mangle makes sense, anything that takes a 3 dimension vector uses mangle.

it's that one of the sunlight properties is "_sun_" and not "_sunlight_" 

So you only have yourself to blame. 

To make things more uniform I can add "_sunlight_mangle" as a synonym for "_sun_mangle" in my tyrutils branch. 

that sounds easy to do, hopefully doesn't break if some idiot uses both! I'm just perplexed that it was like that in the first place, all sunlight keys had to have been added at the same time.

Kinn: no shit? it's in the manual? thank you for your incredibly useful commentary. 

 

does anyone have the dkt2.wad file without fullbrights everywhere? the one on quaddicted is... bad. :( 

DktE2 (eg: episode 2 daikatana textures, the white roman ones) 

won't be the best quality, but if all else fails, just run the bad wad through http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61100 ? 

*twitch* 

https://blog.habets.se/2015/03/Raytracing-Quake-demos 

Interesting but the smug tone of that article is annoying. 

Man, quake is so old. Literally nobody knows how to run it any more! 

and the quake file formats are just so obtuse and poorly documented! 

Not even Steam! 

I think what people miss these days when dissecting Quake files is that the primary concern back then was size. Small size on the disk was of paramount importance. So that's why things are often 2 or 3 jumps away in various lookup pools and tables ... size. 

I went through all this trouble to use a modern raytracing engine, only to have the outcome look worse than a 17 year old software rasterizer. 

Heh, yeah, he could probably get most of this look through plugging a custom shader into DarkPlaces altho I guess that isn't the point. 

That guy is a bit dishonest by taking the time to make put Quake formats through Raytracing and finding that easier than running Quake...

He could've searched on Steam, Johnny Law has a great <a href="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=120426294
">guide</a> for setting things up that he could easily have read.

But I do think there is a bit of a usability problem for the general playing audience when the Steam release basically doesn't work out of the box and you have to resort to a damn guide to learn how to even play the game. Really sucks.

It'd be awesome if somehow we could have a workshop section for Quake on Steam, and it could include the latest engines (filesize limits might bite us there?) as well as we could stick maps and mods on there... there would be all the fucking ugly 'texture enhancements' there too but what are you going to do. Steam Workshop is basically that player facing front that we've all dreamed of since the earliest days of no one playing our fucking content... siigh. 

fuck you <a> tag, I am sick of your shit.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=120426294 

Scampie - That's not a bad idea. Where do workshops come from, does Valve have to birth them? 

I believe the dev is responsible for requesting it and maintaining it... the second part being what would kill it since I would assume id doesn't want to spent time curating a 20 year old game instead of their active SKUs (Quakelive would get a workshop before Quake does).

Might also need to pay Valve for the privilege, since they host the content. Unsure on all the details. 

There's also likely some Steamworks integration requirements there too... I think all games with workshops require that the game easily recognize the downloaded content, or at least have launchers that help players get to the content they downloaded. 

It sucks that Quake and Doom, and collections involving these games, are listed as Windows only on Steam. Because, as we know very well, you can use the data files from them on a Linux or Mac computer by providing your own engines for the games.

However, as I understand it, the Linux Steam client would helpfully prevent me from downloading them completely because they aren't listed as having Linux versions. I wish there were an easy way to work around this. If you pay for the games on Steam, you own the rights to use the data files and should be able to access them as simply as possible even from non-Windows setups.

But no, let's make things difficult by deciding no Linux or Mac user would possibly want to install and play these games

What am I to do if I want to recommend these classics to other Linux users? Suggest they pay for them on Steam and then use special means to obtain the data files from elsewhere on the Internet, because that is much less trouble? I mean, why would you have to install a Windows Steam client just to download these if you don't normally use the thing for anything?

System Shock 2 is available for Linux, and it is provided as the Windows executable that you then run under Wine. Wouldn't it be great if iD Software did the same, or if Steam allowed optional data-files-only downloads for games that have engine source ports?

Is there a petition I can sign? I'm pretty sure ranting here doesn't help, even though I'm sure everyone enjoys it greatly. 

Thanks, that tool was fantastic!