Anyway. Id wasn't afraid of pissing people off. They didn't want to be "popular" as in pleasing everyone. Their games weren't bland watered down crap with hands-holding gameplay. They didn't play safe when developing their games. Their primary goal wasn't about being popular. It was about giving excitement to people, no matter how controversial their means could be. It was about building a loyal audience with people who liked the kinds of things they were creating. This is not the same thing as trying to please everyone. ...people who liked the kinds of things they were creating...
Yup, that's what being popular means. "It was about building a loyal audience with people who liked the kinds of things they were creating. This is not the same thing as trying to please everyone."
Spot on. Not everyone around were gore / thrash metal / NIN fans back then nor are they today. They were definitely making games for like minded tastes. The games themselves were good which got them success despite their vibe. They could of also gone a more clean star trek / star wars / marathon vibe but no their thing was thrash metal horror movie culture stuff, with lovecraftian stuff and dark industrial sounds later on with Quake. After that point though they lost the aspect of creating a consistent vibe within their own "pop culture", surely due to the team breaking apart or the teams evolution of taste going separate ways. Doom 4 is in those vibes now by design to punt on the nostalgic aspect. The teams are way too large now to have this kind of thing organically appear. Luckily a pretty decent effort was made of it, they sure hired the right music guy, they seems to also have hired the right art guys etc etc. And we should not forget to thank Sergeant Mark IV for Brutal Doom, without its demonstration of the popularity potential of ultraviolence in this context I don't think Doom4 would of been what it is. For all those who weren't completely a fan of the Quakeguy jump sound and his noisy landing. These are the "huhmp!" and "ooph!" sounds redone using the footsteps used in AD as a base:
Jump: jump.wav Jumpland: jumpland.wav <engages shield> <braces for flak> Talk above on id's history reminded me of some of the things Carmack said in his BAFTA speech this year.
"I can remember when I was a teenager, and I was convinced that I'd missed the golden age of Apple II gaming, that I would never get to be Richard Garriott," [Carmack] told the audience. "The opportunities I had aren't there for people today, but there are new and better ones. And, personally, I'm more excited about these than any that have come before." Source http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-04-12-thank-you-for-this-honour-but-im-just-getting-started video
General overview of the history of id while he was there, with a few Quake bits at the end + he answers a few Q&A questions about Quake. http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/40/1475744709-night-sentinel-ranger.png
I saw it too fitting since I always saw Q1's human bases as a mix between raypunk and dieselpunk, adding a mix of medieval into it just fits. I'm much more annoyed by the hard landing sound. It sounds like your bones crack a little every time. By far the most cringe-inducing sound in the entire game, and the best reminder that the Quakeguy must be in constant pain from all the injuries he sustained.
In Doom too. Come to think of it its really missing from Doom 4.
No pain sounds, no grimacing bloody portrait etc. Weird, did they have a reason for this ? I guess everyone needs to be a superhero like character or something. and the best reminder that the Quakeguy must be in constant pain from all the injuries he sustained
But that's what keeps him going. The indescribable, infinite pain, that continuously infuses every aspect of his body and mind. I've realized I was in a bad mood due to lack of sleep and other personal stuff. Disregard my previous comments.
Strogg Empire is an mod in development for Quake 2. Currently, aims to make Quake 2 MP more attractive to modern audience (mostly grown on the Quake 3), adding a "hit-sound" for feedback, 125 HP on respawn, a quick weapons switch, announcer and other enhancements. In addition, there is a plan to add bots and small SP campaign in celebration of the 20th Anniversary of Quake 2. In the end, it's planned to make it's own client for the mod to make possible "Project Relight" (HD lightmaps with normal mapping and specular attenuation for the whole game) which will be included with this mod at. Stay tuned!
Link: http://www.moddb.com/mods/strogg-empire Strogg Empire is an mod in development for Quake 2. Currently, aims to make Quake 2 MP more attractive to modern audience (mostly grown on the Quake 3), adding a "hit-sound" for feedback, 125 HP on respawn, a quick weapons switch and other enhancements. In addition, there is a plan to add bots and small SP campaign in celebration of the 20th Anniversary of Quake 2. In the end, it's planned to make it's own client for the mod and base game to make possible "Project Relight" (HD lightmaps with normal mapping and specular attenuation for the whole game) which could be included with this mod. Stay tuned!
Link: http://www.moddb.com/mods/strogg-empire I wonder if most multi-player mods that go for non-realism sort-of end up being a carbon copy of quake 3 inherently. I mean, that game had a shit tonne of polish and logevity.
The draw to do "what x game did" is pretty strong. I've been thinking of how I would implement a mp mod based on the noir mapjam theme and all I can think of is a TF / overwatch like game. Kinda sad. When it comes to design archetypes that work, it's really pretty limited on the macro scale. Even moreso in multiplayer, where it needs to be fun for all players rather than 1 player.
If I were to make a noir multiplayer mod, it'd be VIP, which is a rarely-done mode. One team has a player they need to protect, like a crime boss or dame or something, and the other team has to try and fight their way to them and take them down. I think that could be pretty fun, I don't know about a good fit for Quake though... Heh, seems like that message was posted twice. :P Only God knows why it wasn't posted to news section, seems I'm too new to this board and don't understand a lot.
The mod started from trying to convince my old friend to play some Quake 2 after a few matches of Warsow. It ended not too fun for him, mainly because "the game feels really old, the Times of Quake 2 in the past, I guess". So just from curiosity, I've grabbed source of OpenFFA and made some changes to make it more friendly to someone who grown on Quake 3, without touching main aspects too much. Then I just found myself lost in having fun with sources of Quake 2. So I thought that it would be great companion mod for another project I'm working on - Project Relight For Q2 (Rebuild of lighting in base game and missionpacks with custom made from scratch lightmap compiler, TBA). Currently from plans for MP part: * Better feedback with player, which includes "hit-sounds" and announcer (both messages and sounds * 125 initial HP to prevent rail spam on respawn points * Fast weapon switch to make overall feeling of faster game flow * Integration of other game modes, like TDM, CA, DUEL, CTF, FT in one place * Integration of 3zb2 bots 125 initial HP to prevent rail spam on respawn points
is one of map design, not game mechanics. First pre-alpha build:
* Better feedback with player, which includes "hit-sounds" and announcer (some messages, alpha version) * 125 initial HP to prevent rail spam on respawn points * Fast weapon switch to make overall feeling of faster game flow That's useful. That's also not really enough content for a news item, News being usually for full and final maps / episodes / mods / engines / mapping tools etc. You might find the Screenshots And Betas thread useful though.
Thanks, betas would useful for sure! I might post from time to time there about mod and my lighting tool.
Dunno if it was done before, but I just whacked together a QS-compatible version of EpiQuake for myself, and thought that maybe someone will find it useful.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9DxOfPvG2G1ajIxRFN5X3NoeEk EpiQuake is: http://www.moddb.com/mods/epiquake Simply decrease the railgun's damage from 120 to 80, like QL did, as well as reducing its hitbox, so that it's still a heavy hitter rewarding on precision without being OP.
Yeah, first time I saw it in CPMA. Warsow even made it 75, but reload time was reduced around 0.25 seconds, I haven't looked at code, but it feels like 1.25s instead of 1.5s. 100 points of damage is some kind of sign of Quake 2, it's just annoying when someone just abusing spawn points, it may be alright in FFA, but highly unfair in DUEL. You still can do classic RG -> SG/SSG/MG combo to finish your opponent, but that requires little bit more reflex to do it right, read skill.
Shambler: looks amazing as ever.
Muwump: Believe me, the colour palette is very, very restrained for the miniature in question. You should see what rainbow-vomit colours people were painting Tzeentch warriors in the 90s. I had to look up Tzeentch. Yeah, I'm not very familiar with the Warhammer universe but from what I've seen along the years, it seems pretty colorful in general.
The sword is supposed to be some magical warpstone-infused chaos crystal shit, so that's why it's green.
Yeah Tzeentch is pretty colourful, that's why I like painting 'em.... but i can't see it colorful at all like others, more like the opposite, even the blue in the armour is quite greyish.
What i don't like is the miniature itself being used for Tzeentch, i can't even see it for more than Khorne or Chaos Undivided. Maybe could work for Nurgle with a bit of green/turquoise over what you did, but not for the other two gods. But you did a good work on using the paint to make it at least resemble Tzeentch so congrats for that. It is, by default, a Khorne miniature: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Slaughterpriest-with-Hackblade-and-Wrath-hammer - I just chose to paint it Tzeentch to demonstrate some techniques to a friend of mine who really likes Tzeentch colours.
I haven't been very far in Oblivion yet. It's been a while since I haven't touched it (been playing Quake exclusively since the first trailer for Doom 2016 came out) but I'll get back into it someday full time. I made a cool female dark elf with almost pitch black skin and a white mohawk, she looks badass! Haven't seen that kind of weapon yet.
Dat feel when no PC.
My main laptop's PSU died and I can't wait to test the latest code changes. Damn anxiety. And I'm not sure if a repair shop will be enough to fix the PSU, or if I'll have to buy a new one. The disk is fine, I guess. What happens is that the laptop isn't pulling power from the PSU, and I only noticed any problems when the battery was already depleted. Given my luck, I won't find anyone who can fix it in this city.
Hopefully you'll be able to get back up and running soon. It's never fun when a computer dies on you :/
How old is the laptop? I'm guessing it's outside its warranty... It's a second-hand Dell N5110, with a Core i5 CPU. No warranty.
For now, I'm using an older Core 2 Duo PC to test my code changes. Its performance in 1280*960 is similar to the i5 in full HD. Posted by NumberSix [108.39.189.136] on 2016/10/15 00:56:41
Hello func_msgboard members! I just did a full synopsis here: http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-talk/quake-central/29-introduce-yourself-thread-22.html#post168801 I have decided to kick my development up a couple notches with: https://www.patreon.com/six_gaming To that end I am investing more time on forums and such. The Main project: "Anode X" an open world puzzle / adventure game I have a lot of quake experience over the last 20 years, so I will frequently respond in that area. If you have quake-c questions, I often answer them, and these are the best places to post: http://www.moddb.com/groups/qc/forum/board/hard-code https://sourceforge.net/p/quake-c/mailman/quake-c-users/ (you have to sign up for both) Game on everyone! Howdy. Just an update on the experiment I was doing with quinstance tool. After putting together a large greybox of what should be just a section of a water station level, I got sick of it. What to do? After jam6 and a deathmatch level I'm growing a graveyard of unfinished stuff again. Lots of ideas, not enough life.
To paraphrase Willem: For the record, I agree that people aren't your friends. They aren't even to be trusted, really.
I think that would have to be more specific... Like, "Do you mind me using your custom models in my mod?" vs. "Do you mind me using your QC in my mod?" Etc.
Also it'd probably be better to ask authors directly rather than so vaguely... for the injector it would be very nice to know if a map was completed, how long it was played, etc. As a player this would be VERY useful (so I can remember if I still need to hunt for secrets, or if I completed a map).
- Could you image writing a file like id1/stats/e1m1.info that saves this content? - Would it be possible to have it standardized between engines? Ideally it would be really simple and maybe extendable. I'm thinking json/yaml with a few mandatory fields/formats. Or just key=value? sounds like a cool idea, would definitely benefit from standardization.
Also need to make sure mods/replacements/new versions are treated properly. For example, id1/e1m1.info should not apply to mymod/e1m1.bsp Also, if you get a new version of the map with the same filename (people often release bug-fixed versions), should it wipe the stats? Megaman can code. Should just get his hands dirty and make one that does it.
Someone that can code in Java would be able to code in C, after some initial difficulty. If you decide to do this, hook into PF_changelevel in pr_cmds.c and you can easily capture end of map data like cl.stats[STAT_SECRETS] and cl.stats[STAT_TOTALSECRETS] and the time and such. reading client state from the server's code? tut tut... some people have no respect for dedicated servers and latency!
but yeah, something like that would be nice. biggest issue is that the quake injector isn't JUST maps. Admittedly I don't know what the code would look like in a Quakeworld engine (the FTE perspective), but in a regular Quake engine that is handled like this
// If client state is connected, then isn't dedicated server // sv.name is the map name if (svs.maxclients == 1 && cls.state == ca_connected) { FILE *f = fopen (va ("%s/%s.info", com_gamedir, sv.name), "rb")); // write stats // } Occasionally in the Quake forums, I stumble upon the HOM acronym. What does it mean? I've tried googling it but "hand over mouth" or "hit or miss" don't exactly fit the context...
It stands for "Hitler Over Mussolini" - which means...when you have the option of two terrible choices, take the worst one because fuck it, when you're that screwed you may as well just roll with the madness.
Dusk
Posted by [212.21.66.6] on 2016/10/21 02:56:30 Have you hear of the game Dusk I'm a c++ coder, but engine code would require hours of investigating for me to do it properly :/
Should I propose a standard, with all your good comments in mind? Is it easy to hash something? Would solve the problem with different versions. I'd pretty much tell you exactly how to do anything you needed, and I don't speak for anyone else but there are 6-7 others here that seem to be willing to help with engine coding stuff too. Didn't metlslime seem intrigued too?
But if you aren't empowered yourself to fiddle with it yourself, a stats project is all about the fine tuning. Really if you are going to do something like that, you've gotta be doing it yourself if you actually want to get done. https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/59jhwg/a_snapmap_made_entirely_out_of_geomatry_by_request/
So snapmap is slowly becoming a little bit more usefull (its way off still, I know, but)...anyone of the talented folk here had the desire to dig in yet ? I was reading the recent discussion about the next map jam in the screenshots thread and since people have been so kindly asked to "shut the fuck up", I'm giving my input here instead:
1) How about an Explore Jam 2, with a little more content than 2 short maps this time? But... 2) I agree with Shamblernaut that it shouldn't happen right away. Let people have the time to work on their personal projects in-between jams. I think one every 4 or 6 months is a good ratio. Friendly reminder that if a map jam theme and dates are decided please send me all info and media so I can make a video promotion for you, thx!
I do.
Qmaster's Collection" +0GRATECONVTEK, in quake_part3.wad. Can't remember where I found it ir maybe I made it myself. Tips: Conveyor animated texture is choppy but you might try: "High FPS Texture Animations (Preach)" An alternative is to use custents which has a conveyor of sorts using multiple trains linked but they have the problem of z-fighting eachother due to ltime discrepancies causing them to get out of sequence and overlap. The best method is to use my qrobot.qc package with its func_robot_controller to sync multiple "robots"....BUT OH WAIT, I didn't ever release it, and I never did test the conveyor belt idea I had planned...I was waiting to finish that map I've been working on forever that uses them in a clever way. Four Player in FitzQuake Mark V - YouTube Video
Should be standard engine feature in a few weeks. It's very prototype at the moment. /Fifth is largely to blame. It strikes me that if you're going to add four "sessions" in a single engine, it would be the prime time to add multi-threading to the engine.
Because at the moment (at least in QS) most of the processing in the engine happens within a single rendering loop.
Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but if all the "clients" are being processed under the one thread and one slows down, it will effect the others. Whereas if each "client" has its own thread it shouldn't be affected by the performance of the others. And the frame rate on that video is atrocious =P opengl doesn't really support threading. as such, drawing each seat in a different thread isn't practical, and threading the rest of the engine would be a nightmare too.
its been around a while, but it also has far too much state to track+sync.
d3d11 has limited multithreading, in that you can at least queue calls from another thread, but vulkan/d3d12 are what you need for proper threading support (multiple device queues mean that even the gpu can safely 'thread' the rendering). Whereas older apis would need too many locks. regarding the rest of the engine, multithreading and globals are basically mutually incompatible... and quake just LOVES its globals... A couple of engines have moved audio mixing off into another thread. FTE has moved various resource loading into worker threads too. Doing such things requires fixing all sorts of things, like console prints, cvar accesses, anything that might interact with simultaneous console commands, etc. Its not fun, which is why I've not tried to properly thread fte's vulkan renderer even though it'd probably be a nice speedup. I've been making a mod and am about done with features and coding. Need to document it all. What's the best kind of readme?
Some mods use html with pictures, others use simple txt, some both. http://imgur.com/a/PoerM
A glimpse into where "Muk" came from aside from Pokemon. :) Qmaster: Id say whatever you feel is going to lead to a further understanding of the material. Id bet some things would be fine with simple text explanations, whereas some things might need a screenshot or two to get the idea. that being, said Im unaware to the extent of your mod. bit basic, but i didnt wanna ignore ya. If you are willing to put in the time to learn it, Pandoc is a great option. You can write your documentation in Markdown, which is a simple markup language with example and documentation all over the web. It can convert Markdown documents to
http://pandoc.org/ Note that one of the demos on the site allows you to try Pandoc online. Installing and setting up the LaTeX backend so you can create PDFs is a bit of a pain on Windows. You don't need to do it if you don't need that particular output format, though. Additional comment on the pictures. If you add pictures to the documentation, it allows people to learn what the various features are while playing the mod. For example, you only learn what the names of monsters are if they kill you in stock Quake at least, and other interactive objects rarely tell you their names either. And they can look stuff up they've seen in game much more easily.
Most mappers would probably just open their editors or the source files and look at them when they want to learn what the various mod features from the docs look like. That means the pictures aren't that important, but they are a nice addition. So +1 for pandoc. asciidoctor is also very good and adhoc has a more expressive syntax than markdown.
Working on my map, starting to lay down basic textures and minor brush details and I have to say what a difference it makes. Although I could visualize what I plan to make from the grey boxing, it really helped me appreciate what I am trying to create after seeing it in partially complete form.
I know there has been older threads on this but general abuse...meh. For people currently working on maps, do you grey box entirely first? Texture as you go? Light as you go...or even fully detail as you go? I go room by room. I wouldn't call my results necessarily full detail/lighting when I finish an area, as I do sometimes go back and make revisions, but I have found in the past that greyboxing too far ahead can be very painful when things need to change to work hoe you really want.
Much better to run into issues in small sections than with sn entire map when one little hallway is too short/long to fit a texture properly. Detail as I go, stream of consciousness mapping. I plan out a rough idea for the map in my head or even a napkin sketch but then just let creativity take over and have fun with it as I go. My maps aren't typically that coherent as a result but each area is typically well contained and, I hope, fun. Keep it fun. Go map.
check out these threads for discussion of mapping technique: (feel free to add to them too)
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61057 http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=60554 I rarely have the slightest idea of what I'll end up with at first. I often start with placing both the beginning and ending at once. The next thing is to fill in the middle part.
I sometimes have the exit/ending visible from the start position. If not, then at least have the first goal in sight. Getting to it being the trick. Always I have built solid and error free from the beginning, none of this plugging the leaks later nonsense. Texture and lighting as it goes, but often just a guess at first, knowing it will get tweaked and adjusted as the map progresses. Rooms, areas, and brushes will get rearranged and changed many times. I struggle with going back and removing or rearranging what I have, feels like taking a nice painting and scribbling crayon all overit, just seems wrong though it probably ends up making the map better in the long haul.
Remember: the GEP gun takedown is the most silent takedown.
deus ex theme plays in the distance (the good one) Thanks metlslime, I will have a look at those threads. I knew there were some floating around.
I am starting to think "going as you go" may be the best approach because now that I have fully invested on doing that (Even though I have large greybox to currently work with) I find I can appreciate my map as I see it truly being from concept to releasable material. If this conversation continues on, I'll try to sway it towards one of the existing threads. Thanks metlslime, I will have a look at those threads. I knew there were some floating around.
I am starting to think "going as you go" may be the best approach because now that I have fully invested on doing that (Even though I have large greybox to currently work with) I find I can appreciate my map as I see it truly being from concept to releasable material. If this conversation continues on, I'll try to sway it towards one of the existing threads. Thanks metlslime, I will have a look at those threads. I knew there were some floating around.
I am starting to think "going as you go" may be the best approach because now that I have fully invested on doing that (Even though I have large greybox to currently work with) I find I can appreciate my map as I see it truly being from concept to releasable material. If this conversation continues on, I'll try to sway it towards one of the existing threads. Thanks metlslime, I will have a look at those threads. I knew there were some floating around.
I am starting to think "going as you go" may be the best approach because now that I have fully invested on doing that (Even though I have large greybox to currently work with) I find I can appreciate my map as I see it truly being from concept to releasable material. If this conversation continues on, I'll try to sway it towards one of the existing threads. In case some of you have no idea what I meant, it was a reference to something Quackshot (I mean Trump) has said.
for your bottomless political insight that everyone on this message board about Quake needed to read.
This election was the psychic and legislative instatiation of an ongoing assault on the imagination of a shared (inter)national fabric - of discourse *and* of bodies.
Does any of the 28K+ posts in this thread explain who's abusing the general?
You got it wrong! Abuse is the name of the general, like Doctor Strangelove: General Abuse. Was a pretty fun 2D sidescroller back in the day. Dang mutants scared the crap outta me back when I was like 10. That napalm gun though, hooboy!
Never played it but I just googled it and I do remember the cover artwork. Never was a big fan of this type of games, except for Contra (very fun in coop) and Shinobi (because ninja).
Someone recently asked about QME sans the installer. Here it is: qME31full.zip
Mod packaging question. Which is better, to use pak files or have everything loose in folders?
The list of comments on the Quaddicted page for Arcane Dimensions became taller than the list of files in the mod only about a month ago.
Just a neutral observation. ...which reminds me I still have to play AD_skanky a.k.a. Froggy Frogbosom :p and complete my reviews, preferably before 1.5 comes out, thus adding yet another comment. Been sidetracked. Hmffff... playing Quake is a lot of work!
theres no particularly difference between pak and whatever loose , if your mod contains a lot of sounds, mdls and all that shite(sorry) , just stick with pak
I'm sure sock has been hard at work to ensure AD 1.5's filecount will outpace the comments, at least for the next few months.
.Pak was only useful to id as very minor form of copyright protection. It serves no purpose whatsoever in Quake mods in 2016. All it does is make patching your mod more bothersome, and annoys end users who might modify your mod on their own harddrive.
Put all your stuff in a yup, shove it all in a zip, rename it to pk3, and then call it done. the user doesn't even have to decompress anything! assuming the engine supports it.
pk3s or paks are handy with engines that can download them - especially if you want you but hey, screw coop+deathmatch and/or decent engines and just fill up their harddrive with a thousand more files with which to bog down windows' shitty filesystem even more. that said, Hilarity always ensues when files inside different packages conflict, so lets just put another z infront of the filename, that'll fix it! On the other hand, loose files are easier to diagnose, and easier to corrupt too. whatever you do has downsides, so just do whatever the hell you personally prefer for other modders to do, and hopefully the people who like you mod will hope your other preferences too. I personally favour packages over loose, but then I can get away with pk3s for the junk that I package, and you probably can't. Pretty much the same-titled discussion my arse has the morning after the previous night's curry.
A bit crazy to have 2 threads open about basically same thing.
Whenever it is convenient, could someone close the oldMark V thread at http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=60831 A bit crazy have 2 new posts in 2 different threads. A brand new, Wind Tunnels themed, retro jam map pack release! But what even is a retro jam?
(...) the original Quake maps still look great in 2016, and the vague idea behind retro jams is to recreate their simplistic beauty. Featuring maps by Breezeep, Bloughsburgh, ItEndsWithTens, NewHouse, QMaster, Shamblernaut, and a mysterious special guest star!!! Screenshot gallery Download (5.96 MB) Qmaster's Projects:
====================== Standalone Releases: ---------------------- QMA1. Tech/Base Style Level. Very large interconnected and exploratory underground cave base/factory. My largest level yet and only halfway to where I want it. Off an on project for the past 4-5 years. Motivation comes and goes in spurts of tech goodness. QMA2. Random mishmash of styles. Getting to the point that the indivual sections (which were originally the starts of other maps whose theme and small areas I didn't have motivation to expand on) aren't very good by todays standards, set by AD of course. As such I'm less and less interested in working on this icky mess of a map. Suggestions? Mods: ------ QMA3. Keep. Old knave mod that's technically finished though it never ended up what I wanted it to be. Not sure if I should release it since the underlying mod is technically still WIP. Not sure if I should renane the mappack and keep Keep as the mod name either. Suggestions? QMA4. The Quake 2 Project That is Yet To Be Named. This is my long planned game to create a sequel for Quake, something which no one has made yet. It saddens me that there has never been a sequel to Quake. AD however is a sequel in its own right and gave me the idea to instead of developing this massive project from scratch later on in life in another engine after to instead start creating this with AD as a base. The stylized look is imo much better than any more realistic games and lends itself to more interesting art. QMA2. Suggestions? Have you tried Ubiquitous' first release, Infernal Ascent? That's a prime example of mixed-style done right. It could serve as inspiration. Also, you could consider a collaboration with another mapper.
Hey guys, I have this guy at Quaddicted asking about installing Quake on the antique system mentioned in the title. Is there a modern engine that can support that or is he stuck with old GLQuake?
Here's the thread if you want to reply to him directly: http://www.quaddicted.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1994 Fitzquake theoretically could do it but there's a good chance that I broke something since I never had such a system to test on.
" aren't very good by todays standards, set by AD of course."
Nah mate. AD is great, but you can still make very good maps that don't reach that standard. aren't very good by todays standards
Forget about what is considered an standard by the community, just map what you want. Not going by what you like the most is the second reason for map stalling (first is going for too grandiose ideas). @-mugw I would reply if the link made any sense to your comment.
As it doesn't I can only say I have a win98 computer with a vodoo2 on which I can play Quake1. I had to install the very weird GL-Open filter that immediatly started complaining about its insecurity for the net. As I have computers that are stand alone and not connekted to the net I can safely play. There's only one thing that bothered me the most and that is that the quality of the screen tends to the nasty yellow Q2 gamma, which I don't like at all. It may be vodoo2, but there's nothing that makes it feel better like Tombraider or Unreal. I think the reason is, that Quake hasn't the same catch for the colourfilters, so anyway, if I had to choose it would still be Fitzquake above Vodoo2 on win98. The issue discussed starts at post #9 in the thread I've linked. Previous posts are unrelated. I probably should've mentioned that, sorry.
But really, it's as if we were constantly portraying Americans with a Bible in one hand, a Colt in the other and shouting "yeehaa!" to some country music. I can assure you it gets old pretty fast...
Stereotypes have a tendency to stick around while the culture has moved on. For instance, you don't hear much accordion in french culture anymore.
I just added steam to steam as a non-steam game so I could play steam while playing steam.
I just had a good chuckle over my early internet days.
I thought Methodus Toolz was sooooo legit. I also remember thinking I was hot shit for being able to play sounds in AOL Chatrooms. I'd always play this one called "tongue". I cant remember what it played though :( (Using JACK) For some reason I almost always clip the ends of brushes to make them angular even though vertex mode takes one less motion.
I probably do it in the same amount of time either way. You know, I tend to dislike vertex mode. Maybe that's why I struggle to grasp Trenchbroom. I pretty much clip and stretch everything and duplicate brushes like crazy...I mean I so rarely add a new brush from scratch. Perhaps I just need to look up how to duplicate a brush while dragging it in TB. Just thinking. TB has clip, in case you didn't know. Press C and draw a line with 2-3 points.
And I'm pretty sure it's ctrl+right click on a selected brush to duplicate+drag. Vertex mode is alright, but I also find myself preferring clip when I'm angling brushes. At least for simple operations, that is. When I'm "trisouping" or whatever it's called I use vertex mode, even if all the little points can be a bit hard to make out from one another... Eeek! even if all the little points can be a bit hard to make out from one another...
Yeah, TB would greatly benefit from an option to hide non-visible vertices. Feel like making it a feature request? both ctrl + left and ctrl + right duplicate a brush, just tried it out.
The strength in TBs clipping is using 3 points. "Toggle Unselected Vertices" has been something Ive wanted to suggest as well.
I wanted to include "Toggle Tint on Selected Brushes/Faces" at the same time cause theyd be used in conjuction with one another. Youd wanna turn off the tint AND unselected vertices for the most benefit whole moving vertices. "Toggle Tint on Selected Brushes/Faces" would be really good for working with textures, as well. When the toggle is turn off, the brush(es), when the mouse either hovers or moves off the selected brushes, would be given the Red Edges as seen in "Show Edges". Sleep seems a bit backed up at the moment so I've left it on the back burner. Lots of other important stuff to sort out first. Realized how poorly that was worded:
When the toggle is turn off, the selected brush(es) would be given the Red Edges as seen in "Show Edges", when the mouse either hovers over or moves the cursor off the selected brushes. Here's what I would normally be looking at, rather than that image, since TB will hide edge verts if you select a corner and vice-versa. Not as bad, but still not great.
Hiding any more verts is problematic, unfortunately. Perhaps an option to cull/occlude ones that belong to brushes that are obscured from view, but that seems like a lot of work/processing to get that improvement. And it would have to be an optional toggle, for that one guy who really wants to drag a vert on the opposite side to where his camera is for some damned reason... And it would have to be an optional toggle
Of course, that's what I meant by "option". We should be able to switch it on/off at will. Worldcraft would let you move verts around anyway you wanted. You could make an invalid brush, and if you did it was your fault. I found it pretty easy to use.
Radiant does some kind of constant checking to prevent invalid brushes, which tends to make vertex editing a pain. Sometimes to get from a to c, you have to go thru b, and if b isn't a valid brush Radiant auto-corrects. I finally had to switch to mostly clipping for odd shaped brushes. I'm trying to think of what shape you'd be trying to build if you had to temporarily make an invalid brush to do it. I'd love to read/see an example.
You have a shape with 12 verts. You manually move each vert, one by one. Maybe when you move one, you need to move 3 more for it to be a valid vert. It's not like you need to compile the map every time you move one.
It's like pants. You are supposed to either have pants on or off. Yet to do either, you have to put your pants on 1 leg at a time to reach that state. If you were disallowed from ever having your pants in an invalid state, how would you get them on or off? It's like pants. You are supposed to either have pants on or off.
Yet to do either, you have to put your pants on 1 leg at a time to reach that state. If you were disallowed from ever having your pants in an invalid state, how would you get them on or off? http://i.imgur.com/inVz20S.gifv I use Vertex mode for making angled rafters and such. I just find it quicker to do with the same effect. I never really used the 3-point clip tool (I use 2 point a ton however) and I feel like I am missing out on it. I did however discover the power of TB2's brush tool and it's incredible.
Anyone have an example of what they created with the 3-point clip tool? Also, I suppose we can move this to the TB thread if this keeps active. Anytime you move one of the vertexes off the plane of a brush face (defined by 4 or more) the brush becomes invalid and when the editor "fixes" it automatically it's rarely what you actually want.
Looking down on a box (or truncated pyramid) and changing the slope of the sides by moving one vertex at a time is an example. in JACK using the split face and triangulate options fixes most of those irregularities and allows you to have more "complex" geometry.
I've been able to get some nice rock faces using these methods. Seems like it would be more of a pain to setup than the Omni because you have to have something dangle from the ceiling.
https://www.youtube.com/user/VirtuixOmni/videos Not to mention that it looks super likely that you'll trip up and fall over, trashing it within a few minutes of using it.
Big up Gotshun and all the RetroJam5 entrants for injecting some fresh new / old Quake into the system recently. I've really enjoyed the simplicity of semi-vanilla Quake without having to dick around with multiple mods, specific engines, shit pixellated
Keep it going guys. This might be born from my ignorance of QuakeC and coding in genral but, I had an idea. Mind you, I've never done any coding or programming, unless you count batch scripts(which no one does).
Demos stop recording upon death. Thatll likely always be the case. BUT, is it possible to allow the "record" cvar to accept some sort of variable to make sequential demo files? for example - "record %mapname%" whenever you use that bind or command it saves it as the mapname+the next number in sequence. (ie ad_necrokeep01, ad_necrokeep02...) The idea is for something to combine with ones "Load Quicksave" bind to allow for single button save loading and recording of a demo. again,Ive no experience in coding, so this idea might be a little ignorant. hell something on this order might already be possible? my first guess.., Demo_tools
It's not specific, but I remember there being a smart demo editor, can't come up with a name. Bloughsburgh linked me http://web.comhem.se/bjp/convdem.zip on twitter. Might be what youre thinking of.
Most of those just combine demos into one file. Theyd be useful after using my idea, tho. if you're serious about it, I have this small compiling program, release 2003.
dem2mpg is a converter that reads quake demo's and turns them into mpg. Delte the last Mark V has an autodemo feature that automatically records demos with a sequential number. I think they're limited to 3 though, and the 4th recording overwrites the 1st one.
The goal here is to have a single key bind that does two things:
Loads a quick save starts recording a demo the demo filename would be based on the Once the user finishes the map, THEN they would use any of the other various demo tools available to combine them. triple post, sorry.
the single key bind idea wont be feasible, im guessing. at the very least, itd be nice to bind record and it create filenames based on the mapname/.bsp name and appends a number(or date or time or anything) if theres multiples. Depending on what you are record, you better make sure the demo tools actually can work on it first.
Demo tools were designed for protocol 15 (original Quake). JoeQuake uses protocol 15, and most engines you can set protocol 15 (like type sv_protocol 15) in the console. But many modern maps cannot be played in protocol 15 because they are limit busters, or use entity Try the demo tools out and make sure they work before you do anything. I don't know that they will.
They may very well not work. Or you may be pleasantly surprised, but they were made in 1997 era for standard Quake. Even if they worked, I wouldnt have a clue where to start tackling that issue. Time to learn QuakeC? errrr?
The people at Speed Demos Archive know things about demo tools. You might Google for their site and try to contact someone there.
Post 582 in the Mark V thread has the download for that test map.
Just make use a texture starting with "mirror_" like "mirror_1" or "mirror_glass" and put it on a wall. Mirrors heavily depend on vis and there is a list of "do" and "don't" especially for func_illusionary mirrors, but in a simple area and on worldmodel it is very easy. So do everything need to be under some draw distance limitations + it must twice the amount of draws?
Yes, not a good idea to put a mirror in a wide open area with complex brush work and 200 monsters ;-)
If you execute the following commands in the Quake console, you can create chained commands for a single keypress. You can create these kinds of commands automatically with a simple script and put them in a configuration file you load when you start your Quake engine.
bind p cmd1 alias cmd1 "echo cmd1; bind p cmd2" alias cmd2 "echo cmd2; bind p cmd3" alias cmd3 "echo cmd3; bind p outof" alias outof "echo out of commands" Unless I've made a typo above, this will cause the p key to be bound to an action that will print cmd1, cmd2 and cmd3 to the console consecutively and from then on print "out of commands." If you replace the echo commands with record commands using unique demo names, you can use a single key to start recording a new demo after each death. You can create as many of these commands as you think you'll need in one Quake session. You have to pick the names of the demos in advance, so they'll need to be something like mydemo1, mydemo2 and so on. This isn't a complete solution to the problem of recording multiple demos and naming them accurately. However, it doesn't require any external tools. Any suggestions or corrections are greatly appreciated. I just thought of this idea today. Did you happen to save the Madfox Band gifs linked here?
Works pretty well, gave me bad ideas though, like piping the output to quake so I can browse in the console.
I think I'll stick with my current projects. Every so often I decide to have a poke around the quake arcade tournament stuff to see what I can do with it.
I decided to see if any of the qcc decompilers could work. I was able to decompile a small chunk before the decompiler shat itself. If any of you want to dig through the qc files, here they are. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108695968/qat_source.zip I included the PROGSQTV.DAT in the zip so you don't have to find the CHD file and bugger about with extracting it, just in case you want to decompile or play with it yourself. Interestingly it looks like they borrowed heavily from the clan ring mod (http://www.crmod.com/). I'd love if the quake executable itself could be decompiled, but I'm not sure how possible that is without a sentinel security dongle thingy. I had a try installing all content to another computer. When decompliling it looked it had a windows version of its own included.
When started this version my computer was able to download the models (with baseskin frame included) maps and textures. When I tried to start the arcade version my computer freezed and I had to make a new win install. It seems as you could actually win money with it! i want my xmass crate!
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Works pretty well, gave me bad ideas though, like piping the output to quake so I can browse in the console QuakeOS :) All terminals paned vertically in the (transparent?) console, notifications in the sbar and graphical apps in the game... with demos in the background if not playing. Kindly redirecting misguided guy about QuakeC stuff in wrong thread to instead post into correct thread and providing link.
Yeah, I know the rules by now. If I can help other newbies avoid making my early mistakes, all the better.
Okay so I just did my first test map for rotating objects using the AD
Not a knock on AD as it's fantastic Mod made with existing tools and played in existing engines. But why haven't the main compilers and engines incorporated rotation with collision into their source? I guess I mostly mean Quakespasm and Eric's tools. I know about DP already but hmap2 is not widely used so not a consideration really. I googled and saw several examples were it was incorporated, is more elegant and is much simpler to set up mapping wise. But those projects perished. Jus' curious... I think most of that stuff is handled by quakec rather than the engine itself.
Also the compilers want to be as "feature agnostic" as possible. They want to be able to compile whatever is put in front of them while only worrying about the base geometry. Additional features are still passed through to the end bsp, but will be handled by the engine / progs. I think the idea is largely for backward compatibility and to ensure that mappers design vanilla maps to be playable in dos or winquake. For example, if I make a map for quakespasm-spiked with rain and snow, etc. It should still be able to be run in winquake or dosquake (probably with some console warnings). Big ol' caveat here: I'm a layman and have nowhere near the knowledge of others here, who I encourage to correct me if I'm wrong :) Brush rotation with correct collision would be an engine thing.
Compilers wouldn't need to do anything - it's just another brush model to light. Backwards-compatibility with vanilla engines seem to be less and less important these days because it seems almost every major release breaks vanilla limits in some way. The key problem would be ensuring support and identical behaviour across a number of recent engines (DP, QS, MarkV etc.). I'm sure this has come up numerous times. And after I posted I found in this very thread where it was discussed in 2014.
gb said he submitted the changes needed for Quakespasm, if they wanted to implement it, and he also posted a link on quaketastic that has everything. I loaded it up in DP's "Oct 12 2016" build and everything "worked". Not flawlessly though. To be expected of course. Anyway, I just thought that with the advancement of engines, tools and mapping that this would be another cool little feature to have. Sans the clumsy hip-rotate method. E3M3 -- the freaking map itself --- has angles. It's true.
So does a distrans sp release? dis_sp3? Supposedly messes with the spikey ball in the Quake END map (the Shub). Messes with something in Nehahra somewhere. So if someone cares about compatibility, it must be done right. Rotation has consequences. Awesome list of compat issues, Baker.
Link to a previous discussion: here This is the code I set up for QS (never merged in) link..really just applied your tutorial. I'm more skeptical of this now than 18 months ago, now I am thinking if it is added to engines like QS/MarkV it should be opt-in only. - possibly an entity key "_true_rotation" "1" to enable for an entity, - or a cvar "sv_truerotation" "1" - mods would stuffcmd it if they want the feature. would need to be non-archived and not meant for players to change or save to cfg's. -a checkextension so the engine can report it is supported.. although if a map wants the feature and the engine doesn't have it, the map will probably be broken. I think this feature is just about doing collision against rotated BSP models; entity bboxes like the player still have to be axis aligned (guessing here).
my main concern about it is that the current implementation (from a few years ago) assumes the expanded hull is still valid when rotated. Since the hull is expanded a different amount on each of six axes, if you rotate it 90 degrees onto its side (e.g. a drawbridge) the player will experience being able to get too close to it or not close enough depending on which side they are touching.
I think the perfect method would takes hull0, decompose the bsp into "brushes" for each solid leaf, and then expand those at run time using a quake2-style method. I don't know how hard that is and i don't know what potential problems will crop up with it. (e.g. collision glitches due to leafs being weird shapes.) On the other hand the example method from a couple years ago has the advantage that it actually exists and has a reference implementation. From reading through posts, it seems all of you were in favor of supporting true rotation. And QS itself had the experimental version - link didn't work anymore :(
Looks like the only thing holding this back from going forward was the logistics of how to include it? Minimizing the consequences? Is it sufficient for a new mod to set the angle and set SOLID_BSP? This wouldn't break hipnotic style rotation in existing mods since those mods makes the rotating bsp model non-solid.
@metl - Hulls. Good point. Will monsters think they can walk on a rotated bridge, etc. Hmmm.
ericw has a simple test map that the RMQ engine fails on in the thread at inside3d @damage - There is an entire release with rotation. http://quakeone.com/~images/news/spdemo3_1.jpg <--- the drawbridge there in the first rotates down. Remake Quake - By ijed, gb, supa, MH, rickyt23 and others possibly an entity key "_true_rotation" "1" to enable for an entity
I'll have to re-remember/re-investigate what hints the map compiler expects and from what. opt-in Already had planned that ;-) My thoughts were a worldspawn key. cvar "sv_truerotation" "1" - mods would stuffcmd it if they want the feature. would need to be non-archived and not meant for players to change or save to cfg's. I just wanted to mention this because I've hated this in other engines for a long time, long before Quakespasm ever existed. Engines would add CVAR_ROMs. A concept that makes no sense. If you have a read-only console variable, how is it even a console variable? It's not variable at all. The user can't change it. How is it even a cvar? Why is it a cvar? "god", "noclip" aren't cvars. Anyway, that's a broken concept because really what someone wants to do is in QuakeC extension check in this particular case. But if the engine doesn't support BSP2, you won't even get far enough to load the map for the progs to even run the QuakeC, haha ;-) And the whole failed thing about the QuakeC extension system, is a progs.dat prepared to handle a situation where some of what it wants is available but not others? And even DarkPlaces isn't very consistent from version to version. Plenty of mods that an older (or newer) DarkPlaces says based on QuakeC extensions that it's ok --- and it don't work. /Little bit of explanatory rant in there towards the end. Since Mark V does Nehahra and had to deal with a mod does all kinds of things it shouldn't do Baker, yeah it's a good point that the feature is already in use in released q1 content (even if the RMQ releases were labelled as "demos"), and several engines implement it (darkplaces, fteqw). There is a door that swings open in e3m3rq from rmqwinter11 (right at the start of the map, after pressing the button); that map is unbeatable without this feature.
So an argument against making it opt-in is it would create a fork in the feature. metl, good point about the hulls, didn't consider that. I think the time for rotation is now.
Just in firewalled form, to limit any possible side-effects. And we'll just see where it goes!! Haha. /I have a great implementation in mind. Should address most, but not all of the above --- certainly not the hull concerns. @Baker: Yes, I have most, if not all, of the RMQ content archived, great stuff there. A ton of cool features.
I admire more than you know everything you guys do. Last time I consolidated it all it totaled about 15 Gb's plus. With my current drivers(375.95) and a gtx 1060 the RMQ "2011 Singleplayer demo" is completely borked.
HOM's everywhere and brushes just gone missing. I don't think it's my setup. I just put my two I wanted to look at it again. But I can see an implementation of the following:
"If you have a read-only console variable, how is it even a console variable? It's not variable at all. The user can't change it. How is it even a cvar? Why is it a cvar?" The user can check what the value is via the console. The user is prevented from changing it as a function within the game changes it, OR a current state of the program prevents it from being changed. sv_cheats comes to mind. So your example of a read-only cvar is one that isn't read-only?
] sv_cheats 2 You must restart the level for setting to take effect. ] sv_cheats sv_cheats is 2 Console variables in Quake have no restrictions on the value. I can do the following if I choose
] skill "Blue is my favorite color" ] fov 243030303 Console variables in Quake are not a reflection of the current state. If you want to see this in action, type "vid_width 720" in the console. By itself, without a vid_restart command, changing the vid_width does not have any effect. CPU architectures, Kaby Lake, Zen and beyond, being tied to a version of Windows? Shitty as fuck right.
I just learned about this: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3112663/software/microsoft-made-em-do-it-the-latest-kaby-lake-zen-chips-will-support-only-windows-10.html I was working from memory, it was a poor example.
My point was that I could imagine a few instances where it would be acceptable to allow the player to read - but not modify - the variables directly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR4DSgjPVWg
I came across this today. It's a short demo of a rendering engine early in development. It might be interesting to follow where it goes in the future. Reminds me of this vapourware: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpT6MkCeP7Y
These "Real Time Raytracing" engines never seem to catch on these days. As good as that demo looks, I'd have to see a lot more to believe it'll actually "happen". A downloadable demo for instance would be nice. Right now everything on their site is just "coming soon", which isn't exactly confidence inspiring. In the past they've only worked well for tight scenes where the bounces are rather confined and for lower poly stuff.
The promising thing about this is the claims it is "hybrid" raytracing. So perhaps traditional methods are being used on the more difficult with raytracing assisting. I've been hanging out for realtime raytracing for over a decade now, I'll not hold my breath. I am not sure what Pritchard meant in #28560, but I would like to clarify that the ray-tracer engine from my link does have a demo you can try out. It's built into the "3D modeller" package that is on the downloads page. (It's not much of a modeller yet in this bare-bones demo. It just reads text files with scene descriptions.)
http://www.infinity3dengine.com/get-infinity/3d-modeller You will probably find that the demo doesn't really give you very impressive frame rates for even mildly complex scenes. Until the author comes up with the benchmark he is promising, it's hard to say what reasonable applications this engine could have. I'm a little curious to see what he does with it, but you don't obviously have to be :) I didn't think to check the link for the 3D modeller, I just went to the other two pages on the dropdown, since I assumed that it wouldn't be anything like the demo video on YT. It's about 50% of that at least but considering you can create more scenes than just the chess board that's pretty decent. Listening to my CPU fan spin up was fun.
It'll be interesting to see what comes next for this, I do want to see a decent realtime raytracing solution in the future. Perhaps even one that can be used for games! They actually have software out there using their tech.
Just not games... maybe never games. You can't really call that vaporware. I couldn't work out how they had optimised the gbc to make it do that, then I read that the guy included a co-processor in the cart to make it work.
Cool, but cheating. I mean, it's not unheard of for console carts to include non-standard components in order to work. Tended to make them more expensive, of course, which sometimes made the games into commercial failures as a result, but still.
Perhaps in homebrew it could be considered cheating, but I'd still want to give the guy credit. Apparently he's butting up against the ROM limit of 128k, which means he's managed to shrink what's on there pretty significantly. I think that's neat, even if it'd never actually run on a standard cart. Don't get me wrong, it's impressive as hell. But I'm more impressed by what people can do with programming wizardry, breaking the limits of what existing hardware can do, rather than adding extra hardware.
I need a program that determines the average RGB value of an image (or part of image), in order to know which color I should apply to a light according to the source texture. Any idea?
Resize the image to a 1x1 pixel and see what color that is? Not sure if that can be made to have the same result as strict averaging, but it's at least an interesting/relevant result.
Or if using Photoshop, try Filter-Blur-Average. A few other things found on quick Googling: http://www.wisegeek.com/how-can-i-find-the-average-color-in-a-photograph.htm http://www.gpick.org/ (try "Palette from image") http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/color-summarizer/ The evening has already started here, so I'll see y'all on the other side of the Christmas tree.
and a little anecdote
with a friend we discused who whas the most powerful superhero. but between the doom marine and the quake ranger. in 1998. obviously i defended the quake guy and my friend defended the doom guy. i don't know.. if someone who falls to lava manage to get out, he has to win. remembering that always brings a smile Merry Christmas ;-)
Back in March, someone asked me who I thought would emerge as "someone new who does stuff". I said "Shamblernaut". Even though your first map looked like a un-lit boxmap, I have been proven right 3 times over ;-) @Baker
Thanks for all the help you've given me this year man. I'm slow and I'm still learning heaps. I love this community, even with all it's idiosyncrasies. This community wouldn't be the same without its trolls and its users who take their bait. It wouldn't be the same without the people who spruik insane ideas or make maps with the same quality as mine >_> We were blessed with AD this year. The mod was great, the maps were AMAZING. We also had amazing jams and individual releases, all of which showed your fondness for this game and love for crafting interesting worlds. Thank you to all who've offered help, provided assets, offered opinions, given critiques and shitposed. Thanks for the random song and random porn postings on func. Thanks for the inspiration thread, and thanks for the help threads. Thanks for the guys that worked on editors and tools, you make our lives so much easier and you add polish to our maps that never would have been there otherwise. You guys rock. You've helped change what has been a difficult year for me into a bearable one. I hope you all have a wonderful christmas. <3 Shamblernaut (Ben) Shambs here said it all. Thank all of you for making Quake what it is today. Though I've been playing Quake on and off for the past 20 years, I was always restricted to the base game, the 2 mission packs and Aftershock.
I first stepped into the community only a few months ago and I never imagined how rich it could be. Something like AD is incredible and I hope a lot of you guys will use the devkit to make even more great things for the next 20 years. Sock, you did an outstanding thing here, gathering all these great people and pushing them into making one of, if not the best Quake mod ever. And if you sometimes feel like the criticism outweighs the praise, maybe it's because we feel like the praise goes without saying and we're not saying it enough. Thank you. Merry Christmas. and by func in this sentence: Thanks for the random song and random porn postings on func. I of course meant to say terrafusion.
Less active these days, but still following all the releases and ogling screenshots, which I then send around to co-workers who always say some variant of "damn, that's Quake?!"
Keep it up in 2017! Been a great year in gaming (will Doom4 start a reboot of proper FPS action??), and a great year in Quaking (welcome aboard all the newish mappers).
Doom 3 BFG edition is on sale. However, it's an absolute shitshow and I do not recommend even entertaining the idea of purchasing it (just in case anyone here was in danger of doing such a thing).
Installing the original and spending 10 minutes properly configuring it might be worth your time, though. Finally, 12 years later, I have a PC that can run D3 with a fixed tic. No stutter! Also, nvidia's fastsync really shines with this title. What's wrong with the BFG edition? I've never heard anything bad about it, except that some people dislike being able to have a gun and torch at the same time like in that mod.
I'll just quote a post I wrote a while ago:
Finally got around to buying this (the BFG Edition, that is), mainly because it comes with a new 8-map single-player campaign, which I wanted to check out. First off, the new flashlight behaviour is just id caving in to all the people who whinged about the old system. I wasn't one of those people, but I wouldn't have minded the change if it wasn't for the fact that you do not have the option to change back to the old system. (FFS Why???) Also, the new flashlight behaviour just looks like an zero-effort amateur mod - they didn't even bother to add a sound effect when you turn it on, and when you look in a mirror, you can see the original handheld flashlight model just laughably sticking out of the character's shoulder. So, with the smell of turd already tickling my nostrils, I started up the new "Lost Mission" levels... And what a load of lazy, inexcusable shite they are. The PR bollocks about these levels being "cut from the original game" is total crap because I can say absolutely unequivocally that these levels are just made entirely from a bunch of existing rooms and corridors copied from the original game and stitched together in a different way to make a series of small and boring boxy maps with nothing unique or interesting about them whatsoever. The only exception to this is the final Hell level, which actually seems to contain mostly (and perhaps entirely) original level geometry. It looks a bit rough though, with some fairly subpar lighting and the architecture is roughly on a par with the stock Quake 3 gothic maps in terms of sophistication, but it was mildly interesting to see a Hell level with some attempt at architecture, instead of just a collection of haphazardly stacked bricks, like the original Doom3 Hell. However, the layout and gameplay of this new map is just as boring as the ones that came before it. Bottom line: don't buy this, it's pretty much a complete waste of money. In addition, a few points I left out: they narrowed the FOV (like wtf?) and also made it shit-tons easier with more ammo everywhere (again, WTF? It's not like the original was known for being hard in any way). Also I heard they might have added more lights to the maps to brighten them up but I'm not sure - I can't be shitted to verify that myself. I wish I saw this post sooner :/
I agree with kinn, let me add a bit more: Technically It's a stuttering mess. Visually They amped up the ambient lighting; everything is washed out. Everything lacks definition, every surface becomes very blurry at a short distance (this is not an anistropy issue). LOD bias seems to have no effect. Gameplay Too fuckin' easy. Even the original was a cakewalk. The flashlight undermines a core gameplay mechanic (whatever, if you like it you like it) but in the BFG edition flashlight is pure ass, they couldn't have implemented it any more poorly. Rant Doom3 wasn't much for gameplay to some, but the atmosphere is second to none and easily picked up the slack. The BFG edition destroys the expertly crafted nuanced environments of the game; it shits all over its core strengths while adding more gameplay issues and totally ignoring legitimate problems. Simply put, the BFG edition is an insult to Doom 3. It tries to make Doom 3 something it isn't to placate a group of people that didn't like the original and fails miserably to do even that. If you want a bright corridor crawl go play Quake II. Here's an excellent source port. Don't know about the stuttering mess. One of the main differences is the engine that's supposed to be optimized for hardware that's newer, but not exactly very powerful (think consoles). The laptop I used to compare the two versions of the game was struggling with the 2004 release on High, while the BFG reissue was very comfortable to play with comparable quality (I'm not talking about the aesthetic changes right now).
Of course, it wasn't an entirely free achievement. Some shadows were disabled, and some geometry was simplified, especially in Resurrection of Evil, which was always slower than the main campaign. The official patch released after a lot of complaining allows restoring some of the simplified lighting effects, but I'm not sure about all of them. There's also a feature that dynamically adjusts the rendering resolution when the system can't hold a decent framerate, which is a good innovation, but probably lead to a lot of people thinking that the game looks crappier without being able to put their finger on what exactly is wrong. As for the flashlight, the implementation is so retarded that I had no words when I discovered how they did it. It's so aggravating that this change alone makes me not want to recommend the reissue. Even though I'm pretty sure that 90% of players will never notice the problem. The engine coders did their jobs. The artists kinda did their jobs providing some touched-up model skins (whether it was actually needed is another question). The one poor hack they asked to redo the flashlight shat all over their work. I'm pretty sure that if you move the camera back far enough you'll be able to see the view model of the flashlight complete with a T-1000-style third hand. But I'm a little scared to check. Then there are mappers, of course. Okay, exactly one level bug I can remember in the original release was fixed. All others are in their place. But hey, they swapped the floor texture in the Mars City Underground lobby! New levels aren't exactly worth talking about. They're there, and that's about it. I'd compare them to a decent amateur episode from authors that weren't confident enough in their skills to make original geometry, so they cannibalized a bunch of stock maps instead. I've heard similar complaints about RoE, but it wasn't as bad there, and I actually liked the "rearranged" levels. At least that mission pack had some new enemies and weapons. Brighter lighting seems like an overkill in pandering. Wasn't the new flashlight enough? Should've done one or the other. In the BFG edition I never played through the original campaign, I only played the new "lost levels", which is why I couldn't comment on any lighting changes to the original maps.
On hearing they royally fucked them up by yanking up the ambient, I am: 1) Not surprised in the least, given the rest of the crap they did. 2) Even more glad I didn't bother playing through them. Some games get fantastic re-releases with all-new spanky updated art. Some game re-releases just get farmed off ultra-cheapo to a Z-team somewhere that will idly slap out something nominal for a couple of free sandwiches from the vending machine - but not the good sandwiches; I'm talking like those petrol-station-quality egg & cress sandwiches that have been sitting there for a week. One change I can appreciate is a slight increase of the player's running speed. The original game just felt uncomfortable in this regard, while the reissue feels about right. They also toned down the footstep sounds, which were really annoying.
It's amazing how such an important aspect of the game (you spend even more time running around and listening to your boots than you spend shooting things) can be so neglected, and how little you need to change to make it relatively not particularly horrible. I am yet to see a "remastered" game be better than the original with community patches and mods. D3 BFG is no exception. Sikkmod + Absolute HD are ten times better than this BFG cash grab.
I don't think it was supposed to be a "remaster" or "HD upgrade" for the PC - The only reason it exists is because some bean-counter thought they could make a few pennies by releasing a version of Doom 3 on XBox360 and PS3, hence the retarded console-friendly changes like narrower FOV and more health/ammo everywhere. The PC edition of D3 BFG is just "there" and an utterly, utterly pointless purchase.
For what it's worth.
But it seems that they changed the view weapon offsets somewhat to compensate for the default FOV, so some things look worse with 90. The machinegun in particular reveals more than you want to see. dwere - Interesting, confirms my assumptions. I played for about 6 minutes and had just assumed that there was a myriad of other issues deeper into the game. The hirez hud is nice, though.
mugwump - Sikkmod. Ah, the ol' bloom and vaseline mod! Kinn - The only reason it exists is because some bean-counter thought they could make a few pennies... Painful truths! IMO, D3 is deserving of tasteful and respectful touch-up. It's a similar story with the new bioshock "remasters". NEW RULE: If you don't give a shit about the game and/or lack basic human decency, you're not allowed to be a part of the remastering team. Well, if you treat it as a second console edition, it's not so bad. Many of the changes even make sense in this context.
It's just that they didn't care enough to make the PC version separate from the rest. Which is a pretty common practice, unfortunately. You don't have to use bloom with Sikkmod and there's more to it than fancy effects: you can tweak walking speed, weapon behavior, etc...
But AFAIK it was decent enough. I liked Doom3 too.
But TBH, Doom4 is everything Doom3 should have been and completely overriden it. Mugwump - no, you're right, I'm just being facetious. However, I do find that particular mod to be, well, a little tasteless. IIRC, I think I did lift a thing or two from it for my personal mod.
Shambler - decent enough That's an accurate description. I must respectfully disagree with Doom4 overriding Doom3 (kinda apples to oranges comparison anyway). I find glory-killing my through D4's arenas less engaging than crawling through D3's corridors. Don't get me wrong, both very good games. For "doom action" I just play D2 and its abundant wads. I have been mapping and scripting nonstop for the last strikes!
Well this blew my mind a little bit. I knew that the Earth's landmasses appear distorted on the typical 2d projection you see in atlases (and google maps) but I had no idea how totally wacky it was. Here's a cool site that lets you drag countries around the globe to compare their true sizes with others:
http://thetruesize.com/ For the biggest "Holy Shit", try dragging Indonesia onto Europe or Russia. Since I don't actually have anything interesting to say, I'll just leave it at that.
Quake to be run at AGDQ '17 next Monday: https://gamesdonequick.com/schedule
I must say I'm not satisfied with having not much time for mapping for retrojam 6 previous week. Now we have holidays and a lot of time to map. I wonder if any one wants another map jam. Let's continue the awesome start of 2017.
Personally I want to map more, this time with AD. Any thoughts? That would be awesome - great idea. I always wanted those features put into id games like Doom 3 and Doom 2016 so I could admire the levels without monsters.
I would love an explore jam 2. However, is it wise to organize yet another jam so soon? I remember some MJ8 talks where people complained about not having time to work on their personal projects between jams.
I would like to complete what I am working on (off and on for a year!)
But perhaps it's time for jam organizers to agree on a schedule for 2017? And BTW another Jam idea would be Co-op jam. Would require a lot more playtesting but would be cool to get more mappers working and playing together. Different design challenges too. i can get into one explorejam this month
with no monster placement or gameplay tweaking i can focus in learning to use lights and level architecture and try crazy designs correct me if i'm wrong, but a explorejam wouldn't be much less time-consuming than a full classic map? you can add some puzzle elements, and refine them if there is time; if not then it is a place to stroll around. i tried to play ad_swampy with my brother through lan and it didn't work well
lots of packet overflow (whatever that is), the breakables were already broken on the client (my brother notebook, with wifi) and the sounds were desynced. i tested a e1m1, e1m2 and e1m3, with ad. in e1m3 happened the same thing how can i make it work? it's a problem of the game? it's the wifi and i have to try with cable? i tried disabling particles (in quake.rc) but it didn't help I'd be fine with another Jam event...I would just make sure it is 4x smaller than my previous one.
Explore jam would be cool and certainly a challenge if that is what is being considered. A few things: check the heapsize in your launch options. Both clients would have to have increased heapsizes for AD.
info here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=120426294 It could be the game engine. Pretty sure Quakespasm is geared only toward SP. I see that Mark V has pretty solid Coop features. Try that one? I just downloaded Mark V but haven't played around with it much. It screwed up my config.cfg so back yours up. QS can't currently do co-op on AD maps (swampy at least), even if you turn off AD's particles. (max unreliable message size is too small). Last I checked MarkV has the same limit.
DarkPlaces might work for AD coop. nitpick: QS defaults to a 256MB heap size since the last few versions, so you don't need to enlarge it for AD or any mods I know of
Quakespasm Spiked, DarkPlaces or FTE is your best chance for co-op with Arcane Dimensions (with the particles being off).
Only those 3 engines offer network compression right now. Quakespasm Spiked has a method for packet fragmentation in the network traffic. Good to know thx.
@ baker QS Spiked? Never came across that before. Man this game, even after 20 years. So much development going on! guys, i love all of you. go map, the old and the new ones!
my life is in a grinder these days, its my fault and its a new girl involved. forgive me ad_team, i have no time atm, new scents to be be had :) i'll be back someday with new stuff, be sure.. right now its hard, sorry sleepwalkr, i miss you too... Why is the particle code so storage / network intensive?
Does it record / transfer the location of each particle every frame? In standard Quake, QuakeC tells the client to emit a particle (1 message). And the particle system takes it from there.
In Arcane Dimensions (I haven't looked), to make things look fancy, every single particle is an entity. So imagine a room with 800 monsters where each monster has a position xyz, a frame, angles, etc. Arcane Dimensions does particles in a way that each little yellow particle is essentially a monster. That's why an Arcane Dimensions demo is 600 MB after 30 minutes with the particles on, for instance. But it does have ability to be turned off. Sock and the guys working on Arcane Dimensions are smart. It's perfectly ok to do it "ok" the first time and then later on "do it right". It's just part of the learning curve. But the way they are doing it right now isn't efficient. But also part of the problem is that the classic engines can't do what sock + company would ideally like. I think Quakespasm Spiked could probably move that all client-side. But would require work on the part of Arcane Dimension and also wouldn't work with DarkPlaces because the particles systems are very different. So will be interesting to see how things go. But certainly raises the right issues for discussion. This is really interesting. There was a mod called extras4 I downloaded that had a some particle effects. I'm am not a coder but curious if they implemented their particle system differently? You can download this here:
http://www.quakewiki.net/quake-1/mods/extras-r4/ I was considering using this for a project myself mainly because of the sound capabilities. It's pretty well documented and has some nice additions that are already in AD. Rather than every particle being an entity ideally some sort of a "particle emitter" entity should exist and handled client side.
Just feed the emitter the quantity / duration / angles / velocity / colours / world interactivity of the particles and let the client do the rest. @dumptruck - If you want to learn more about that mod, the actual homepage for that mod is http://quake.chaoticbox.com/ .
Not that you will learn much from the one short basic paragraph of info about that mod on that site.
@dumptruck, you're better off just downloading the mod and going through the readme and the Qc source which looks like you already have. i checked the source and docs
pretty neat stuff i quote: ------------ Particle systems with QuakeC - packet overflows made easy! These were modeled after particle systems in high-end 3D apps, they are not the most user friendly entities around... Emitters generate a "particle" (either a Effectors change the behaviour of particles that touch them (the emitter must have the "USEEFFECTORS" spawnflag set). Emitters can be attached to a func_train_ext, for some really neat shit :) ------------ the implementation is different but both are entities emitters and similarly inefficient Ahh, what a gem. I still love the gravity well effect that sucks in nails and curves them around. Would love to see this in an arena where some wells were by some sort of equipment that warps your bullets. Would make for some interesting ogre fights, esp. flak ogres.
I used the extar4 for burning barrels, which gave a fine effect on shooting them. Also had a fountain in it, but after five sprite emitters I got an eddict error. These particle emitter is a real memory assult.
The savest way to avoid it was to last it only for a minute. Mostly used it for the better balanced func_train in PhantomPholly. The func_water is rarely a real switch for mapping effort. Sad it won't last on spaces longer than 256 units and lacks animation. [19:29:23] Connecting to server...
[19:29:23] Connection failed. Result: -102 [19:29:23] Disconnected from the IRC server "irc.quakenet.org`"! [19:29:23] Reconnecting in 3 second(s)... (Cancel) @topher too bad - i was hoping this would be a good fix.
@Qmaster - that + Ogre nades sounds wild. This part of the mod does open up some interesting possibilities. But I was most interested in the sound trigger features. I hope to test the extrasR4 limits soon but if AD has something similar I may just use that for a project. I haven't reviewed the docs for AD yet. re: particles for torches and similar - Instead of having proper entity based particles if you could have animated alpha textures you might be able to create a similar effect - wonder if this is possible? An previous version of that site had a dedicated extras R4 page with a ton of detail and screenshots and descriptions.
It would seem that page is no longer there. Maybe has to do with the PlanetQuake abandonment. Most likely the reason you gave. I do remember the previous page years ago and with all the information your describing. It was very cool, too bad it's gone. Maybe it's archived somewhere.
Gonna poke the community for interest...
How would we feel about having a deathmatch mapjam at some point? Obviously after a little while and all your creative juices have been refreshed. ....as much as I have no interest in DM, why not. There might be people who are keen to push their DM mapping, so it would be a good creative outlet.
I remember really enjoying playing against bots back in the day. Never got into real DM though, just didn't have the bandwidth or sk1ll4x
I always use reaper bots but i think that's only because they were popular back when I was paying attention.
I have heard frikbot mentioned a lot more recently. Yes I too played against reapers in the 90s, when I should have been studying.
Ah yes I think I was recommended frogbot in the recent past, and seems I already them installed! I was just poking the community, I'll wait and see if others are interested, last thing I want to do is run a jam with only a couple of participants.
i'm new here but what a heck, i'll answer
if i play deathmatch, i play the same old maps over and over again. dm4,dm6, e1m2 and aerowalk the maps are intended to be played or with monster or what? How about "maps designed primarily for DM, but with waypoints for [bot mod x] added, and also monsters for SP"
and there is also the option of using Omicron bots which don't need waypoints, so people not interested in DM have it easier participating.
...because QW community doesn't care about new maps.
They don't give a fuck about your textures or complex brush work, because all they want is low r_speeds. Foogs is last active DM mapper I know. He probably can tell you more or you can go on QW discord channel for more details... There are communities outside of func_msgboard that don't care about the single-player jams either. Not sure that's a reason to not do them.
I thought the idea behind jams was to have a bit of fun amongst ourselves basically (oo-err!). If no-one here is interested then fine, but if people are, who gives a weasel's wotsit what other communities think? i'm using a map editor for less than a month but i can see how fun can be.
it just pains me a little that probably nobody will play it. at least the sp maps are played by a few dozens players. maybe hundreds. thousands in the case of arcane dimensions. we can throw some func_matches! i'm low-mid tier player in ffa, tdm or dmm4 :D. never played enough to become good. Meh.
Wait don't we have explore Jams. Not much different except flow isn't considered. Ahh, sure, go for it. It's in the original ID spirit to have SP and DM in the same map. Imo it's counterproductive to make a map that will be never played by QW players. If you want to make good DM map you need constant feedback during design process.
I'm not against this idea, just saying how it is, because few people will be surely disappointed. I remember few people did DM mode for their map during jams. Maybe that's a better idea? SP map with proper DM mode? http://imgur.com/0Ib8HK2
lol. r_drawflat well done really, i like to play like that. but i'm weird sometimes. i like simplified, abstract and contrasted items and players and i play against friends in RL or bots. that lag of mine... @Shamblernaut
I've done a lot of DM level design. I'd love a jam so I am in. Not a QW player myself. I play local with my kids or Omicron bots. There's also the DMSP mod that is quite a hoot. If you guys haven't tried it - you should. http://strlen.com/maps/dmsp/ @killpixel - I am down for a co-op Jam for sure. I suggested it a few days ago. I think it would require a LOT more coordination and care - maybe a team of two mappers or volunteers to playtest. Yeah the coop thing is really interesting. Especially if you force the two players to separate and complete different portions to progress.
I forgot how vomitously awful "make the game look fucking terrible to win at any cost" DM-orientated engines were.
Shamblernaut, cancel the possible DM Jam ASAP. to be fair i doubt many play with that settings
but the setting is there, i tried it, played matches with it and really like it. anyway, i knew that r_drawflat thingy for like 18 years when i started playing the game, and played one time all the episodes with r_drawflat 1 in winquake. for the same reasons, contrast. i don't remember being multicolored like in quakespasm, though. it was white i think to be fair i doubt many play with that settings
but the setting is there, i tried it, played matches with it and really like it. anyway, i knew that r_drawflat thingy for like 18 years when i started playing the game, and played one time all the episodes with r_drawflat 1 in winquake. for the same reasons, contrast. i don't remember being multicolored like in quakespasm, though. it was white i think If I make a jam I will suggest that the authors use clip or skip brushes over all the fancy geometry to overcome that.
I also suspect the level of detail will be kept to id DM map levels. Anyway, there is no rush to make another jam, I was polling the community for thoughts. It would be pretty interesting to see a jam that uses those kinds of mods.
"Make best use of AD features" jam could be cool. A bit like Sock's breakables test map, that worked well being full of breakables and still cool in it's own right.
Map Jam 7 was Quoth based and it was cool, except people didn't updated their Quoth to latest version and half of the maps were broken.
There is a rather large group of single player users that are using the Quake Injector and are completely dependent on it. Not using the Quake Injector generally isn't even an option for many of those users, they don't know where is unzip things or how to do a command line themselves.
And the Quake Injector doesn't support Quoth 2.2, to the best of my knowledge (The Quake Injector files are July 2010, so probably not). Furthermore, the Quoth 2.2 files at Quaddicted are not up-to-date. So any release depending on features in Quoth 2.2 that aren't present in Quoth 2.1 is going to be a tragedy where a number of users have problems that most of them have zero chance of resolving themselves. "Oh you wanna backtrack through this area and spawn a bunch of monsters? Yeah youre gonna need the monster entity. A Teleport_destination. Trigger_Teleport and then something to trigger the whole sequence."
:slow clap: The inability to not have triggers initially disabled was the thing that frustrated me most about id1 mapping.
You could use the silly spikeshooter logic gate hacks I guess, but lol. The entity state system in AD is the biggest pull from me. That allows so much more creative ideas really shine.
Ok this info was probably on the internet at one point in the 90s but I can't for the love of fuck find it anymore:
how do I make quake start looping the standard quake demos? Has QS/MarkV made "startdemos demo1 demo2 demo3" not work anymore? I try typing that into the console and nothing happens...
adding the "-fitz" flag when launching QS restores the demo loop playback (also some other things: restores the quit prompt, disables loading the sutff in quakespasm.pak - the custom conback, WASD config, z-fighting fixes for id1).
I thought QS was only disabling "startdemos" during the exec of quake.rc but apparently it's totally disabled. i tried the new doom yesterday 20 minutes
i mean, if it's seriously considered goty by many it must be good i saw some desert/hell scene and i didn't like it the monsters are almost the same color that the landscape... i didn't like items popping out like confetti i don't like the glory kills. the mouse is smooth, or whatever the name is for that setting. the level are nice to look? i might play the game in easy. the mouse smoothing (or whatever) can be disabled? if not i'm uninstalling the game. oddly enough i like more the doom4doom mod for gzdoom.. and it's not because it's old or pixelated. the gameplay is better. the drops can be disabled. the weapons feel better. and it's free! Cheers, it's not a problem anymore, all I wanted to do was loop the demos for profiling purposes but I can just as easily do what I want by playing a demo without a loop.
ok i played some more and the game is killing my computer
30-50 fps no way i will play like that and i have no money to change the gpu well, i still have the old quake and doom What about a hybrid bots used as enemies map ? Kind of a multi arena dm map with progress - defeat these so and so equipped bots in this area before moving on to next dm area. Not sure of the feasability but its an interestng idea/challenge maybe. Not Jam adapted though I guess as it requires modding/hackery I assume.
You mean basically Q3A SP in Q1? I've heard of a Quake 1 Arena mod, but I don't know if it has bots for SP or is DM-only. You might wanna check it out.
Only 11 days into 2017 and there's already been 25 Q1SPs out.
Are we in for the best year yet? something something quality / quantity
Hmmm, lessee... - RJ6, quality: check. - XJ2, quality: check. - ad_fenrir, quality: check. - ad_scastle by our Lord and Master Sock, quality: check and double-check. - SM178, quality: can't tell yet. - neg2betahc, quality: can't tell yet but judging from the comments, it's already an improvement over Hexcalc's first disastrous (no offence) map. You were saying...? I'm talking about how meaningless it is adding a map counter to quaddicted, you peach cleaver.
Mugwump looks around, observes and brings a fresh perspective. And more importantly a diverse perspective. I think Mugwump brings a great perspective to the mix.
Trolling? Is it really bad? Trolling people isn't so bad, it's the internet and trolling is part of that. I think a bigger internet problem is the occasional complete lack of trolling. Facebook: like!, like!, like!, like!, like! --- Well, you need critical thought too right? Don't you need someone to say "This sucks -- here is why?" Isn't negative feedback part of learning and growth? Anyone can do positive feedback, because it is a very sheep thing to do. Negative feedback is therefore often more valuable. Negative feedback is true feedback. Don't you want the true feedback to your face instead of behind your back? If I do something that sucks and I don't know about it or I am lacking perspective to see it --- I want the negative feedback. /One thought. I'm often wrong about these things, haha Indeed, critical thought is necessary, and I'm not one to shy away from it. However, you seem to say that trolling = critical thought. Not. It's just mockery in my book.
@Kinn I'm talking about how meaningless it is adding a map counter to quaddicted This I wholeheartedly agree with. I thought you were saying large quantity leads to decline in quality, which is of course not always the case. baker: trolling/beef needs to be clearly distinguished from negative criticism, otherwise you lend legitimacy to garbage like that guy in the AD thread recently.
Communication is made out of words.
If the words have something interesting to say, you can read them. And if they don't have something interesting to say, maybe you have something better to do. The effect that words have on the reader of the words is the responsibility of the reader. If you achieve any level of success, there will be trolls. The only people without trolls are people who never did anything interesting. Remember: a troll is still a fan of your work. Because they think your work is important enough to troll. I would take that as a compliment! Jesus Fucking Christ.
I wasn't clear with the sentiment of my post. I though a "maps so far this year" counter would be a cool metric to keep track of for fans who are proud of their involvement in keeping a 20+ year old game alive and well. Sorry for the wide eyed enthusiasm. I forgot where I was posting. a) Mark V build 1025 supports variable sound distance now. "sound_clipdistance" "1000" (1000 is default, you probably want 2000). You add "sound_clipdistance" as a worldspawn key to your map, similar to how you set a skybox or the map title.
Maybe it will suit your purposes for your func_train. b) Spirit runs Quaddicted and as I understand it does not read this forum any longer. Remember: a troll is still a fan of your work.
OMG, OTP is my fan!! Teehee! Ahem. More seriously: You add "sound_clipdistance" as a worldspawn key to your map Wouldn't that augment the hearing distance of all sounds in the map? Furthermore, what about other engines? Thanks - I will try and test asap. Might have to wait until the weekend, away from mapping machine for a few days. Great to see an engine with enhanced sound features.
Spirit is an it? :) I don't want to post in it because I could ruin what he did there!
That's an inventive concept. Oh no my first double post :(
I chose to read #28751. Although the content was the same, I appreciated the choice of paths :} Rock Paper Shotgun posted a list of the top 50 PC FPS games, and guess who's on top?
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/01/13/the-50-best-fps-on-pc/ Also, reading through the list, I think they copy and pasted a few of the entries from older lists... a lot of them refer to things that were "last year" but were actually last year... last year. If that makes sense. Yeah they keep those "25 best" or "50 best" lists around and update them occasionally.
For example, from 2015: http://web.archive.org/web/20150514154720/http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/05/13/best-fps/ Back then Doom was #1 and Quake #37. :-) Which is cool that they do some re-opinioning every now and then. FWIW I think the guy who posts the list is also the same one that reviewed Arcane Dimensions for RPS. Trash person writes trash article for trash website.
He even links to fucking Darkplaces to "offend your eyes a little less". quake?
that was unexpected i mean, i always loved the game; and the game was loved in 1996 and 1997 but later it was kinda forgotten and lately is rising again, in a way "all so physical in their blockiness and pixel-grid textures" when i tried gl_texturemode 3 and no hd textures with retrojam1 maps i noticed this too and deleted all the hd textures. with the new fog and lighting effects they look exquisite. We can make it. Let's forget QW uglyness ever existed and make a "Q1 Arena" single player DM jam. A chain of maps like we are used to make, but DM with a bot setup. The jam can provide a bot environment all set to just drop your map files on, for dev and test. Maps can have all mood, detail and beauty you want, provided you caulk (clip) it properly.
Afaik, it would be something completely new here. I'm in. Miss DM very much. Genuinely lold at some of these choices. Shadow Warrior 2 in it while it's one of the worst games of 2016. I mean the original reboot (I chuckled typing this) is far better in every aspect. SW2 feels like Borderlands with Asian memes, and they're not even funny. There's fucking Far Cry 4 in it too. Half-Life with a picture of the Black Mesa game because why the hell not. Devil Daggers on 5th place? Why the fuck not. The game looks great and is fun for like 5 minutes. Let's put it higher than other titles like Blood... wait, Blood isn't even in that list. I guess DOSBox is too hard for these people.
Quake first shows they're not totally braindead, though the cherry on top has to be the DarkPlaces recommendation with the jab at Quake's graphics, while the guy says the aesthetics look awesome a few sentences above. @johnny We're all angry old men here. We've all been jaded by time ;)
@adib I'll make a DM jam in a few weeks. @everyone who is interested how would you feel about making design / planning documentation public for said jam. I know sometimes jams release the map source, but I think it might be interesting to have some extra docs aswell. i.e. sketches, flow charts, etc. Of course optional. Thoughts? I can spread info on Quake World discord when you'll be ready to start this Jam. There are few active mappers there and lots of players, so you'll be able to confront your design with reality :D
making design / planning documentation public (...) i.e. sketches, flow charts, etc.
Could be a valuable resource for novice mappers. Approved. I remember using a vodoo2 on Thief.
It was the same period of Unreal, and I had lots of gl_drivers on my computer. There are no editors for this game, right? http://www.pcgamer.com/how-the-prison-architect-developers-broke-the-geneva-conventions/
Using the red cross symbol in your game can result in attention from the British Red Cross. Why this particular game attracted the attention might not be entirely clear. The Thief game/map editor is called DromEd. You can find more than one video on Youtube about it.
DromEd is pretty ancient and archaic though. Getting scenes done takes quite a while, though a huge advantage over Quake is that you directly edit the game map file, so you don't need to compile it. That means lighting actually exists and you can modify it in real time, among other cool stuff. I'd love a TB-like editor as an alternative though.
Number of retrojam maps that dumptruck has released that DON'T have a really fucking stupid name that takes longer to type than to play the map:
0 there was a time long before I dear to post on this board, I really believed shambler and other nicks were the creators of quake monsters, like tim willits would be metlslime.
It's baaaaaaaaack https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=844674609
It's XCOM 2 hard mode with more in depth mechanics, expanded strategy layer and shit ton of new enemies, items and weapons etc. The AD of XCOM if you will... In case anyone missed this project, I released it on Moddb a while back.
This mutator for Unreal 227 and UT99 will replace all those old, blurry Unreal/RTNP skins with detailed, high-res versions. Unlike most skin projects, almost everything looks identical to the original from a distance, but far more detailed close-up (no more pixelation). Each skin has been manually reworked (no simple filters or cheesy sharpening techniques used). The most obvious improvements are with the big meshes, like the Titan. Most skins have been increased from the original 128x128/256x256 to 2048x2048/4096x4096. View more information and download here: http://www.moddb.com/mods/high-resolution-unreal-skins i managed to do an hollow torus
it was trickier than i thought do you think it would be useful to have a tutorial for this? like that old czg's tutorial, but for trenchbroom? http://imgur.com/a/hf2KG That looks pretty spiffy! I'd be interested on the technique especially that you made it hollow as well!
Due to the absence of a brush skew feature, all curve guides end up in a roadblock. I've just finished one also.
Hard to keep it tight as the maps grows. Really neat looking doom mod with lots of quake resources, including ambient sounds and a custom shambler monster! Give it a shot!
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/92574-dimension-of-the-boomed-early-alpha/ Check out my ad map if you want some hollow pipework. The source is included, I basically followed czgs tute after several days of vertex manipulation nightmares
Thank you, those looks like czg's tutorials but in TB this time. Maybe in the future it is easier do now pipes. All of my maps have been pretty pipe-less*
News Submission "General Abuse" [EDIT]
Posted by Lightning Hunter [76.25.102.76] on 2017/01/22 18:33:33 Really? My news submission went to general abuse? Man, after browsing this board and posting about my projects for 10+ years, you would think my submissions would get posted... Anyway, please ignore my News submission made today. I submitted it again thinking the previous news did not get through, PLUS, I titled it wrong. I realized though that the submission was flat out rejected, so whatever. It all looks about as Unreal as always, except sharper. The game was never that good when it came to how its art assets looked, so there's very little to ruin.
I'd say why not. Since November, my life is crazy busy. This week I've managed to use some free time for editing some HD textures for Quake's ammo boxes, because I'm tired of not being productive and this is something I may release in a few days.
I miss having the time to sit down and writing some proper feedback for new maps, because there's a lot of great ones released this year. :) Thank you all. Here is a free multi-platform CAD program, in development with a fairly complete set of features already implemented. It reads and writes multiple file formats, so it could find a place in your existing 3D modeling workflow; or you could find it to be a useful tool on its own.
http://www.freecadweb.org/ Why might you want to look at it? Well, they begin describing it as follows. FreeCAD is a parametric 3D modeler made primarily to design real-life objects of any size. Parametric modeling allows you to easily modify your design by going back into your model history and changing its parameters. FreeCAD is open-source and highly customizable, scriptable and extensible. It is so obvious of a copy that he only reason i see for it not being taken down already is that they didn't bother with or even haven't seen it.
Is that a court statement from a judge?
Or is that the plantiff's "made for TV version of what they say happened"? As far as I know, the jury concluded 1) Occulus did *not* misappropriate trade secrets. 2) The founder of Occulus *did* violate a non-disclosure agreement. It does not appear that the court or the jury concurs with the text of the statement made in post #28810, although I don't claim to have read any of the docs provided by the court. An attorney gets to tell their story of what they think happened to both the media and the court. It is always overstated so that if you go along halfway with their version of events, you would side with them. The plantiffs team of attorney's is being paid with the idea they are supposed to win $2 billion for their client. So they are going to have quite the "sales pitch". /An alternate take. I claim no special knowledge. I am also often wrong. Imagine writing countless lines of code over multiple years... then you're told that you stole it.
Humans are weird huh? Apparently the case has been decided? I imagine there will be an appeal.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/02/oculus-execs-liable-for-500-million-in-zenimax-vr-trial/ If that's true, (which I doubt) it's pretty hilarious to picture one of the most well regarded programmers of our time frantically searching Google for how to wipe a hard drive like some guilty dad after clicking on a Shambler link
if john carmack himself is googling "how to wipe hard drive secure" there's hope for all of us
It's not like it's something you need to do everyday.
For that matter, most people would be surprised to find out that when they delete something from their computer it's not really gone at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_erasure
Also: did anybody wonder why they know his google history? *phone rings*
Mrs. Clinton: Hello? Mr. Carmack: Quick, I've received a subpoena. I need to wipe several hard drives. Mr. Clinton: Just hard drives? No phones, tablets or laptops? Mr. Carmack: Just hard drives. Mrs. Clinton: LOL! Put the kettle on, I'll be there in 10. I'm pretty sure google keeps a track of its users search history, and you can view it yourself here https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity (at least if you have an account - not sure what it looks like otherwise.)
It was probably requested/provided in discovery for the case. Must be that weapon pack that was mentioned in the AD thread a long time ago. It has some questionable models based on Doom sprites.
Promoting Quake, namechecking some of the latest greatest missions / mods, praising the Quake mapping scene, and recommending Quakespasm over Derpplaces??
Only skimmed through but it doesn't seem that bad?? Apart from not putting a fucking Rubicon Rumble screenshot in... let me add this to the cringe galore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnZmRVdnBl8
With two recent exceptions (RPS and now this on AD), the mainstream gaming community tend to think Quake modding is basically just whatever happened in 1997 because that's the only time when mainstream game media covered the scene, so Mexx, Zerstorer etc. are the only mods they've ever heard of. Maybe Nehahra, if you're lucky.
That video you linked Kreathor, epitomises this. really nice run down considering its from a mainstream blog that i'd agree is often pretty low-quality.
The screenshots could be better -- it's about custom maps but 3 of the 7 screenshots show stock levels. And that doom shotgun!
But, it has the links and tells you about quakespasm, quake injector, and quaddicted so that's pretty good, plus it mentions a bunch of good stuff from the last 3-4 years like AD, RRP, and multiple map jams. To be honest - doom shotgun aside (wtf) - I'm actually amazed the article showed Quake with fairly normal visuals - 90% of the time they'll show some disco-lit parallax-mapped bloomfest that makes your eyes vomit - even in articles about bog-standard vanilla quake.
I just found out that google docs does not recognise the word "crypt" - it puts a squiggly red line under it lol.
Google Docs - not Quake-ready. #28852, Always try to reply to a post by referencing the # of the post you're replying to, in order to reduce such awkward eventualities :}
don't reply to spam is a good rule. Since it will be flagged eventually, your response will almost never make sense.
It wasnt the usual spam but instead someone thinking anyone gives a shit about a free access quake 2 remake on steam greenlight.
fair enough, i didn't see it before it was flagged. I see now that it looks like a quasi-on-topic post and you can't be sure it would be flagged.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/SVDR-y03XX4
its an official vid?!? idk, really. i have been told so.. watch it please. I know this is a bit early to start planning but can we make func_ into an avocado-focused forum for April 1st this year?
there is some maintenance being done on the quaddicted site atm.
follow it on twitter for news of outages and shit. I've made a Quake community page on the new twitch system for communities https://www.twitch.tv/communities/Quake
As I understand it, you can set what community you stream to in the same way you select the game you are streaming. No approvals or moderation is required, you should appear in the listing as soon as you go live. It's being replaced with "Steam Direct" though, which means devs can put whatever they want on steam for a fee
so don't expect anything to change For a while I've been imagining a quake-like game of my own that technically look like the stuff we're doing here (see the HD shambler model and remodelling of the grunt, dog and knight monsters while still keeping the same texture feel of 90's shooters + the detailed mapping here coupled with good lighting and detailed skyboxes). And while I want to keep the thinking on game design for later, I'd like to know where I should go in terms of engine first.
What I'm looking for are the following, considering idTech2 a basis: skeletal animation, ragdoll physics (I intend to take the Metroid Prime route, where enemies make a dying animation before the ragdoll kicks in) and alpha textures/models (and modding of course). AFAIK, my options are thus: 1-Go for idTech2 and boost it. This also means I'll be able to use TB2 for mapping, but I'm not sure if it'll be able to support skeletal animations and ragdoll physics. On top of that the controls are horrendous. Even if Daikatana managed to get something closer to Q1, it still feels off so I feel like I won't be able to replicate Q1's player physics (minus the bunnyhop as I intend for the player to use an alternative) 2-Use Darkplaces, but the graphic settings for anything that's below 6th gen tends to make them look muddy and the player physics are closer to Q3 than Q1. 3-Use Unity/Unreal4. For Unity's case I've heard it's been used badly a lot so I don't know how reliable it is, and Unreal4 I feel it's like using a bazooka to kill a fly. 4-Use Construct 2 with the Babylon3D plugin (https://www.scirra.com/forum/babylon3d-standard-edition_t183234). I already have experience with this HTLM5 game dev software, and is able to handle online play but I'm not sure if the games you make can be moddable, or what to do if it's possible. My two cents:
Think of game design now. Figure out the gameplay and mechanics, write a gdd, maybe pump out a few tests. You want gameplay to inform your visuals/tech, not the other way around. There will be a lot of back-and-forth and iteration. You might be surprised how easy it is to make pixel art look like shit and how a cool mechanic might be awful in context. Engine-wise, I'd opt for FTE/DP + IQM over unity/unreal. I am by no means an expert, so take my advice with a grain of salt. I use Unity day in / day out, so speaking from experience:
Do not use Unity to make something quake-like. You will spend literally all your time writing systems just to try to get Unity looking and kinda behaving like a quake-like engine, when you can just use something like Darkplaces and have all that shit working straight away from day one. Besides, brush-based mapping is a million times quicker and more fun than mesh modelling. It's brushbased, and it has some of the other stuff you had in mind. You would have to somehow put Quake player-physics in there. If you look on Wikipedia you can see that Source2 is going to be free of licencing-fee.... ,Valve's only condition is that you have to publish on steam. Teeeheeeheee :D
Unity makes sense if you want to release your game to more platforms than just desktop.
As Kinn said, all modern engines will force you to downgrade available "tech", if you want to have 1:1 look/feel with Quake... - AI - path finding - sound/music management - networking Unity's C# API is wonderful and of course much more powerful and nicer to use than QuakeC.
You can use any C# feature that's supported by Mono, which is basically a cross-platform version of but rather something that's close to it (e.g I want the movement flow to be as fluid as Q1, if not as close, without strafe jump and bunnyhopping, as I want to implement stuff like sliding, wallrun and slide boosting [this game's equivalent to strafe jumping, for now, where you jump off a slide and you keep momentum]). If Darkplaces can deal with skeletal animation and ragdoll physics and alpha textures, as well as replicating quakespasm's texture filtering (I swear it has the best for low-res textures, then maybe it has something to do with the new compilers) AND on top of being usable by TB2, I'll be all over it. Though also if the HUD can be customized, because being forced on using the Q1 one as a hard-coded basis would be troublesome.
Now if Unity can make brush-based mapping (I remember a prototyping tool that seemed to have grid-based brushes) I could look more into it, considering what you guys are telling in terms of coding. Then again there's this Dusk game that's using Unity so I might look into it, although from what I've seen the details are on par with Q1 rather than Quakespasm stuff. Still, this brings me hope, but now I'm on the fence on two softwares. DP is rooted in Quake technology, but this also comes with limitations, while Unity announce it early, so people can make really ambitous maps that hold true to knave standards?
Why not? The theme is best quake imo. Now if Unity can make brush-based mapping (I remember a prototyping tool that seemed to have grid-based brushes)
If you are set on using Unity you'll be far better off doing it properly and learning actual mesh-based modelling, rather than using some "brush" tool someone wrote for Unity that will just be generating highly unoptimised meshes anyway. Lost Chapters source code | Lost Chapters Source Release Post
Lost Chapters being the sequel to Contract Revoked. Completely possible to do a faithful to the original Contract Revoked theme map, since Lost Chapters was open sourced. But then how is the Dusk guy doing it?
I'd like to emphasize this for DP, can the HUD be entirely customizable? Last time I looked at a DP-based game the layout was the exact same as Quake, making me fear the HUD being hardcoded carries over DP. here are some games using DP:
SteelStorm Blood Omnicide Xonotic Warsow there are more out there including a bunch of smaller projects. Referring back a few posts...
If you really want to do brush-based mapping (or at least layouts) for a modern engine, http://hammuer.nte.be/ lets you import Is my DarkPlaces favorite project:
http://www.moddb.com/games/retroblazer/images/screenshot1#imagebox and func is the only website that loads up because it's the most optimised and the connection is too shit to load anything else.
after seeing those examples. I might use it afterall.
But one last thing just to be sure: is Quakespasm's way of filtering texture an usual one? Can it be replicated by DP? Can tyrustil's (and others) compilers be used for a commercial game? then I'd settle with DP.
But then I've seen that TB2 can export map files into wavefront 3d models, meaning they can be used by Unity as a single model, meaning using Unity *and* TB2 is possible. The downside I see with this is the back and forth with converting files and testing maps. If the map I test in Unity is wrong in the original map files, I have to edit in TB2 and then convert it. Is brush-based maps in Unity that buggy? Because I'm wondering how the guys behind Dusk are doing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqUiJpITMS0 Another thing I'm wondering about TB2: since my game won't have a palette limit, can TB2 use Try http://sabrecsg.com/ for brush building in Unity
With a dumb conversion of
Also, unless you caulk and automatically remove all the unseen brush faces in a conversion step, you'll be drawing all that too - which might not be a problem because it will be so low poly (I assume?) If you want to go down the You'll need to look into how you do collision. Are you going to just duplicate the visual mesh and use that as a collision mesh? Could be pretty unoptimal unless you are going for 1996 levels of geometric detail in the visual map. Manually creating optimal collision meshes will eat up a ton of your time. You'll need to think about culling too - Unity has an occlusion culling system but you'll have to have a long hard look at that to see how it works so you know how to organise your map meshes - it's no good having the map as a single mesh, it has to be split into lots of seperate meshes so they can be culled independantly of each other. IMO, the iteration time between changing something in a
Unity plugins like that one mukor linked might be worth looking at before you discard the Unity idea though. What are the benefits of brush-based mapping compared to mesh anyway?
I'm asking because at some point in the future I'll have to decide what to start with, and right now my experience = 2.5D mapping + a little bit of low-poly 3D model creation in Blender. Now that's what I'm talking about. I'll look into it and then decide between Unity and DP.
dwere -> brush-based mapping is by practice better to construct an environment faster, the downside being it won't look as organic as brush-based map, which is better fitted for natural terrain (plains and mountains to name a few), at least from my experience. A couple of things about brush-based mapping:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOBEy-zIotE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubu76gEvM8 Got these from the YouTube channel of the same guy that I saw discussing HammUEr (that I linked above). Are you using Unity for your job? Or for personal projects? Interested in what you're up to with it, as i've just been going through some tutorials
Are you using Unity for your job? Or for personal projects?
At work: Only started using it once all the decent games companies near where I live shut down and we all had to do skeevy pay-to-win shit for mobile. I am loathe to admit being involved in any of that horrible crap, but it brought the doughnuts in. Personal stuff: All sorts...2d stuff, 3d stuff...A lot of proof-of-concept stuff that never really got finished, but some of it is interesting and I'd like to maybe do a write up at some point maybe but don't hold your breath. https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/5uf93s/ama_american_mcgee_pirate_jam/
For the next 2 hours with change. Ha, ah thats a shame. Well you do what you have to, eh. Unfortunately those are the companies that make money!
Write up at some point would be very interesting to me at least. I'm getting into it now, really only with an eye to do some silly little games or proof-of-concepts. Any good tips for communities / resources / reading? It seems like finding a shit-needle in a shit-haystack at the moment. Any good tips for communities / resources / reading? It seems like finding a shit-needle in a shit-haystack at the moment.
Any step-by-step guides out there are mostly going to be clusterfucks of irrelevant shit that don't really address the stuff that you specifically want to be doing with Unity. Instead - break down what you want to know into very focused questions about one little aspect of Unity, and simply learn by Googling one question at a time. Somewhere, someone will have asked the exact same question as you, and there will be decent answers to that question scatted across a million different forums like stackoverflow, and even sometimes on the Unity forums, or on the official documentation pages. Once you kind of know which systems of Unity and/or script functions you need to be dealing with to solve your problem, then its time to read about those systems on the official documentation. Once you get deep into Unity you'll realise how a lot of its systems are poorly documented "black boxes", and your only "resource" is googling to find others trying to do the same thing as you. Thanks, it's more or less what I thought.
Terrains are exactly what I'm concerned about, as well as various tilted/broken structures of complex shapes. Thanks for those as well.
I like the way that guy talks. I couldn't understand most of it, but I think I got the main idea. ha, maybe not exactly what i hoped to hear, but at least the "google your specific question" technique is reassuringly familiar. Pretty much anything i've ever coded is built upon stackOverflow ground, with varying degrees of shakiness.
Cheers for the advice! Does anyone have a working link to the Quake Info Pool?
The discussion on the Mark V thread about Quake hackiness reminded me of it so I went to have a look. I can't get it to load from either inside3d.com or insideqc.com, or even archive.org. Seems to be a lot of interminable redirecting or reloading going on? Maybe it's just my browser... (Chrome on macOS) Yeah, I get the same redirect loop in Firefox or Chrome for: http://www.insideqc.com/qip/home.shtml
Disabling javascript works around the problem though (I'm using this FF plugin) wasn't it changed into InsideQc?
http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-talk/single-player/12603-episode-3-themed-map.html Very solid metal themed map.
That part about drugs sown as something necessary foe work reminded me on how crunch work is regarded the same.
I didn't have time to watch the whole video (quite appropriate given the subject matter!), but that stuff about the drugs is some fucked up shit.
I guess in the past I've thought of him as an occasionally helpful guy who randomly makes snotty comments to newbs --- which I think a lot of people can relate to.
And he also had some sort of feud with gb. But in more recent times, I've seen him in the past troll Spirit and be happy Spirit doesn't post here --- which is a bit weird. And recently I've seen him pointlessly troll mh, which is twice as odd. All mh does is create engine code and mapping tools. Has he always been like this and I just haven't noticed? Or did he fall on hard times (unemployed? alcoholic?) If he's fallen on a hard time, I wish him well. I remember during first Map Jam, I specifically played his first map because I was excited he released one and was kind of curious to see what he made. Also if I argued against something he said, I would omit his name so he knew I was arguing against the argument, and wouldn't think it was personal. Maybe I just don't notice these things. No idea but I feel like it backs up my recent comments about func being a less inviting place than doomworld
You've made 2 maps ever, one of them of was a total boxmap. The other one was quite a bit better.
If you don't mind, I would prefer to only chatter with people with talent and ability or at least bringing critical thought to the table You post condescending crap like this and then wonder what is wrong with OTP!?! Maybe you should have a good look at yourself. I hope someone renames the thread to "What is wrong with baker 2017", so everyone will know from the title what to expect and follow Bakers wise words instead! :P Done talking about this boring subject anyway, fun stuff is what I like. Possible flow of episode:
M1 Base map (as per id convention) -> M2 polluting into a swamp map -> M3 entering into a ruins map -> M4 which enters a lost "lovecraftian" city -> M5 which has a maze like cultist church -> M6 that has a boss battle. Secret map -> whatever really. The focus would be on vanilla style gameplay and a vanilla aesthetic. Custom textures would be allowed and encouraged but they must be original creations. Looking for 6 to 7 mappers, doing one map each. One map will be a secret map. The duration of the jam will be longer so that mappers have time to make additional textures and so that the gameplay can be super polished. The level of detail should be vanilla or slightly higher. Restrictions: - No coloured lights, fog, or fancy skyboxes - Quake map protocol - Textures must adhere to the original palette - id1 progs (next time AD jam, sorry sock) I'm open to a different episode flow if you have good ideas and a good argument. Who is up for it? I'd certainly be interested in seeing it, but I don't know if I'd have the time to participate or not right now.
Is skaarj-like AI for a boss enforcer or Knight doable in Quake? Can dodge player weapons, and move and fire at the same time?
then the map would be replaced or they would offer their mapsource for somebody else to finish.
the pack wouldn't be released until it was finished. Especially swamp into ruins.
However I would say that fog, coloured lighting, and skyboxes should be obligatory rather than forbidden, because they can definitely enhance such themes, and mappers are generally using them really well at the moment. I can be flexible with that if enough people want it, I'm pretty firm with it being vanilla compatible though.
Hmm... What I might do is ask that the mappers to release a version alongside that is known to work in dosquake. Is a cool idea, however I see some potential issues :
1) People will fight over who gets to map what. IE everyone will want to do the Lovecraftian ruins map cos that's fucking cool. I suggest you simply set an order of progression and let the mappers decide the styles. 2) Silly restrictions. Standard Quake bsp format is fine, but no coloured lighting or fog/skyboxes is a unnecessary restriction. Those features enhance atmosphere. 3) Longer deadlines are a double edged sword. Too long and people lose interest and/or get lazy. 2/3 weeks seems to be the sweet spot?? 4) You will need to pre-plan weapon progression so that authors know what kit the player has when entering their level. As far as I'm concerned if I get the interest and announce the jam, then whoever gets in first can pick their map.
I'll drop the silly restrictions, I'll keep the map format and indexed textures as-is though. I want the maps to be polished, there will be a target release date, and I want to see the jam as a collaboration. I expect betas to be shared and tested amongst the participants. The weapon load out will be discussed and tweaked during this period. I am loathe to enforce a strict deadline. If need be see this not as a jam, but as a collaborative project. I'd be interested to see the jam be a thing but I wouldn't be participating myself.
But to clarify, you can use just vanilla textures if desired? The whole time allotted to creating custom textures thing seems weird to me considering how adamant you are about keeping it vanilla fresh. yeah, you can use vanilla textures.
The original episodes each had a unique feel about them. The reason why I want to incorporate some additional textures is to add a point of difference. I want it to have a "this could have been an unreleased or forgotten id map" kinda vibe to it, rather than "gee this feels like episode 2". No coloured lights, fog, or fancy skyboxes
All these options enhance and add to the atmosphere of a map. Not sure why you would take away the fun parts of the map creation process. Quake map protocol Why? Most people use modern clients and computers, we are not in 1996 anymore. Restricting protocol will not make people map faster or complete their map to higher quality. id1 progs (next time AD jam, sorry sock) I assume you will wanting to do something different with Chthon this time as you seem to be mirroring the style of episode 1. Also WTF no Triple Barrel Shotgun!?! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot! :P If you want to place restrictions to help people finish stuff quicker and not create large maps or monster death marches then restrict size and monster counts. Aim for each map being 15mins of gameplay with 3-4 secrets at most. Bear in mind that Id has made Episode 1 already, you don't want to make it again by enforcing 1996 restrictions. Let people explore the theme, create new parts and not simply repaint the E1 map source layouts! Decide on weapon progression early (including secret stash), which monsters appear in what maps and try to agree on skill levels and what they mean for each map. I would like to build an Id1+ map at some point, and what a way to continue 2017 for quake, a fan-made episode :) I'll have my eyes on this thread
Make it work like Doom? As in have every map be shotgun-started, but obviously have the shotgun-start be the harder route while the keeping weapons from the previous episode route be the "easiest". This is what I'm doing with Schlossherr (which I plan to go back once I'm done with my QUMP contribution).
I think its important that all maps as part of an episode should be designed with a Shotgun Start in mind as a standard, regardless what weapons the previous level offers - or at the very least keep those in mind and not worry too much about bumping up the challenge whatever players choose to do.
I always start from a clean slate once the next level boots up, it keeps thing interesting and should allows mappers to tailor gameplay to their level as they see fit for those who choose to take this approach. Sadly these details could be missed out on but find it's preferable to have that option available. Reminds me of a Doom episode still fresh on my mind, "Going Down", where some levels (ex MAP03, MAP15, MAP18, etc) can lose their unique flavour when carrying over weapons often reducing the tension or challenge. All maps should be finish-able with a shotgun start but I wouldnt delete all weapons on each map start on an episode unless you're doing a hub style start map as in AD.
but instead how about "AD Like Id Did" and do a 'what if id had made AD'?
You could have all the cool functions of AD but try to make it still feel like those classic 90's maps? I dunno, just a brain fart. I'm currently making small runic/catacomb map, trying to make it like id would have made it (when using TB). Is this episode going to a thing or not? I'm not using mods, just vanilla quake.
A small/medium sized classic map with Id1+ architecture (and texture alignment :P)
When I forced a shotgun start for each of the three maps in my last FMB, the only comments about that I remember were moans. I thought it was a good idea otherwise gameplay for the maps as stand-alone would have been skewed.
(And I though I had been so clever to bring a justifiable reason into losing the weapons: caught in a rockfall, and dropped them trying to jump across some lava - you know, they fell out of your backpack; doh! ) I proposed shotgun start the same way as Doom, e.g you shotgun start them only when you type in the map filename in the console, but if you're going in from the menu as usual, you keep your weapons from map to map.
You can play each level on its own if you like and are able to collect all the weapons available up until that point. So for instance, there's a nailgun in each level even though you might have picked one up in the previous map already.
It does not mean the player is strapped of all his gear with each level change! Of course, ideally everyone should balance their maps in a way that makes sure the player doesn't carry a huge amount of surplus ammo over to the next map. https://farm1.static.flickr.com/710/20796471039_a44ec09318_b.jpg
Anyway... Func might have flamewars, but much better than those sterile forums where naughty words are banned and most pedantic and time-free (cough) people spam the shit out of the place aka mw. I agree! Behaviour should be learnt and a filter will not change an arsehole into a friendly person
starting the game like "quakespasm -game bastion +sv_aim 1 +scr_menuscale 2 +scr_conscale 2 +scr_hudscale 2 +scr_conwidth 1920 +sv_aim 1 +r_maxsurfs 4000 +r_maxedges 16000 +r_farclip 16384 +skill 1 +map e1m1rmx"
either +scr_conscale 2 nor +scr_hudscale 2 does not seem to do anything, I also pls need some more limits removed because some maps crash at certain points, thanks Quakespasm has a few cvars for scale, try these:
+scr_conscale 2 +scr_crosshairscale 2 +scr_menuscale 2 +scr_sbarscale 2 which maps crash? egyptian "retrojam6_breezeep" crashes when trying to open door after multiple ambush in the dungeon/chamber plus "symphony of science" crashes when trying to pick up crowbar in the lab
* "retrojam6_breezeep" crashes after opening silver door (after the ambushes)
** console text still tiny Are you using the latest version of Quakespasm? I've never heard if sucheck a thing happening in my map.
If 2 is still tiny for you, use a higher number then. Just type the command in the console. Do you play Quake on a cinema screen?
Regardless of font size, you can just type "condebug" after the crash and copy the error message from condump.txt. Probably trying to run the map in AD or some mod. Quakespasm has a Scale slider in its preferences menu which tweaks multiple things at once. That has always worked well for me.
I have some video gear from my previous business that would make it extremely convenient to record demos posted here. I was wondering if people who post
So for example I'd take some MapJam I like watching Quake Grave etc. using Chromecast on a tv so that's why I gravitate more to streaming as opposed to just watching dems in game. What do people think? Would you be cool if CI recorded an posted your gameplay Excellent! I will probably do a trial run later this week and will startbwith some of yours.
You could check my speedrun of my first map on http://www.quaketastic.com in the demos/speedrun folder (file is gravelpitdayaspeed.zip, and needs quoth to play)
I'm trying to get my hardware to behave and record at 60hz/fps correctly. Something's going wrong in the pipeline tho. I'll figure it out. The way my setup works is HDMI out into a device called a Pix240i.
https://www.videodevices.com/products/portable-video-recorders/pix240i That's a specialized recorder for digital cameras I had left leftover from my production business. I can pipe in a mic to the recorder and do commentary but I'm not sure I'll do that for every video. Thanks for the feedback. Hope to have the refresh rate solved by the weekend so I can do some of these. The Pix cost me a fortune and I want to put it to use instead of buying another solution or using Fraps. Mugwump (aka bfg666) disappeared too, from both func_msg and quakeone.com Last login in January.
He was a huge spammer, so I wonder how no one noticed this anomaly ;) I usually pop in here to see anything new going on. When there isn't a new q1sp or a map jam announcement, I lurk.
#28994 neat.
For q1sp I imagine it would be complicated. This tool seems geared to more standardised maps / engines etc as it is online play Would need a way of uploading the necessary map/egnine and parameters for q1sp. Doable but. Why not with a nice beast of a machine and have it rendered in 4k just because. That's an interesting point about maps. I don't see a description anywhere of what maps igmdb supports for the different games... it's not just official maps, because e.g. in the Quake renders I see aerowalk and QW race maps, but yeah it has to be some limited set and there's no option to upload the map.
I'm 49 and have a wife, two teenaged kids and a dog. By the time I get off work I have zero fucking mental energy and desire to sit in front of a computer to map. (I sit in front on one all day) I have a metric fuckton of personal things I need to take care of too. My to-do list is exhaustive. It's depressing. Just had my yearly physical yesterday and the doc say I HAVE to lose weight and get more exercise. Big fucking surprise.
I have a great life - I really do have a lot to be thankful for - but man it would be so much better if I had more free time. It bugs me to read this forum and then not have time to do what I really enjoy - which is mapping. Just venting. Thanks for reading! Yeah IRL shit is kicking my ass at the moment as well. I havent really mapped since the speed mapping/24 hr jam.
Best of luck! Being exactly one-half good and one-half evil has advantages. When a portal opens to the antimatter universe, my opposite is just me with a goatee....
I wasted a bunch of time trying to get my video gear to capture successfully at 60fps and threw in the towel last night. Gonna screencap with Bandicam which works really well. A few more steps and we'll have some
I might have asked this before so apologies I simply don't recall. I searched the Blue News archive and couldn't find anything but I am looking for the "first" ever custom Quake level. I remember that it was released BEFORE the source code for QuakeEd were released however the source code for the compliers and the maps specs had been released so you could compile a
Anyone recall this map or know the name or other details? Thanks for the Worch link! I might have footage of him working on Sin. Don't recall if I do or not. I loved Quest. I honestly don't recall how texture alignment was done in Quest. I had to have used a more fleshed out version, because I do recall flat shading in Quest and the levels I still have from those days I was able to align door textures without notepad.
the two levels you linked to are not the first one sadly. :( I will double check Potpourri but I don't think so. Yeah Quaddicted lists https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/bc.html as the first SP.
Mention of "notepad" reminded me of the DM map https://www.quaddicted.com/files/maps/multiplayer/daskull.zip but that's probably not it either, too complicated. Maybe some other DM map? Yes it was def a tiny DM map. Forgot to mention it. I have some CDs of my old Quake files but I doubt I archived that map. Gonna keep looking.
Someone already made DUSK mod for Quake. They even share quality of execution: https://youtu.be/pcwowe80MHM?t=11m53s
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti,4972.html
Man, that's pretty crazy specs. I ordered a 1050 Ti the other day when I saw it on sale for under $150. Not the greatest but it'll be way better than what I have now.
a lightning somehow fried my vga so i have to buy a new one
i guess a cheapo evga 1060 sc will have to do for me at least quake runs flawlessly on integrated graphics, i can wait for now Are there any mods or ports for Quake that add nice blood/weapon damage decals to surfaces? I know that decals weren't originally in Doom, but bullet damage and blood make the visual aftermath of a fight a lot more satisying, and I often miss that in Quake. I'm pretty sure Darkplaces has this, but I'm looking for something closer to Quake's original look.
is for a small group running in secret. Any other collective mapping effort that anyone can see and jump in?
Well I'm working on something and a couple collaborators are also contributing so if you're interested in doing some mapping let me know. Be warned though that my projects don't tend to appear at a breakneck pace; I'm aiming for the summer.
What's the status on the Drake Merger?
What's the status on the 200 pending map reviews? What's the status on the ongoing manhunt for PM? You are awesome negke. At least someone is still paying attention.
It seems like I will never get PM to return and "finish" his mod at this point; he may have been raptured or something (I know he has other projects but I'm lucky to hear from him once a year). On the other hand it hardly matters since I've had little time for mapping for the past 3-5 years. Yet I do plan to complete the Drake Merger as best as I am able within the next year or two, but my nearer term project is an episode that will hopefully be a sort of "teaser" for the merger. It did occur to me to put the Drake Merger on a different mod; I haven't even played AD yet but I'm sure it has a lot of great features. However for Drake maps dragons, other custom monsters, and particular items like grappling hooks, are indispensable. Thanks for the offer of help Generic, I was hoping to give contributors an update back in December but now it seems like it'll be April. So I'll be in touch. The pending 200 map reviews will have to wait until the episode is out, at least ;) i did the heat gun trick with my vga and is working again! it works! the heat gun works
no new vga for me untils this one is totally broken the App knows I did it, and it's just waiting for right time to send the data packet
Has anyone else ever been punted to some shitty fucking fake "YOUR COMPUTER HAS A VIRUS" website, when browsing quakeone.com? Just happened to me now and it's not the first time...
If anyone's brave enough to try it, this is the link I clicked on (from a google search)
http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-help/servers-coding/10329-alternative-quakec.html And this screenshot shows where it kicked me to after a few seconds of reading that thread - it's obviously all bullshit... http://i.imgur.com/htjK1ir.png this ain't normal, is it? (see image below) I don't really see the "not secure" warning anywhere else....
http://i.imgur.com/e3wnLJ9.png Do you use any kind of adblocker? If not, maybe the virus or whatever it is was in some malicious ad displayed or scripted to appear on the page. This can happen even on seemingly legit websites if the ad hosting service has some of their stuff compromised.
Or maybe Windows Defender also protects the user from mental harm... being quakeone and all! dont worry, it is all gone off by now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis blabla pessimisctic stuff here, we are screwed... But the list of differences "under the hood" is enormous I imagine. Was just following the discussion in the MarkV thread about the differences in the MarkV renderer vs the QS renderer...
Is the original "authentic Quake" engine, from which QS and Mark V have forked years ago.
The latest version is 0.85, from 2008. It does not support BSP2, protocol 999, or fence textures. QSS is not QS.
The point of QSS is to support mods. Be they qc extensions or other features that a large mod might use like particles, or merely just bigger maps, even networked. QS (and fitz before it) on the other hand seems much more quintessential. The changes it makes are for good reason, only adding new features when someone actually NEEDS something, instead of because they might want it later, and then warning if it is ever actually used! QS also cleans up code, like switching to SDL instead of having separate win+lin+mac ports, and stripping the software renderer (which was a nightmare to maintain). I personally only see QS as distinct from from fitzquake because of the (significant) switch to SDL, they seem to have similar/continued goals to me and the lack of fitzquake updates kinda backs up that feeling. QS makes for a great base engine for forks, hence the number of engines that use it as a base. It would be a great shame if someone went and just copied over all the markv files over the top. MarkV seems to have different aims from QS+QSS, more of a sandpit than an actual goal (somewhat like FTE, but still much more limited, with many files with a single comment containing the words 'todo' in a way that indicates adhd...). I *think* merging QSS's features over to MarkV is one of Baker's long-term goals, but I get the feeling that its a very long term one... Mostly because I don't think he gives a damn about modders as he really has no experience of qc modding. Either way, merging stuff is never trivial, especially if someone already ported over incompatible stuff like qmb's particles instead of qss's... Large maps/fences/etc are a product of AD and it being popular enough to get people to care about it working properly. They seem supported more due to necessity than as actual goals. You can thank mh/rmq for it ever happening. Ultimately though, some people just create engines because they can - its much easier to bolt your own crap on the side than it is to figure out all the crap someone else bolted on years ago. Anyway, I'd better stop ranting before someone gets pissy about how I see things. I hope it returns and is more inclusive. These days everybody is after your data and personal information and seem to believe this is some kind of "right" that you must give them in exchange for using their service.
This attitude is pervasive and spans across ISPs, social networking sites, search companies, and even the Windows operating systems. The best defense is to be proactive and aggressive in counteracting these transgressions. Use ad blockers, block JavaScript, use a tracker blocker, and even a cookie killer. A VPN maybe even become necessary if nothing is done. I wish. unfortunately I've been finding less productive ways to spend my free time lately.
I keep thinking I ought to fix up my in-engine brush editor (yay networked map editing), but I can never find the enthusiasm to actually work on it. fte's downloads (aka: updates) menu got some tweaks lately, that's probably the most interesting thing lately, if you ignore bugfixes anyway. The android port got a new icon, if that helps any. ...alk08sp by Kona.
From 2005, this was a jolly single player romp in a deathmatch style map. Lots of body parts by the end, slightly enhanced by being in the right spot when some new monster spawned in. Rushing around often got me quite dead, quite quickly. Softly, softly catchee monkey (or Shalrath, Shambler etc.) Nice. The best defense is to be proactive and aggressive in counteracting these transgressions. Use ad blockers, block JavaScript, use a tracker blocker, and even a cookie killer. A VPN maybe even become necessary if nothing is done.
just use TOR u phaggets, lmao. ...SM103 from 2005.
It took many attempts before I could kill all 10 monsters in Neg!ke's map with just the axe - my skills have not improved with age! In Zwiffle's map I re-encountered the 'anglegrinder' bug as shown below in both normal and fullbrite modes:- http://imgur.com/PHUDCUp See the original forum post for the explanation as to why this happens in this map. More jolly romping. Absence of comment should not be taken as an implication of any form of dissatisfaction.
The gib fountain was certainly well executed, and the final sentiment was clear and concise. At first, I wasn't sure about the lighting but I stuck with it and by the end I was happy with its consistency. I played on the default skill level and overall was satisfied with my performance. Speculation: Might that be where the teleporter was designed with human-sized creatures in mind, and the larger fiend hitbox overlaps the teleporter trigger at the destination?
...the 100 Brush series 1, 2 and 3. Some good maps in there, some difficult but fair fights.
Now, what on earth was Necros on in his 100B3 map? mukor's ghoulish hand rises its ugly thumb again: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9KwMzNXYAAqzM4.jpg:large
I was thinking of buying Witcher 3 and noticed this in their system requirements:
"Please mind that we only officially support full-size desktop graphics cards" At 5.7in/144.78mm my new GTX 1050 Ti is considerably shorter than most desktop graphics cards. I wonder if it will work. :) Seven created a simple idle animation for the Vore model that doesn't require QC support and can be readily used in the game.
http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-mod-releases/finished-works/11595-a-5.html#post175352 There also appears to be a new Quoth episode that Bloughsburgh didn't tell us about: Rune of Blood.
Also "Lunacy's Cage" which was my literal first maps ever created for Quake haha.
Rune of Blood were my Quoth test bed maps and Lunacy's Cage my id1 test maps. Viewer discretion is advised. Holy shit I can't believe this place is still around!! Hasn't changed in years I see, site looks kinda funny on a 2560x1440 monitor with such a small fixed width though. :)
Thought you all might get a kick out of this.. trying some older games on my new GPU, got a GTX 1080 Ti! Set Quakespasm to gl_nearest_mipmap_nearest and forced some rather insane AA modes in Nvidia Inspector. With no texture filtering and these settings actually looks really slick! + 4xOGSSAA + 4xMSAA + 4xSGSSAA http://shadowdane.com/public/pics/quakespasm_notexfilter_4xOGSSAAxMSAAxSGSSAA.png ...digs06. Or rather I would have played it if my brain had not exploded half way through.
Great map and the theme was superb. But I seemed to get lost every five minutes, and extremely confused regularly. In the water columns I never worked out if I was supposed to go up or down and I seemed to find rooms that appeared not to go anywhere even though the paths to them seemed to be well defined. I think I may have played one Quake game too many. Oh well, on to the next. https://games.slashdot.org/story/17/04/27/1333236/xbox-chief-we-need-to-create-a-netflix-of-video-games
I don't use Origin but they have something similar I've read/been told. I'm just to old school to fall for renting "my" games! But what do you guys make of that? Apparently the new "Holy Grail" of software companies is to sell their product as some kind of subscription based service.
This is Microsoft's plan for their Windows operating system, no reason why they shouldn't try it with games also. The idea is to continue conning you out of your money for as long as possible resulting in much higher profit than a one time sale. #29087 top points for going for decent settings and not smoothed out bollocks, nice huh ?
Video games as a service......more disease. Frankly thats almost already it on consoles with the stupid fucking subscriptions to be able to play MP...except they get you to buy the game AND pay a subscription, top kek suckers! Looks lit bru.
Srsly tho - that looks really nice, and yeah - it would look nicer on a more hi-res model, but I like it regardless. Humph. Cancer? Seriously? A game skin?
What's with the verbal brutalism? Then again, #29097. Gaming forums these days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duj01hm3FTE&t=680s
crazy how 50k - 60k polys per model is considered a tight budget. Also, the end if the vid is gold XD UMKC recognizes Carmack's contributions to 3D graphics technology.
http://info.umkc.edu/news/they-have-touched-our-lives/ His tweet in response: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/860229545139548160 Possible? I know some alps use a Linux emulator to do Gimp and such on mobile, but do you know if there is something like Trenchbroom Mobile?
We need this, so I can poop and map!
I think for mobile it would be easier to use Unity to make some simple editor and deploy it to any platform you like instead of rewriting TB for mobile. The overhead required for emulation and VMs on mobiles is still well above what they can manage easily.
You would be better off using a modelling tool, saving as OBJ and then converting to map. If only there were good modelling tools for mobile. presumably you could just compile TB for arm linux, set up some debian/whatever chroot on your phone, install some x11 server app on your phone, and run it that way.
it would need to be a good x11 server if gl rendering is going to work properly though. of course, the lack of a physical keyboard with a shift key etc would make it totally unusable as-is, so probably not worth trying. I'm certain most modern phones (and by modern, I mean one for which the following statement is true, which makes it all rather than most but whatever) would have perfectly adequate performance to run a native port of TB, if such a port were made. Yesh keyboard+mouse is by far the faster means of mapping but...a simplified mapping experience could still be fun for waiting in long lines, waiting on your wife to get out of the bathroom, waiting on your wife to try on 10 different outfits before she comes out of the changing room etc.
https://usecubes.com/design
Now if only it had Quake textures and export to As it is I can sketch ideas. as the personality trait basis of political beliefs is an area in need of desperate investigation. As Jonathan Haidt has pointed out (and I'm not saying I agree with his relativistic views, although being slammed by social justice ideologues seems to have altered those views), there's a huge risk of educated people merely assuming that their way of thinking is superior - and yet some of these people don't believe in biological sex, placing them on exactly the same intellectual level relative to the empirical sciences, as creationists. The point Haidt makes which I agree with the most, is that intellectuals are just as susceptible as regular schmucks to cognitive biases - perhaps more so - but the fact that they assume they have transcended such biases is actually quite dangerous.
The real question is, if scientists ever do understand human personality, can we use that knowledge to more or less, fix politics? Because ever since I've been paying attention, we've been getting some pretty bad results. OTP floated the idea a while back to have one in June for Contract Revoked's 15th birthday. Any interest? I wouldn't want to organize it but I would do a map.
Buy my ID and I unlock your computer for bitcoins!
and yet some of these people don't believe in biological sex
Biological sex or gender? Because there's no such thing as "biological gender". All I heard from educated people so far is that gender (being a man or being a woman) is a social construct. From moral panicked people all I've seen is this confusion between biological sex (XX or XY chromosomes) and gender (what society built, throughout history, as male/female identities). I've never seen any educated people denying that XY gives you a dick and and XX gives you a pussy, which is a scientific fact, though I'm aware of people defending that Earth is flat and mankind never went to Moon, so... You would think that the people I'm referring to would take your reasonable perspective, but that's not the case. Here in Canada, on national television, a professor with a PhD actually said "It is not correct to say that there is such a thing as biological sex." Not gender, sex. This was actually just brought up in parliamentary proceedings this week because it's directly relevant to some very unfortunate legislation that probably WILL be passed, and then it may actually be illegal to simply conduct research in biology. Lol. Reminds me of Lyshenkoism in Soviet Russia.
You are giving people the benefit of the doubt and I understand that. I also don't want to exaggerate the problem because I tend to take, as one colleague of mine put it, a "Jeremiad view." However, after more than a decade in the higher education system I can confirm to you that many of the most educated people in the humanities and social sciences, at least in Canada, are as anti-scientific as any evangelical creationist, just on behalf of left-wing ideology as opposed to the right-wing ideology of evangelicals. The level of disingenuous ideological bullshit has reached insane heights and I can hardly imagine that even the medieval Catholic church took things this far, except possibly in the case of Galileo. Canadian evolutionary psychologist Steven Pinker's book The Blank Slate came out more than a decade ago and it was incredibly controversial merely for summarizing scientific consensus on these issues. Since then the problem has only gotten worse. Who needs reality when you have bureaucratic power? is also not defined so distinctly, you can have males with XX chromosomes and women with XY chromosomes. You can also get XXY, XYY, XXX etc ad nauseum.
People who like to draw clear distinctions are being narrow-minded, whether intentionally or through ignorance. I think there's definitely a current backlash for transgender issues recently since there's a lot of people creating new genders on the fly. I personally think there should be a different term altogether for it. To say you're a girl in the morning and a guy in the evening isn't being gender-fluid. It's belittling to real transgender people who typically feel a dissonance between their birth gender and their psychological gender. Also, I tend to agree with John Carmack on some political issues: people should be judged by their productivity and talent above all else.
Politics are largely pointless, despite their effects. not exactly changing the subject.
Quoth Kell Jam sounds fun. Make sure to require the latest version of Quoth, whatever the heck it was called. (2.2?) the thing that i don't like is people seeking to ruin other people lives for symbolic acts or "wrong" opinions, like the guy who landed a satellite in an asteroid and everyone was talking about the shirt that the guy was wearing.
shit like that makes me more hostile to proggresivism, the social justice zealotry the social justice orthodoxy (rejection of the science)... i don't know. there are a lot of those. science is not THAT popular, they're ideologues, not really social scientists. mmm...
i want to clarify what i tried to say is that i don't see that the problem is so bad. after all there are a flat-earthers, creationists, climate change deniers. there is one that says that the sun is merely a few hundred degrees hot, i don't remember the name. there is a lot of weird shit and conspiracies. the social sciencies also have that kind of stuff, but worse because social sciences are not hard science in general. Ahh...the bane of my mapping fame is my inability to create small maps. Would that I would gain legitimate use of my handle through proliferation rather than obscurity of maps.
-said every closet-mapper ever Good job keep it up! https://youtu.be/OGzVYyV_Jsg
heard about this a couple years ago, but I was under the impression it was a sequel film. Quick poll:
What is your favorite underemphasized mod? Don't answer with something like Quoth or AD. The point is underemphasized, the underdog mods no one/few have heard about. I remember playing a mod at one point which was a wave combat sort of thing - you'd go into a single arena and fight endless waves of monsters to try and get a good score. I actually quite enjoyed it. Don't remember what it was called though :(
I don't think I've ever played any Quake mods other than Quoth and Arcane Dimensions. I played Quake very little after Quake II came out and didn't come back to it until years later.
https://youtu.be/pRz_CG3DZb4?t=1m10s
this was a year ago, so the guy is talking about an older chip using a 28nm process. current chips are 16/14nm with 10nm just on the horizon. very soon we'll be at 5nm, the outer limit of conventional semiconductors. pretty amazing feat of engineering. Aside from "regular" mods, what Total Conversions have people played that are actually good? I've tried a few but they were just... weird and bad. I get that TCs tend not to be made any more but it seems like a few were produced back in the day.
I liked it because you could spam d-pad to get a gib fountain. Also 2048 is nice!
I think the most useful mods for me are the MP bots Reaper and Omicron bots. Most of my mapping experience over the years has been with MP. I also think DMSP is awesome for a quick adrenaline rush. I would love to discover more SP mods though (besides the obvious Zer, Quoth and AD)
http://mrelusive.com/oldprojects/obots/obots.html http://easttown.co.uk/quake/reaper.html http://strlen.com/maps/dmsp/ Quake was the Unity of its time. Despite being great for making mods, it was actually awful making TCs for it. Anything that deviated too much from Quake's design was an unstable pile of hacks due to engine constraints, and anyone that tried to replace all of Quake's content with assets made from scratch ended up making awful crap due to asset format constraints in conjunction with limited and/or buggy tools. Things have improved somewhat, but we still get people making Q1 MDL models with inverted normal vectors, for example.
The kind of people who liked to try to push the limits of the engine's flexibility and create wholly new games using it are on UE4 and Unity now. The fact that most Quake TCs are crap is a testament to how difficult its engine and tools actually were to work with, and to how talented the id Software team was. With this in mind, it becomes easier to judge Quake TCs by what they really are, and appreciate their upsides. The X-Men TC, for example, had great looking models for its time, and good textures. Its gameplay was panned, but it's actually one of the most polished TCs out there. I started creating Citadel on the Quake Engine. Darkplaces specifically. It's limits, even with all the additions and special features of Darkplaces, made recreating System Shock untennable. Specifically crouch, prone, leaning, and any other changes to the player's collision hull size are buggy or unworkable.
Unity is what I switched to. I still love Quake though. -Quake Master I found out recently that the developer of Papers Please (and upcoming Return of the Obra Dinn) was one of the main dudes who did the Malice TC. I have fond memories of that one being fun, and put together pretty well as Quake TCs go.
Wonder if I should ever retry that or if it would not hold up even as a nostalgia thing. related link, a cool point cloud fog/smoke effect he's adding to Obra Dinn
https://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=40832.msg1329818#msg1329818 Alternate spelling:Cuvfyfy in case Cuvfefe isn't unpronouncable enough.
In steak form
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3d4Mlk8O9g You know the BFG or Lightning Gun Syndrome? Where players hoard ammo for their most powerful gun and end up scraping by on weaker weapons and never actually use their most powerful weapon, because they are saving it for that super tough part that...oh and the level is over.
I wonder what would encourage use of the lightning gun more. I remember playing a mod at one point which was a wave combat sort of thing - you'd go into a single arena and fight endless waves of monsters to try and get a good score. I actually quite enjoyed it. Don't remember what it was called though :(
Maybe the DMSP mod? http://strlen.com/maps/dmsp/ I wonder what would encourage use of the lightning gun more.
If there was any monster that dropped ammo for it in the levels were we use it. Rockets can be used all the time against ogres because ogres give back the same amount needed to kill them. Soldiers give 5 shells, despite only needing 2 shells to be killed. I find myself always using shells and rockets because of this. I save nails for fights against large groups, and the lighting gun for fights against shamblers. Enforcers only gives 5 cells, which is a ridiculously low amount, and they only appear in levels where we have no access to a lighting gun. It seems to be a matter of scarcity then.
If I leave out ogres and grunts, provide more cells, and skimp on nails...ya that might work. i would like slower ammo consumption with the lighting gun. it's not only that it's generally scarce, but it's feels wasteful to fire the gun at the air by accident, or during a horde fight. also when the enemy is dead and you react in one second or 0.5 seconds
the ammo consumption is too fast, so you end up wasting several cells of an powerful weapon by accident. and the hoarder in every one of us don't like that assuming full ammo:
sg: 50 secs ssg: 35 secs ng/sng: 20 secs gl: 60 secs rl: 80 secs lg: 10 secs it is interesting to note that impulse 9 gives you 200 cells, while ammo pickups cap you to 100. imho, the issue is more the abundance of rockets. don't place the rocket launcher, don't place any rocket pickups (other than ogres). place ogres only after the player has already found the gl. Or just make it so the player can only carry 20ish rockets max (requires qc). Enforcers only gives 5 cells, which is a ridiculously low amount
In the stock maps maybe, but play any custom base map and you'll be at 100 in no time. For this reason Quoth 2 globally changed the enforcer pickups to 1 cell. IMO, bad decision, though. @pritchard
Your question was bugging me so I looked at Qonquer and also found ne_dynamic (along with the aforementioned DMSP.) https://www.quaddicted.com/files/mods/ne_dynamic.zip http://www.wantonhubris.com/qonquer/Qonquer.html http://strlen.com/maps/dmsp/ Your question didn´t bug me.
Quaddicted didn´t add Qonquer as it´s a mod. I had it available but it was denied. Quaddicted didn't add Qonquer as it´s a mod.
I had it available but it was denied. Quaddicted has a mod directory if you dig but I guess the don't want to publicize it on the front page - which is puzzling to me. Looking forward to trying Qonquer. I really like DMSP as it brilliantly makes use of DM maps and I've made a few of those. I took a look at Qonquer's dev docs from work yesterday - pretty intriguing. I'd like if it came with lossless digital multitracks too. Quake mods could really benefit from high quality remixed music.
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