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Sorry For The Confusion... 
I meant the "warpzone rar" inside the link does not work. You can't download it, says "Invalid or Deleted File". 
Yeah... 
...nah... 
Command On Map Loading 
Is there any way to set a list of commands that are executed when maps are loaded rather than when Quake (Quakespasm in this case) is started? I prefer to disable fog but end up always having to open the console and enter "fog 0" on new levels or on loading a game. 
Can't Be Done 
But you could throw something hideous in quake/id1/autoexec.cfg

alias +no_fog_forward "fog 0; +forward"
alias -no_fog_forward "fog 0; -forward"
bind UPARROW +no_fog_forward

So that every time you press the up arrow key it disables fog. 
Slightly Less Hideous 
For a single command, the aliases and +/- aren't necessary, you can just stick
bind <key> "fog 0"
and then press whatever key for the same effect once the map's loaded. 
Fair Enough 
Keybind is fairly convenient anyway, surprised there isn't an option to disable fog completely in-engine though. 
My First Post 
what is this place for? 
Quake / Quake Mapping / FPS Discussion Mostly. 
 
Quake Maps And Wicked Banter. 
Welcome! 
Idea 
Fog needs to be locked unless player does noclip. Make so that it toggles r_fullbright at the same time. It's either all or nothing imo. 
#29977 
Why "lock" anything?

Anyway if you have the self control to not turn off the fog, it's simple enough to make it so that a single keybind turns on fullbright, noclip, fog 0, etc...

though restoring the fog value after you leave that "mode" would be awkward, if not impossible. 
 
Hardcode it into the engine that the player gibs if he tries tweaking any aspect of the visuals that go against the designer's intent.

Turns on blurry pixel mode? Gibby time for you mister...

"chuk-chun-chin-chi-chi-ngnol" 
 
Is it bad I have a keybind for noclip, notarget, godmode, fullbright on, and fullbright off? Mappers kit i guess 
Have To Get That One Myself 
 
 
Hardcode it into the engine that the player gibs if he tries tweaking any aspect of the visuals that go against the designer's intent.
I've heard stories of various Doom mods (wads?) that will kill the player or intentionally crash if they detect other mods being loaded at the same time, but having essentially zero experience with Doom modding I'm not sure how widespread/true they are. At least that's not a thing here, although a mod that does give a rude message when played in Darkplaces sounds like some cheeky fun.

Is it bad I have a keybind for noclip, notarget, godmode, fullbright on, and fullbright off? Mappers kit i guess
Nah, it's not bad until you have three copies of your \id1 folder named slightly different with identical contents other than the \maps folder so you can have one game for pure vanilla, one game to play downloaded maps, and one game to compile your own maps into. 
Oh...then...it's Bad. Really, Bad Since I Have A 4th For My Own Mod. 
 
Hue Test 
How good are you at perceiving different colors?

Take the test. My score was 21. 
 
I got a 4. :D

(lower is better) 
First Attempt: Got "0" 
Online ColorIQ Challenge Results
You have perfect color vision!


Aww yeah!

I have a rare form of Palinopsia, which basically means my vision looks like I'm tripping balls 24/7. One of the neat side effects is that I have superhuman colour perception. One of the not-so-neat side effects is that I cannot read white text on black without my entire field of view turning to snow/static, driving at night is scary as fuck, and if I look at a person's face for too long, it starts wobbling around in a disturbing way. 
Zero As Well 
I was really not expecting such a result 
 
if I look at a person's face for too long, it starts wobbling around in a disturbing way

Exporting them to MD3 should fix that. 
Better than I expected considering my dismal art skills 
Also 
Kinn is a mutant 
 
also got a 4... damn blue greens... 
 
I scored 23. Does this mean my career as a colorist is over, or does it mean that I was too cheap when buying this monitor, and probably should calibrate it better in any case?

I think the only real answer is that I'll never have a career as a colorist while using this monitor, at least. 
So, You Think You Are Good At Quake? 
Keyboard Only 
Ah, the good ol days. Reminds me of when I first played when I was 5. Every now and again I'll dust off my arrow keys. 
 
i used to play quake. then i took an arrow key to the knee. 
Dear Next Poster... 
Make this golden 30k post a divine moment... 
Cheap Nike Jerseys 
 
Superb 
 
Fucking Killpixel. 
 
Top Post 
 
 
About as useful and informative as the average killpixel post. 
Forgot The Link Though 
 
@damage_inc, Kinn From TB Tutorial Thread 
I was blown away by AD when I first saw the screenshots of it a couple years ago. Considering it now, I think it may be that Quake's world and engine are manipulating how I process the geometry. In Quake, there are no props outside monsters and packs of health or ammo. There are no displacements. The detail of maps is comprised almost entirely of brushwork. Simon and his compatriots in the AD mod just seem to be able to create these amazing curved, arched, rotated, spiraling structures that I can't even conceptualize in Hammer. Like Kinn said, I guess it would probably be possible, but you'd have to be going completely ham with the clipping tool to do it.

Judging by Simon's readmes over the years, he's been using SDRadiant 1.3.8 for over a decade, an editor I can't even find on Google. I just feel like Radiant (and maybe TB) must possess some more intuitive and speedy ways of shaping the complex geometry that they create. 
 
How did you take Kinn stating this: "There is literally nothing that you can do in TB or NetRadiant or Jack that you can't do in any of the others." into "I guess it would probably be possible... "?

I'm not trying to be argumentative or aggressive btw. I just don't see you comment as being valid.

I know Ionous was part of a few maps included in AD and he only uses Jack only. I'll ask him the next time he is streaming.

Cheers 
 
Any complex curvy structure is just a composition of simple convex shapes that can be made in any editor. Some operations may take one or two less clicks to do in this editor versus that editor. But then that editor might do another thing with less clicks than this editor, so it balances out.

Really, the choice of editors is down to which interface you prefer. The level you make comes purely from your imagination. The difference in quality between maps is 100% about the artist, not the tools. 
Unless The Editor Is Deathmatch Maker 
or Quark. Fuck those two. 
Alright Yall Win 
It's probably just me who can't envision it. I would really like to see someone recreate a room or two from ad_sepulcher or something of the like. So many map editor tutorials on YouTube and 90% of them are "here's how you make a box and put a spawn point in it". 
#30006, Internet On Fire Etc... 
Some cursory searching has revealed that SDRadiant is the Splash Damage version of Radiant - this pastebin claims it was for Wolf:ET! Certainly a curious choice of editor to still be using after all these years, but I suppose if something ain't broke, you shouldn't try to fix it.

Now, where you get SDRadiant from is another matter... Does anyone know if it's packaged in the Wolf:ET download? It'd take me about four hours to check with my speed... 
@sevin 
I must have consciously picked up on SleepWalker's Radiant inspiration when I tried TB out. I have tried nearly every editor out there. However, I have logged the most hours in Radiant. Both for Quake 3 and COD:UO mapping.

TB also reminds me of the first editor i ever used Quest.

There's no "best" editor IMO. I think TB is elegant and easy to pick up after not havbing mapped in many years. That's why I use it.

I could jump back into xRadiant any time. I just choose not to. TB is too much fun. 
And Another Thing 
Why are there so damn many forks of Radiant? 
But Can JACK... 
...do THIS
Feature Request: 
Escher mode 
#30014 
Very Nice 
I'd like to see the tris and how well it lights! 
 
I didn't try compiling it into a map. It's just a bunch of cubes with offsetting, rotation, shearing, vertex editing and a bit of triangulation.

Anyway, it was a bit disappointing to realize that the alt+rightclick tool for texture alignment is unable to make the texture alignment actually follow that path. Due to this, I couldn't use a scrolling texture to get the same effect of the animation linked by OTP.

The Quake BSP format uses a 2D projection on a 3D plane for texturing. This 3D plane uses a 3D projection to be rendered to the screen. I suspect that a 3D projection on a 3D plane would be required to properly align textures on structures like this. 
Mankrip 
With valve220 and by triangulating all your faces it is doable, I did something similar with obj2map, works fine. 
 
Killpixel: Here's the mesh.

Bal: JACK's generated .map file has a "mapversion" "220" field in its worldspawn.
But what Jack is actually missing is a Contour Stretch UVs Projection tool. This could help a ton of maps.

And I guess that for such distorted shapes, this would require 3D texture mapping, where the texture can have a depth projected onto the surface plane itself rather than only on the screen. I'm talking about a surface with a texture tiled in a non-linear way like this, rather than like this. Hmm, I guess that "non-linear texture mapping" is a better way to describe what I'm thinking about.
Linearly mapped scaling, rotation and shearing can at best produce results like this. It can't make, for example, a rectangular tile fit a trapezoid surface - and many curved shapes are basically a set of trapezoid segments. 
Mankrip 
No 3D modeling app does that though, you're only solution is to have more polies basically to hide the how the triangulation breaking up your UVs.

Still with valve220 + triangulation, you have the equivalent of UVs and can do in quake anything you could do in a modeling app with same ammount of tris. 
#30017 
Absolute madman. 
Func_Group 
Lunaran, Johnny Law mentioned that you wanted to make the Steam group public. I can do that, if nobody has any objections.

Any of you assholes live in SoCal? 
@Mr Fribbles 
I live in Los Angeles dude. And luckily I am an asshole. 
Dumptruck 
Haha, perfect!

I'm moving to Santa Monica soon, is why I ask. I'll send a shout out after I'm settled to see if anyone wants to meet up for some kind of asshole convention. 
Fribbles 
Come and hang out at nu-tf: https://discord.gg/9YkdqCu 
Fribbles 
Santa Monica? Nice. I'm in Burbank north of the Hollywood sign.

I hope you like traffic. It's getting bad in SoCal. But you'll have a straight shot to the beach on the latest metro line.

Yeah let's meet when you get settled. 
So Frib 
What takes you to the US? 
Some Polling Action 
If you would be so kind:

Level playtime
Level Structure
Protagonist 
Interesting Killpixel. 
You've picked some issues there that are 99% irrelevant to FPS game quality (I voted as such). 
 
Level playtime depends not only on the gameplay mechanics, but also on the savegame style and on the talent of the people making the levels.

For reference, Leptis Magna is the largest AD map which I've enjoyed enough to feel like giving it another full run someday. On some of the other maps, I feel a little too overwhelmed and it gets a little hard to mentally track down all the tasks (books, keys, secrets, etc, and their respective locations and puzzles). Without real-time saving and detailed status info (let's say, maps like Foggy Bogbottom would really benefit from a Metroid Prime style automap and a Doom 3 PDA style notes system), the more complex maps become more difficult.

On the other hand, some games out there feature big levels whose encounters/puzzles/etc are not complex enough to take advantage of their available space, and becomes boring. In this case, the way to improve them would be to make them shorter.

TL;DR: Great level design can benefit from expansions to the game's scope, while not-so- good level design can benefit from a reduction in their scope. 
 
The decision between episodes and a hub system should depend on the length of the levels.

Turok 2 uses a hub system where you can select each map individually, but each map takes a long time to be finished. Quake features an episodic hub system with multiple levels packed on each episode and where you can't select the maps individually, but the playtime of each map is way quicker. 
It's Odd 
Whenever these sorts of surveys come up, small maps arranged in episodes are always overwhelmingly preferred compared to a single megamap. For the time and effort it takes to produce a modern style megamap, a mapper could produce a really decent episode of smaller maps (something like the scope of Terra, or DOPA), so why don't we see more of them? It is just that mappers find it more enjoyable making big maps rather than episodes? 
#30034 - I Know Why! 
Modern mapping is about dick-waving. You want to make big, convoluted map with super detailed brushing. Gameplay must be at least 8h long. 1000 monsters is mandatory. If player's demo file is less than 20Gb, you're doing it wrong. 
 
@shambler - Is that so? I appreciate your vote ;)

@mankrip - I definitely agree.

@kinn - The current poll results corroborate the data I already have and it makes sense to me. Intense gameplay can become fatiguing rather quickly. It's nice to be able to get quickie rather committing a chunk of time to something you'll grow tired of half way through.

@khrathor - Hyper-detailed megamaps are awe-inspiring, incredible achievements IMO. The rub is that I have much more fun noclipping around slack-jawed than actually playing them. 
 
It's nice to be able to get quickie rather committing a chunk of time to something you'll grow tired of half way through.

That depends on the age of the audience. When I was a teenager with no job it was certainly easier to play long sessions, while in the last years most of my gaming has been on the bus. The megamaps in AD would certainly make it one of the top FPSs in the 90's, maybe the top one.

What's weird is that people who have lots of free time nowadays seems to prefer less intensive entertainment such as MMORPGs or binge watching Netflix.

I'd say to just define very well the kind of audience you're targeting, and go for it. There are all kinds of niches out there, you don't necessarily need to target everyone. 
Killpixel. 
Yeah man. I rate protagonist (as long as he's not as dull as fucking Jensen in DX), map linkage (as long as there is some and it's not unconnected gibberish like the latest Wofl), and map length (as long as it's not crazy short or days long) as pretty low factors compared to a game's, say, theme, flow, pacing, physics, movement, setting, aesthetics, exploration, gameplay-focus, architecture, bestiary, etc etc. 
Size Counts. 
Map length is a very important property. It hugely affects the gameplay experience IMO, and is also a big factor in deciding whether or not I can be bothered to replay. I agree the others aren't terribly important though. 
 
@mankrip - That and there are so many games now vying for people's time like never before. As for the target demographic, seems to be 30 year old males (20ish on the younger end, 40-45 on the older).

@shamber - Yeah, I get what you're saying and where you're coming from. When it comes time to make fairly concrete decisions (which it has) in regards to scheduling, staffing, allocating funds, etc, these are absolutely pertinent questions that have 100% relevance to the final quality of the game. These being some of the questions currently at hand does not mean that I haven't, and won't continue to, consider deeply the other aspects of a quality FPS that you mentioned.

So yeah, I'm coming at this from a logistical angle as opposed to a general theory angle. 
About The Age 
40-45 on the older.. I think you are out by a decade for some people ;) 
Age! 
Or two! 
JPL 
Definitely. I would say the average age of retro fps players/buyers is in the 30-35 range. 
So What Did I Do... 
To get blocked by @quake_txt on Twitter? 
 
Quakeulf, maybe he just doesn't like Quake II?

Who knows, especially if you don't recall have any interactions with the account.. 
 
I only retweeted and replied to some posts. Others who have done more for Quake 2 who have also strongly critisised the account are not blocked. It does not make sense.

What is going on? 
Did You Know? 
The original Rubicon turned 20 last Sunday. 
#30047 
Happy Birthday so... 
Quakeulf 
Don't worry about it; if it was a mistake (automatic filtering, etc.), they'd be already aware and unblocked you.

I've also been unfollowed by a number of people, and likely muted by some, though I don't remember seeing anyone block me. Anyway, social networking is... It has the potential to be a good thing, but the downsides are prone to be mentally degrading, so it's important to not let stuff like this cling to our minds.

It's important to train ourselves to not care about people's negative reactions to us. Particularly, I prefer to not even know when people block or mute me. I'm fine with anyone hating or avoiding me, it happened a million times in my life with lots of different people, and eventually I've figured out that caring about such situations is just a waste of time. Plus, nobody can hate me more than myself, so usually it's just laughable.

And some people just need time. Having the initiative to try to "make things right" when the initiative to "make things wrong" came from the other person is awkward and would just make things worse.
People change, and someday some of the people who hates us end up changing their mind, so there's no need to rush things. If they never change their mind, it's their problem. 
 
I'm sentimental about Rubicon.

I have a memory of looking up behind a pipe and seeing the trigger to shoot to access nightmare and I felt "smart". I was using FitzQuake because I thought that was the "right thing to do" for obvious reasons, despite preferring aguirRe GLQuake because at the time that was the only engine that could "play everything" including maps like the Red Masque of Death (huge Tronyn map, first limit buster map).

The next thought I had was realizing that GLQuake wouldn't have the texture visible because GLQuake didn't support fullbright textures.

At the time that meant engines like ProQuake and aguirRe's GLQuake. I think that might have been the first time I understood what the goals of FitzQuake were. 
Thanks Mankrip 
But I'm still blocked and there doesn't seem like I can get around it the way things are on Twitter.

I do suspect it is run by someone who is on here and/or the Discord-channel, so if you see this post:

What happened? 
New Jam Suggestion. 
For when DM4 Jam and any subsequent ones have finished:


End Map Jam.

Make a replacement End map for Quake's original rather underwhelming End map. The idea is to stick approximately to the End map's theme and to the original Quake's style, but make something more suitably climactic both in design and gameplay.

Rules:

1. Id1 only. Run in Quakespasm or whatever. No coloured lighting no fog.
2. Id1 or subtly modified Id1 textures only.
3. Map must start with dropping into the pit as per the current End.bsp, and must include Shub in some form.
4. Map should feature some form of cavern/cave system as per the current End.bsp , mixing this with other themes and structures are allowed and encouraged.
5. Map should stick to approximately the maximum level of detail in the most complex stock Quake maps. This isn't a rigid requirement but is to focus mappers on making a suitable End map that would be the finale of the Quake game, rather the mega-detailed mega-complicated 2018 epic.
6. Any other queries just stick to the fucking theme okay.


Thoughts? 
Sounds Good 
Sounds like a great way to get people to focus mostly on gameplay instead of spending 90% of the construction time wanking over brushwork :D 
Well 
Like the Jam Idea, but hate your rules, especially 1. (cause of coloured lighting & fog) and 5. (I want to make a mega-detailed mega-complicated 2018 not-epic.) 
Sounds Like 
A good plan for June 22nd. 
 
@Shambler

I think you don't even remember this, but i just found these two screenshots in a really old CD-RW =D

Some crap "art" i did 17 years ago, when you closed the doors of TeamShambler reviews:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L1dJ7bNfMXI/Wp1g87Hu31I/AAAAAAAALi4/8c8qZfuiK90kBeC8oHPdTGy3Je6GhLE8QCLcBGAs/s1600/shambler1.jpg

And it became the pic of the day on planetquake =D

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7ES0R2fTZc4/Wp1g55kbEBI/AAAAAAAALi0/OCILcwUTmWArc3VaEEieih-ivoGfwWozgCLcBGAs/s1600/planetquake1.jpg 
 
@tribal

That was you?? Wow, I remember that well, it was pretty touching <3 , I think I had it as a desktop for a while after :)

@Bal

You're not invited to the Jam, what bit of "making a suitable End map" are you struggling with?? :p 
 
imagine if Tribal was actually TriBal and we had three embodiments of Bal. Quake mapping would be pretty nuts. 
Maybe If I Merge With Tribal... 
We'd get QuadBal. 
We Already Have TrIDaz Tho. 
 
@Shambler I Really Like This Idea... 
It's pretty restrictive but hey why not? I can live with it. I'd reach out to Ionous if you decide to move forward with it. I think he has some upcoming plans for another jam. If I had known ahead of time dm4 jam may not have happened. 
@Shambler I Really Like This Idea... 
It's pretty restrictive but hey why not? I can live with it. I'd reach out to Ionous if you decide to move forward with it. I think he has some upcoming plans for another jam. If I had known ahead of time dm4 jam may not have happened. 
@Shambler I Really Like This Idea... 
It's pretty restrictive but hey why not? I can live with it. I'd reach out to Ionous if you decide to move forward with it. I think he has some upcoming plans for another jam. If I had known ahead of time dm4 jam may not have happened. 
Damn, A Triple Post... 
Hey, wait a second! 
@spy 
It's the server not me! 
 
it's probably happening at the browser level, it's submitting the form twice. I either need to block it on the server or disable the submit button on the client after you submit once. 
 
Blocking it on the server works better, because at least the server will have received it.

Unreliable mobile networks often fails to send data, forcing the user to re-send it. I've already had problems with websites doing the "disable button" approach, thus forcing me to reload the whole page and start everything over. 
Does Anybody Still Play Deathmatch? 
I've pretty much finished a single player map (still looking for some people to playtest it though), and I'm wondering whether it's worth the trouble of making the necessary adjustments to make the map work in deathmatch. Does anybody of you still play dm, let alone on newly released maps?

I'm just frustrated, because I've spent about six hours working on dm modifications, and at some point, during my tests some func_doors/plats started glitching. I have a feeling it might have something to do with me placing simplified dm func_doors over more complicated single player doors that are killtargeted at some point, but at this moment, I can't be bothered trying to pinpoint the root of the problem.

Personally, I don't play deathmatch (although I probably would if I had family/friends here that wanted to play it too), but even if I don't play, I like to keep the possibility there on my maps, JUST in case somebody wanted to play dm. Also, I'm kind of perfectionist in that regard, feeling like the map's somehow broken/incomplete, if it can't be played on dm. 
 
The few people who still play deathmatch stick to a very limited set of maps, so don't expect any interest from that direction. Plus single player levels are often not favorable for dm because their layout and spaces are not as tightly focused as in dedicated dm maps. In this sense, it's not worth the effort.

However, you can still put some dm stuff in if you like! I support DM in most of my maps just for the heck of it. It's a fun bonus challenge to make things work on both modes. It shouldn't break the single player part of course. As for your doors, instead of killtargeting them you should probably make them spawn only on dm in the first place (combine not_easy + not_normal + not_hard spawnflags = only dm). 
I Think It Still Doesn't Work 
Actually, I did what you suggested right from the get-go. Allow me to explain: My SP map consists of multiple partially exclusive branches, where some doors are openable only on one path and closed on the other. That's why I have this convoluted system of killtargeting the other paths' doors when the player chooses a path. It has nothing to do with killtargeting the doors for deathmatch mode. Sorry for not providing enough background.

Making this map had me learn the hard way, that you can't have other entities intersect killtargetable entities on the map file, lest you want them glitching out ingame. So on this map, instead of placing two versions of the same door (one for each path) inside each other, I had to clip the doors and make sure they didn't touch each other.

And unless I'm mistaken, the rule seems to apply even if the entities are set to spawn in mutually exclusive skill levels/deathmatch: My doors/platforms are broken because my DM doors (set to spawn only on dm) are intersecting the killtargetable SP doors (set to spawn only in sp). I haven't tested this conclusively, but based on today's fumblings of mine, that's my current hunch.

But yeah, I also do the dm adjustments for the heck of it. Maybe not because it's very fun for me, per say, but more like for the sake of completeness. I mean, the original id sp maps are playable in both modes, so unless my map's completely unsuitable for it, it should be made compatible, as well. Oh me and my stupid obsessions, right? :) 
 
I don't see why killtargeting intersecting doors should be a problem. And definitely not across skill levels/game modes. Maybe you didn't set doors_dont_link somewhere? 
Make Sure You Set "Don't Link" Spawnflag (4) On Touching Doors 
 
Dumptruck, SleepwalkR 
Sounds good dumptruck! I've just got temp housing for a short time in Santa Monica, scrambling to find something else asap. I'll ping you when the dust settles.

SleepwalkR, nice to hear from you bro. I'm just over here for work. It was here or Berlin, but the wife doesn't like the cold... hah.

Sorry for the late reply! 
I Learned Stuff Today 
I did some testing, and it seems that doors DO work right, as long as they are not made to spawn at the same time, so negke's original suggestion was correct. So it looks like some other dm modification of mine broke my map causing some func_doors/plats to float in random places (they can't be touched and are visible at some points and then disappear at some other points; maybe the place-dependant visibility has something to do with vis, which dictates when to render them). Guess I gotta save and test my map more often, when doing the dm modifications next time.

My test map has four doors, or actually seven doors, where three of the doors have two doors overlapping each other. One of the doors in such a door set is a regular func_door with no triggers, while the other one is a door with the targetname "killable door".

The first door from the left is a door, which spawns both of the doors regardless of skill level or deathmatch flags. That door glitches out always when I play the map: When I press a button that killtargets the killable door, it also eats the other half of the regular triggerless door (a double door, which btw should be opening when I get close enough, but in this case won't budge).

The second door set is built in a way, that has both of the doors spawn only in easy skill level. In all other modes only one of the doors will spawn. That door works, as long as you don't play the map on easy, i.e. when only one of the doors spawn.

The third door set is a variation, where the other door spawns only in deathmatch and the other only in single player. No problems there, since there never is a situation where both of the doors spawn.

The fourth door is kind of unrelated to the whole dilemma. It's just a test on an alternative method on how to have the doors behave differently depending on skill level or deathmatch flag. I just put four trigger_multiples in front of the door, each opening the door in their respective play modes.

One final note: While writing this post and after already having uploaded the test map, I decided to fiddle around with the "don't link" flags, after remembering Qmaster's suggestion. Maybe the door linking causes the killable door to kill some of the triggerless door. I tried adding the "don't link" flag for both doors, which sure enough prevented the killtarget from killing any part of the triggerless door, but the triggerless door still refused to open upon approaching it. Only now did I discover that the "don't link" flag disables the func_door's ability to open automatically without a trigger. I was able to solve the problem though, by giving the door a triggername "regular door" and then putting a trigger_multiple in front of it.

So thank you, Qmaster! :) It seems that door linking was the root cause of this weird "killtarget door affecting other doors" behavior! Now only if knew just what it was that caused my doors and platforms glitch out in my main map... T_T 
Not Quite Generally Abusive Text, I Know 
Just as an addendum, I know that my previous post was heavily mapping stuff, but I didn't want to move the post to Mapping help, away from the discussion chain, which started with me asking about whether people still played deathmatch. Come to think, I should have probably posted that one in the mapping thread from the get-go, since that post had also mapping related stuff in it. So, apologies for the misplaced discussion! 
Yeah Berlin Can Be Cold 
But the summers are super nice! If you ever make it here, let me know ;-) 
I Was In Germany One Summer. 
The week started at 34'c, cooled down briefly to 26'c for a day or two, then went back up to 35/36'c. It was not the cold I was looking for. 
Esreal 
Normally doors that touch (not necessarily only the brushes but also their bounding boxes) are linked. This means, for instance, on a door where one part moves to the left and the other part to the right, if the player approaches from one side, the other side opens as well, or if one side is blocked, the other one acts correspondingly (as opposed to one side opening while the other remains closed).
The "don't link" spawnflag makes each func_door an indivual entity independent of its surroundings and other doors it touches.

Unrelated to this is that a func_door with a targetname will not generate a trigger volume of its own so you must create a trigger_once or _multiple (or some other entity) to make it open. The "don't link" spawnflag has nothing to do with this. 
Are You Sure? O: 
I tested just the "don't link" spawnflag again without any targetnames on a different simple test room, and it seems to me that the "don't link" flag on a func_door entity prevents the door from generating a trigger volume around itself; even if there is no other func_door touching the "don't link" door. It just doesn't budge. Perhaps you could try it out yourself, and if you can get the door to open itself with a "don't link" flag, I'd like to see the map. o: 
Quake Soundtrack Babble 
Truth 
Aaaaaaaargh 
REtards 
It uses polygons + game is dark and brown + 1996 = Quake 
Caffeine Offering Revenue To Game Developers 
Caffeine.tv is a new livestreaming platform in development. They are planning to let game developers get a share of revenue from having their games streamed. There are no details available yet, but here is a small announcement and an invitation for game devs to contact them.

https://medium.com/@benkeighran/when-broadcasters-make-money-game-developers-should-too-17184b03ccb2

No idea how many cents you could make to fund your favorite Quake editor's development with 24/7 mapping streams. I guess that might not be the intended use of this feature.

However, I thought it's interesting enough to share, in case you want to follow how they implement their idea in the future. 
 
I'm more interested in the fact I've been spelling 'caffeine' wrong all these years when I'm not caught by spellcheck. I before E except after C, my ass. 
Ciaffiene? 
 
Relevant 
Shambler: environments can be hostile without being empty repetitive and characterless, killes
Killes: no 
I Imagine Killes More Like 
 
No idea how many cents you could make to fund your favorite Quake editor's development with 24/7 mapping streams. I guess that might not be the intended use of this feature.

The game is Quake. The money would go to id/Zenimax. 
Ever Notice 
How dead it is on here on Friday evenings. 
Enjoy The Silence 
Hey, if it gets any livelier in here a funeral might break out! (queue cheesy drum roll.)

Seriously, I used to live next to a cemetery... 
 
People are having sex. With Shub-Niggurath. 
Drinking 
Is what they are doing I suppose 
Whaaht?? You Mean We Aren't All Mapping?! 
 
QueueMaster 
You must be from England...! 
@redfield 
A bunch of ppl mapping for dm4jam. This place might liven up a bit Monday or Tuesday. At least I hope so! 
Hooray! 
 
:( 
I've tried mapping for a little bit but I just can't get my head into and/or around it...

Still, I'll keep plodding on and I'll keep enjoying the great things you guys put out. :) 
 
Ha!

Storytelling in Quake is quite different nowadays. 
@Hipnotic Rogue 
Have you tried my TB2 tutorials? 
Lightmapped Static Meshes & Portal Skyboxes In Quake 
do either of these things exist with modern tools / engines? 
Hmm 
Lightmapped static mesh: only as an external bsp....actually I think those are fullbright now that I think of it.

Skybox: nope. 
 
What is a "portal skybox"?

Anyway, the only widespread skybox format in Quake is the Q2 style one. 
 
@qmaster - interesting... and lame! So meshes would be vertex lit...

@mankrip - a.k.a 3d skyboxes 
How About Lightmapped Water? 
plz say yes. 
 
do either of these things exist with modern tools / engines?

Does using quake 3 bsp in FTE / DP count as "quake"?

If so, then it's a yes for lightmapped static meshes baked into the bsp i think.

I've no idea if anyone has ever tried making a single player quake map using q3 bsp though. Certainly, I've never heard of one. 
 
yeah, just curious if that stuff has made its way into q1bsp. I know q3bsp has had that stuff for some time. 
 
Lightmapped water is in FTE, i believe. 
 
Does using quake 3 bsp in FTE / DP count as "quake"?
About as much as using bsp2+skyboxes+lits in the same engines does. 
@30109 
External bsp models (i.e. ammo boxes) aren't inherently fullbright, just the vanilla ones are brightly lit so as to appear as such. Engines with vanilla-style behavior (i.e. QS) directly display the model the way it's lit in the external bsp; more eyecandy oriented engines (i.e. Darkplaces) will either use the same behavior or light the entity as if it were a brush model within the map itself depending on what snazzy lighting options you have chosen.

If you open up the source for one of the id1 external bsp models (they're included in the Quake map sources download with all the E1-E4 maps, start, etc), you'll see it's just a brush/brushes (literally one square brush for an ammo box) with a couple lights placed around it to light the model. 
 
RTLights are overkill for when the user just want the ammo boxes to adjust their light level to the world lighting.

That said, most pickup items in Quake don't have fullbright-colored details, and can easily be missed when their lighting is adjusted to very dark places. I've had to add _luma maps to all ammo boxes' external textures due to that. 
 
Just within the past several days:

- Mueller subpoenas the Trump Organization, demanding documents with regards to ties to Russia. (Note he had the option to simply request the documents - he opted to demand them by law)

- The mask comes off Cambridge Analytica's influence in multiple past elections via using "leaked" personal data from Facebook.

And now: Trump declares he will meet Putin (whom he has already congratulated on his "election" "victory") to discuss limiting an arms race and boosting economic cooperation between the two countries (via AFP).

This is going to be the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact 2, isn't it. RIP NATO. 
We're Through The Looking Glass Now People 
Mid-terms are our only hope at the moment, but I am not too confident in my countrymen. 
I'm Confident In The 2018 Red Wave 
For you brits, sorry to hear about the sell-out. So much for a clean brexit. 
As A Canadian 
Our leader is the biggest joke in the world. Still, we haven't banned people from our country for saying that Islamic fundamentalism is kinda fucked up or criminally convicted Youtubers for making jokes like the UK just did. Jesus they would CRUCIFY classic comedians like Bill Hicks and George Carlin these days. However make sure to use my proper pronouns Shalrath and Voreling's or I will report you to one of our "Human Rights Commissions" which will turn your life upside-down lol.

And our intelligence services I'm sure are doing some nefarious shit as we are part of the creepily named "Five Eyes"(speaking of Shub...), but not as bad as GCHQ or the American Deep State, which seems determined to protect Hillary Clinton, the single most corrupt presidential candidate in American history, at all costs. Who cares if the DNC rigged the primary against Sanders and Wikileaks exposed it (and they've never even denied it lol in court the DNC lawyers actually argued the DNC had the right to rig the primary as part of free speech, that makes our system look pretty damn good in comparison). Let's all just sit by while the CIA announces they're going after Wikileaks with a 300 person team, all for doing what journalists are supposed to do - publish information from whistleblowers.

https://contraspin.co.nz/beingjulianassange/

As Tom Waits put it in "God's Away On Business," "The ship is sinking." 
Politics On Func_? Oh Boy! 
I'm pretty sure that 45 is giving HRC a run for her money on the "most corrupt" status.

In any case, American soft power is as weak as it's ever been at this point. Trump is being curb-stomped by Putin and Xi, which... is not a lot of fun to watch. I really need to start learning Mandarin... 
Something Like Python Control API For Q1? 
Hi all,

Is there something like a Python based interface for quake?
It would make life easier if you want to link it with some neural network research and train bots or 'players'.
(Real life work include machine learning and human movement so Im interested in bringing a bit of quake fun in my life again :) )

Any pointers appreciated.

Cheers

PS: Im aware of Doom links to reinforcement learning. 
Daemonix = Carmack??? 
I'm unaware of any Python interface but I know Joshua "Skelly" was doing some kind of Python project for Quake. You can find him here: https://twitter.com/JoshuaSkelly 
No, It Has Not. :( 
 
Gucci Shades On My Braids When I Escalade 
 
@dumptruck_ds 
hehe just call me J :)

Thanks for the info Ill text him and see if he is working with Python or some simple API. 
Ok, The Cantilever Counterbalance Thing Convinced Me... 
#30134 
Pffftt. I was always taught that it was because the cost of real estate was based only on the extents of the ground floor area, so they "cheated" the system by bulging out the upper floors. 
That Verywell Could Be The Case Nowadays. 
The answers change across history of course. 
Sp Map 
you come to a tall black (runic/metal?) spikey tower in deep chasm, later you go in and fight in semi-open dome, not dm4jam_breezeep, not dm4jam_bloodshot, not unforgiven 
Maybe It Is The Map In Your Dreams, One You Will Make Yourself 
 
 
Really black structures in dark backgrounds doesn't look good without bumpmapping. Some kind of lighting is needed to make its shape recognizable. 
What's The Status On Https? 
feels scary logging in here :-o

It was quite easy to set it up on my server... 
System Shock 1 Source Code RELEASED (MAC) 
For those interested, the source code for the original System Shock (1994) has been released. Please refer to here for all future mod/code-delving discussions:
https://www.systemshock.org/index.php?topic=10009

Synopsis: MAC version only, but all game logic is present. Night Dive Studios to release a mofied version of the source code at a later date for free to anyone who owns the System Shock Enhanced edition. This will bring much needed features into the game directly in NDS's port for PC.

I for one, will enjoy using this to help with my fan remake to help replicate a few details in the game: http://www.indiedb.com/games/citadel (shameless plug)

-JosiahJack, aka Qmaster
P.S. Citadel is my other project I work on when not mapping for Quake or updating my Keep mod. Go map! ;) 
#30145 
no https because someone MiTM-ing your func account and using it to shitpost will be the hilarious af 
 
hilarious af rn frfr famalam 
#30146 
Citadel, sounds exciting, is gorilla-tiger mutant ready? will run under Win Vista SP2 64bit pls? 
Gor-Tiger Detected At 83m, Idle 
Should Work On XP+ 
 
Enjoyed 
both System Shocks and first two Thieves a lot some 15 years ago (and both Ultima Underworld games before) 
So. 
Remember Maddox, that angry internet guy with hilarious rants from the last decade and a half? He's an absolute joke now.

https://medium.com/@OtherkinLawyer/lolsuit-maddox-dick-masterson-fa9c4a4f4686 
Otp 
if you refer to me, remember that I have never had a bad word about a purple ox 
Madfox > Maddox 
Maddox is an interesting example of the "arc" internet celebrities seem to go through, from getting an audience by rebelling against the bullshit of their day and thus fulfilling a public demand for common sense, to letting it go to their head, becoming out of touch, condescending to their own audience, and lashing out like fools (there are so many examples).

Madfox on the other hand, just consistently kicks ass. He brings Dr. Seuss to Quake. Btw Madfox I played your last map and loved it (lol the swarms of flies were awesome, layout was good too, atmosphere very retro), but I haven't had a chance to do any new reviews since the AD one. 
So .... 
I decided to a bit of spamming.

Not SleepWalker/TrenchBroom 1.0 release spamming, but rather Baker "slightly bored level" spamming.

While conducting some "I can't think of anything on Netflix" level boredom spamming, I post at ESReality and get flagged as spammer.

So I email, and who replies? Sujoy!!!

The Quakeworld rocket jumped out of lava guy!!

/Lame story ... perhaps ... but better than the nothingburgers the rest of you twats aren't posting.

/Oh yeah, fuck you. Figuratively. Like I figure that is the right thing to say. Because ... like seriously ... why is it dead silent here.

(Attempt UK impressionist post. Probably failed. Whatever ...) 
 
Oh wow! I asked Sujoy to fix broken image links and he did!

/Better than you arseclowns! Take that, mankrip! Why single out mankrip you might ask? Well, if I said 'Take that Shambler! there is a chance he might ban me. So yeah, that's why!!! 
 
like seriously ... why is it dead silent here.

Judging from the DM4Jam release, they're mapping. There's a lot of good momentum thanks to TrenchBroom and dumptruck's video series. 
 
/Twas a joke, mk :D 
 
Kind of crazy that Sujoy is still involved with that site/community.

Fun to hear the old names... makes me want to go sit in the Stanford CS building basement playing 3wave CTF all night again. 
He-can't-keep-getting-away-with-it! 
I GOT THE FLAG!!!!!!!!!!!! 
I'm not really old school -- I'm faux old school like a pretender that values the old school culture, but yeah --- wasn't there.

That being said, I did a double homage in the QuakeDroid thread:

This pic ...

http://quakeone.com/quakedroid/media/rubicon2.png

1) Screams FitzQuake metslime.
2) I GOT THE FLAG!!!!!!!

I couldn't resist the CTF reference.

**** I GOT THE FLAG!!!! **** 
Wow 
@sock that looks tedious. I tend to func_detail and plan my brushes for detail as I go but to each his own. 
I Agree... It's Quiet 
I think it's because #tf Discord channel is so popular. i.e. ~95% of the conversations re: DM4Jam happened there. 
 
rabble rabble discord ruins every community it touches etc 
@Spud 
I love func and assume it's not going to change much (for good reason) but Discord makes it very easy to share images, links and embedded streams etc. it's really enticing compared to a simple forum. It's a different experience to be sure and func cannot be beat for archival information and its vast knowledge base. 
Silence The Discord! 
Wait wrong game reference. 
RE 30161 UK Impressionist 
lol, read it in Red Dwarf's Lister's voice 
Christ Has Returned! 
Hmm 
Never heard of him before, BicMacDavis that is! c; 
And That's Never A Good Thing! 
 
Textures From The Blender Foundation 
There is a curated collection of images and textures for 3D work on the Blender site. The license is CC-0: free to use anywhere, for any purpose.

https://cloud.blender.org/p/textures/ 
Co-op With Some Friends 
Hi!

Me and a friend decided we should put on Quake and play some custom maps and custom campaigns together (and probably we'll have some other people to join us too) and maybe do even some deathmatch from time to time.

My question is... well, I really like the Quakespasm engine.
But I don't know if it's really that great for this purpose.
I know it's the most used and most functional with custom maps though, and so what I want to know is if it's possible to play such levels in co-op with that engine. I mean, we don't want to curse each time we have to host the game, nor using some odd software to do that. So, is Quakespasm good to go, or should I look onto some other engine (any reccomendation if so?)? 
Yup QS Is Good For Coop. 
Keep calm and carry on. 
Coop Online 
For local Coop (on a LAN) Quakespasm would be fine. But for Online play you'll probably want to use FTEQW.

Keep in mind whoever will be the server needs to poke a hole in their router to allow connections. It's not impossible but info is tough to find. FTEQW has a wiki though and you should be okay. Good luck!

http://fte.triptohell.info/index.php?p=downloads 
Yeah It's For Online Matches. 
Thanks a lot! 
Whoa, Hold Your Biscuits 
If you really like Quakespasm, but want the networking superiority of FTE, then use Quakespasm-Spiked

It was specifically made for this exact scenario. 
And The Linkeh 
@Kinn 
It was specifically made for this exact scenario.

I was unaware that QSS had any network improvements. I thought it was solely the FTE/DP visual effects. Very interesting and good to know. 
@spike - Sv_gameplayfix_setmodelrealbox 0 <----- 
Quoth 2.2 added some stuff to try to support DarkPlaces by turning off all the irregular stuff stuff in DarkPlaces.

Sadly, unless you want to weird up Quakespasm Spiked you better not call your cvar sv_gameplayfix_setmodelrealbox.

Quoth will decide set it to zero, changing the normal behavior of Quakespasm to whatever physics irregularities await for sv_gameplayfix_setmodelrealbox 0 --- which will cause a FitzQuake style engine to not use FitzQuake style bounding boxes.

What will happen? I don't know. 
 
QSS still has no network prediction. If your players are in different countries then FTE is still a noticeably better choice.
Vs QS, QSS provides proper network nack-compression (using FTE's network protocol) meaning much higher entity limits (at least for mostly static ents like monsters, while dynamic ents [like AD's qc particles] will still have higher limits but at the cost of slight potential lag).
Mods like AD can FTE's/QSS's particle system to perform effects clientside instead of serverside, which has significant reductions.
Note that the visual effects in QSS have defaults that exactly match QS (unless a mod or user explicitly uses the stuff that would be impossible in QS). QSS was never about the visuals, but rather fixing all the bugs and limitations that pissed myself off with QS (primarily networking and QC related). The particles are there just because they are actually useful to mods like AD - and especially so when networked.

@Baker
sv_gameplayfix_setmodelrealbox is the 'correct' name for the feature, and renaming it will just cause problems elsewhere. If quoth needs it on in order to function then quoth shouldn't be turning it off even if it only affected DP. Additionally, if its value actually changes anything then quoth is buggy (and bugged in either vanilla/dp/fte or fitzquake/qs). Presumably if no one noticed then it doesn't matter and might not even be buggy.
Either way, 0 has more predictable results when replacement models are in use, and is potentially faster for dedicated servers, so hurrah for buggy quoth. And boo hiss at fitzquake for being incompatible with quake, and I really wish I could justify setting it to 0 by default in QSS, and renaming the cvar would just mean that noone would remember the new name breaking any mods that do actually need a specific value for that cvar.
So, won't rename. I prefer consistency to randomness. 
Uuuuh... 
That Quakespasm Spiked seems indeed very interesting!
Thanks a lot!

Anyway I don't want to put any graphic bullshit in it, really. lol
I like how Quake looks on its own and Quakespasm with the modern resolution etc. enhanches it a bit already. And it's got very cool visuals, from what I've seen from Custom Gamer.

Perfect!
Dankeschön! 
No Problem. 
We're all in the same country anyway, so it's good.
I guess. 
 
I really wish I could justify setting it to 0 by default in QSS

FWIW, last time we discussed it in the FitzQuake thread ( http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=60306&start=691&end=714 ), metl confirmed he introduced the change by accident and recommended fixing it as well.

I support changing to vanilla behaviour by default, at least for a "testing" release of qss, and asking for help testing mods that were likely tested only on Fitzquake / Quakespasm. 
 
What was the changed introduced to fix?

Did it have something to do with blinking Chthon or blinking Shub? Perhaps larger monsters "disappearing" momentarily in very rare circumstances when mostly behind walls on certain maps like end.bsp.

Knowing what the change was intended to address would indicate what the consequences are for reverting it.

Some known mods affected by non-original Quake bounding boxes: Malice, QRally, X-Men. Maybe Shrak for Quake. Malice in particular has an enemy with, if I recall, 2 large parts, and the top part will disappear with FitzQuake bounding boxes. 
Summary Please 
Could someone explain to me the effects of

sv_gameplayfix_setmodelrealbox 0

and

sv_gameplayfix_setmodelrealbox 1

I believe at the time I understood the impact, and that it resolved an issue we had with darkplaces setting larger hitboxes on sprites than other engines - vanilla engines set the hitbox to the dimensions of the actual sprite, while darkplaces set them larger by a factor of √2. We had sprites that were solid, and wanted to support mapper supplied sprites, so we couldn't use a pre-computed size.

Obviously we need to balance the need to get that right (because it could make a map unbeatable if the extra large hitbox blocked a critical path in map) with the negative impact setting the cvar on has. I've read the linked thread and this one, and I've got that it's bad, but not a clear explanation of why.

If it helps, until the next version, you can override the Quoth default settings by adding sv_gameplayfix_setmodelrealbox 1 to quoth.cfg 
@Preach 
When you do setmodel on an mdl in vanilla quake (aka realbox 0), the engine ALWAYS does a setsize of +/- 16 (on account of the loader not bothering to calculate the size - note that sprites use [maxwidth,maxwidth,maxheight]/2 for the size).

In QS (aka realbox 1), it instead does the setsize using the mins/maxs values from the mdl.

Note that if the mod calls setsize afterwards then there's no effective difference (unless it uses mins/maxs to do so...).

Hull collisions are biased by the mins+size values, while bbox collisions are affectet by the mins/maxs of both entities.
This means that droptofloor fails quite often, resulting in items getting removed or dropping through floors making maps impossible to complete.
Or entities with their feet inside/above the ground, or biased sideways.
Or tracelines firing from the wrong place.
Or positions being calculated using different offsets...
So yeah, quite a few ways things can go wrong, but as most mods call setsize you tend to not notice any serious issues.

Regarding Quoth specifically, I had a brief scan through some (probably very old) decompiled(eww) code.
I did spot some potential issues, but mostly where the entity was meant to be non-solid anyway.
One issue is misc_explobox but only with replacement mdls.
There's another potential one when developer is 4, or something, which I'm guessing isn't common.
I also spotted one place where .solid was changed without relinking (ie: before setmodel/setsize/setorigin instead of after), but as it had velocity any issues from that would last at most one frame, so probably noone will ever notice it without reading the code.
So I don't think quoth will have any serious issues with either value.
The cvar is not meant to have any effect on sprites (even in DP, which assumes all sprites are round regardless of cvars).

Replacement models are a huge issue (ESPECIALLY when mdls and bsps are quite so interchangeable). As a result, making the behaviour dependant upon the extension rather than the format makes a lot of sense.

Anyway, that's my perspective. 
Urm, Right, Summary. 
I wouldn't worry about it too much regarding quoth. You might want to go through your code anyway, but I wouldn't loose any sleep over it at all.

If you want your model's feet to properly sit on the ground, you might still want to provide explicit sizes to ensure that mdls can work fine in both vanilla and for QS.
Note that explicit sizes can help for QS too, such that you can have geometry that extends beneath the ground (like in other frames) while ensuring that the frame you want is actually sized properly (and not biased sideways, either). 
Misc_model <-- ? 
What about misc_model?

(i.e. models that might be anything the mapper wants and are unknown to QuakeC. Hence no setsize because it could be anything the mapper is using). 
#30197 
I don't see a misc_model anywhere.
If you mean mapobject_custom then yes, it doesn't call setsize.
However, its also both movetype_noclip and not solid. Thus its size is irrelevant to anything else. Therefore, not buggy.

The same is true of a number of other special-case static/semi-static entities.

Note that QC decompilers are utter shite, so take whatever I say on this subject with a pinch of salt, but what I see looks like quoth survives okay with whichever setting that cvar has (at least until someone replaces maps/b_explo*.bsp with an mdl or even a more detailed bsp). 
 
Maybe this issue shall self-resolve then, given enough time. 
Thanks Spike 
We want to keep vanilla compatibility, so fixing the code to work correctly there and leaving the cvar as it is seems best. I'll add some setsize calls to the exploding boxes as I can see the issue with the replacement models, that shouldn't be allowed to create a difference size hull.

I think from there I can figure out the other possible issues - it would be very annoying if the feature intended to let you visualise the size of the triggers accidentally changed the size of those triggers at the same time... 
On Second Thoughts 
Probably no latent bug in that case, because triggers always initialise the size to self.mins/maxs right after a setmodel.

Imagine someone added a trigger_multiple entity, and set the model to progs/shambler.mdl. In vanilla it would get a size of 16x16x16. The cvar setting we've chosen makes sure that's consistent in other engines. But all of that happens before developer 4 comes along and performs a setmodel without a setsize. So the developer 4 code is inflicting a 16x16x16 bbox on a trigger which was already that size. Right? 
Preach 
maps with a trigger_multiple using progs/shambler.mdl deserve to break...
(if only because ents that expect inline models tend to not bother to precache said models.)
But if a map uses it, and some other entity already precached it, then you'd get a trigger sized according to the model, yes, which would differ between engines. And there's not really anything you can do about it, other than telling people not to do stupid things.

Side note: mdls pitch differently from spr and bsp too. so if you're using vectoangles or makevectors for the entity then you're again going to need to know if its a mdl or not. There's nothing you can do to avoid that, either (other than fte's r_meshpitch cvar that then breaks the rest of the mod). Replacement models are a real clusterfuck in this regard, but thankfully its normally a pain to configure pitch angles so most maps manage to avoid issues there.

When I mentioned developer 4, I meant blink_on does a setmodel-without-setsize, but its solid_not and movetype_none, so it doesn't really matter (and is fixed in monster_teleport_go once it does start to matter, but will show the wrong size with eg r_showbboxes until then).

Regarding developer 2 (read: quoth's RestoreTriggerModels function) then that function can find items too, not just trigger_multiple etc.
Thanks to droptofloor setting FL_ONGROUND (meaning they won't try to move), you probably won't notice, but those items will indeed end up with the wrong sizes because of that setmodel call, so it might be a good idea to preserve the original mins+maxs. I don't think its important for trigger_* though, they'll just end up with the size they had before. 
Thanks Spike (again) 
maps with a trigger_multiple using progs/shambler.mdl deserve to break...
(if only because ents that expect inline models tend to not bother to precache said models.)


You can get away with that in Quoth, because the ability to automatically precache external BSP models extends to other types of models (another example of QC not knowing the model type there!).

I'll probably just make sure that developer 2 skips over items in that case, but thanks again for the check. 
I Have A Stats For You. 
At 47 maps in 2018 so far, we're better than we were in 2017, with 46 maps released by the end of June. 
Frecache Preachache 
Why do we still care if a model is precached? 
@otp 
Sweet. I was just taking a look at the spreadsheet. Thanks for keeping track. 
 
I recorded a blind playthrough of "The Tenacious Tentacle" by Socks, and since there is no official post of this map in the foruns i will just post it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9nfeLZm7Lc

But, seriously, why isn't a post about this level here? I only found it by accident (i never search for new maps in Quaddicted because I thought all new maps were posted first here in func_) The map was released this year, it uses AD monsters, it was made only with 100 brushes (so mappers can use it as a reference for the 4° competition) and it's awesome =D

You can download it here: https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/ad_b100_sock.html 
Good Point About The 100 Brush Reference 
Haven't checked that map out yet, but it looks good.

I'm trying to contact Breezeep, does anyone have his email address? 
 
But, seriously, why isn't a post about this level here? I'm not sure why any map author would avoid posting here but I have my suspicions.

Is that QSS-Admod in the video? Looks good. :) 
@dumptruck_ds 
Yep, it is the QSS-Admod engine =D 
Yes, Tronyn? 
Check my profile. 
New Map 
Hello everybody,

since I stopped mapping around 1999 I'm a bit rusty at this and need some pointers. A while ago I finally tried out SleepwalkR's truly excellent TrenchBroom for the first time seriously and made a small DM map with it, which I quite like. Now it's more or less done and I'm looking for a way to share it and maybe get some feedback. Is there currently something like a repository or a place where people look for Q1 DM maps? Or do you just upload it somewhere and post a link here? Are there still review sites? Do people even play custom DM maps anymore?

Anyway, any help with this would be appreciated muchly.

headshot 
Headshot 
http://www.quaketastic.com would be an easy place to upload it.

username: quaketastic
pw: ZigguratVertigoBlewTronynsSocksOff 
 
Just make sure you pick the right directory unlike most people uploading there... :P 
Headshot 
Hello!

People usually use quaketastic.com to upload maps. Login info here: http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=3&start=15658

Also, here on func is news thread, just submit news with short description of the map, sceen and download link. So after news is approved it'll have its separate thread.

Hope this helps! 
Headshot! 
A new headshot map, omg!
I'd be up for giving it a spin online if that's happening.

Not much multiplayer going on around these parts anymore, the focus has mostly shifted to singleplayer maps. 
 
I think even the dedicated DM players left don't care that much for new maps, though you may want to post it at quakeworld.nu for feedback. No review sites to my knowledge.

Of course, it's always possible to throw in some monsters and we'll be all over it. 
Thanks! 
Thanks for the quick answers and great info! I just need to sort out a few niggles and then I'll upload a beta somewhere and post a link here, maybe we can meet on a server (Bal, anyone else?) and see what's what. The tricky part would probabaly be to meet there at the same time :-)

It'd be nice to get some feedback on balance and maybe sticky parts to clip before release. 
 
You can try posting here: https://www.quakeworld.nu/forum/12/maps-textures
Also if you are not afraid of new "tech" you can try Quake World Discord channel: http://discord.quake.world/ 
 
Just joined Discord, thanks. 
 
Awesome, also you can join our Discord here: https://discord.gg/3zgJQ 
General Data Protection Regulation 
Could this new EU-law affect func?
Anybody know something? 
 
My guess: Somebody would have to sue func i.e. metl, in order for anything to happen at all.
As there is nothing to win from that conflict, nothing happens and we all keep our status quo. 
Well 
Func could stop exposing everyone's IP address for a start.

It's funny how func doesn't require anyone's details or even an email address to create an account, but then exposes your ip on every post.

I guess that's why a lot of us use TOR when posting on func. 
Fuck Off Everybody Who Uses TOR. 
All of you belong in prison, you pedophilic porn peddlers. 
Fuck Off Everybody Who Uses TOR. 
All of you belong in prison, you pedophilic porn peddlers. 
Takes One To Know One, Eh? 
Well, otp hates me, so I must be doing something right. 
 
What specific harm could hit my devices, because of my IP-adress being revealed? Viruses homing in on me like a Vore-ball? 
Lol 
Of course I'm not talking about viruses or anything like that. I'm suggesting that it's better to keep the user's IRL identity private by default, without making them jump through hoops if they don't want their actual IP address appearing every time they post something on this public forum.

I'm just wondering what displaying the poster's IP address is supposed to deter.

If someone want to troll / spam this forum then displaying the IP address does fuck all to stop them, because the troll / spammer can easily spoof it (and interestingly they don't even need an account to post (fucking lololol)) 
I Agree 
The IP address should not be published. It should be replaced with a hash of the address plus some salt. 
Re: #30222 
I don't know. But, because I'm outside the EU and this is not a commercial website, maybe not? 
Hash Of It... 
Need to be careful how you do that, you'd need the server to store a distinct salt per IP. Otherwise an "attacker" could brute force the salt from knowledge of their own IP and hash, then use that to brute force the other IPs on the board. At that point you might as well just store each IP that's seen on the database, generate a unique ID for each one and tag each post with that. 
Hash, Salt, A Sprinkle Of Herbs.... 
Sure. But what is the reason for even displaying anything there in the first place? 
 
I suggest we display our accurate geolocation data instead, along with our Social Security number and blood type.

The more social, the better. 
I Think Originally The Idea Was 
To be able to identify trolls. But I don‘t remember, might be a case of we‘vv always done it this way. For the record, I‘d rather get rid of them. 
 
All trolls hide their ip address because it's so easy.

If the idea is to say "Oh he is posting from a proxy / TOR node then he must be a troll" then that means legit users either have to live with their location being exposed, or accept their troll status i guess? 
How About 
Don't troll?

You're not witty, you're not funny, you're just embarrassing and a pain in the ass. Fuck off back to whatever shithole you came from. 
Heheheh Otp..... You Just Described Yourself... Hauahuauhu *drools* 
Oops, forgot to log out and get behind 7 proxies. 
 
:qthink: 
Because No One Can Take Ips And Swat With Them. 
 
That Was The Original Idea 
Don‘t forget that this community is older than Tor. I agree that it doesn‘t make sense anymore. 
It's Nice Seeing All The New Nicknames Popping Up On Here 
I can only assume that means more players and mappers. 
#30242 
I'm stuggeling to conceive a second map after QUMP, because I want to be so much better. 
@brassbite 
Do a tribute map to one of your favorites. From there it will likely grow. I've done that twice and had good results. Sometimes you just need a place to start off. 
Woah. 
New headshot map? Epic. Don't worry about this single player nonsense, I'm sure people still appreciate a good dm map. (Sure, maybe nobody will actually play it, but what's new?)

I've probably said it before, but seeing FSDM3 for the first time was the moment I realised that custom maps could actually be not just as good as the id maps, but even better, potentially. That definitely inspired me to start making maps seriously, rather than just tinkering around making junk like everyone else in the early days. 
 
trying it without IP addresses. I think the arguments above are correct in that they don't provide much value or deterence nowadays. 
Thanks Metl! 
 
Lol That's Great! 
 
A Welcome Change 
I'm glad others are in general agreement with this, thanks metlslime. 
Metl 
But how will I know if it's really me? 
Fuck You 
otp [178.235.146.77] 
Wow Now I Will Be Hacked By A Retarded Drunk 
 
Well, You Can Suck My Hose 
instead 
I Still Luff You 
otp [178.235.146.77] 
Peace 
 
I Like How This Pos Constantly 
eating the ass's of the moders

you're never changed 
Should Be Moved To The Beef Thread Tho 
 
Lol 
 
бгг 
 
Spike Solved Quake 72 Fps Physics Problem 
Spike has solved the can't run above 72 fps Quake physics problem!

http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61351

Download: Quakespasm Spiked V.10 - May 15 2018 
Hi, 
I am newbie for this forum.I happy to join this forum 
Welcome, Man 
to this den of evilness. Map fast and you will have a good time here. 
Welcome Aboard! 
It's always nice to see new people come home to Quake.

Have you played much Quake in the past or are you a 'total newbie'?
:) 
 
Ellen's email begins with "emily", a different name. And the Tarzan-style English in her post is typical of spambots.

Some spambots are coded to post innocent stuff and edit it after some days to include spammy links. It's a tactic to avoid moderators who only checks new posts. Thankfully Func_ doesn't allow editing. 
Mod.io 
What are your opinions on Mod.io? It sounds like a beefed up alternative to Quaddicted, including some kind of optional monetization/donations system for content authors, and an automated content upload system (AFAIK, uploading to Quaddicted is a fully manual process). 
Mod.io 
Yah let's monetise this quake shit yo 
 
QA$H MONEY 
Meh 
Requires developers to add content uploading into their software. Would be like if we had a separate utility to upload maps/mods or a console command addition, but someone would have to make it.

I mean I guess it could be nice, but I'm one who likes manual compiling so... 
 
Yes, it would be a job for engine developers.

Mark V supports installing from Quadiccted, but Mod.io seems to be a beefed up alternative. Imagine creating a mod and uploading it from the engine itself, with the engine automatically handling all the packaging and dependencies in a standardized way. 
Woo 
This is america
Don't catch you slipping now
Watch what I'm whipping now
This shit that I'm typing now 
GPUs 
How important is the GPU to Quake these days? I'm more familiar with Doom engines and I'm aware that the CPU is much more important than the GPU, even with OGL renderers such as GZDoom.

I know that BiTD the GPU was pretty important when the OGL version of Quake first hit but nowadays things seem to be very different.

Just a noob being nosy. 
Pretty Important 
If you plan to play Orl or AD maps with any kind of fluidity. 
CPU Is More Important To Doom Cuz Rachel Can't Code Worth Shit. 
 
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