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Yeah, I got bored and so didn't finish it. I'll try the Hrim approach and take 3 or 4 days to finish it then post it. K?
No speedmapping this week. Busy. Stuff. Christmas. Sm40. Maybe next week, or sometime after Finals (around the 16th of December.) Talk to you then.
i don't get back till 18th or so though, might be able to send in one early, if i get time between exams.
If I hosted speedmappagery, would anyone show up? I got a couple "No"s and one "Yeah sure you fucktard" in #tf. If anyone's willing to show up AND COMPLETE maps, I'd be willing to host the event during the summer each weekend.
I do a lot of farting around mapping, it would give an excuse to let other people besides AquiRe, who alone has been blessed to play the most screwed up maps on the planet, see them.
Will play the maps and whine about how much speedmapping sucks!
See, I'm prepared to support you in my traditional role*, Zwiff =). *unlike scampie's traditional role which is on his hands and knees with a gimp mask on... Sure, I'm willing to run it. I can put hidden messages about how much of a tyrant you are. :D
But yeah, if you give me updated site info I'd be glad to host speedmapping. it may be too early to ask this but do you plan to make the speed maps thematic each week or more of a 'it's Quake, go for it!' type of thing?
I follow Scampie's examples and try to set themes each week.
But you can make whatever you want to. Theme: "Not a base" (NO BASES!!!)
When/Where: gamesurge.irc.net, #speedq1, 3:00 PM Central time, on Saturday, May 28th, 2005. If you can't make it, just work on it in your own time and send me the map when you're done. Email: ZwiffleOwnsU@gmail.com Great. Cya. you can make whatever you feel like. sp,dm,coop, whatever. you can start whenever you want to really, but the general start time is saturday at 3 (which might be like 10:00pm for you.) If you can't make it, just let me know and send the map to my email when you're, I'd like to have the pack out later on Sunday if possible.
Hi, I'm relatively new to Quake. I love singleplayer maps and I enjoy the fast and loose style of speedmaps. I'm trying to collect all of the speedmap packs, but the site which hosted them seems to be down. I can host them if nobody else plans to. I have 10-11, 14-35, 37-39, 43, and 84. Here are links to those maps. They are 7-zipped to make them small and then zipped to allow me to host them. Can people help me fill in the gaps?
Speedmap Pack #10 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm10_temp.zip Speedmap Pack #11 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm11_temp.zip Speedmap Pack #14 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm14_temp.zip Speedmap Pack #15 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm15_temp.zip Speedmap Pack #16 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm16_temp.zip Speedmap Pack #17 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm17_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #18 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm18_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #19 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm19_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #20 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm20_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #21 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm21_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #22 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm22_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #23 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm23_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #24 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm24_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #25 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm25_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #26 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm26_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #27 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm27_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #28 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm28_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #29 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm29_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #30 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm30_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #31 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm31_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #32 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm32_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #33 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm33_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #34 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm34_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #35 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm35_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #37 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm37_pack.zip Speedmap Pack #38 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm38_temp.zip Speedmap Pack #39 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm39_temp.zip Speedmap Pack #43 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm43.zip Speedmap Pack #84 http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/cpm0153/eport/sm84_pack.zip Check your email for speedq1 site login details.
The site is about halfway through uploading I can't resist. I hate speedmapping, you know that :) Oh well.
Btw, I (I mean Word) fukt up speedq1.spawnpoint.org, but here's the pack anyway: http://speedq1.spawnpoint.org/files/sm93_pack.zip Yes, pack has been updated. ^_^
I didn't know you were gonna send one in late. I hope voodoochopstiks doesn't decide to send one in too. This has been the most frustrating speedmappage I've hosted yet. =/ There is a headthump.bsp in the pack, so I'm guessing he did :)
Thanks to those involved, haven't played them yet, but I'm sure they'll be fun Yes, pack has been updated. ^_^
That probably explains why the first 3 times I tried to download the pack it was borked, and each time a different size. Just like an email saying you were participating would've been good.
And yes, now I don't think the pack.zip is borked anymore. Everything should work. All the After DL the pack three times to get a valid archive I find that one of the bsp's is sm91_zwiffle!
That cant be right? While I'm here I want to say that I haven't had the time to test my map in easy and normal! So if the map is broken in one of these skills try hard I know that works! Anyway it's allways in hard the fun is! 8-) The txt file only states 2 authors, no mention of Headthump, although there is a headthump.bsp in there.
So I download it again (5th), this time Headthump is in the txt file. the full set with the trio of maps about two hours ago. Hrimfaxi's and Zwiffle's maps were veryenjoyable excusions in the realm of Quake bastardry. I envy Hrim's perfection.
I'm waiting until Scampie fixes my error to post as news.
In the meantime, SM100 is coming up in a month and a half, and I was planning on doing something special, because people tend to do special things when something is evenly divisible by 100. So, I was thinking of a chainmap, but I am open to suggestions from anyone who wants to participate. What would you like to see for SM100? ...filling the gaps first? If I remember well, there's a speedchainmap to be had(#82, maybe?) and sm92... where are they?
#100 could be a Speed Episode.. maybe, knowing for sure in advance who will participate you could plan things out so that once it is finished we can play the pack in sequence... What I have in mind is: let's suppose 4 mappers give their disponibility, they're A, B, C, D; first of all each one chooses a place in the sequence (i.e. B does the1st, C the 2nd, A the 3rd, D the fourth), then each mapper is assigned a number of weapons that must appear in his map and is told which ones the player already has when he gets in, powerups are free for use, keeping in mind that maps should be increasingly difficult... I never mapped so maybe there's some major problem that will blow such an idea, but as far as my knowledge goes, it could be doable... only thing you must know in advance who participates so that each map points to the next in a preordinated serie... Just my 2 cents... ....what about a serie of themes to build up for #100, like in comics where a chain of events lead to a certain landmark issue? There could be a serie of themes to lead a story to the climatic #100...
About the story I don't know but the leading theme technically wise could be the inclusion of some of the best custom monsters like the Zer's Mega Enforcer (the best ever!), the supercool modified enforcers of the Liutenant (the crossbow knights, even) and so on... Another 2 cents... SM82 is coming soon, as noted in this screenshot:
http://rpg.spawnpoint.org/images/blah/sm82soon.jpg SM94 - "The Rabbit Hole"
When: Saturday, June 4th, 2005 at 3:00 pm Central Where: #speedq1 on QUAKENET server, not Gamesurge How: With all the sexy you can muster! The problem with the Episode thing is people are fickle about Speedmapping. Sometimes they join when they say, sometimes they don't. We've all done it at one point. That leads to a possible situation, where you have some peoples' maps but not others, then you'd have to wait until it gets done. I like the idea, I just don't know if it would work out. Still any suggestions for SM100 are welcome. Well I just finished my speedmap, but am right now trying to track down an offending brush of doom that is causing major compile problems.
This is what I'm planning for sm100 so far:
Chainmap, using either IKBlue.wad or Knave.wad, stand alone or modified, or a combination of the two with select textures from me. This is far from set in stone, but it seems like it would be a different set for a chainmap I think. Any thoughts? :( Made mine in an hour rather than 100 minutes, would have been awesome if I took longer...
Yeah..that's my excuse and I am sticking to it! So we've got three options so far for SM100.
1.) Chainmap, possibly using IKBlue and/or Knave, or perhaps another tex set. 2.) Speed episode. 3.) Turtle map (Map done in one week.) Those of you planning to participate please give input. Thx a doodle. :D I have three ideas of what sm100 should be:
1) a chainmap (knave sounds good or maybe hexen2.wad, as almost all of my previous speedmaps were with hexen2 texes); 2) a collection of the best speedmaps ever made; 3) a whole day of speedmapping from morning til the night, so everyone would be able to create BIG speedmaps since it would be a special speedmapping session.. chainmaps are troublesome enough; a chainspeedmap is just way on the wrong side of 'bad idea'.
Same goes for the episode - if you have to rely on organising a mapper lineup beforehand you're defeating the spontaneity of speedmapping; the only thing that really makes it interesting imo. I've made this suggestion before, but I'll make it again: SM100 - Quake Symbol map must feature the quake symbol somewhere in some form besides on a texture ( has to be made of brushes ). It can be small, large or even the whole layout of the map. It can be a func thingy, or just a decoration in the middle of a room. Whatever. Weren't all the other chainmaps speedmaps?
Shut up RPG!, the SM40 contest and sm82 were all chainmaps put together from speedmaps, ya? Yes, it would take some time to glue them together, it wouldn't be instantaneous of course. But I find chainmaps to be loads of fun, and the last one was run on SM82, nearly 20 speedmaps ago (as of SM100), so I thought it would be a nice change of pace.
Something involving organizing the mappers is probably not going to work so well. I think SM28 and SM32 were the only ones to be put together in a timely fasion.
On the other hand, PuLSaR's idea about a speedmapping day might work out well. Kell's idea is also cool, but I don't quite feel like it's monumental enough. ...but I really like Pulsar's idea of a day of speedmapping, a real mapping orgy, where people are popping into IRC all day and making all sorts of different shit, like some people will do a dozen hour long speedmaps and others will do just one cool map in a day, and others might pass maps back and forth and make joint speedmaps or whatever....just like see how much cool shit everyone can make in a day, whenever they're free during that day to do it.
W3rd. So for that post, Kell has chosen an icon consisting of a fist passing through a ring.
It's such a relief all the different mappers are based in different countries ;) Lokking in the files archive I noticed that there are no sm92 - in this thread at post #868 and #869 ( http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=10196&start=868 ) Zwiffle says that he would finish the map from that session later! Did you do that Zwiffle? Or are we to have a sm 100 without a sm92?
Guess it will be the sm99 pack then! And it looks like sm68 is missing as well? It seems from the archive that q1tm (the first turtlemap) and q1tm2 (the second one) are missing from the archives. Do you (scampie or zwiffle) need them? I have 2/3rd's of the first one as well as the entirety of q1tm2.
40 was a speedmap, which was turned into a contest by RPG and judged by Vondur, won by Mike Woodham and lost by Zwiffle :(.
69 is metl/RPG's responsibility, I hear it was kidnapped and raised as a child prostitute somewhere in Madison (I'm looking at Scampie.) 82 is also RPG's responsibility, both 69 and 82 are speedmaps. For 92, NO ONE showed up for it, and I didn't finish my map. I don't even know if I still have it, and if I do I probably won't finish it. I'm not sure about 68 - that might've been the turtlemap event, in which case you'll have to ask Scampie to restore those to the site, because I don't have them, at least the first one. Every week during the summer I plan to host speedmapping on Saturdays. Maybe even beyond that , but school is tough so I may have to put it on hold during schooltime.
I'll be in the next one, probably need to do it beforehand again though.
Any idea what next weeks theme is yet? Theme: This week's theme is a little more focused and less interpretational than previous weeks. It's "Castle Void," so go and make your best space-floaty castle.
When: Saturday, June 11th, 2005 at 3:00 pm Central Time Where: #speedq1 on QUAKENET Enjoy :D I am still online, damn netsplit cut czg and I off from everyone else.
Stupid quakenet. maybe its too soon, but there should be a chapters speedmapping session, and then maybe a zerstorer themed session. Unless that would dilute the purity of speedmapping.
that just forwards you to your country's / nearest server. You can see that from the status window motd texts etc.
That server might have problems which you can avoid by manually connecting directly to some other server, like irc.uk.quakenet.eu.org or irc.de.quakenet.eu.org, depending where you live. sm69 was actually started back around sm30 or sm35, as a speed chainmap organized by rpg. After a while he had it stiched together, and then he and i passed it back and fourth a bit. I joked that we should call it sm69, but the joke was that that number was way too high compared to the numbers we were seeing each week. Then 68 and 70 came and went, and now 69 doesn't sound so futuristic anymore.
The product of an impromptu speedmapping session four of us engaged in tonight. :)
http://www.chimpans.se/blah1.zip SM69 was actually started way back around February of 2001 as a chainmap pack, organized by RPG. It was to be a pack of two maps, with two authors per map. After July came and I was the only one to actually have made anything, I abandoned it for a long time until picking it up again and deciding to finish it as a speed chainmap. After a while I had it stitched together, and metlslime and I passed it back and forth a bit. metlslime joked that we should call it SM69, but the joke was the number was way too high compared to the last speedmap pack which had been released at least one year prior (I think the last one was around 45). Then scampie tried to convince me to rename it, got all huffy about it, and skipped number 68 in the series in a childish fit of envy. And now 69 doesn't sound so futuristic anymore.
If anyone wants the SM40
rpg.spawnpoint.org/files/mirrors/sm40_q1.zip And if anyone wants the SM40 contest results (maybe to add them to the speedmapping archive) you can get them here: rpg.spawnpoint.org/files/mirrors/sm40contest.zip ...way better than sm94!!! Speed's totally rocks, even though I can't seem to finish it (what should happen after the vores on the upper floor? I get stuck in a room where you drop after the last vore... nothing happens). Moz and Tron seem to have picked my idea (or do they?)of making a map follow the other, doubling the pleasure...
Voodoo's just the short little sweetie at the end of the meal... LOved the texes. Thanks, too good for a monday night... I like to either put the name of a map someone else is going to work on (ie sm94_bam) or a map that's already been made that everyone should have (ie e1m1rmx) or start (ie start) or end (ie end).
Ok, this iss approximately how I remember, I might be wrong on many points:
zwiffle's was nice and clean and polished, except too little ammo, some a bit hard jumps, and that hidden windpush was harder to find than necessary, I kept jumping there and falling behind the push. I liked the idea and layout of the whole thing. headthump's map was awful frameratewise but otherwise quite hectic. The ogres very high on platforms just suck when you have the super shotgun, likewise fiends in a pit - you just keep standing and shooting with the button floored - it takes quite long. :( I ended up taking shortcuts / avoiding fights by jumping to funny places from the slopes and not killing the end enemies or the shambler. Had no ammo or health anyway. Funny shapes, some small texturing errors. There was a bug at the silver door, it was very hard to get up from the stairs there. And in other stairs too, you had to jump. rpg's map was a bit more polished but the stairs-enemy-stairs thing was gameplay wise a bit boring. Oh, there's a vore - well I can shoot him and then go back behing the corner. rinse and repeat. Everybody's placing vores like this! Why?? Tron's map was nice. About time mappers gave the freaking rocket launchers to the player! I liked this one the best. I wonder how much time went into these - some maps were so big and still quite detailed. Quite skilled guys you are. And btw, I hope making the map float in void is not becoming too much of a fashion! The thing: "The Room" - (ripped from Silent Hill 4 :D )
The Other Thing: #speedq1, gamesnet The Last Thing: Saturday, June 18th, 2005, at 3:00 pm Central time Another Thing: Be there and be square. or anything from that series, what is the tie in with 'the room' theme?
The full title of Silent Hill 4 is
"Silent Hill 4: The Room" I got the idea from that. That's all. :) that may be fun. I'll google the heck out of it from here and see if it spawns a few ideas.
I hope the entire game wasn't one room, those things can cost some serious money! Seems to be a very nice idea for a speedmap, ultra open ended. I even have an idea for one now, i just have to find the time do make it ( definetly an out of session one if it works out ).
I found this in my info search . .
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/silent_hill_4_plot_a.txt much more interesting than box maps (ninety degree angles - ugh!) I'll spend tomorrow avoiding getting any real work accomplished and just scribble maps in my notebook. were you able to get a speed map session this week-end?
I had a motherboard meltdown of my machine devoted to Quake :(, so no contribution this week, SM97 - "Nowhere to hide" with a subtheme "We Miss You CZG"
Time: 3:00 pm Central, Saturday, June 25th, 2005 Where: #speedq1, quakenet Woot! A few more weeks until Speedmapping day or something. CZG is still here, which I'm grateful for, but why the 'we miss you?'
(I'm continuing my tradition of asking naive questions after a speedmap theme announcement ;)) anyways, I hope to have enough of my Quake stuff downloaded and rebuilt to map this weekend. However, I'm downgraded to a PII 433 with an ati Rage Pro board, all of 4 MG of memory. Woot-hoo. Life is freakin' sweet, baby! You definitely need a theme and a sub-theme for a speedmapping session. Particularly when both of them are pretty incomprehensible!
CZG quit coming to #tf, that's why the "We Miss You"
Next week the subtheme will be "Shut up, Headthump!" :D PS: That's a joke at SM32, which was a chainmap called "Shut up, RPG!", just in case you were going to ask :P http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/missczg.png
in idbase and metal flavour d/l it and import into your quake wad using texmex (texmex url http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/texmex.zip ) "Complex" (as in Complicated)
July 2nd, 2005 - 3:00 PM Central time #speedq1, quakenet Whoosh - SM100 coming up soon. how am i supposed to make something complex map fast with my inane mapping skills?
well, maybe random stuff... :) I won't be able to join in on the scheduled time. I'm going to Chicago on Saturday to pick up my friend, and he's gonna be staying at my house until the following Saturday, so SM99 will NOT be up the same day. It will be up late, sometime Sunday central time. I still plan on participating in both events though. If you try to DCC me a map or something just send me an email telling me you have a map. Cheers.
from the comments of sm60:
<quote> metlslime's map = best speedmap evar! Nfw! Sm49_starbuck all the way! </quote> This spawned an idea. *whooosh...* Anyone want to make some kind of compilation of the best 10 or 30 speedmaps of all time? Would be nice if it was released somehow at the time of sm100. Comments, people? Surely you must have favorites you remember fondly? Gotta go back and play all of the speedmaps... :P Maybe it's not possible. If one calculates 5 minutes per map and 400 maps, that takes 2000 minutes or over 33 hours. Someone make some voting system. with speedmapping session #98 be?
I'll make a map for it now, so wait for me to submit a map before you release the pack Does that mean you didn't end up making a map Pulsar?
yep, right after a hour of speedmapping my gitrlfriend started to... bother me and it turned into a really slowmapping and I gave up SM99 - This Saturday, same place/time, hosted probably not by me, but send me all your maps and stuff anyway.
Theme - Open theme this week. Release: I will probably be releasing SM98 + SM99 at the same time AFTER SM99 takes place. This is because my friend is probably going back to Chicago Saturday or Sunday, and my SM98 map is not finished yet, so I will work on SM98 and SM99 the week after he goes back, hopefully release them on Wednesday/Thursday. So, sorry about that, be patient please. :D Did you get the email with my sm97_generic lighting redux?
I have also sent maps for SM98 and SM99 :) <voodoochopstiks> Zwiffle the glue way or my way?
<Zwiffle> the glue way <voodoochopstiks> well I am not liking the glue idea at all :/ <Tr0n> I think we should vote on it <Zwiffle> gather the pieces, glue them together how you see fir <Zwiffle> *fit <voodoochopstiks> yeah <Zwiffle> it's how every past speedmap has been done <voodoochopstiks> vote imo <Tr0n> Zwiffle: then it's time for a change. :) <Zwiffle> go ahead and vote <Zwiffle> it's my decision :D <than> should put this in the speedmap thread Some of us are saying that a better way would be to do sm100 over a couple of weeks as a chainmap where we form a queue and each person works on their section for 100 minutes before passing it on, Zwiffle wants to have it where everyone speedmaps a small section and then uploads those small chunks for people to stick together as they see fit. What way does everyone else prefer? Hmm, I'm not sure which I'd prefer. I quite like glueing maps - I enjoyed doing sm32 anyway, so if there was nobody to glue, I'd be up for it. However, the other method suggested sounds interesting and is different from what we've done before in speedmapping.
I like the idea of everyone glueing their own speedchainmap from the resulting maps too. That's a nice idea, but I'd want each map to be released separately rather than having to wait for the slowest person to finish. I also don't really like to get a ton of new maps and wade through them all either - I prefer one treat every so often. Erm, so I vote for the glue method, but everyone has to have a go. Perhaps we should be given a week to glue them - so it becomes a speedchainturtlemap :) Obviously, they haven't been uploaded yet. I'm still working on my SM98 map, and when it's complete (sometime today or tomorrow) I will gather up all the maps and release them at once.
For SM100 - we were talking about what will happen. There will be 3 events: 1.) A normal speedmap at the normal time/place, released the same day (hopefully.) 2.) A turtle map. Make a proper map in a week, then it should be released the same day as SM101 (The following Saturday.) There is no theme for this - all you have to do is make a proper SP map in one week's time. 3.) The chain-speed map. Everyone who participates makes a piece in 100 minutes, using the specified Now, Tr0n and voodoochopstiks were talking about making it one person maps for 100 minutes, then taht person hands it off to the next, and so on for the chainmap. I'm sorry, I don't mean to disappoint you, but that's NOT how it's going to be. That method of chainmapping is fine on its own, I'm doing the same thing with Tr0n, Jago and RPG right now, but it just doesn't work well with the speedmapping concept. This way, we get more maps, and people aren't scheduled into working on something at different times. That's one reason I don't like it for speedmapping - you don't schedule different speedmapping sessions for each person, you have one big event where EVERYONE participates at once. It avoids a lot of hassle. One event everyone can join in at the SAME TIME. Scheduling who gets to map on this thing is just too much effort for a speedmap - it's better to gather all the pieces at once, then let each person go at it on his or her own time. I encourage you to start your own chainmaps this way if you really like to chainmap (I love to chainmap, which is why I have 3 projects going on.) In fact, Tr0n, if you want to, you can pass off our map to stiks after you're done and he can hand it back to me and so on. But, the SM100 way is NOT negotiable - every single past speed chainmap has worked this way, with possibly the exception of SM69 - I'm not really sure about that one. This method works best with speedmaps, plain and simple, and I do not plan on messing with a system that works. I'll try and do a map for each event :)
For clarification, are the events 1. and 3. separate, or are the speedchainmaps to be map from the speedmaps made in 1. or not? 1 is a normal speedmap event. 3 will take place probably the following Sunday, normal speedmapping time, and 2 will start on Saturday or Sunday, most likely Saturday.
ok, I have this idea that could be done in the long run:
five people make some speedmaps - then they are passed on on the next weekend to the next guy in the alphabet - and are worked on some more! And this is repeated a couple of times so the maps have gone through many mappers. This is speedmapping in the sense that one author need not do much, but not in the sense that it requires a bit like a constant amount of participators every time. (the people can be switched though!) Dunno then though how much the maps would / could be changed and would the previous guys get angry from the modifications on their work. :) That's an interesting idea. It would require a consistent number of people each week, and a lot of
SM100 - Speed Map Event
Theme: "The Legend of Zelda" When/Where: Saturday, July 16th, 2005 at 3:00 pm Central in #speedq1 on Quakenet. What to do: If you can't attend, please notify me ahead of time to let me know you're making a map. Send me the map when you're done at ZwiffleOwnsU@gmail.com, or if you attend you can DCC me the map too. Either/or. As for the Chainmap, it will most likely be on Sunday, July 17th, at 3:00 pm Central, same place. Again, if you can't attend, please notify me ahead of time if you're participating. I will post the I will be participating in all events, so there will be at least one map for each - Speed, Turtle and Chain (piece AND completed.) If you have an idea for what you want the C U there O_O I'm into celebrating sm100 by doing a map but it'll be a nothemed regular speedmap regardless of what you come up with!
I've been hoping a turtle map session would be coming up for sometime now. Count me in Zwiffle for that second event.
I'll definatelly map for sm100. I'll make the usual speedmap for sure and maybe I'll map for chainmap.
but I am willing to give events one and three a shot -- I already map at the speed of a turtle :)
If anyone needs to coordinate chain map pieces with me, my email is posted. P.S. I vote knave for i'd like to participate in the turtle map thing (or at least try to). knave.wad, of course.
i hope i can free up some time. OK, so the Turtle Map is officially underway. I will accept submissions no later than 12:00 am (midnight)Central Time NEXT Saturday for the Turtle map.
The SM100_pack will be up late, generic needs to finish his and can't get it to me today, so it will be posted tomorrow. Finally, I have uploaded the knaveSM100.wad: http://speedq1.spawnpoint.org/files/knaveSM100.wad The
All 6 pieces (Ok, really more like 4, Generic made 3 maps) are collected. The authors are bambuz, Generic, voodoochopstiks, and me. All maps have been renamed so you know which author did what.
http://speedq1.spawnpoint.org/files/chain100.zip looks like a tough job to connect those with any consistency... also the detail levels vary a lot!
I might give a stab at it later today. Well I haven't gotten any turtlemaps yet. I know there were 3 in production other than mine, so I'll just remind people that I need them in by this weekend. My own is close to finished, I just need to tidy up some details and polish the gameplay. It should be done by tomorrow. If you want, include a
voodoochopsticks and I are collaborating on a turtle map but my computer hd is having some problems so I can't continue work (some error thing with temp file writing and delayed write cache), since i can't save my editings 9/10 times... ARGH. Even web browsing stutters.
But mr chopsticks is bravely carrying this task to it's conclusion alone with my supporting spirit in irc. :/ He'll hopefully be ready by sunday. The map is quite big - it turned out a bit out of scale since I'm not a very experienced mapper and there was no time to resize back. fucking computers. shit. hell. etc. I've gotten 2 maps so far for the turtlemap portion of SM100, mine and bambuz/voodoo's. Headthump will try to turn his in next week with SM101, and
my turtle map is being compiled at the moment. i don't know how long it will take, but i'll send it in right after it's finished. item placement took longer than expected, so i hope it's not too late, because it would be a pity if this map wasn't included in the pack.
i think it turned out pretty nice, though it also has some flaws which can't be solved within the deadline, for instance the lack of skill settings and the free edicts thing. :( I had to.
Saturday, the 30th of July, 3:00 pm Central. Mail submissions to ZwiffleOwnsU@gmail.com. Some of you may have noticed there was no Speedmap this week. That's because I was sort of "invited" to host speedmapping for QExpo, which I would not have done otherwise. So I'm currently setting up the booth and there'll probably be 2 events I think, maybe 1 or 3, or possibly 100. I dunno. But I didn't forget about it really. Anyway, some more info soon-ish, dag nabbit.
you mean you'll release our 2 maps for sm101 during QExpo? I didn't quite catch the drift of that.
There won't be, but there will be a couple events once QExpo starts. BTW, the theme for QExpo is "movies" or something, any ideas about what theme you'd like the speedmaps to be?
speed packs going to be announced in their own threads? I thought the latest smqe1 was pretty good.
I've been putting the announcements on the qexpo Speedmapping booth, and linked the released pack in the Qexpo thread.
Now that QExpo is over with, we're back on track with the normal Speedmapping numbering. This week is SM102 - "Geocomp". Make a map using simplistic textures and gorgeous brushwork - the looks will be based not on how pretty the tex are but how good you slap them onto detailed brushwork.
Saturday, August 27th, 2005, 3:00 pm Central in #speedq1 on Quakenet! W00t! Were there not enough maps to make it worthwhile? Are you going to include the maps that were submitted for smqe2 with this pack?
My thoughts on these are:
sm101_starbuck - attractive texturewise with a few misalignments and areas that need to be clipped off. I would love to see this one made into a proper SP map :) sm101_zwiffle - not a bad little hoard affair which took a couple of tries to survive. I liked the difficult puzzle :) smQE1_entar - looked bad with a green tint :( smQE1_neg!ke - green enough with straight-up gameplay and a few Oz favors scattered about. I am becoming a fan of this guy's intricate brushwork :) smQE1_preach - great gameplay with old skool looks. I had to leave a few bad guys standing around to escape with my scalp intact. Best of the bunch ;) snQE2_zwiffle - short, sweet and survivable without being a walkthrough. It also had a nice tight...layout :) GOOD WORK GUYS!!! I guess I should have known to look there?
Anyways, I really liked smqe2. Zwiffle, you implemented some pretty fucking cool architecture in this one. I didn't like Neg!kes as much as his last, but it was still very cool. I love the chunky look of your maps. Your style is very unique and I like the playfulness of your maps. Generics was cool too - I haven't seen the movies, but your map piqued my interest. Mine took about 2 and a half hours, and I'm happy with how it turned out,considering. The Ammo balance sucked, but I kind of like fighting the last shamb with an axe. What did you guys think about smqe2? I thought your map was just stupidly hard, and never finished it.
They were all fun, though. smqe2 was fantastic, one of the best SM releases recently. Every map was strong, even mine, which is weird. I would like to have more patience and do bigger, detailed maps, but I don't use copy and paste like I should and my maps become small. Drew's map was tough, I got to the gold key area and had to fight scrags with my axe so I didn't finish it. neg!ke's and generic's maps were cool, completely different, but both fun nonetheless. Hopefully it'll be a good pack today too.
Got a map for this week's event (actually it isn't really in theme, but .
smqe1_neg!ke was fun and pretty unusual, close to the theme and still lots of action. Tip: If you had problems lighting the two big buttons that reveal the "wizard", either move the lights from the walls a bit or use option -softdist 4.
smqe1_preach was also fun and in a more traditional setting. Gameplay was good although the scale felt a bit too big. Easy movements and plenty in fighting are always welcome. smqe1_zwiffle was very good-looking with nice textures. Gameplay was a bit rough, but manageable. smqe2_drew had decent layout but maybe a bit monotonous texturing. Gameplay was pretty good until ammo and health ran out near the GK, one of the real fun-killers. Also, the map leaked and wasn't vised. smqe2_neg!ke had a quiet and curious beginning in a nice setting, but the rest was fun arena-style combat. At first it was easy, letting them finish off themselves, but soon it escalated into pretty intense mayhem. I had to retry a few times before leaving with really low health smqe2_zwiffle wasn't quiet at all; major close-quarter combat right from the start. Again pretty rough fighting, but survivable. Nice details, texturing and lighting, only a bit small. As a whole, two good packs! I've mentioned it before and been shut down, but I'm gonna try again. I'd like to maybe have a speedmapping session using the Zerstorer mod. I know it's not Vanilla Quake, so some of you guys might feel like it would be diluting the purity of speedmapping or something, but I'd like to try it. What do you think?
But if we could talk CZG into doing a Terra like episode for Zerstorer, that would swweeeet.
SM103 - "Autumn"
Saturday, September 3rd, 2005 3:00 PM Central in #speedq1, Quakenet I'm afraid this'll be my last Speedmapping event until next year. School starts next Tuesday and I just won't have a lot of time to do anything between that and work. Oh well. =/ Nice final theme too, hope you get a good turnout.
I think you;ve done a great job of keeping speedmapping going under fairly uninspiring circumstances, and I think it;s been worth it - although they are still only speedmaps, there have been some interesting maps, interesting ideas, and an occasional upturn in quality too. AND you have brought several new mappers to the fore, some of which - generic, drew, negke - are showing a lot of promise. I agree with Shambler, and I'm sure plenty more of us quake fans do as well. Your commitment has been pretty impressive. You just kept going, coming up with wonderfully obtuse themes and producing maps every time. I know alot of people would have given up... I know I would've. Thanks alot for contributing to this community. Hopefully someone else will step up to the plate. So yeah, thanks.
nooo, that's sad news! :/
what am i now going to use as an excuse not to continue working on my maps?? hopefully, you'll find some time to host a speedmap event every now an then, depending on how much spare time you'll get... anyway - as the others already said - good job! btw: why not upload the smqe1 pack to the speedq1 archive, just for the sake of completeness? That second map is the most beautiful piece of art I have ever experienced... truly mind blowing. It speaks truths even Jesus couldn't deliver. I'm just breathless from that whole thing. :D
Was it not written that there wouldst come a mapper
And though he be generic, his speedmaps would not? You've done a good job on running the SM sessions and produced a lot of good maps! If noone picks up the thread, I hope that you'll return later.
You're interested in taking over the Speedmappage duties while I whittle away my hours on school and work then email Scamp at whatever his email is, otherwise he's gonna take over, and that means... well that means there'll be speedmapping, so that's good. Still, if anyone wants to try, by all means go ahead.
Speedmap #104 will be happening this Saturday, with myself taking helm of the Speedmapping boat once again.
There will be no theme for this pack, Single Player or Deathmatch levels are acceptible. Timelimit is 100 mins, let's try to stick to it, but I've never been one to enforce the timelimit strictly. We will meet on IRC for the live event, on the Quakenet network (irc.quakenet.org) in #speedq1, at 3PM Central Time, this is 8PM UTC. If you can not make it, or wish to map beforehand, you may email me a map before the live event or get in contact with me beforehand. My email is scampie@spawnpoint.org. I will not be making a speedmap, for this or future speedmaps. I cannot due to the limitations of my contract. I likely shouldn't even be running this event. This is why I will only be in charge of organizing, collecting, and uploading the weekly events.
If anyone has any ideas for themes, please bring them up.
Themes I will not run for any reason: Anything requiring a custom engine. Speedmaps must run in GLQuake minimum. Anything requiring a mod. Speedmaps will run in vanilla Quake. Anything limiting brush or entity counts. Reasons: Speedmapping is about creation and enjoyment for the mappers who participate. Themes should encourage people toward innovation and new ideas of architecture, gameplay, and buildstyle. Themes should not limit mappers, or require having to learn new entities/features in a specific mod or engine. We are having fun building maps, this is excercise, not a popularity contest for mappers to get famous. We don't need more than vanilla Quake to be creative. Themes will never be enforced, only suggested. The timelimit is also not enforced, since it's merely there as a guideline to spur on the quick creation of a map. Speedmap packs are released for the sole reason of sharing what we did with each other and inspiration for our fellow mappers. - "Quake Meets Next-Gen FPS of your Choice"
- "The City" - "Runic" (I like Runic maps!) - "Swallowed" Don't you think Return of the King is a little egotistical? :) that speedmaps is going to be more than a summer fling.
Possible Theme's Clean Base, Rusty Base, Sci-Fi Runic, Gothic Runic -Coop (maps that NEED 2 players at least)
-Penile devastation -Haunted houses -Caribbean (or Pirates like Text_Fish said) -Cemetery You should have a "Use hacks from the Teaching Old Progs(.dat) New Tricks thread to make weird maps" theme.
Bal:
I've seriously thought about that myself. Everyone else: thanks for the theme ideas, come 'em coming. I'll likely use a few. I think that is more a time consideration than anything else, Speedmaps are generally so short that it would be a waste of resources building secret areas.
As first Emperor of the Quake and protector of Mexico, NEXT WEEK'S THEME is 'Secret Maps'.
To even progress through the map, you must find secrets. (Note, NEXT WEEK. This week's speedmap theme will remain 'no theme') mars
custom textures or assortments simple textures terrain textures what about the circle mapping thing? ~3 people make rough maps, then they submit them forward to the next guy in alphabet (and the last guy sends it to the first one) or just some other mapper for continuing work, add stuff, then forward again. It's not chainmapping but is a bit related to it. Doesn't require so much work from a "glueguy". You can have an arbitrary number of steps and people and might even get your own early work back modified - whatever! The scheduling doesn't need to be rigid since you can shuffle the maps and mappers - a mapper can show up and say "I'll take the next ready piece to work on". Practical Themes
- functional machinery (the hacks thread would be helpful here) - pentagrams (the symbol) - quads and pentagrams (the powerups) - partially submerged Conceptual Themes - retreat and surrender - isolation - addiction - kindness and forgiveness What about a puzzle theme? I envision something like the Mario 64 water level, where he had to navigate a huge mass of metal piping and scaffolding to push buttons and do fun things like that. Would make for a nice bit of cerebral fun, different from the norm.
'The Island'
'Bunker' 'By the Light of Ancient Stars' 'Against all Odds' 'Exploratory Instincts' 'What if these two maps mated?' did everyone forget about speedmapping this week?
thanks for all the themes, but I guess I won't be needing them. sigh. [15:24] <Zwiffle> scampie: generic and neg!ke never showed up
[15:24] <Zwiffle> they always sent me maps at about 8:00 [15:24] <Zwiffle> same with drew That true? If that's how most speedmaps have gone, then should I rework how times go or something to better suit everyone else? is there any reason no one mapped this week that I can fix? I kinda feel at fault here, if everyone else was used to speedmapping one way, and I told you to do it differantly and that stopped you from participating, please speak up! If it helps, I usually map beforehand on Wednesday or Thursday and e-mail it in on Friday or Saturday before the event actually starts.
prison (prison love)
opression opressive moustaches garrish colors breeding factory green goo conveyer belts tree top/canopy red barns facilities (like goldeneye) ladders I didn't speedmap this week because I got distracted. I started a map early then got distracted and never got chance to finish it.
I think having a theme helps motivate people as well. I suspect the lack of a showing this week was mostly to do with the very loose feel it had this week. don't worry, it's not your fault at all.
in fact, i started a map, too, but i probably wasn't in the right mood and - after some 80 minutes - realized that it wasn't even half finished (i just didn't know how awesome the speedbase textures are), so i quit. after reading the posts above, however, i decided to finish it later on and send it in, so you can release it in the afternoon, for one map is at least better than none... i just can't stop...
forget what i said above - i guess i'll turn the map into some sort of semi-turtle map and send it in for next week, if that's okay. so I can blame all you then right? :D
very well. We'll do SM104 next week. Gonna toss up two of my favorite themes suggested and get an opinion which we should do: Theme 1: Secret Maps, only way to progress through the map is to find secrets. Theme 2: Aerowalk and Blood Run, sittin' in a tree, K I S S I N G.... er... I mean... Theme 2: What if two maps mated? Take 2 well know maps, and mix their themes/layout/whatever in some way to create your speedmap. I am fine with both, I'd like to do both, but on different weeks. Ie theme 1 this weekend and theme 2 the next.
Fuck, Scampie... you can be pretty fuckin cocky... and funny.
I'll have something for you. sounds like SM104 will be the Secret Speedmap. And why don't we do Two Maps Mate as 105.
Speedmap #104 will be happening this Saturday. The theme for this week is "Secret Maps". The map should consist of secrets as the major way to progress though the map. Hide the gold key! Put the goodies on the 'normal' path and monsters in the hidden rooms! Go nuts and make some unique secret puzzles! Timelimit is 100 mins, let's try to stick to it, but I've never been one to enforce the timelimit strictly. We will meet on IRC for the live event, on the Quakenet network (irc.quakenet.org) in #speedq1, at 3PM Central Time, this is 8PM UTC. If you can not make it, or wish to map beforehand, you may email me a map before Sunday at 3PM Central Time or get in contact with me beforehand. My email is scampie@spawnpoint.org. -Prison
-Clean Runic (Merged Headthump's "clean base" "rusty base" "scifi runic" and "gothic runic" into something silly :) ) -Use hacks from the 'Teaching Old Progs(.dat) New Tricks' thread to make weird maps -Propaganda -The City -Isolation -Partially submerged Any feelings on these? no idea wtf clean runic would mean, and I find myself hard to get ideas for Propaganda, and would progs.dat need it's own mod directory to run or is it not a modified progs.dat? I guess I need to check out the thread.
I'll try to make the next few weekends.
Partially submerged is a good theme that invites some intricate layout ideas. Nice to see the enthusiasm with which you;ve retaken over from Zwiffle. Hell I think I even spotted some humility in an earlier post ;)
GL guys, I need some Quack to stop me playing GW So maybe you won't get it. Hotmail won't let me send the file out, because apparently the bsp has a virus. this is (bad) news to me.
I'll see what I can do about this. So far, I've received maps from:
Generic Neg!ke Voodoochopstiks Drew and I'm expecting one from Tron tomorrow! Excellant work guys! (not played them yet, always set a rule for myself to only play them once I have them all) * Tron2 has quit IRC (Read error: EOF from client)
<Scrambler> FFS cheeker fucker, disappearing just after i completed his map first go <czgMapping> without saving? <Scrambler> i saved once but didn't load <Scrambler> was piss really <Scrambler> also, i only remembered it was a secret map near the end Have demo if you want. All of em were great, I think the Ebon Outpost was my favorite overall, very tricky but solvable - and drew's I couldn't get past the armor-button (what did that open?)so I noclipped past the bar. Anyway great pack, I'll try to join in next time as the theme seems a lot like one I suggested a long time ago.
Shamb: I do say in the text file that it turned into more of a button/key map than a true secrets map.
hey guys could next theme be "save your preres" wend maps should have more then 150 enemys? :)
p.s--->"preres" is very bad write but i dont know how it is...sorry for my shity english... Speedmap #105 will be happening this Saturday.
The theme for this week is "What if these maps mated?". For this theme, choose 2 or more somewhat well known maps and build your map as if it was a combination of them. Build an Aerowalk type map using the textures and such of Blood Run. Build a czg07 ripoff, but with the small size and ease of e1m1. Whatever you'd like, Deathmatch or Singleplayer. Timelimit is 100 mins, let's try to stick to it, but I've never been one to enforce the timelimit strictly. We will meet on IRC for the live event, on the Quakenet network (irc.quakenet.org) in #speedq1, at 3PM Central Time, this is 8PM UTC. If you can not make it, or wish to map beforehand, you may email me a map before Sunday at 3PM Central Time or get in contact with me beforehand. My email is scampie@spawnpoint.org. -Use hacks from the 'Teaching Old Progs(.dat) New Tricks' thread to make weird maps
-Partially submerged -Labyrinths I like the idea of differant themes that make the speedmappers try new things (secret maps), innovation is a big part of what makes speedmapping cool, so I'd like to head in that direction for the next couple SMs. "Partially submerged" and "Hacks of progs.dat" themes are those I really would like to see speedmaps for.. "Labyrinths" would be annoying, IMHO, if too complex, and I guess most of players would be completly lost in map finally... I have just in mind the example of an old map where there was a huge labyrinth (with huge pyramids.. I don't remember the map name, but regarding all the good map done today, it was really crappy...): it was really annoying to find my way in a labyrinth without any indications, and with monsters on each corners... cough.. Please don't do that :(
In anyway, it's just my taste... but I'm pretty sure good mappers of Func_ could do something really different and interesting.. wait and see... ;) You should... Mapping only to "please yourself" is not, IMHO, a good idea... Keep in mind that players should be the most important people at the end: i.e having "self-fun" when mapping is good, but giving fun to players with your stuff is so far better... though...
Just to elaborate: imagine pro mappers (e.g D3/HL2 mappers) having only self pleasure when mapping, regardless of gameplay, design, lightning, etc... the results could have been really crappy, don't you think ? And the games would have been completly different... So, do you really want to build speedmap pack full of shity map ?? I hope not ;P It's an excersize for the mappers. It allows them to break free of the inhibitions that trying to appease the public places on them with their bigger releases. It's a chance to get experimental and/or just have a laugh -without- having to worry about what the players are going to think.
As far as I can tell, that's the very purpose of speedmapping. you can do it for self-satisfaction but you should also make it for satisfaction of other mappers and other players. :) Whatever.
There was a huge long discussion about why people speedmap after Scampie ran Xen out of here, do it for whatever reason you want to do it, if it's for yourself then do it for yourself, if it's for the players then do it for the players. As long as you're satisfied.
I think the most difficult is to give satisfaction to most part of the players... Having "self-statisfaction" doing something is easy when you love what you do (whatever it is), but giving satisfaction to others is not so easy... unless you are a "pro".... and I'm talking about sex there
...and I'm talking about sex there
ooops: I mean and I'm NOT talking about sex there... I guess everybody understood... ;) strange, abstract designs (get on the hotdog?), wierd (but not stupid) gameplay.
dunno if this is a good idea or not. i'm saying abstract, but i don't mean ugly... it should still be cool looking, but shouldn't be your typical look to a map. speedmapping is like brainstorming. Some people/mappers throw some ideas in the air/in a map and other mappers can see them and think "well this would bee cool in my map - But I think I will change it like this
That's how I use the SMs! Besides having fun! Off course the players are important as well - but in SM more like playtesters. They shouldn't expect bugfree finished maps in speedmaps, and I'm sure they don't! If once in a while a SM is flawless and has greath gameplay well then it would bee the exception rather than the rule! this would bee cool in my map
it would bee the exception I knew they'd show up again sooner or later... :P I generally think the ones Scampie is choosing are good. I like this weekends. I like his thinking behind it.
I do however, think that labyrinths would be bollox and quite pointless for mapping creativity. a lot of the draw of speedmapping is that the mapper is free to experiment, screw around, and make something without pressure for it to be good and without a large time commitment. If people enjoy playing them then that's just a bonus, but not the goal.
However, there probably are some speedmappers who are actually trying to make something that people will enjoy. That's great, but not every mapper should be expected to do that. Personally, my big goal when speedmapping was to teach myself to map faster. I don't think i really ever learned that, however, becuase my regular maps still take forever. It is my absolute opinion that if your goal is to create something fun an exciting for the player, then you should spend a decent amount of time with it and make it worthwhile. If you want to fool around, make some things that normally wouldn't be acceptible, or just go crazy with stuff; then Speedmapping is the way to go. If the map turns out fun, then it's a bonus, but I run speedmapping for the enjoyment of the designers involved, not for the people who download and play the maps.
always (almost) make all my weird ideas in speedmaps. My most crazy one was sm61 (i think), the one with hourglasses and time travel idea. I know that I can make in sm things that I will never make in a proper map. And that's why it's fun for me.
And sometimes I speedmap for players without weirdness. and I DO WANT to make a labyrinth Hide the Phallic symbol.
Basically, the player needs to incorporate a fairly large phallic symbol and conceal it. Hide the Phallic symbol.
Basically, the mapper needs to incorporate a fairly large phallic symbol and conceal it as well as he can while it still being noticeable when looking for it. I may or may not be making one when I get home tonight, depending on how late I stay out. Should get one done at some point over the weekend though.
i'll do one on sunday morning, i guess.
as for the former sm104 map i was talking about earlier (#1108): it didn't work out the way i planned, because i haven't been able to really work on it due to various circumstances, then i was stupid enough to accidentally delete the so here is the map file for anyone who cares - maybe someone likes to use it as a base for a chain-, circle-, square- or whatever-map... http://home.arcor.de/negative/files/sb1k.zip don't worry, it's ok, I accidentally slept until 5pm today, missing the 'live' speedmap event.
I actually went with the "partially submerged" (or whatever) theme but I don't think I stayed with it very well. I swear, once these speedmaps start they seem to develop a theme of their own.
BTW, Scampie, you (should) have mail :) cramped,
natural terrain, cliffside, remake or pay homage to your favourite SM, acid trip, love machine, sewers, dark forest, towne, wind tunnels, arena, lookin forward to #105 was already done by nitin, i believe
(the name started with an n im sure of that!) those maps were awesome and insane it's just exploring its sensuality.
I agree though. What happened? I sent mine in. I have a request. Can a theme be chosen and posted a bit sooner than "one the day". Everytime I pickup Worldcraft I basically have to re-learn the damn thing. How about throwing a newbie mapper a bone here :)
Sm106, "Partially Submerged"
same times and details as my past speedmaps. and Megazoid, I try and post themes the Monday before the speedmap, that's almost a week ahead of time.
sounds great for a theme. I think I'll speedmap for it.
It plan to convert this theme into Partially Submerged Labyrinth for me. ...so the player is trapped in a maze AND drowning??
yay that's really cool =) I started to map and it turned into not-labyrinth, I'll make a labyrinth speedmap next time I would speedmap, but "Partially Submerged" doesn't float my boat! HA! :D :D :D
:D :D :D :D Well fuck you then. "Lunaran" Use his textures, use his layouts! Make maps celebrating the unknown lunaran legend!
Isn't he that guy that made that Dune mod or something?
Why don't you do a theme about Barballs instead? I'm sure that'd be much better. a theme kind of related to the geocomp one:
maps with only two textures (or has this been done already?) could bring forth some nice maps... or some very ugly ones :P Nali village, cave, dark castle, lava cave, lava dungeon, lava waterfall, lava sewer, cave, dungeon, sewer, Nali village, dungeon, sewer, cave, Nali cave, tall cave with the ceiling removed, cave, dungeon, cave, lava crate.
SM107 happens this saturday. Theme is 'Cramped'. I don't like setting limitations, but PLEASE DO NOT 'cramp' players using a million enemies, that's been done to death in SM maps. Instead, try to think about the use of cramped areas, little room for fighting and how best to use a couple monsters to cramp the player.
email a map to me before sunday at 3pm CST. scampie@spawnpoint.org Started to map and made something very pretty. kept mapping, and it got too complicated, and not fun, and I fell through the floor when I tried to play it. fuck.
I would not like to wait for the 41190 years and 6 months (we will obviously have speedmap pack 107 next week, and with one pack per week...) before seeing these cool speedmappind thread... I vote for Fire, Brimstone, and Paper Hearts themes for next week !!
Everybody remembers lines from crappy eighties sequels.
right? Anyways, mines in. Its cramped. its kind of cute, actually. Neg!ke, I hope you'll map. I miss your maps. Amusingly enough, I got distracted from making a cramped quake speedmap by my Doom3 project.
Oh, it would have been read as SM214-2016... it's so more "laughable" then... when correctly explained...
Reading again the post, there's still a mistake: it has to be read as SM 2-14-2016
since i don't have internet at home, i didn't remember the theme, but it actually somehow came towards that anyway - it's cramped at least for the monsters.. The ai is quite bad at navigating that even semi-crampy things are really hard for them as i noticed :(
had some cool ideas but never had time to get around to them when hunting trigger problems and a couple of leaks, and just then got tired and zipped it up and went to bed. i sent it to scamp on spawnpoint, is that the right email? Maybe, if you are too busy to host events on a regular basis a new method could be set up. Perhaps we could all just speedmap when we feel like it andsend it to Scampie to release as packs when he can.
Or not. not sure if I particularly *like* the idea, but I could handle it. What do you guys think? If Scampie is too busy then maybe someone else could host it. I would, but I'll be leaving my country/computer soon, plus I'd be completely unable to handle the website side of things. i had to move to another city, so i don't have proper internet access for at least another week. :(
maybe i'll do a map tomorrow, but i can't promise anything... what about the 'oddities' theme scampie suggested some time ago? as they come in, and if any do come in, I'll bundle them together into a pack in a few days, with some pics up of each on my ugly-ville site.
as they come in, and if any do come in, I'll bundle them together into a pack in a few days, with some pics up of each on my ugly-ville site.
I've got a few maps that I scrapped midway, due to unresolved Sessions. Might finish them off. Might not. Just back off dude - back off.
Theme Sugesstion #2094: CZGRPG I imagine some sort of yin-yang motif, good and evil, cats and dogs, pink and teal. CZGs the evil one, btw.
except that i finally managed to map! so i'll just send the thing to headthump then, right?
wtf is wrong with spawnpoint.org?
Notice: This domain name expired on 10/17/05 and is pending renewal or deletion for a couple of weeks without hitting my meg limit. If you want to send something you did for this weekend, no problem.
from Neg!ke.
Actually it most likely came a few hours ago while I was a sleep. I will get it all up and ready in a few. Thanks, Neg!ke! That was a fun level you made Neg!ke. I urge every one to pick this one up at,
http://www.geocities.com/alanr643/index.html I'll be back in the late part of the afternoon to see if any one else has a level to upload (I'll bundle them as they come in), and again after the Simpsons tonight (8:30 EST) I had to take the '!' out of the zip file name to get the Pagemaker uploader to work, sorry Neg!ke. On the last note in your e-mail, I hope so to. No promises yet, but I'll likely be in a position to change that situation in a few weeks.
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I died in the second room, will try again :D for being so arrogant and not clicking "preview"...
http://www.quaddicted.com/stuff/temp/sm108_negke.zip Cheers for that.
Nice one Negke, love the proper Zer style and the interesting gameplay, really good map for a speedmap. Have played Zer again recently and this had a good vibe to it. Need more! I've just found your e-mail, from Thursday I believe; sorry, I was playing with my spam filters around that time.
I'll get a snap shot and have posted up shortly. Short but pretty good,
Bambuz. If anyone else has a speed map, please get it to me by 8:30 PM and I will go ahead and bundle everything recieved by then. Bambuz map is now up for grab.
This week I was flying by the seat of my pants; if we have an event next week, I'll bundle them all first before release, that way there is a better chance of the maps being played. I would be happy to play host if Scampie can't fullfill that role at this time, and the Great Zwiffle has his head in the books. Though we'll need to find a home, my silly-dilly geocities site is just cutting the cheese. http://www.quaddicted.com/stuff/temp/sm108_bam.zip
;) Could Scampie just give you access to the http://speedq1.spawnpoint.org I could setup the domain speedq1.quaddicted.com (or what you like) and a bit of space (not much though, since I need it for the SP maps. maybe 100mb?). I would give you ftp access then, so you could upload whatever you want :) This is not meant as try to takeover of speedq1, heh. Just as temporary host of course! thanks ht for putting stuff up.
Zip em all into one like previous packs and start putting em to spirit's place. Then make a news post and post the url to the directory and mention your email and say that you are now handling speedmaps for a while. Cheers! Sorry if I am flogging a dead horse but I have been away on vaction and although it seems HT is handling SM108 well enough what the heck happened to SM107?
HeadThump, maybe you want me to send sm107_generic to you??? I was thinking of doing that with my sm107 map as well. Really busy right now, but not as busy as scampie, so I *will* get that to you next time I'm at my quakecomp.
it with next week's mapping event if you don't mind. You can go ahead and send it to me, Generic and I;ll do all the prep work for it for next week's event.
That is a great gesture of generiosity, Spirit. 100 Megabytes will be more than adequate for now. If my new job holds up, a full blown site will be possible in about a month's time. E-mail me at alanr643_at_msn.com for whatever necessary arangements need to be made. Spawnpoint should hopefully come back this week. At that time, I will give control of the speedq1 site the Headthump if he wishes to run the site.
I'm very sorry about being so 'away' these last couple weeks. Been very busy, never using my own PC at home for anything. things often happen that are beyond our control. I'll be glad to run the speedmapping events. It turned out to be alot of fun putting the maps and pics up the last few weeks.
we can make use of your the site for the next few weeks until Scampie gets the SpawnPoint matter sorted out. I appreciate the generosity of both of you.
Okay, any theme ideas? Something that most regular mappers would like to do. I think we can work out a system where each regular mapper gets the chance to call a theme for the fallowing week's speed mapping event. We can include regular commentators like AquiRe, Shambler, and Megazoid in the as well. I just want the most flexible and fair means of doing this that we can agree upon. It seems I might have some free time this weekend so it's possible I can crank out a speedmap of some sort. As for themes, I thought of a really good one a while ago but totally forgot it, so I'll just go with City in the Shadows or something. Bleh, that's a stinky theme.
Zwiffle can be the first theme picker.
Do you remember where you put the theme last? It is probably there. post news already of the speedmaps done...
Now no-one notices, either to dl or to start making new ones since it's all in the state of limbo still. mine, yours, and Neg!ke that came in by Sunday of last week will be bundled together as one package and Generic's map will represent a fresh start. If you prefer to have your map bundled with next week's offering, let me know. It isn't a problem.
However, a News Post for the informal arrangements of the past few weeks is not necessary. It would probably be overkill at this time. in your estimation, and that is okay by me, you can post a news item on the 107 & 108 sessions. Just include a brief discription of the three maps and a running man icon along with it and submit it to the moderators. They'll take it from there.
I have to be else where in thirty minutes, so you are in charge this afternoon. Hi. This is the qmail-send program at isp.novis.pt.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. <alanr642@msn.com> :( There is going to be some swank page put on Spirit's site to download the bundled, missed speedmap packages until Scampie's show is eventually back up and running?
And, what was that new theme exactly? I am sooo con-few-zed :) would get back with that, but apparently, school is more important than speedmapping to some ;)
Okay, if Zwiffle gets back with his theme idea, we'll go with his idea: Otherwise the theme will be: Mescaline. Just played that. That kicked ass, and also made me feel inferior. Good job, you talented ass. keep it up.
Cough. Hi.
Whenever what's-his-face gets spawnpoint back up I'd be happy to collect the maps and update the site (that takes about 5-10 minutes) but I won't bother participating in the event or coming up with themes. If Thump wants to do it then that's fine too, but you guys have to run it on your own until school's out, that is if you want me to run it again at all. ~_~ I also desire to play this fabled sm108_neg!ke. Gimme. some of Rorschach's more bazarre texture sets
http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/rorshach would fit the theme nicely. Just make sure whatever you use looks good in at least GLQuake. 'Hell'oween can be an alternative for anyone not interested in the Mescaline theme. Deadline 11:00 PM GMT (6:00 PM EST) Sunday nice to hear you liked my map.
i felt one owes it to zer to make something special when using those textures! drew: you don't have to feel that way - luckily you don't know how the brushwork looks. ;) bambuz: nice map. crossing these strange bridges was not all that easy in winquake on such a crappy machine as this... a.k.a. yes, i died. how does one open the quad secret? I have one map each from Trinca, Generic, and Drew at this time. Thanks, guys.
I hope to get the time tomorrow to make a map too. If anyone has sent a map in and isn't listed, please let me know. ...the last smpack I have is 106. We're talking 109 here... Where can I find the missing ones?
Thanks guys for endless hours o' fun... spoiler for sm107/8_bam
after you kill the fiend (that spawns if you go in the dead end), the quad secret opens for a while (8 secs or so)... :) I'm sending you one, I labeled it sm108 cuz I'm not sure what number we're officially on, but you should get it soon.
I'll have 107 108 The Lost Adventures of Speed Mapping up tommorow, along with SpeedMap 109.
Zwiffle, That makes my day, thanks. I got one in the oven, sm109_generic, but it needs a few more tweaks. Can I get it to you tomorrow (OCT 30)?
Yay, Zwiffle!!! I can hold off -- the Sunday 11:00 GMT deadline is a rule of thumb.
I'm thinking of making a small start level; I would make the end of levels on the individual maps into change_episodes (function name I'd have look up) back to a map named sm109. I'm going to start putting everything together now. If anyone has a late entry, don't worry, finish it at your leasiure, I've got a ton of things to do. I'll be around in some capacity 'til Midnight (11:00 EST.) That is when I expect to put everything up --
ah thanks. i did find the fiend, but i just thought it was a funny joke without triggering something...
Thanks, I just got your speedmap. I can't wait to play it when I get in tonight. If you like, go ahead and post a theme idea for this coming 110 event.
the theme of the map i sent you could be described as 'monotony', but i really can't decide on a theme for the others now.
i'd like to have the 'oddities' theme sometime in the future, though (not sm110!). there were also some other nice suggestions in the past, but i have to leave now, so there is no time to go through them again. dunno... would that require a bit more time?
And somebody would need to make a wad... the outdoor and the broken textures seemed very nice there, though I don't know how they'll fit with the q1 palette. or so of Rorshach's Temple textures converted to the Quake palette. It took a bit of work to get the fullbrights out, but I think they go pretty well with the Wizard.wad.
If there is interest in this theme, I can convert most of the rest of that set and combine them with the wizard wad. By the way, Rorshach does threaten in his readme text to shoot anyone who forgets to credit him. Given he works for Epic now I better take heed. should i send my next map to same email again???
this week the map is a litle better :) maby someday i will make a good one...still learning! My next SM will be Big. That is my theme. I already have a vague idea of what I'm going to do. So Ima do it, and you can't fucking stop me. but I suggest you join in on my "BIG" theme.
all the big stuff i've done looks even worse than the medium scale stuff, but i just might do something.
yes, I have your map.
You asked a question in your e-mail. You should have my answer in your box, if not, let me know. Generic, Drew's mutiny was an entire success. I can only confirm the answer that 'big' is indeed the theme from my vantage point on the tippy end of the gangplank. I'm aiming to get everything out by 3:00 EST Sunday, (8:00 PM GMT). That way the maps can still be played during the weekend. you are having an ISP problem which could effect whether you can view your e-mails or not. I'll correct that door issue for you Saturday afternoon, and send you a copy of the map back then.
I'm going to try to finish up my map before playing anymore levels; aside from Trinca's of whom's level I need to test out a bit before mailing back.
I know Generic will - he's like a rock. And he's aside from being a constantly horny guy, I know I can count on him showing up for SM. Trinca and HT obviously. Myself... Neg!ke? Are you going to show up? Anybody else?
Neg!ke has a map for this one. I can confirm too that I got the update Neg!ke, it's not a problem if you need to tweak anything further.
you may not have recieved my e-mail. I'm going to need you to do a virus scan on your file attachment and rescend the map. Sorry, it won't open.
I just had to go and watch some shite (American) football game yesterday, but I'm on it. HT, you should have something from me by the end of the day today :)
i tried to do something big and non-quakey and it just didn't fucking work neither from graphics or gameplay view so it's better i don't try to finish or submit it. :/
I set my origianl map aside as it was too ambitious for an afternoon affair. For the past hour I've worked on something quite a bit more simple.
BTW, can anyone get in touch with Trinca? I've emailed and posted here, but I have not heard from him. If you see this, Trinca, you have plenty of time still to correct the matter. about 7:30 EST (30 minutes from now. Generic, Bambuz, and Trinca if you send a map in before then or tell me you need some more time, I'll hold off.
Oh yes, Bambuz, I'm going to write a discription up for the News, and send it your way. Generic,
Four maps always seem a more complete, and meatier playing meal to me that a three xourser! I see Scampies site is down, and read somewhere that he has left the community? I thought he had returned, but anyway, is there anywhere I can get the following packs?, as I seem to have misplaced them, or is Scampies site expected to return?
Turtle map 100 SM82 Rubicondom SM_106 SM_105 SM_104 SM_103 SM_102 SM_100 http://67.15.24.154/~speedq1/files/
(All credit to CZG for knowing the IP address and the "~"-trick! Thank you very much. Can't find Sm82 though, there is a link for SM82 wad.zip, but not the pack.
How could a
I wondered about that myself, but MSN refused to download it. I tried to do it through Hotmail, and that is where I got a report that the file contained a virus. I like your solution, Trinca.
I'll compile it, correct that door, and include it in next week's speedmap pack. they're both a microsoft service? (msn & hotmail)
Maybe you should get speedq1@gmail.com. Easy to remember and a gig of space to store all those maps in your inbox. use AquiRe's conversion utility that takes out the Quark format specific elements first, so later tonight when I get back in I can compile and check it out.
GtK is easier. (Except for setting up Quoth to work with it!)
Which reminds me, I'd participate in speedmapping this weekend if I could get Quoth working, I want to play with the new toys. If not, then I'll just play the lovelies once they're released. you can change textures with shareware and do everything else too? Get worldcraft 1.6 SW. I think I have that.
Or then use gtkradiant. It's a bit more keyboard-intensive so the start requires some key learning but it's pretty easy too. Just put your texture wads to id1/ I think. And I think reading and doing tutorials is probably the fastest way to learn. let me try for more days Quark at least for have the idear of things... my 3 map is getting nice :^)
Quark is nice editor. You just need to be aware of the floating point shit, that's all afaik. I love Quark and find it super easy to map with it. Never got any Radiant to work properly...
That's just the problem. You never have tried other editors because
1) you don't get them to work (takes 20 minutes) 2) you don't learn them (takes a few hours) These are bad excuses. Yeah, one thing I was going to recommend was AquiRe's new define file.
BTW, I've been away the last forty-eight hours, I did not know I was going to be sent out of town, so, my apologies JPL, I still don't have the screenies. and theme ideas -- I have a few,
1) sloppy seconds, 2) Quoth, in honor of those magnificent bastards, Necros and Kell. fuck fuck fuck can anyone say me why does the player dont teleport??? i did like this...
http://trinca.no.sapo.pt/tele.jpg http://trinca.no.sapo.pt/tele1.jpg Ok, try to clean targetname field in shot 2 (i.e trigger_teleport targetname field). This will allow you to use the teleport whenever you want. If you set this field, you will have to trig the teleport before using it... (i.e, like a switch on).. Also if you want to trig the trigger_teleport targetname field, it would be judicious to choose a different name but teleport_destination (already used by item teleport_destination)
I hope it will help you ;) JPL u rockzzzz thks it worked!!! :) is normal to Quark that i got many holes in map and red things all oveer the place wend i compile??? and i dont see any hole?
I see you are using QuArK, and sometimes QuArK Search Holes In Map function is a little bit weird, and find holes that don't exist, so don't use it any more... ;P...
I rather prefer to us TxQBSP to find holes !! If there are leaks in map, TxQBSP will find them for sure... the tool find holes in map while there are not. OK, Personnaly I used this "flow": - aguirRe's TxQBSP - aguirRe's vis - Tyrann's Tyrlite - AguirRe's engine or FitzQuake Note that I used aguirRe's engine for map debug, i.e to find holes, leaks, HOM, etc... and FitzQuake for lightning effects checking.. in general So for your problem, I recommend you to load the map with aguirRe's engine, open the console, and type pointfile. A doted line will appear in the zone where the hole have been found, and then you would be able to solve it.. PS: your last 2 posts would have been posted into Mapping Help Thread... in anyway, I hope it helped you ;) I only map at work! at home my kid dont let me do nothing...
For me it's completly the reverse, I'm too busy to map at office... and at home I always need to drop my 2 daughters to bed in order to map quietly... How lucky you are to be able to map at work... P deciding the theme is Quoth, we need a general consensus, or, at the least, a good old fashion mutiny.
Necros has a tutorial on his site regarding adding the content. And, if I am not mistaken, there is a option in Quark that allows you to convert Radiant define (.def) files into the Quark format. given there is a
I got your
we should make sming quothable. the teleport functions, etc... speed things up. I might make all of mine quoth once the fgd comes out. not that I'll have many more as I'll be out of country soon.
not that I'll have many more as I'll be out of country soon.
You are an irreplaceable part of the Speed Mapping line up. HeadThump the map had two bugs i fix the map is in same page with this name...
metalr.bsp a stuck dog and amo boxes is strange places... ... and I know I've only ever contributed to two speed mapping sessions (sm57 & sm82), but I thought the idea was always to build with vanilla quake in mind. Kell & necros need to be lauded for their contribution to the Quniverse, but is speed mapping the place?
I don't see why we should forbid people from making Quoth speedmaps. Surely that should be acceptable as well, and since normal Quake maps are backwards compatible I don't see any problem really. I was planning on Quoth speedmapping if I ever got it to work (damn you spog answer my email.)
we do Quoth, I was going to suggest, instead of using sm111, sm112, etc, as the naming convention, we use an alternative identifier for that week, so those who do download speedmaps, expecting vanilla Quake content wont be confused about it if they so happen to dl the pack at a much later date.
Any Quaker who is hardcore enough to need a weekly fix - unvised and short lasted though it may be - will have Quoth already.
Period. Fuck the grammar police... any quaker who is hardcore enough to need a weekly fix - unvised and short lasted though it may be - would have gone nuts with withdrawal symptoms by now... :P
I don't like posting 3 times in a row, but is anybody else into SMing? I just realised that if this was any other forum, you'd all probably think I was a fairly kinky guy. On Func you just think I'm a fairly dorky guy.
What is happening? I'm leaving for Thailand on the 29th, and I want some more speedmaps before then, goddammit! So sit on your lazy asses and build shit! but what's with headthump, anyway? quothed smpack should have been out last weekend already, right?
will sm111 be unthemed again then? That the last thing Headthump said to me was that I was an irreplaceable part of the community. I don't know if he realised it at the time, but in his current position,I'd say we'll have more trouble replacing him. I'll just make some shit and if I finish anything I'll send it off to the proper people.
Headthump wasn't here for 6 days now. I could make the packaging if you want (if Headthump doesn't come back in time). My mailaddress is in my profile. If I get a mail but Headthump is back soon enough then I'll forward it to him.
he's just busy and will eventually return on the weekend - we'll see.
drew, about that thailand thing - how long will we have to do without you then (assuming you won't get busted for drugs/girls/throwing litter on the street/etc.)? No need to worry about me being busted for drugs/girls/throwing litter on the street.
I'm into ladyboys. I'll be gone for a year and a bit. And I expect you to have made a 6 map Quoth episode dedicated to me during that time, Neg!ke. I'm not together with cybear. we've actually been divorced for more than a year. Seriously though, is he going to Thailand? western young men go there and abuse kids and women and don't even get punished. It's outrageous. I mean it. Behave.
While I am a western young man, I want to ensure you understand I'll be going with my girlfriend, and as I have already stated I am into Ladyboys.
"Hey Drew,
My apologies. Last weekend the power supply on my home PC burned out, and I will likely not be able to replace it until after the Holiday season, so I'm not in a position to run speedmaps at this time. Sorry, Alan If you could let the other mappers know, I will appreciate it. " This explains so much. Would somebody like to trade with me? I have the beginning of a SM, and I'd like to have somebody finish it.
I'll trade with you too, if you'd like. whaddya think? If you use GtK 1.5, would like to send the
Well, I've got Trinca's and mine (yeehaw!) submissions already. Who's submissions can I expect? Just that I know when I've got all the files. I want to bundle and post tomorrow evening (24h from now) if possible.
and i'm pretty fucked up atm., but i'll try to have mine done by 9/10pm gmt today (sunday). if that's too late for you just ignore me and release the pack earlier...
Negi!ke, Generic, someone...
Does anyone want to finish my map. it's barely started, but that's not the fucking point, so back off. it looks like the map will be done much later than i said this morning. sorry about that.
i'll send it in sometime this night, but there's no need to stay awake, if releasing the pack on monday is okay as well. I am running behind too and I won't be able to finish what I got until tomorrow (Monday) evening :(
Well, I've got neg!ke's map now and will release the pack in a moment. Sorry generic, but that would delay the release a bit too long in my opinion. I mean, it's SPEEDmapping ;)
I'm not a friend of moving sm maps into the next pack (like sm111_generic in the sm112 pack then) but I should not wait until the end of all days I think. I hope this is ok... Maybe you can have sm112_generica and sm112_genericb then or something :> Come on! I think/thought Speedmapping is held on Saturdays normally. The last packs it seemed bit like a "somewhen on the weekend" event. It is getting more and more out of hand it seems. This weeks speedmapping was kind of a mess so I volunteered to collect and package the maps. I wanted to be a bit strict on the deadline. If you feel leftout now, then I apologize. You are welcome to do the job next time, the hosting at Quaddicted.com is easy and free.
you did a good job.
Some shit-getting is inevitable, one has to just make bold decisions and act. (Few come to thank afterwards or say that it's the right thing, but I think it was in this case). More discipline! Less slack! I thought Spirit did a good job with the event, no shit-giving intended. I just thought it was hair-splitting to release something Monday morning versus Monday night. Oh well...
Bambuz, go map! Spirit is a reverse-gargoyle, and turns to stone during the night.
But yeah, thx for collecting/hosting the maps, good pack but I didn't finish the crate map (lost/dizzy/bored.) Oh well O_o Because of Thanksgiving this week (w00t for American holidays) I'm going to have a 4-day weekend, so I'll be able to map this weekend! Yay! Someone pick a theme!
Sure there must be a deadline.
It can't matter that much if a map is in one pack or another. After all there are only 7 days between packs (Well most of the time 8-)) Sunday would be fine as the release day. Nice you jumped in and collected/hosted the maps Spirit! Thanksgiving is just the opposite for me -- I won't have any opportunity to do any mapping :( -- but I do have an idea for a theme. How about doing what I was working on for sm111, a space/runic metroid-inspired map that'd make you wish you could roll up into a little ball and drop bombs all over?
Or maybe we all could take a stab at finishing that piece of a map Drew was working on? Actually I've got a couple. I could try to put a zip together before I leave, if I get around to it.
"build a map based on one of drew's scraps" or something...
I support it. Push 'em up, Drew?
(or mail to my gmail address, meizah, so I can mirror them) Btw hrim do you have lots of scraps? I mailed my zip to Spirit. Hopefully he'll put that shit up soon. I want to see the results, it would be very rewarding for me.
hrim do you have lots of scraps?
No I hardly have any. The stuff I make allways seems to make it into a bigger map or I just finish it of as a small map. You have mail :)
I haven't said that in a while. If you can't do something with it, could you please get it to someone who can. CHEERS! Swanky map. Too bad IT WILL NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY! I'm keeping it ALL to myself!!! MUAHAHAHA!
I upload the archive as sm112_drewscraps.zip since it is the theme or what?
http://www.quaddicted.com/filebase/sm112_drewscraps.zip If I shall do the packaging again then the deadline will be Monday morning, 10am German time (that's GMT isn't it?). This is Sunday evening/night for America I think so it should be fair ;) since there is no theme i think this one will be my map... just a light of one part...
http://trinca.no.sapo.pt/01.jpg trinca: the theme is to do something with drew's map scraps (spirit's link above). of course you're free to follow any other theme you want.
drew: i'd say you should be forced to make a chainmap from all those scraps as a penalty theme for giving out so many huge and good-looking pieces! >:] But I can't do much now. No time left for fucking inspiration! I've got to pack!
You do it for me, mkay? were far too good for my lowly mapperishness.
So I didn't do anything this week. Gotta try the newest pack. I hereby force "rescue mission" to be theme for the next session (thanks to Scampie for the idea). This theme offers a lot fresh (or not much used) ideas I think, like backtracking(?),rewarding and such. Deadline is next Monday, 9 am GMT again. Mail to spirit@quaddicted.com
I'm only running speedmapping because no one else does, if you want to run a session yourself just speak. Upload to Quaddicted is possible for everyone :) that's a beautiful idea. it brings tears to my eyes and so forth. seriously though. rescue mission theme is the shit.
this week i will pass...still working hard in my small project... :)i need to learn slowly and since jpl, gibbie and neg|ke help me a lot last week, this week i realy wany to make a good stuff...at least clean...
Neg!ke was the only one who mapped then? This will be the first single map sm package :(
His map rocks! well, there have been single map packs before, mostly when nobody besides zwiffle mapped.
if my map is only included in the next pack make sure the not selfimposed theme is mentioned (before anyone gets strange ideas :P) spirit if deadline set to tomorow, i will try to make a fast map today at work and send it to you wend i get home tonight!
I just released the pack :)
What about next week's session/theme then? Or should there be a break? Do you want a session this week? I was a bit worried after last weeks "success"... There should be at least 3 people/map in my opinion. Otherwise it is not really what a "speedmapping session" is about, eh?
I would love to have "art" as theme for some future session, just because sm48 was so awesome and I think "art" would encourage more such maps. Ha! neg!ke will decide this weeks theme, he deserves it :) let's do the "use only one texture" theme then!
i suggest using a more detailed texture (eg. metal4_2, as i will), for it should have multiple stylistic elements that allow variations (trigger clip, skip don't count of course). be creative - rotate, scale, flip, align in a weird way and so on... we could do the "art" theme next week, although in my view it's too broad - every quake map is art eventually, isn't it? ;) maybe it should be narrowed down a bit. "Use only one texture" means geocomp? The design is in the brushwork and no so much in the textures, yes?
but it's more about how you use the one texture you have - brushwork is of course one aspect, but the 'texturework' is what counts most here...
dunno if it works, or if it's just a more restricted geocomp. let's just give it a try. I map every day at work. And i'm currently doing a sauerbraten map at home. What more do you jackals want?!?!
but what i meant by "trigger,.. don't count" was that you can freely use them besides the one visible texture
didn't use any but that metal 1_4 or whatsit, the greyish thingy with the recessed skulls.
Even for ceiling and clips and triggers etc. lighting with torches and flames. How bout a speedmapping session from concept drawings (not 2d layout which has been done in the past)... someone said that published early concept drawings that don't lead to much final stuff seem to be all the rage nowadays. So let's swim against the trend and actualize some!
we had a related theme where we drew an intentionally vague layout sketch and people interpreted it the way they thought it was supposed to be.
yeah, but that one would be somewhat different i guess...
fuck i need more variacion in my maps... :( guess i have to make then smaller and more detailed :( but i like big hodes :(
but i can't be arsed to find a suitable image.
someone post a few examples and we'll then decide which one is to used...? I tried making some but they turned out crap. If no-one will make better ones, I can put them out.
Hints on how to draw with mouse? I don't have drawing talent, but I think I could improve... After the guys in irc said I should go ahead:
Ziggurats are cool. Strange. They are huge very ancient stepped brick "pyramids" with a temple on top. Stair walkways led up there. It is rumored that the tower of Babel was actually a big ziggurat. They were most popular in the flat plains of Mesopotamia, thousands years BC. There are still some Ziggurats left, particularly in middle Iraq. Strange tales and cuneiform tablets telling of horrible dictators building these massive things. It is rumored that one ziggurat was entirely covered in blue stone. http://www.crystalinks.com/ziggurat.html http://i-cias.com/e.o/ill/ziggurat_large.jpg this one is a big link: http://www.uned.es/geo-1-historia-antigua-universal/CURRICULUM%2003/zigurats.htm btw here are some color codes for a ziggurat:
http://www.belteshazzar.com/article.php?id=1 It's hard to get good monsters for that... medievals are too modern, hell this is supposed to be the bronze age. Not much wizmets suitable either. Kell? What is that? Did you have an old sketch or are you participating? Makes me bow down in shame. christmas chainmap - everybody makes a piece of some winter village for instance, with snowy textures and light chrords; when they are glued some santa gibbing end fight could added...
or something like that. Built it...
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1378/sm115generic5yv.jpg But I may hold on to this one for next time... So I've got one map by neg!ke so far...
Generic, it would be great if you finish that one. Just tell me when you are done, send it to me and I will release the pack then. Bambuz, where is yours? I haven't received it... spirit@quaddicted.com?
Please send again =) Generic: Shall I wait for you finishing that map? This time I won't say "i don't wait" ;) If you feel like waiting I should be able to get you something tonight -- I am currently at work and unable to map :(
Just take your time! *^_^*
Bambuz: Got your mail now. Please choose a more intelligent subject line the next time, I think I just deleted the mail when scanning over my inbox this morning :P I had ziggurat in the subject line?
What's wrong with people.. If their incompetent spamfilters don't get the post, they themselves delete them. What is this weeks theme? I can't connect to Quakenet because it blocks asian ips, but would like to join in if the theme is cool.
In sydney now, can only enjoy sm vicariously through screenshots.
Desert Half life Mountain Indiana Jones - I'm thinking about the part where he has to pass tests to move on. And about the part with the bad dates - work that in somehow. underwater beat the clock "Carrot tops last stand" Church Ugly ugly ugly map - pure "old skool" ugliness Nothing but a shotgun prison escape xmas theme? that's all I can think of. okay. ziggurats look cool. Since adamllis already submitted a great trickjumping map, I set next sessions theme to "Tricking Maps". With stuff like grenade- and rocketjumps, circlejumps, slopejumps and whatever else. I don't know everything that is possible. Maybe there is some page explaining this stuff? If you use really hard/complicated tricks then maybe a trigger_once or _multiple with instructions for unexperienced players would be cool.
Note that the maps have to be finishable with NQ progs! No QW bunnyhopping stuff please. Deadline is Monday morning, European time as usual. Send your maps to spirit@quaddicted.com Maybe you find some inspiration on this site:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/qwta/ (remember that these tricks are QW, not NQ!) Don't forget mapping guys ;)
(Just because I just totally forgot that I announced a theme here... Heh!) how about an m c escher theme for the next speed map pack? i always thought a map in that style would own.
No submissions except for adamllis whose maps I already got a ~week ago? What's wrong?
I'll package and upload in a few hours. fuck i got many work at work... from day 1 to day 10 is hard work... and this month is end of the year...s0 the work is double!!! maby in next event i will have time...
P.S-> at home i dont map... prefer to play online :) We are friday 13 today... so "ogre massacre" would be a good theme... remember the movie ;)
i like JPL idear! i got some time for it today at work :) finish end of year 2005 last day... uf uf uf
I'm leaving next week for some time, so I can't "administrate" sm sessions anymore. You are welcome to upload to Quaddicted (please stick to my screenshots and description). ;)
all because of the goddamn ladyboys...
i guess i'll have to run the next couple of sessions then (so you didn't upgrade my account for nothing). personally, i'd prefer the escher theme over the ogre one - but what do the others think? btw. zwiffle, where are you? :/ That is short for "M. C. Escher" the famous artist. http://images.google.com/images?q=M+C+Escher&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images
I mean, Ogre.
Which reminds me, anyone checked out the Ogre animations in the Quake pre-release? Jump...Laugh...Piss? On my wintery map. Like every other day for 15 minutes or so. Mostly WoW and AoE3 though. I'll have time to speedmap during summer though!
sm117 theme: "m.c. escher", optional subtheme: "ogre massacre"
get inspiration at http://www.mcescher.com or rpg's link above. or if you like ogre massacre better just make an ogre map and put some alibi stairs on the ceiling. ;) send your map to neg1ke/gmx/net by monday afternoon cet. that was too short, indeed. so sm117 will be next week (theme above) - deadline is monday 23 january, 9am cet.
and, since the last couple of themes were decided upon so late, i will already announce the next one now: sm118 theme: "darkness" (thanks to vongil for bringing it up) - make an underlit, dark map. not pitch black of course, more doom3ish. maybe have the player find some hidden buttons that activate lights or 'light drones', and nasty monster ambushes and so on. deadline is monday 30 january, 9am cet. unfortunately, i have no time for speedmaping this week, but i can still manage the pack of course.
decide! i think dmm4 maps for qw is easy doable in 100 minutes.
things like amphi, oldcrat, end, dmm4_1, dmm4_2, under, etc how bout it? o.k adamllis u win the price :) going to start one... ehehheh if people send me the bsp sunday i can make a qwprogs supporting frogbots for just this bsp pack... dmm4 maps are realy easy to make waypoints ;)
the theme is so bleh that every participant has to make at least 3 maps!
while i think rocket arena styled maps are generally not bad (if played in the right mode), the maps mentioned above are a punch in the face for the most part... omg then what about make a turtle map for next week? i got one scrap that i will be happy to finish ;) with some more copy paste in some areas could be a nice turtle...
what do u guys think??? free theme and a turtle map? or a id base stile of map? omg someone say something. :p it is permitted that one should they choose so to map for themselves and thus not in the company of others and the result will be a surprise.
cartoon.
arena. vertical cave with waterfalls. old school. no monsters. Square. Graveyard. Ghetto. and yours is the only map i got.
what shall i do now - release it, wait until next week, or possibly slap the other bums around with fish? u decide :) my map sucks...eheheh :) copy paste copy paste like u teach me neg!ke ;) ehehehe
u decide! i think u should make sda kind of maps :) since they are the most people that download our maps... explosion boxes things that could make good runs!!!
I support the generic mapper.
Think about the face on mars. (http://www.astronomie.de/bibliothek/artikel/mars/mars-explorer/face-on-mars.jpg) Or what about Fritz Lang's Metropolis, for those who have seen the early scene of ***SPOILER***. Or wizard of oz. A powerful symbol, it is. And could be scary. The complete works of Radiohead and their influence on modern interpretations of Shakespeare, Plato and Dante.
trinca: i think your map is nice, your best sm so far. i didn't have much time the last two weeks, and also felt that putting out a pack with only one map isn't really worth the effort (as seen with sm113) - shouldn't be a problem, since your map doesn't follow any theme in particular.
drew: concerning your vertical cave suggestion - sm80 was 'vertical swamps'. those were some cool maps. as for the themes: thanks for all the suggestions. however, in my view most of the themes suggested in the past ~300 posts either suck ass or are not really suited for a speedmap. maybe we should just have an open theme for this week (so you can make your sda and faces, or a happy map for czg), and think about everything else later... ;P "flat 15"
think of english concrete blocks and vast dirty housing complexes where sad children grow up with their single mothers, men watch football and an odd skinhead scrapes the floor with a knife. sm120.
i wasn't very creative, so i only came up with "pipeagula" (coagula with pipes). else? sm120.
i wasn't very creative, so i only came up with "pipeagula" (coagula with pipes). hello? first it looks like func swallowed my first post, then it suddenly appears ten minutes later?!
i'm off to pq ;( drew: nah, the face thing has been done in sm119 ;)
plus i'm not really in the mood of seeing more kjsp1-style maps (remember, this ikwhite-like temple map), what do the others think though? anyway, i'd like to apologize for my crappy way of managing the events and their irregular appearance. at the moment, i have a shitload of work to do and since i also suck at managing my own ways of dealing with things, i can't focus on anything else (no multitasking, you know). i hope in the next weeks it will be back to normal. in the mean time, here is the theme for sm121: "destruction" let the player blast his way through the level, with lots of exploding walls and collapsing structure. or create the setting of a destroyed environment. possibly, destroy someone's attitude/ dreams/ reputation/ taste/ whatever... i think this will be fun to map. deadline is monday 20 march, 9am cet. Take a look at http://www.gamers.org/dEngine/quake/QDP/qmapspec.html
You have there all the explanations about all items/funcs/monsters/misc in Quake... You need to use misc_explobox for Large Nuclear Container, and misc_explobox2 for Small Nuclear Container... But nobody said it has exclusively to be used with nuclear boxes :P The only way for me to take part in the SM community right now is by offering theme suggestions that nobody likes:
2D like in doom. Prison Break. evil dead cabin style. assassin. american splendor. I think that may be the most fascinating, original and invigorating suggestion yet.
Go for it. the British are coming...
I mean, my map is coming... my map is coming... It just needs a few more explosives and a way out :) but I won't be able to do anything until after 6 p.m. EST :( Please don't be mad :) Unlike Trinca, I can't map at work :| What's the theme? I'm on vacation this week and have nothing to do (can't even masturbate all day cuz my family is home) so gimme another theme quick so I can get my map on.
something like "(drew's) prison escape", in honor of our exilant. but since masturbation seems to be a highly valued subject in today's mapping societies, i'm not sure anymore.
so i'll take the easy way this time and put the decision into zwiffle's hands: which will be the next theme - prison break, masturbation (please no - i already made such a map, remember ;)) or evil dead cabin? In case you didn't see all of the topic, the theme is:
EVIL DEAD PRISON RAPE BREAK OUT MASTURBATARY HAPPY TIME! although i don't know if i find the time to map this week, i think, if i do, the outcome won't be nice towards drew. :/
so let it be known that it'll be ALL zwiffle's fault! the theme, 'EVIL DEAD PRISON RAPE BREAK OUT MASTURBATARY HAPPY TIME!' in the PlanetQuake news announcement.
don't forget to include what is becoming the mandatory lady boy sub theme.
And super strong dogs using prog trickery. lol Jpl... penis? wtf? u should want to see pussys everywere... what is going on with you mu friend???
Nothing... I was joking... Note also that it's easier to map a penis than a pussy
Oh ! To reassure everybody: I'M NOT GAY !! PLEASE WAIT. SCANNING FOR COCKS:
. . . SCANNING . . . SCANNING . . !COCKS FOUND! LOCATION OF COCKS: YOUR MOUTH AND EARS AND NOSE AND ASS AND MOUTH AGAIN OH MY GOD SO MANY COCKS PRODDING AND POKING AND PENETRATING Oh, I forgot to ask: what were you going to say about the fact I'm french ? Please, make me laugh... ;P
i rate zwiffle 1 can of "creamed" corn with a hidden cock inside and a bag of stolen kitten feces.
generic, even though driven by a noble cause, shouldn't dabble at playing soccer, since the u.s. team obviously won't even qualify. therefore: no maps this week. sm122 postpo(w)ned until next week... I got snatched off to visit grandparents on Thursday until the end of my vacation! I had no access to Quake and was forced to resort to Advance Wars 2: Black Hole Rising for entertainment (good game btw.) I'll try to finish my rape map this Friday!
it's the right address, but as i already replied you didn't attach the file. so send it again asap, as i can't be arsed to write news posts for only one map (generic's).
i couldn't be arsed to throw in some lava light to make a certain entity non-black, i'll do it and relight and send it to you tonight when i get home.
Sorry. Cheers to all. The map's not really worth waiting for. :) Are you still with your grandparents or something?
I would've thought the theme you had suggested would be right up your alley. "a tribute to the dopefish"
to celebrate its 15th birthday (in 8 months :P). try to send it in until monday/tuesday. Dopefish shit looks cool.
So much going on right now! I'm gonna relapse into Quake so hard when I get back. i might be out, too. so the deadline will be one week later.
although i strongly encourage mapping over the easter days if anyone feels like it! also, having some more people than just the regular suspects would be rather nice.. ;) Concept art of this vast project:
http://skynet.campus.luth.se/~chosen/bam/neverending_inspiration_of_natures_beauty_for_my_speedmap.jpg If there are no others in a few days, I'll put it on skynet... feel free to mail me, bambuz at elaintarha org. Since nobody else was making other maps for easter, here is mine. You can put it in the pack later, neg!ke if you want or sth. Because of the theme it has to be released now.
http://skynet.campus.luth.se/~chosen/bam/sm124_bam.bsp i'll include it in the pack next week.
if this is how you experience your easter, you must have had quite a sad childhood. ;) the egg isn't even painted... the spawn action was fun (although there could have been more), except for when some got stuck in the corners - at least nice sounds then. hey, don't worry, it's not my childhood, rather, it's just my current mental state of development.
not literally. that's been done, I think.
Remember that one CZG map where you have to complete it in 2 minutes or you die? that would be a cool theme... how was that done btw? or maybe a tribute theme... do an insomnia styled sm. or do one of your favourite themes from the past... drew's timelimit idea sounds cool. let's do it for sm125! which czg map do you mean, though?
jpl: elaborate. Well, if you saw the moovie, it's self explanatory.
Nevertheless, here follows how I see the stuff: The start with a teleport, using "new" textures, or at least base texture (you are in the "present") The map and the fights in an old-school way, using medieval/runic textures... (you are in the past)... get a key to come back And the return in "the future" at the same point: use the key to exit... Well... rather more than a scenario :P What do you think ? making the whole of episode 1 in one map... maybe that'd better fit a turtlemap theme though.
Like have a room of each e1mx. :) A medley. yes, why not. though one would have to think up something more intricate to avoid all maps from being equally generic. the future doesn't always have to be base - in this respect, what is the timeline of the quake sets?
So time travel would cover all the potential possibilities:
-> present -> past -> present -> present -> future -> present -> future -> present -> past.. etc i'd have to disrupt the space-time continuum to make it more interesting...
I'd go back in time to aprox. 1942, kidnap a certain actress, go forward in time to steal a duplicator machine, come back to the present and start up an escort service of Rita Hayworth clones.
Don't take the theme away from me. It's all I have down here!
Seriously though, I like that idea. it's like that JF Gustaffason (orwhatever) map. .. Daikatana already used the space-time concept... and it was not really successfull... though...
Sadly, no. I mean, i've got other things. Like a very interesting real life, right now. Just want to keep one finger in the quake community. That wasn't meant to sound so dirty.I know you liked it though.
Neg!ke, I am going to have to pass on SM124 but, if you get a theme together soon enough, I swear I'll take a shot at SM125 :)
Thx... neg|ke i will not have time to make my ship :\ boss is pissing me up all day... FUCK!!! can the dead line be changed for next week???
i think this theme is very nice! and we might have more maps if it come to next week, but maby u already got 2 or 3 maps... let us now! trinca, do you think you can manage to map tomorrow? i don't have a problem with waiting one or two days, but delaying the pack for another week is kind of bleh.
so far, i only got one spaceship map (mine) and bam's sad easter one. of course you can also make a spaceship one and send it in for the next pack... generic, sm125 theme is "timelimit". maps that have to be completed in a limited amount of time (gameplay-wise) - if the player exceeds the limit, he has failed and cannot finish the map, or at least will have to do it without weapons/items and other annoying things... drew will never play quake again. :\ is the chinese chicks take him all the power...eheheh
i will try negke but tomorow is holly day in Portugal... if my kid give me some time to map i will try for sure i promiss! so, any luck at overcoming holiday lethargy? shall i wait some more?
looks like it's going to be a pretty meager pack again, even though i've done another small map (which sucks, but at least served as good exercise to see how kell's void lighting technique works)... then i'll just release the pack now and you can finish your map without pressure until next week.
btw. i already told you several times: get rid of her, by any means necessary! :D ...you are thinking of is Sky Palace iirc. The
(which sucks, but at least served as good exercise to see how kell's void lighting technique works)...
out of interest, what is kell's void lighting technique? how does lighting a brush you've put partly inside a skybrush do anything to lighting values in the void? Maybe I've misunderstood, but I don't get why any of those steps was done (heh, apart from upscaling the textures on the black textured brushes)
Models in quake are lit by reading the lightmap value on the first solid ( non-entity ) surface directly below them.
Flying monsters can therefore be floating very far above the ground, yet are lit not by the light level in the air around them but by the light level on the ground far far below. While it isn't a problem for non-flying monsters, for flying monster this can create a visual discrepency, the most marked difference being in void/space maps. Usually, a mapper will want the lighting on the architecture to fade to black down the sides towards the void, disguising the black brush at the bottom. This bottom brush has very little or no light hitting it. Preferably, as in "He Falls Like Lucifer", an actual skybrush will be used for the bottom of the void, which is even worse since sky texture has no lightmap at all. In either case, monsters flying out over the void will be lit with a lightmap value of zero, making them appear as solid black silhouettes. This looks bad if the surrounding higher-up architecture where the monster actually is has light sources here and there, and is really noticeable when a flying monster will move from above a lit surface out over the void. For example: in "Lucifer" the scrags might appear appropriately lit while hovering over one of the wooden walkways, but then drift slightly so they're now above the void; a drift of perhaps a few units but enough to change them to black silhouettes. As well as looking crap, it makes them a bastard to shoot. Placing a blackbrush inside the skybrush means that: 1. there is a lightmap under flying monsters even when they're out over the void 2. the brightness on that lightmap can be controlled by the mapper without affecting any other surface in the map 3. that lightmap will not be visible; a black void will remain black 4. the sky texture will remain visible, and will swallow projectiles that are fired down into the void HTH but one thing I would love to see, be it turtle or speedmapping... Are maps with an emphasis on cooperative gameplay. Larger packs of monsters where you need two players, or puzzles that involve two players to complete feasibly.
I just think it would shake up the layouts and the processes one thinks through in designing a level. I'll be travelling all day today but, if Neg!ke will give me my usual grace period (*nudge *nudge *wink *wink), I'll have something by mid-week :)
what have i done to you (other great speedmappers of the past, feel addressed, too) to deserve this? :/
i already added deathmatch settings to my map to occupy myself, but still... or do you do these things on purpose to have me make two maps each week? But I got finals next week. Once summer hits, I should be free to participate in speedmapping, say after May 18th.
neg!ke guess people are to much ocupied in there own projects :| dont make two speedmaps a week make a break on speedmap and go make a single player we run speedmap again after 22 july :)
I have to meet certain targets each week, or there is no way I'll finish the Qexpo thingie, so sorry
Neg!ke. Obviously I don't need an excuse. Not that I would need one anyway, since I'm above all that nonsense ( excuses, grovelling, apologizing etc.)
But you know that. Does this mean you don't think I'm great? Whatever... I'm still the prettiest. qexpo projects are a valid reason that i fully support, of course.
drew, however, can't talk himself out of it that easily, because i don't regard being driven around in rickshas all day and chilling out with da ladyboys very productive. so i guess it's really time for a sequel of my infamous 'drew simpson deformography' series! muhahah >:D If given a topic/theme, I might be persuaded to dust off my old GtK. I don't have anything to do until Monday, other than study for final exams, which I mean I prolly won't do. So, I've got some time.
I'm in Australia now. And I'm totally over the LB's.
But go ahead with the deformographic series and the evil laughter - it sounds like it's right up your alley. Before you ask - I don't know what the hell that means. If I were you, I'd take it as a compliment. Although if I were you... I'd be preturnaturally attracted to Zwiffle.
still the timelimit theme (#1646).
neglecting school for mapping is way to go! :P drew: i don't understand, so i take it as a... RECURSIVE ERROR!! What are you guys thinking?
My ideas are: -western / desert -miniature ( like those DM maps in a big kitchen, etc.) and I still think my "classics tribute" idea would be a good one. Maybe for the anniversary celebrations. Actually, I think we should start brainstorming for Quakecon SM theme ideas now. you know what was a truly unmapped for SM theme?
That one where you had to go through the level twice. Only one map for it. I think that would be one to re-do. In fact, it would be a great idea to re-do a bunch of old themes. How do you feel about that? while there were some pretty nice themes in the past, re-doing them would probably be kind of lame. and if done, then at least with some modifications.
has the play-it-twice theme really never been done after it was suggested? so why not, might be nice. is an awesome idea, esp. as you can make the player start at a new location using the episodegate (or whatever) ent and start2. Coupled with having weapons from the first time around, it could be really interesting.
Maybe a good idea for turtlemaps to really get the best out of it though. necros' map was particularly outstanding. (at least now i don't have to do a 'real space map' anymore) :D
since it has been done already, should we go for another theme. or what do you think? I think the play thru twice should be re-done. Only mets did it, and his map was pretty bad-ass. I don't think it would be lame to re-do old themes, as long as people don't just re-hash and do the exact same thing as the last time.
Oh - while I'm here... Than, CZG, other mapping geniuses who I'm forgetting - are you going to to SM's for the qexpo? Like celebrity mapping or something? silly season again, plus all those cursed qexpo activities (including myself.. i mean, in addition to overcoming lethargy), so i suggest we just have an open theme for sm126 with no fixed deadline. do your backtothefuturehyphenstributeplaytwice maps and send them in at any time - i'll just release the pack when there are enough maps (aka. more than one)... mkay? let's at least pretend to care :D
I have a scrap from the SoE:Indian Summer maps that doesn;t fit in with the rest of the material. I'll fix it up and try to get it to you by Sunday evening for the themeless speedmap.
Next themeless speedmap should mean that you can't put two of the same theme textures side by side -- no base/base, runic/runic, etc. cheers by freaky lightning over the weekend. It's now restored so I'll e-mail that level to you within the hour. I'm going to do a multi-engine run first.
i received your map (though haven't played it yet). i'm still waiting for one or two further maps for the pack.
there is something i'd like to try out in a speedmap, but i shouldn't change priorities in the next 1-2 weeks. so we'll see... I'm sorry for Germans, and Portuges, even for Italian (we will see sunday evening..) I was not kinding at all... o_O... though...
What the fuck is actually going on with Speedmaps? Is anyone making them? Is the current drought just due to people being to busy with their bigger better quake prokects? Or is that just wishful thinking.
I love you Neg!ke. So does Jesus. I was trying to do a speedmap in those neat-o Doom3 textures - it's all yellowy and cavernish. Unfortunately, I've been TOTALLY sidetracked by my shitload of unplayed games and the fact I have a lot of free time. I'll try to finish it later tonight, while grooving to Paramore and Mars Volta. I've been on an awesome streak in recent games, so it's hard to quit. Oh, and when Prey is released, good luck getting anyone to do anything for a while. That game is fucking crack.
ok, i think there will be two sm sessions whose deadlines will be on the 21th and the 26th.
#1 theme: i thought about "ten years later" - how did maps look back then, how do they look now (or how would one's favorite map look after a ten years of increasing skill overhaul), something like that. it's pretty open, so it may possibly make it easier for new people to hop on. #2 theme: no idea, yet. problem is that i have quite a load of rl shit to eat during that time, but will try to participate nevertheless and i hope even some of the sm elders will do so, as well. ;) as for the turtlemap thing: how much interest is there? i can't do one obviously, but of course i could collect the submissions. what about a theme? should it have a booth of its own? comment! Yeah, there should definitely be a 10 day turtlemap session! I am so up for it! I'm so going to make an ep 3 metal map with ogres and vores and nasty evil stuff! PLEASE!
As for having its own booth, I don't think it is neccessary to keep turtle and speed maps separate, but if there were daily posts showing the progress of mappers working on TMs (a collection of pics in one post, not randomly scattered posts) then it would be pretty sweet. Having regular updates should help people stay focussed and motivated to get their little map in a kick ass map pack. If there were to be a theme for the TM, I would suggest classic Quake. Just do a take on an id style using the original textures or modifications of them. We could make a whole new episode if enough people wanted to join in. I'd guess making a decent id standard map would probably take about 10 days too. If we could get a wee bit head start on that (since I'm picking up Prey today, I'd like as much time as I can get.) As for themes, I dunno.
How about: "Tribute to Zwiffle" ? No? Well, I tried. But, based off of pure impulse, I'd like to do an Elder-world style map for some reason, but that may change. You might just NOT have a theme, and make it open category instead, but that could possibly be boring. I plan on participating, so hopefully I have the willpower to stay off of Prey for a couple hours a day to get some mapping in. As for the second SM theme, how about "Mini-Marcher" ? Than, stop posting while I'm trying to post my own post!
I was thinking of an "episode" type thing, but figgered that would take too much effort and coordination. But, if he's doing Metal, and I'm doing elder-world, that leaves two open for the first two maps. my only fear is that everbody doing a turtlemap will not participate in the sm events. :/
than's daily update idea is nice, but again depends on how many people would be in - surely wouldn't make much sense for only two maps (unless integrated into sm booth). "classic quake" theme is very appropriate regarding the situation (10y), open. i kind of wanted the sm themes to be related the anniversary thing. then again "mini-marcher" sounds cute, so it should definately be considered if there are no other suggestions. I'd say keep both the SM and TM open themes, but provide a short (2-3) list of optional themes to give ideas.
afaik, sm themes have always been optional. just that it's more fun if the majority follows them.
at any rate, i will mention that people are of course free not do follow them stricly. i will mention that people are of course free not do follow them stricly.
Yeah, that's good. I know they're optional, but you're probably going to get people participating who are not familiar with speed maps, and might get turned off about the idea of themes, not knowing that they're totally optional. After reading those last 15 posts I'm tempted very much to make an small speedmap. I'm on holidays between 17th and 30th of July. On the other hand my laptop crashed 3 days ago and I'm not used to map on my pc. Time will show.
I say we set an id classic quake theme (basically just set it to an ep 1,2,3 or 4 theme using id textures or modifications to fit you map) and start it this weekend so that everyone has a couple of weekends to get their maps done. I'm fairly sure I won't be able to get my large map finished (AND tested) before QExpo is over, so I would like to work on something new for a couple of weeks so I have two maps for release instead of just one.
an sm session is just an hour or two, so there should still be plenty of participants if the time is open for those not in GMT/EST/whatever. I am SO going to make an id metal (e1m6, ep3...) map. I'm fairly confident you can get your large map (if it's the one I know of ;) ) ready in a week?
For SP. I didn't spot a single misaligned tex. there are no misalignments I know of, but there were a few visual errors in that version (3 at least).
I still have to fix the fucking gameplay though :/ anyone else starting a turtle map? I hope to get mine started tonight if my existing map* doesn't take up all my time.
*and my job :( It lives in the ocean. It's rigid in the middle and flappy in the ends and slow-moving and lives long, can hold breath and dive. Lays eggs in the sand.
It's a map done in one week's time. But, as than, I have another big map that I would like to get out at QExpo.
I'm making an Elderworld turtlemap. Are we linking them together anyhow, or just releasing a pack of turtlemaps?
It's like a speedmap, but you get a week or so. I think the timelimit for QExpo is likely to be 10 days. This means that turtlemaps can be much more elaborate than speedmaps. More like a regular map I guess.
Will the turtlemap deadline be the same as the second speedmap?
I will try to enter all 3 events but I really haven't had time for anything fun as of late :( I am thinking that the second speedmap could be a "redux" of the first (sort of like the re-released "Apocalypse Now" movie). episode 1 in one speedmap. Maybe have three or four rooms or whatever you think you choose is something worth reminiscing / remembering / tributing / improvising from your memories of quake from 10 years beyond. :)
And still of course some gameplay & progression, and u don't need cthon. Everybody could play those. :) :p my turtle map that is in progress in full metal id base, speedmap will try make a ztndm3 texture stile with idbase textures...
tentative deadline for the turtlemap is the 27th, 12pm gmt. that would still give us some time to decide if it will be released just then or maybe turned into a mini-episode, hub or anything. not sure if that date/time is useful - we can change it if needed of course.
redux theme doesn't sound that good to me. doing the same again, only longer? i was forced to watch apocalypse redux several times and while it's a good movie, it was soo exhausting each time... ;) bambuz' idea might work, but i'd suggest expanding it to all episodes (e1 offers the greatest textural variety though)? i set up the speedmapping/turtlemapping booth today, you will be able to comment on it on monday btw. A loooooong time ago, way back when I was but a weeee speedmapper. Thanks to Scampie. I witnessed them argue first hand. Aye, it was Scampie who drove Xen away.
But yeah, he was good. i will make all events at least try real hard ;)
P.S--> this week my boss is in vacacion ;) got many time to map hehe I remember that day well, Zwiffle. I think I always will. I seem to remember Scampie was mad that Xen tried to make maps that people would enjoy playing? Obviously he deserved worse than banishment, but what can you do?
depends how much time I have - it isn't a big deal, so I will just try and make a playable map and worry about skill settings later.
theme: "episode 1 in one map" (thanks bambuz) - 26th
let's hope there are some more maps this time... ;) http://www.quakeexpo.com/booth.php?id=23 The arguement was over the fact that speedmapping was run by me solely for the enjoyment of the level designers involved. Xenon's point was that he didn't like mapping, he liked people playing his maps, which I felt was the wrong attitude for speedmaps. My point being, if you want people to enjoy your maps, take time and make a real map. If you want to have fun building wacky shit, make speedmaps.
I don't think I ever told him to 'leave', but he did after that anyway. I'm not opposed to your view.
For me it's also like a way to learn since people don't expect that much quality from a speedmap, but still play and give feedback. If I had released a proper map back then last summer or so, it would have had all kinds of stupid probs I know how to avoid now. It's also fun to play some wacky maps. But whatever. I'm not at home much until mid august. we all know that your point was !kb Xenon
and his point was "OMG drama! I quit /del the entire site" beating dead xen.. er horse, sry :) I think both of you guys were a bit over the top - though I think that's par for the course with Scampie. Not in a bad way, necessarily. I have to admit that I was surprised by xen's reaction though - not too happy with it either because I realy enjoyed the maps he'd been making right before he left... Sorry!
I know nobody will ever use these - probably not even me...
-Edge of the world - waterfalls falling into void, etc No turtlemap from me. No inspiration, seemingly no ability to make any sort of architecture as of late. Very discouraging.
...I recommend you download mexx9. Simple geometry/architecture done on a scale reminiscent of your liking. Very, very effective though, maybe this will inspire.
I hadn't played mexx9 in about 4 years or so, so when i have time this weekend it will be nice to experience it again, and hopefully i can start to build again.
i got three turtlemaps so far (headthump, trinca, zwiffle). if there are any others in the making (speeds? than?), please tell me quickly, so i'll get an idea about when the pack can be released apporimately.
sm126 theme: "mini-marcher" deadline is... somewhen I will release it in the future. I just didn't really have time or motivation to work on it over qexpo, and haven't really been mapping hard since either (despite my nick in irc almost always being than|mapping - than is often taken).
I dug out the DMSP mod for a bit of a blast earlier and I'd forgotten how fun it can be on the right sort of map. How about DMSP as a speed mapping theme?
For anybody who never tried DMSP: http://wouter.fov120.com/maps/dmsp/index.html Beautiful, breath taking, sexual thought-inducing idea, I think. Didn't you do one of those for a SM once Than?
Nope. Scampie did though... check the archives... or was it for Q3.
bear did an interesting animal love one once if I remember correctly. It is SM though, so perhaps you could do something along those lines... quite what, I don't know. Cthons dungeon of bondage? Uhm, I was referring to Text_Fish's SM nomination. I don't think anyone should try to top Bears Animal Love SM. Except Madfox, maybe.
It was for Q3, Q1 doesn't have 'Func_bobbing' ;)
http://scampie.leveldesign.org/screens/sm124_scampie.jpg I tried something similar with sm122 but attempted to hide the subject matter due to a guilty conscience and fear of potential blindness ;)
bah ok, generic already sent a map in. i'm going to do one as well today. so everybody else, go map, as the deadline now has to be next sunday (13th) evening gmt!
AHAHAHA!
All 90 degree angles. see sm23_jay. No 90 degree angles. aard made a dm like this once. Official speedmapping site: http://speedq1.spawnpoint.org/ ???
Has anyone made a doom 3 tex'd speedmap yet? I remember there were some problems with the textures being huge, right? were they scaled back down?
so "doom3 textures" then? zwiffle once said he started one..
anyone working on a map for sm126 - if so, tell me. otherwise i will release the pack in the evening. drew, when will you be back finally? (or did your repeated "prison break" theme suggestions have deeper meaning in this retrospective?) ;) haha... nah, I've kept one step ahead of the law so far... Still gonna be quite a while till I get back home. I'm thinking I might do up a small sub-standard "real" map when I do arrive. maybe.
Anyone home?
Anyways - theme suggestion... UNlinnear - really wide open, many different paths, or perhaps whole sections that need not be seen? Obviously not very SM friendly in all regards, but if one focused on content over quality it could be nice and doomy. not saying doomy lacked quality. sorry. forgive me. bacl from holidays!
guess is everybody in vacacion!!! i might have time for a speedmap!!! so whats the theme??? It's ok if the outside walls are just at the limit so the player can "almost" reach the limit?
I made a 1024x1024x1024 brush and the outer walls are outside that space. Is that ok? you can use the brush work out of the 1024-xyz zone for decorations and the like, so long as the player is confined
within the inner area. It's only a theme. We're not going to draw and quarter you and spread your parts all across Britain if the player can get outside the 1024 boundary. :)
i hate the theme and neg|ke :+) i will pass this one! and keep working in my base map :\ still have to loose many hours...
This theme rocks and I am making a nice map (compared to my previous attempts of speedmapping). It's using much more time though (3 hours so far) :D
nobody will be beheaded if the play area exceeds 1024, but think of it as a challenge to try not to. not sure if it isn't too easy because of the height, since multiple stories were out of question for doom, which made it somewhat tricky...
trinca: ok. add slopes. SLOPES! Shane Likes Ovulating Penises--Even Shambler's! = SLOPES.
slope n. 1. An inclined line, surface, plane, position, or direction. 2. A stretch of ground forming a natural or artificial incline: ski slopes. 3. a. A deviation from the horizontal. b. The amount or degree of such deviation. Did someone say "Ovulating Penis" ?
http://istforeverything.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/dckgrl010.jpg nws *off topic*
Just wanted to say thanks to neg!ke for that conceptart.org/forum link. I'm really hooked on that site now. I think I'll start drawing again.. \o/ and I want demos of your first runs please. Would be very interesting what routes the players choose for me!
building on strange animal anyone? even if the animal is a jellyfish and the building a crate...
officially, it's still the theme from #1769. there could be some crazy maps if people are imaginative (more than i was) http://negative.net.tc/images/sm128.jpg :D
so why not have "dark sky at noon" for sm129? unless of course you are all eager to map for it now... u,neg|ke, Spirit, Biff, Ankh, Inertia, Vondur, Kell, Daz, Card0, Vodoo, Generic e.t.c
Sorry, I haven't been on line much lately to chat. I've been recovering from the bite of a tenacious little brown recluse acquired on a recent hiking trip in Georgia (I should have took pics of my leg, it turned a wicked shade of necrotic black). My energy has been sapped for doing much. I had some explanations from Trinca, via email, and it seems that Scampie (again ?.. but not the only one) is the source of Trinca's disappointement... I don't know what happened exactely between these 2 guys, but it is not the first time I hear that Scampie is flaming somebody with no particular reasons... just because he is not in a good mod.
I know that the internet is not a place of Heaven, but please guys, would it be possible to be fair this time ? Voodoo already experiment stupid comments on his mother some months ago (maybe more than a year now), and he was about to leave definitively (BTW, we don't see him much more...) I react because everybody is complaining the Quake community have less and less active members. And when a new guy comes, he is flamed because he is not as good as pro mappers... or because he doesn't speak a perfect english... WTF !! Come on, be serious !! Don't you remember how bad you were when you started mapping.. So please be indulgent, and particularly with interested people that have a self-commitement to Quake mapping as Trinca has.. I don't think he deserve this attitude, and I don't think it is the right attitude to let our community growing... I know it is not a popularity contest, but rather than writing: "your map sucks", it is very negative, I'd rather prefer to write: "well, it's not perfect and you have to improve this and that..." it is much more constructive, and really helps people to improve themself... If some people want elitism, so they should go to game industry, and let other guys, that take mapping as a hobby, to have fun with their "crappy" maps.... In anyway, I seriously hope that trinca will not leave the forum, because as of today, I think he was the most prolific mappers I saw (with all other speedmappers) from a long time... I think everybody should think about it. To be honest I don't see flaming or elitism very much in the creative side of the Quake community [possibly because I'm not involved enough, who knows] but whenever I have witnessed it I've noticed it coming from jaded veterans who seem to have lost the passion they once had for mapping and now just sit around jealously slagging people off for the most ridiculous things.
The main thing to remember if you're on the recieving end of such vitriol is that those people don't matter any more. The only reason they're so aggressive is because they have nothing to offer the community any more -- or at least they feel they don't. It doesn't matter how well respected somebody once was -- their opinion will only matter for as long as they take a positive and active part in the community. Because lets face it, no community needs negativity. Trinca, I really think you should stick around because you produce fun maps and you're a nice bloke as well. I'm sure the same can't be said for a lot of the more negative members of the community, so if anything, they're the ones that should leave. Headthrump is another Quaker that dont go to #terrafusion in Quakenet becouse of same kid... but nobody makes anything he ruless... 2 days ago ban inertia and voodo just becouse it feel like...
fucking creap never was a good mapper all the stuff he made for Quake was CRAP and think he is something... yes is a STUPID KID! ohhhh sorry John Fitzgibbons u are also a great guy :) sorry I totally agree with JPL's and Text_Fish' posts. But Trinca, don't flame here. I know Scampie and you kinda hate each other but don't make a "chick fight"(?). Strife does not work well in messageboards, especially when it comes from a chat. Argueing here will only leads to confusion and bad vibes. Discuss, don't fight.
I saw Scampie say something in #tf maybe 3 times while I was there (and I was quite regularly). I think that the #tf community should not accept someone being non-part anymore and then acting like this in such a high position (owner flag in the channel, no?). Headthrump is another Quaker that dont go to #terrafusion in Quakenet becouse of same kid...
I've had a few run ins with Scampie here, but nothing I didn't shrug off in a few hours because I don't hold grudges. I'll just leave it at this, Scampie is a complicated individual. One of the reasons I don't go to #terrafusion is because I can be kicked off. I just wont put myself in any type of vulnerable position. Another reason is I spent a great deal of time in Mirc back in the nineties and it was effecting the productive side of my lifestyle, so I quit it cold turkey a long time ago. Having said that though, after a seven year gap, I have started going to the QuakeC channel on occassion because I've noticed some interesting individuals associated with Inside3d have been coming here in recent months. I think a better solution (at least for me) is to hang out on Func instead and make maps and try to kindle the community here. I became a lot more productive after I stopped going to TF; though that productivity has usually been channeled into non-mapping fronts. I keep up with most of the people that I want to through IM, e-mail, and whatnot.
also: trinca, don't be a caldera, please. besides, what would you do at work then? ;)
as for speedmaps, so far i have a 1024 one by generic and my building on an animal. looking forward to more... sometimes also scampie is one of them with all his instant kicking of people but it's kinda gotten old, although I haven't been there for long and not much lately either.
I don't know if there are many here who have not been kickbanned by him or anyone else. But for the most part people just don't care, it'd be such a chore to move someplace else and mostly the discussions are less than two comments per person and then break into incoherence. I think we are dealing with "artistic" types here and terrafusion is often the only channel in my list where something remotely stimulating happens, others are just plain boring. Maybe it wouldn't be the same if there wasn't that occasional shit, it's really the only of my channels that has any problems either. It's also rare that such a diverse channel gives ops to practically all people. That and the nature of people tends to add to the unstability. I don't really know if scampie can be seen as a stabilizing or destabilizing force as a whole. Mostly it's just absurd, although it kinda disturbs. SM theme should be dark at noon, or "defy expectations" where the mapper does something very unpredictable with the map.
Unpredictable as in "sm129_neg!ke spawns cute bunnies and pink sunflowers after the boss was killed"? :D
so here we go: sm129 theme - "traps"
all kinds of hazadous environments, spikes, shooters, crushers, and don't forget the WETY TRAPS!!! deadline (pun anyone?) is sunday 29 oct. monday if your name is generic ;) friday i was in a pissy mood and felt like making a map of nothing but nigh inescapable and deadly traps and titling it simply Women.
i really think this is the type of speedmapping session anyone could get into generic - clearly its some sort of timezone joke, neg!ke would never imply anything of a sort of anything to anyone! now that the original maps are available, i'd like to propose revisiting familiar places as a theme for an upcoming sm event. incorporate a rather small section of an original map into your own. how about that?
and btw: who trapped sm129pack? i haven't been able to map, either. and i won't be until next week. :(
revisiting familiar places - dunno, we could give it a try, i guess... btw. what about some chainmapping again in the near future? i received a map by efdat, but where is YOURS??
people, if you have have any self-respect left, send yours in by next sunday! in the spirit of a sm-oldschool-sucking-map-with-an-amount-of-monsters-where-you-have-to-cheat. Ha!
Deadline next Sunday? to me the gnu licence reads like it's possible to use parts of original maps as long as the due credit is given. so if the sm130pack contains a notice like 'based on the works of
nfscd (what could that mean? :)): go map! please. the source code must be included and itself be GPL'ed again. also you should include a text file with the license. no biggie. it's mostly called gnu.txt.
otherwise you can do with it what you want. "revisiting familiar places"
take a certain area of any original map (NOT THE ENTIRE MAP!) from the released sources and build your map around it. be sure to include your I totally forgot about mapping on Sunday. I'll to get a map done for sm130.
howdy folks. i've been gone for a 3/4 of a year now. i wish i'd started speed mapping earlier in life, but what i got to do was real fun and i learned a lot. i can't map or play (or even check email hardly) in my current situation, but good job for you men that keep the quake alive! maybe at christmas time i will be able to squeeze out a speedmap. until then, quake on bros.
with a crappy speed map of my own,
but this Holiday end of week I'm going to try to pull something together for the Base pack and hope to have something decent enough to tweak throughout December. the first speedmopping (speedmodding meets speedmapping) event takes places in the first week of december, starting at 12pm EST.
teams will be random; the theme is announced once the event starts. if you like to participate (you better do!), give word here or in this thread: http://forums.inside3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=558 Personally I'll be busy with my Base map for some time, but wouldn't it be more sensible to do it a little later in December [or early in January] when people are more likely to have some time off work/education for the holiday season?
I'm not a member of inside3D, so just figured I'd post that here incase one of the event organisers sees it and thinks it makes sense. :) Yeah the first week is NOT going to work for me. That's like crunch time for school for me. After the week of the 17th I'll be done with school and I'll have plenty of time (ie, exams + paper next week, 2 programs due after that, homework, + finals.)If there is anyway to push it back later, I'd totally love to do a Lolo mod with Asaki.
ATTENTION!!!
There's been a slight change of plan. The event will be held on DECEMBER 10th thru the 16th, to help get past the college finals and before the Winter holidays. Thank you everyone. Please, come into #speedqc on irc.anynet.org any time from the beginning of December to get some teams created and to get to know your team mates if you don't already. The new theme? I have a couple hours between procrastinating studying and my last programming assignment to try and do some speedmapping.
"elder world train station" - courtesy of Zwiffle
i'd like to have some chainmapping too, but i haven't thought about a theme/date yet. maybe early january or something... generic was so kind as to compile an episode4 wad for you lazy gits. http://rapidshare.com/files/8038905/Episode4.rar.html
zwiffle, you better have a map ready next sunday! originaly, I was going to wait til finishing the base map, but elder world train station is too good a theme to pass up.
hard this weekend, so EWT is not in the cards. Trinca do you still map at work? Lucky bahstid ;)
Well, I actually did think of that after I clicked submit, but I decided against any sort of amendment due to my already inescapable reputation for genital fixations.
but you do realize that all those theme suggestions weren't really serious, don't you? O_o
anyway, if you people (for whatever reason) insist on 'homophobia', let's do it. even though i don't know if it allows for any worthwhile results... -Worship Zwiffle
-Inverted Cathedral/Castle -Praise Zwiffle -Dreamscape -Zwiffle Is Awesome -New Color Combinations (Like pick 2 strong or opposing colors as a theme and use them heavily thoughout the map, like maybe green/red or orange/blue, etc etc.) -Zwiffle Gone Wild the others are interesting too. take care of the whole thing again please? POKING THE FAT PRICKS INTO THE BUS TOILET
inverted castle anyone? so what's the (goddamn) theme now? zwifflephobia? inverted zwiffle? or maybe (for obvious reasons) storm damage?
sm132: inverted castle/cathedral (inverted zwiffle)
sm133: dreamscape (zwifflescape) both can be combined with the homophobic use of drugs (or zwiffle). how does that sound? "To Zwiffle", v., from the Latin "Zwof"
1.) To awesomize or to make much more intense; to increase one's awesomeness ten-fold effortlessly. 2.) To grab one's legs and pull them back while receiving oral gratification so that the person giving oral gratification looks like a shrimp giving a blow job (ahem.) 3.) To be immortal. wouldn't dreamscape be an even cooler theme for a chainmapping event? we only needed to compile some wicked texture selection. could take place in mid-february or something...
RPG has the assorted American McGee's Alice wads he extracted from the game. I have some of them, possibly all of them, perhaps those would be good textures for such a chainmapping event. There are some incredibly cool textures in that game (and some incredibly lame ones as well.) :(
RPG has the assorted American McGee's Alice wads he extracted from the game. I have some of them, possibly all of them, perhaps those would be good textures for such a chainmapping event. There are some incredibly cool textures in that game (and some incredibly lame ones as well.) :(
RPG has the assorted American McGee's Alice wads he extracted from the game. I have some of them, possibly all of them, perhaps those would be good textures for such a chainmapping event. There are some incredibly cool textures in that game (and some incredibly lame ones as well.) :(
can you upload the wads somewhere, e.g. to shubhub? it's worth a look for sure.
Omus: got it, thanks. Mail it to me then I will put it into http://www.quaddicted.com/wads
what about finishing sm100(I think)? I remember there was a Knave themed speedchainmapping session quite a long time ago. Is there any progress with it?
i tried to give it a shot some time ago but the pieces just suck too much (are too incompatible) to be put together in a proper way, in my view.
there was a base chainmap (sm32 probably) where the author said in the readme file that most of brushwork (about 80%) was made by himself, while the rest (about 20%) were those real speedchainmap pieces. And that map was very good. Does anyone want to do something like that?
i want to participate!!! speedmaps are ugly :) prefer make a proper peace!!! i dont map good and fast, only slow and normal...
The converted Alice texs I did are really crap because I was in a hurry. Some are ok. I meant it more to be like "see what looks like a good texture combo in the editor and then properly convert textures individually as needed."
I just need Zwiffle to actually get some work done on his end now. I had a crack at it but the only way I could see it finished would be modifying contributors' brushwork (including my own). I didn't think the others would be keen on seeing "this section based loosely on brushwork created by such-and-such or so-and-so."
But, then again, I could have been wrong ;) I think that's what Than did with SM_32. I honestly wouldn't have cared as long as the end product was fun... Not that I contributed.
Yeah, I modified people's stuff a bit. I had to rebuild Gibbies because it was on a floating point grid and as such came off the grid and messed up when it went into WC. RPG's section also had some minor alterations and Nightbringer's was tweaked quite a lot.
That said, none of the other author's areas were changed drastically from what I received aside from being mirrored or flipped to make a better layout - they were all visually faithful to what I started with - just with bugs fixed and things tidied up. I also added a few crappy rooms in between some of the areas to connect them. We need another speedchainmap. ...I've had some recent success with other people's bits, why don't one of you send me the sm100 sources.
Hmm. I agree. Want to meet up and do some chain mapping when I'm in San Francisco on April 12th through the 14th?
I have some modified versions as well that I can send you later in the week. I am out of town until Thursday :|
so is there any chance to get some decent alice.wad ready? if not, what other texture themes could be used (in fact, my first idea were non-detail textures, more or less in the sense of the "new zwiffle combinations" suggestion)?
another possible theme for a sm or cm: engine room/machinery. not sure if it hasn't been done already though. No. More like I'm supposed to give a presentation at NCUR at Dominican University. Something about pi and convergence of various series.
It would be cool to have a meet up if things work out. Aren't there other func/tf people in the San Francisco area? Does killjoy still live in the around there? As for other textures, I'm always partial to Knave! Although SM100's chainmap didn't work out too well, possibly the textures contributed to it. Also, can we make the chainmap Quoth-required? It's too good a mod to pass up. Also also, perhaps another reason SM100 was unsuccessful was because of a lack of rules; Scampie used to set some rules for his chainmaps (if I remember correctly) like each area needs at least 2 exits, and each exit needs to be <exact number of units> wide, this way to ensure some sort of compatibility between pieces and whatnot. Just some ideas.
Killjoy is in SF I think, but I lost touch with him a few years ago. I don't know of any other #tf people that live here. (I think ydnar lives here but he's not #tf and I don't know him personally)
I don't know what my schedule is going to be yet, but if you want to get a beer or something (or do some chainmapping ^_~) I can let you know when the date gets closer. I think the conference is only active from 9am-5pm, so that leaves plenty of time to get into trouble.
I think some rules are essential, as long as they aren't too specific.
Having 2 entrances/exits is a good requirement -- even specifying the size -- for middle sections. This leaves the map assembler some options for start and end sections. For sm100, there could have been an additional requirement of using the knave prefabs for entrances/exits that might have helped. The only problem I had with the sm100 wad was that there weren't any rock textures ;) The only problem I had with the sm100 wad was that there weren't any rock textures ;)
The most important problem I had with sm100 wad was that there weren't enough textures for me (as I usualy use tons of texes in my maps). The ones that were selected for that wad weren't satisfying for me, knave has lots of great textures but most of them didn't appear in sm100.wad "machinery"
futuristic, medieval, alien, anything i also had the odd idea of some "weirded out"-like theme for sm134: supplying a wad with an odd mix of non-together-fitting ;) textures to get some really strange looking maps. or some super fugly ones... And the textures are...
comp1_5 comp1_7 rock3_2 sfloor3_2 sfloor4_4 stone1_5 unwall1_8 uwall1_3 uwall1_4 wall5_4 wall11_6 wall16_7 plus any others you rarely see in Quake :) could you mail me or send me a link to alice mcgee's textures? i'm making an open source game and would like to have these. ty.
and his battle with a severe bout of projectile leprosy.
Ah yeah...that's the ticket. Theme ideas:
Sunset King Arthur's round table Grave Mound (the inside) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalith They were normally covered with earth of course. Ogre Sacrifice (the player gets sacrificed? or the ogres) Grimm's fairytales (could be VERY scary) http://www.familymanagement.com/literacy/grimms/grimms-toc.html Quake University (teach complete newbies Quake) Malice has something like this, there are test areas with terminals which tell you how to use the hoverboard etc (using console messages IIRC) could be pretty funny. There's no limit to what you explain. For example you could have a giant penis and explain that to the newbie. You could also just explain weapon usage. The Fraggles (anyone remember the series? it took place in an underground tunnel system which was accessed from a house, and had some whacky characters. I loved it.) FPS parody (ridicule shooter games like Counter Strike, Far Cry) Microsoft Tech Support (monsters need Windows tech support, eventually you run amok) Fast Food restaurant (you work at the counter, your customers are monsters) Bank raid gone wrong (either you are the robber, or a gang of monsters (they escape, you must hunt them) Pulp Fiction (the map must start with the message "Everybody be cool this is a robbery..." and contain random violence and bloody accidents) Spaceship service technician (cleans the spaceship of parasites while smoking weed, Fifth Element) Smoke-Free Inc. (Quit smoking in 5 minutes - GUARANTEED) (Steven King) Michael Jackson concert, backstage
Monster Strike (monsters are sick of fighting, with strike posts etc.) Construction Site (monsters are trying to build a dungeon) Shopping mall invasion Monster Rights Act (you must finish without killing) Magic Bus (ride with hippie monsters to Woodstock) Babysitter (you must watch over Mrs. Vore's kids (vorelings) while she's out on a date) Hijackers (monsters hijacking a plane) Target practice (you are the target in a monster training facility) Going fishing Walking the dog (you meet other dogs, and their owners) Revenge (destroy someone's car, smash his windows etc, then face his gang and himself) Public bath Public library Public toilet (you work there, the customers are monsters) Torture chambers Drive-in cinema (teenage monsters meet etc.) Spaceman Spiff (he calls monsters zogwargs, has bizarre names for weapons, imaginary gadgets, visits bizarre planets etc, then wakes up in school) (Calvin and Hobbes) Tsunkatse (you are captured and forced to fight against monsters in an arena, the fights are broadcast to the amusement of millions. You must break free and destroy the broadcast system) (Star Trek) Coop Race (two players race through the same course (mirrored) to arrive at a common destination; the destination has a button that makes the floor disappear to dump the loser in lava) (could use some id map as base here) Film Studio (you are an actor in some movie; you must play the same scene over and over (jump around and kill some monsters); eventually, everybody rebels and carnage ensues.) Coraline (you must find a key to enter a mirror world where you confront an evil version of your family and neighbors, and must find the other key to get back) (Neil Gaiman) (could be extremely scary) Advent Calendar (you find and open 24 packages) Shooting Gallery (hit all targets to get the teddy bear for your little daughter) Call Center (you get all sorts of calls, until you go insane) Some of these are probably better for turtlemaps though. ijed/Trinca's recommendation sounds like it would yield fun maps to play. It gives me several ideas immediately, but that doesnt meant productivity is necessarily involved there...
I was half-joking, because I've already posted the e4m4 remake I made, but if anyone else want's to make a turtlemap we could package them into a bundle.
Who knows, if enough people feel like it we could do a e4 remake. I know that's probably a pipe dream but remember that these are only turtlemaps with a week of work max. Therefore time for a completely unthemed speedmap. Four hours methinks, from 17 30 - 22 30 (Eastern U.S. time).
If anyone else plans on doing so, post and i'll drop onto the IRC channel. I've got one finished and one that was interrupted midway that I'll finish when my life is boring enough. No internet for me right now and can't be bothered to upload at the net cafe just yet.
PS happy saint paddy's day. However, i decided that my level needed curves, and spent a lot of time doing texture alignment. I've got some decent looking stuff done, but it is more suited towards a full (albeit small) map. So no speedmap, sadly, but eventually a full level.
revisiting the id1 levels and adding things to them. for example one level could be infested(?) with some devilish organics, another could have had a slipgate exploded and so on.
"With only a boomstick"; derived from the Q2 map "with only a blaster" (only2.zip), the goal would be not to kill all monsters but to somehow dodge various traps/ ambushes and get through alive.
A variation af this could use the Airfist mod, I was thinking about cramped/tight rooms, again the goal would be to get to the exit and not to get 100%. Another: making maps with fun Boss battles, like that one map by Harbinger which has a Chthon throwing fish instead of lavaballs. I'd like neg!ke's theme suggestion from way above:
machinery Who is with me this weekend (deadline monday evening)? I had a nice start (~1 hour) and will probably spend 2 more hours on it (one tomorrow, one monday).
my sm132 is ready. it actually could also be a full release. betatesting on monday with neg!ke (& spirit?).
what about making a map where every brush must have the same texture on every surface? One brush=one texture. Kinda new conceptual type of mapping along with geocomp, 100brush, monsterfree etc.
restriction: only make objects with dimensions of a power of 2, and only textures displayed on the surfaces of those objects
Metlslime mentioned this earlier, and perhaps it has been a theme earlier on but how about doing a speed sp conversion of a quake dm level you have made. If you haven't made any then maybe just use id source or use the source of another mappers level.
That way you get the whole time to concentrate on making fun gameplay and the visuals are already taken care of. I know much of the fun of mapping comes from building geometry, but this might be a fun change. Also, how about rerouting an id sp map to have different gameplay? Maybe that's more of a turtlemap project to do nicely. I mention this because I am currently making a quick conversion to Quake of an old q2dm map I made and will be adding sp gameplay to it when it's built because I know nobody will bother to play it otherwise. I've also still got plans to work on sp conversions of all the id dm maps at some time, but I have a lot of other maps that need building first :) I feel like mapping stupid. So how about the following theme:
Use cheats you fuckers I give a fuck about balancing this thing. Silly fugly textures and more than 100 monsters. Not to forget gameplay that feels like cleaning your toilet after diarrhae. I mean very stupid and fun maps that entertain you in a wonderful goofy and meaningless way. "fuck you this is no theme and it's silly" I had some certain speedmap in my mind, by necros I think, it was quite like sm26_necros but with swimming and way more weird. sm48_crap (the map with the hotdog) should be good inspiration too. Here are some inspirational shots: http://pauk.fov120.com/speedmaps/images/pak26_9.jpg http://pauk.fov120.com/speedmaps/images/pak21_2.jpg http://pauk.fov120.com/speedmaps/images/pak20_5.jpg http://pauk.fov120.com/speedmaps/images/pak19_5.jpg http://pauk.fov120.com/speedmaps/images/pak17_2.jpg Deadline would be sunday night so I could compile the pack monday morning (CET). neg!ke and Trinca sent me maps, I made one too.
Is anyone planning making a map until next Sunday/Monday? If not I would release the pack tomorrow. Yet again I won't participate, but:
Why not make maps where enemies are purposefully stupid; infighting, attacking walls etc. The challenge is to make it fun to play. Whilst exploiting the 'AI' of Quake to make the enemies act dumb. er. ? 1) Teleport 20 shamblers into a space around the player.
2) The player has a heart attack when this happens (good). 3) Immediately cause the shamblers to start infighting. 4) Wait 20 seconds. 5) The ceiling instantly smashes the player, doing 99999 damage. 6) ???? 7) LOL!! And Marksmen don't play thier alert sound on seeing the player either.
Also, I remember in CZG's Terra Thing where ten shamblers spawn in, get off one lightning bolt and then gib =D grunts are the only monsters that infight with themselves. the code goes something like:
if ( (self.classname != attacker.classname) || (self.classname == "monster_army" ) ) I am not interested for the simple reason that stuff like that is hard for me to do when speedmapping. I mean, I actually try to map in a very short time window (like 60-120 minutes) and there is no time for monster tricks/perfection etc. I rather spent my time on getting better with the brushwork.
Crappy AI is already a feature and not a speedmapping theme ;)
How about no monsters? That should free everyone up for brushwork... Might be a cool idea for making a 'The Cube' map out of loads of func_trains.
Mind you, I can also see that being the epitomy of tedium to play. And imagine including respawning monsters in that as well. Mind you, I can also see that being the epitomy of tedium to play.
I agree, unless it was fairly short. Or, a better idea: make the interior of each room different and distinct. The main thing about the Cube film was the traps though, and I'm not sure how easy that'd be to implement, as well as figuring the route out and the change intervals of the rooms themselves.
Or it could be made along the lines of The Cube 2 - makes no sense, just plain stupid and badly planned. Maybe. And imagine including respawning monsters in that as well.
The first (and second) times I read that, I saw: And imagine including respawning monsters in the walls! I have to admit it took me 2 evenings so it isn't a true speedmap.
What do I do with it now? It is just a small castle :P http://quake_1.republika.pl/df2.jpg oh, wait. That isn't a typo, you really mean big ugly but fun, and not big, ugly butt fun. oh, well, some other time.
a Small Castle deathmatch map and a one solid brush so qbsp can compile it map. Each was done as its own session.
Post a download link!
I had a look on your site and it doesn't appear to be there. lurker - post links as well :) I might have time, actually. It will probably suck since I haven't mapped in a long time though.
Thanks to Zwiffle and MoALTz, the next most awesome theme suggestion is Beach/Zombie Massacre/Seagulls.
(Find ways to kill zombies without rockets; makeshift seagulls in quake: quad hack Scrags) if anybody is putting a pack together :)
Theme: Small castle (w/ half-sized textures) and a certain ex-Atlanta quarterback. Bonus: An all-black trapdoor plus a usual way to kill zombies without rockets. Who wants it? I guess it is possible with walls, moving very fast and inflict huge damage... I can't see other possibilities... and maybe I'm wrong as I didn't test it...
BTW, Trinca, I correct the latest clip error on THF, I'll send you the stuff via email for way-points generation this evening... thanks a lot in advance Nothing really came to me.
I can provide it if someone is desperate to release a pack of sand/seagulls/zombies. Otherwise, I recommend picking a different theme. I would have made a map too, but I'm having technical problems preventing me from mapping for Q1 atm
But here are some suggestions for the next pack's theme courtesy of #tf:
- necropolis on the moon - czg - :( - tomb raider memorial - sci-fi mormon temple - make a map, rotate it some random number on x and y axis and have fun compiling it http://shub-hub.com/files/maps_singleplayer/neph6.7z
It's a scrap, and I uploaded a (leaking) bsp as well: http://shub-hub.com/files/maps_singleplayer/neph6_01.7z There's a 'breakable' wall and floor that aren't easy to spot but necessary for progression. Dunno, maybe it can give you some ideas. I'd like to make some tests with that technique. Starting fullbright and adding shadows with negative lights (that's the thing, isn't it?)
"antilight"
It's not really for a speedmap session but maybe for a small "we tested antilight" pack? Jeez, why does everything have to be a pack or a collaborative effort these days? What happened to making some stuff by yourself.
It's the socialising web2.0! Be friends with everyone and brag about your individualism! Func needs tags and I want to be able to vote for posts!
I was merely suggesting a theme. he's referring to the endless confusion between american and european style of writing numbers.
Americans write 1,000 but Europeans write 1.000 to indicate one thousand. And then they do the opposite for decimal places -- Americans write 1.5 but Europeans write 1,5 to indicate one-and-a-half. trust the French on these matters, they knew what they were doing. Like the SI.
10 000 = ten thousand 10,000 = ten, to the precision of one thousandth. Dots are for dates or ordering numbers then. Damn near killed 'em.
Anyway Kell, I thought you guys didn't consider yourselves part of Europe. I refuse to distinguish between residents of "The UK" which I also call "Britain" and "England" with no understanding of the differences :)
The Scottish are led by Mad Max, they rise up against a tyrannical English rule of a syphilis ridden king and his shit hunter son. Mad Max puts a bun in the oven of the new queen then gets disemboweled.
Further info: The Irish are led by a schizophrenic alcoholic who can dimension door across the sea to bring in an army of Erin whenever he likes. There weren't any Welsh that I remember, bestiality being frowned upon in mainstream motion, uh, history. You'll be OK on that as long as you don't mix up the Scots with the English. I don't think the Welsh would like it.
If someone could convert the TF2 textures over, I would suggest "TF2 Barn/Farm/Granary Bonanza".
Or just "The cake is a lie." I will have a speedmap ready this evening. Again I needed 2 days to make it. Well, I'm just slow but the map is also pretty nice I think.
Theme: a map with rocket launcher :P doh I hadn't know about new map theme... i'll wait for precisely posted theme + determinated deadline...
I saw the stuff on 'Wicked Base', and im undecided as to how good it is to use, but supposing I had made a map, how would I increase the health of monsters within it?
Has got to be the most informative document I have read on the subject of mapping and Quake entities since the WorldCraft Tutorial!!!
Thnx You can add fx as well - so you could give a dog a glow, bonus damage and health, and even a skin inside a
ok start one today!!! anyone more? for this weekend? i will mine ready friday for sure... before that for sure...
Never made one. I would participate on this occasion, but good old vis is crawling along now at 98.00%, and I'm not starting anything else until its finished.
In a year or so. I have one that I didn't finish - Quoth (duh). I'll do a second session and add an end area... shit, maybe I'll even have time to light it.
Neg!ke are you making anything? Fuck that. I'm too busy tomorrow - I just lit it and tacked on an ending. will compile it tonight and send it in the morning to Neg!ke again.
People, let's get real! Inspired by JPL's shots we should introduce modern warfare to Quake and map tanks. This could be interesting. What would they look like in the Quake universe? Would there be Ogre tanks? Or even Tarbaby tanks? Let's give it a try until the 28th.
i think this week i will keep working on my maps... last time i pic up on my base map was lst month... i must add some brushes!!!
You guys remember me? Its been almost 2 years sinced i've mapped or even played quake, but i'm back and look forward to try speedmapping again (and asking lots of questions).
Looks like Trinca has gotten a lot better! We had the idea to use our nicknames for layout in IRC yesterday.
And we (well, neg!ke, hopefully speedy and I) want to make it a real speedmapping session with a short timelimit and together in IRC. I think. At least that was an idea too. i don't really know if this hasn't been done before but i'd like to do a "song title" session somewhen. you'd simply choose a song's title and do map that fits it. interesting titles might be: "whoops i did it again" or "somewhat damaged" or "mass in c minor" =)
Someone else chooses the song title for you, ie. someone here. Mind you would depend on how evil the person that chooses the title is.
An Aliens themed speedmapping session.
I dont know if you guys have played the Aliens TC (someone mentioned it the other day) but I (and I dont want to cause any offence, I thought the progs and new models were OK) thought the maps were Shit!! Real dissapointment in the map department. With the easy to use Fury wad, and some of the other basey tex I bet it would be possible to make some good aliens themed speedmaps. Monsters : Feinds Vores/Vorelings Spawn (maybe) Gaunts Droles Gugs + Soldiers/Defenders/Enforcers - even Bo8's that would make it funny & challenging. i like the idea. so we would first need a list of participants and then we'd randomly choose who gives whom a song title.
I'm in. I'll keep an eye on the thread here, I reckon we need even numbers to make it work.
I would work with even or odd numbers... just do it circular ;)
Example: Mapper1 gives a song to Mapper2 Mapper2 gives a song to Mapper3 Mapper3 gives a song to Mapper4 . . . Mapper(n-1) gives a song to Mapper(n) Mapper(n) gives a song to Mapper(0) You need at least 2 mappers for this SM session... :D Mapper(n) gives a song to Mapper(0)
I meant: Mapper(n) gives a song to Mapper1 In order to close the loop :P Odd numbers are the bastard children of satan.
It has come to my attention that the birthright of some of my children is under some dispute. Odd numbers are indeed my legitimate heirs, as I and Mrs. Satan (the former Miss Null Set) have been living in wedded bliss for many, many years. To dear number 17, I leave my pitchfork. Cheers, You Know Who Odd numbers are the bastard children of satan.
It has come to my attention that the birthright of some of my children is under some dispute. Odd numbers are indeed my legitimate heirs, as I and Mrs. Satan (the former Miss Null Set) have been living in wedded bliss for many, many years. To dear number 17, I leave my pitchfork. Cheers, You Know Who as I was passing along Ol'Scratch's message, my browser froze for a minute. It must have registered a double click instead of the single one I hit on submit.
as you might imagine, but as for my free time is very very restricted at the moment, i'd prefer to do the session in january. everything will be better then (although it's a satanic month) =)
And I'd suggest 'Horny' by Dj somone or other, just because its an ambigious title.
don't do satan's pen pal =) that was just the list of participants. i don't have the time to map at the moment. i just wanted to start that list. hopefully more people will join in on the theme...?
list without jokes: 1: ijed 2: efdat 3: your name here Already started.
Early morning for me when I read the post. Ah well, it's rolling so I'm going to carry on. A load of book references basicly. As to my 'real' song title for another to build off: "Perhaps Vampires is A bit Strong" (Arctic Monkeys). Bah, maybe the theme name should be 'mapper descriptions that ijed mistook for song titles'. Just throw me a song title and I'l mangle it in there somehow.
Something like "The Day I Returned my Library Book to Hell" would be helpful ;) Will finish today. ... for the inconvenience =) let's just say you finish "satan's pen pal" and i'll do a very quick "include your nick" and we'll pack these two as sm140: "the misunderstanding", ok?
I thought Aliens was a good idea!!!
Anyone got an Song Title's - What kind of theme was that?!?!?! Trinca Mapping at work, now theres a (risky) idea!! Read the docs for aliens - AFAIK it's pretty simple, something like place an Ogre and it becomes alien type X.
You can also modify a fgd very easily - just open it in a decent text editor (only use wordpad if you're very patient) and you'll figure it out with a bit of trial and error. Song Title theme is not dead - I just scotched that particular session, although it still produced two maps. I think the theme was irrelevant. You guys just wanted to make a speedmap!!
fgds - I had to change one once cause it didnt have a default 'light' key for lights!! As for aliens mapping - I'll have to try it (after I've made my current one) ijed and i agreed that it would be nicer to have song title as the theme for a turtlemap session. rules would be: you're given a song title by another participant and build a map that fits that (whole) song.
who'd be in? Could be interesting. I would give it a shot if it fits my schedule. By whole song, do you mean lyrics too?
generic: yes. you'd do a map that tries to catch the atmosphere of the complete piece. i would leave it up to each mapper if including lyrics helps this purpose or not...
Because someone else chooses the music. I can think of maybe five or six tracks I'd like to base a map around, and many of the best maps and packs have been made to a track or album.
I'm pretty sure czg made Insomnia to Enter Sandman, at least in part anyway - ? And if someone else chooses the track then it means that they want to make a map whilst listening to it, so it calls for some mutability on the part of the end mapper to extract the same good idea, or thier own version at least. OK, I got a penpal map by ijed and a nick map by efdat. Shall I release the pack, or what? I'm not going to wait until January, you will surely find a few hours earlier, unless you're going for that turtlemap thing or whatever.
Song suggestion in any case: Aimee Mann (remix) - It's not going to suck if you wise up ;) the two maps are the result of a speedmap session but don't have a common theme (except for: the misunderstanding)
The song = map turtlemapping session lives. We're thinking over the Christmas holiday and make it a week time limit to build the map.
Each mapper is given a song by another, which they have to incorporate somehow into their map, this should be thematically and have as many references as possible - that's the challenge. So far myself and efdat are in, and I'm hoping for around four or five mappers to put together a decent sized xmas pack. This week or two to recruit mappers and a week for the challenge / competition / event to last - producing a map pack in time for Santa's arrival. Any takers? I was going to post this as news but that seemed a bit premature. I'm mildly tempted, but I can't say anything definite at the moment (a lot of stuff on my schedule for the xmas holidays).
Release gets its own thread. And the idea is some relaxed turtle mapping with a Christmas present to play through at the end.
Like I say this is the recruitment week - if nobody has the time until after Christmas it can be shifted - we're not talking a mod or anything complex and requiring serious commitment. I meant starting a discussion thread in which the details on theme, time, participants etc could be discussed - since this is a mapping event of its own.
Important question: Can we please base it on Quoth2???? >:D Are people going to be providing links to the songs themselves, in case you get given some obscure crap no-one's ever heard of?
Well the person who chooses the track will most likely have it in at least some format or know how to get hold of it - even if they have to bang it out on a rusty banjo.
I don't see it being much of a problem; ten minutes and you've found just about any track you know the name and artist of - which would have to be the minimum requirement for choosing a song. How would you implement the song title into the level design at all? Are you all planning on:
a) Making the larger layout of the map spell the song title b) Using the contents of the song theme to influence the 'order of events' that occur within the level? e.g. 'Knockin' on Heavens Door' - Have the player have to open a heavenly style door with only an axe (?) for example? c) A combination of the above d) other (Please Specify) But there must be some reference. The ideal is that someone coming to the map without knowing what track it was made from should be reminded of that track (and not just because it's in the title).
I know what track I'll be nominating; luckily it mentions a place, which'll make it easier, but any track will do. The real challenge is if someone chooses a song that has nothing to do with Quake's traditional theme. Disco funk, ballroom, industrial techno, orchestral, hip-hop the list goes on. Timesplitters 2 type disco, decrepit ballroom, decaying base . . . The idea is not to fuck over the person you're choosing the song for, but to promote a new twist on Quake. It's not really doable for a speedmapping session, which is why it's turtlemapping instead (a week). HeadThump dont you have a SOE map to finish? :p
I need a release for the calender year 2007. I'm less picky when it comes to speed/turtle maps. Also, I'll create a if my boss dont piss me up much this next 15 days i might finish my Maya map before end of year! i might work a litle at home to...
I think Quark actually converts
and pulled Quark up, yeap, and the latest version supports both types. Look for Convert From in the file menu and find the def or fgd file on your harddrive and Quark takes care of the rest.
This file used to be available in a FGD pack on the Worldcraft website. Does anyone else happen to have a copy to share?
it is bundled in this zip --
http://www.gamers.org/pub/idgames2/planetquake/worldcraft/quakefgd.zip it has an extension of if anyone needs a
was an accident there!
My map is butt ass ugly, but playable. If extending it a week or two will get us a Neg!ke map for the pack, I'm all for it. Plus it might give me the chance to salvage the aesthetics of my map. Does Christmas day sound like a more doable date? Given that offer it should be HeadHump! Don't expect too much though - my map is going to be small and not particularly fancy either. It won't take more than seven days in total, but due to other chores, I can't continue working on it until Wednesday or so.
Therefore Chrismas day sounds fine - at least it would make for some proper presents for a change. ;) Any other people working on a ZerTM right now? You speak the truth.
Trinca, don't let other people tell you what should or should not be in your maps. I learned that awhile ago, and even though most people hate me for it I still go on mapping and enjoy it. So don't take offense to what a few knuckle heads say. There are plenty of people that enjoy your work, myself included. (& anyone else who is working on a ZerTM), how's the progress. On my end, I can see doing some fiddling up until the middle of the day on the 25th, keeping my fingers cross familial and friendial engagements over the next two days don't distract me.
Let's do that then. The more maps the better. Truth is I'll have to bend to social pressure too
since Christmas is the one time of the year (oh, and my birthday) alienating my friends and family means fewer presents for me. I just managed to get my editor running in vista (by installing xp graphics drivers, wtf). So I guess I can get some mapping done over Christmas.
i started mapping on a zerTM, but i'm not getting any further with it. so when you guys are ready to release: don't wait for me...
...most inspirational sci-fi type map theme ever!! Ahh... what could've been :(
I mean with Doom3 tex im sure it'd be easy to do an LV426 themed map!! That would be ace! L00ds of Feinds and Vores + SNG + PG - Maybe a Flamethrower... (There was a cool flamethrower in the Killer Quake Mod thingy if I remember correctly) Oh wont someone do some progs for Quoth PG + Flamethrower? Or even just use Quoth, or just Quake, or Aliens TC (I think gameplay would be better with Quoth) or whatelse? Doom Barron? L0l! - Or how about a "recreate your fave ever picasso" map sesh? eh? Hey buddies, how are things coming? I'm working some more on mine today; I don't want to rush anyone, but just checking to see how rushed I should be ;)
I still need two days, maybe three. Wanted to get this done by today, but alas, Christmas duties and computer trouble got in the way.
efdat is out, I assume. i'm a real turtle, but i actually got one room done yesterday. i could be finished within a week or two, i guess. but as i said: no need to wait for me with the release...
instead of mapping, I had to do some maintenance on my computer, just after my advice to Necros!
So it looks like I'll be mapping this weekend too. http://sourceforge.net/projects/hulk/
Just a shame it's 2nd version rules and the dev died. Still a nice version. Be sure to read the docs for the shift-move shoot-move stuff etc. ...I'm researching all things SH at the moment. I'm almost certain to take a break from virtual mapping soon and try to get a real world 3D version of the game happening. There's some great resources out there :)
As to SH as a speed mapping theme, scratch it...as I've had a great idea for a limited brush comp that involves the games prefabs, QuothII and some custom industrial texz. Watch the skies! this is shaping up and looking like the weekend for the release.
If you have any revisions, please send them to me, or supply an URL. Thanks for your patience in all of this ;) I think thats a brilliant idea!!
Even better - you could have lego ALIENS !!!! Or just lego would be fine! D'you remember those tetramenious tetris style levels, which were 16Mb and not vised? You just prefab your blocks, and away you go!! I already suggested that some time ago, even with a texture wad (Shub-hub). I'd be up for it, though I don't know if it really works. We could try.
No aliens. That's awesome, best lego map I've seen :)
The studs on those textures are still too big, but cool stuff nonetheless. Really cool lego map: reproducing the end level of Quake was a very good idea. Lego SM should be done more often ;)
I've been a way the last few days, but good news.
I'm going to have a beta up this evening (still tweaking the lighting), if you two give the thumbs up, we'll go ahead and release the Zer turtle map pack. I'm looking for a break, too... Trinca, should we do something?
no sex theme plz, we had too many penis maps already... how about "e1m8 revisited" or "one room theme", the whole map must fit into one giant room, smaller rooms can be inside, plus low gravity and lava etc? could be fast to make... and fun... lets just get something finished... must be quick to knock up... many ppl hate this map, so lets make it better... or fail miserably... grim deeds awake!!! around may 10 or 11 for finishing line? no mods? Hate!
Just do a free-for-all! Whatever is best wins. Whichever works best wins. Plus it'll be hilarious watching everyone scrap about which is best... I might even postpone my e4m1 remake and join in, do a killer mid-evil map or whatever! I thought it was a bit unfair that the Remix mapping challenge was non-quoth. I mean half of the existing remix maps are Quoth (!!?) But hey, im just a newbie n00b who people laugh at and resent so what am I gonna do...? Complain ;-) bambuz doesnt map anyway so you can ignore him
also complaining about ppl complaining is funny and btw speedmap means something you do fast, like in 2-3 hrs or atleast in one session. not in 5 days Ricky why`d you want to use quoth for remix? czg had a good idea!!!
speeds, it seems speedmapping changed its meaning during the last 2 years or something :-) In principle, you're right, but we should allow a few days for collecting it etc. so, free for all? I'm serious and will deliver, Ricky are you in? Trinca? just re-read the previous 2200 posts and see what you find.
Fuck me I'm daft.
Listen: Speeds: I think that drug abuse is entirely wrong, I speak from experience. I am drunk right now. I also think computers are bad for the health, amongst other things. Life will infact kill you. Live with it. Fuckyou. Im in. Metlslime: Im a poor reader whien drunk. And its too late in the day. Although I have often trawled the thousands of posts on this website, apparently perplexed with the idea of makiing Quake maps. Thanks Trinca: :) Speeds 2: Quoth2 Im not really bothered about not using Quoth2, I just think it's funny. I've started throwing a few ideas together....
This weekend was manic for me, but I'll be able to do stuff now! :D Im doing a theme of hate. Its a midevil map. I thought the deadline was 10/11?
Whats everybody doing? next weekend then, ok?
I'll probably use brick/metal and either blue wiz or red elderworld. I'll start servicing the collective properly tomorrow evening. :-E I'll just go for gloom, shotgun and enough monsters. no prisoners. but ill have to start working on e4m1rmx pretty soon, but ill wait till your done before release...?
I already have a nearly complete map in the episode 4 style called A Shrine to Hatred -- fits the theme to a T, but I'll release it as a stand alone later since it would make no sense to release it in a speed mapping pack.
I finished blocking out last night (4 hours), ceilings and monsters etc tonight.
Ricky, mutual playtesting before release (while Trinca sits his baby)? Mine is called Palace Revolution }:-E after the old Stones song, Street Fighting Man. Spent about 10 hours on this or so...
gb: Where do you want me to send it? Trinca: Im gonna stop working on this now so dont worry! I have to work on e4m1rmx :D send it here (I should probably log in more often)
http://celephais.net/board/view_user.php?name=golden_boy I think I will end up around the 10 hour mark, too (perhaps a little less.) Yesterday was small family drama... (luckily I'm not directly involved) I will finish tonight and send it tomorrow. :-) Trinca, take it easy, we'll leave no one behind... not even Jonah. ;-P Would you guys air-shaft me if I used some Quoth? I think that drug abuse is entirely wrong, I speak from experience. I am drunk right now.
quote of the thread I think that drug abuse is entirely wrong, I speak from experience. I am drunk right now.
Flushing weed down the toilet 'cause you think that its the G-men knocking on your door, hell of a way to treat a friend. C-men what's the difference. Reminds me of an old Norwegian joke about a Finnish lumberjack but it's a tale for another time.
(no drugs, but no sleep instead) sm141 is done, I'm up for another one!
Theme: Explosions, Story, Ladders, Sunset, I'd even do a speedchainmap, perhaps for QuakeExpo. I'm just interested in more collaborations. Half-Quake anyone?
Remake a part of Half - Life using Quake/Quoth or whatever. It is up to the mapper how he/she does it: Use Quake textures? Half Life textures? Use Source? Remake from scratch? How abstract can you go? Strict? Recognisable? One small map or two? Collaborate? uh OK, unthemed sm session then? ;-P
Ricky, I must publicly admit I only played the beginning of HL, since it runs like a dog on Linux. I'm sure I have like a huge cultural deficit there, but I just don't care enough. I did read walkthroughs and reviews etc though so I have some idea what it is like. I'd be fine with a remake or parody of another game though, in general. Problem is I probably played more console games than PC games in the past 10 years. Most of those would be impossible to recreate in Quake, like all those Resident Evil/TR clones and Final Fantasy ripoffs... Diablo 1? Should be doable, atmosphere, dungeon construction etc, healing shrines etc... even town portal... only part we can't do is the selling and buying... and spells... The dungeon should be pretty easy to reproduce. The town would just be decorative, although we could have funny messages and even a tavern. And a healing fountain. All in comicky speedmap style of course. I sense a soul in search of answers... here's another idea: Since we never saw "the wizard" in Quake, maybe do something with him? I really want to map with the blue wizard textures... let's build the Wizard's Lair and use one of those flying things from Rogue as the Wiz. A Rogue speedchainmap in Ebon Fortress/Manse theme, with bookshelves, pentangles, blood and everything, plus those flying ghost creatures. The whole "EEEEEVIL" thing. OTOH, not everybody has the Rogue pack I guess. But a Rogue map would be something different... until Kell and party import these monsters into Quoth (insert number here)... *g* If someone can give me the basic run down on a speed map (like what the concept is and what the rules are) I'd like to participate. I'd like a more generic theme though. The last one, 'hate', is sort of up my alley.
Maybe 'suffering' or 'light' or something like that. ...but the idea is probably how you would imagine:
Make a map in a few hours - release it! There's no real rules I dont think, just dont be asking for extensions unless it's because you thought you were gonna have time to start, but something happened and it fell through. Speeds said to me that some speedmaps are made in 2-3 hours!! Mine took two evenings sat infront of my computer, probably 8-10 hours total. After that I left it until Gb's was ready. I mean I dont see anyone kicking your ass if you spend 20+ hours on a speedmap, but you might hear someone say "not a real speedmap" or something ;-P All we need to do is pick a theme and a finishing date, an we're off! Oh yeah - sm141 - Gb and I tested eachother's maps, we sent eachother demos :-) ...with Quoth flashlight!
I mean I think the theme suggestions can be taken very loosely, just do whatever... The idea was born among the q3 mappers and carried over it q1. The speedmapping was a real event - people gathered online and started mapping at the same time. Making DM maps. The time was limited to 60 (later 100 minutes) maybe with some extra 20 minutes for fixing. Then all the maps got collected, packed, put up on a server and played.
The maps had to be made from scratch and the use of prefabs was seen as cheating. Later on it switched to sp maps and more time was allowed (as sp maps are harder to make) And even if some people couldnt get online to map at the same time and the pack was collected in few days, the 'offline' mappers honorably kept the rules making their maps from scratch and in the limited ammount of time. Some years later it degraded into something you cant call 'speedmapping', more like 'turtle mapping' (which also comes from q3 scene - where people were making full maps in 1 week time) OK, well, I took a look at SM141 and I think I'd be up for something like that. Simple, blocky-ish maps with some quick kill gameplay.
I'm in for the next one! Although, realistically, it needs to happen within the next 2 weeks or I'm only going to have limited time to work on it. The rest of the summer is "ship Gears2" time.
speedmaps were made in one hour.
Then it was increased to 100mins and then there were turtlemaps and speedchainmaps etc. Of course, speedmaps are still made fairly quickly, but I think the problem was participation in the weekly events was slowing down as people weren't often able to get into IRC and map at the right time. Maybe we should have a proper oldskool speedmapping event where we do actually log onto IRC sometime and do it like we used to. Then again, I'm in a crap timezone for speedmapping now :/ Willem: cool!
I'd also like a one week timeframe. I think I can finish in under 10 hours now, too, the last one really took longer than I expected but I didn't want to release a map with half the monsters missing, because that would suck, and what good would it be? Brushwork indeed only took 5 hours. I underestimated the time needed for monster placement etc., simple. And then I decided to do it right instead of rush it. When you look at today's normal maps, 12 hours for a speedmap really still is quick. Very quick. Maybe we should have a proper oldskool speedmapping event where we do actually log onto IRC sometime and do it like we used to.
Yes, please. It's called speedmapping for a reason. 12 hours is not speedmapping... How can it be a speedmap when it takes more than a day?! I have some little ideas I'd like to try out and small speed maps would be a great place to express them. I'll need more than an hour, however.
well, it is speedmapping when you compare it to 7 months or whatever real maps take today. This isn't "the old days." This is the post-warpspasm era.
I'd also rather play a fun map than a demonstration of how fast you can knock something together just to prove it. I want to have fun playing it, too. Knocking up "something" in 60 minutes is an academic exercise, not more. It should be fun to play. I admit it doesn't take 111 monsters to have fun, but cut me some slack plz Spirit, it was my first damn released map (hey, welcome, newbie! Thanks!) and my first speedmap. Next time I'll hire a Japanese with a stopwatch. that's my pov. I think 8-10 hours are reasonable. I wouldn't want to play something with a spikeshooter and 10 dogs. Ricky, we need to train much harder and drink much less absinthe. We're damn slackers. Besides, Willem will be watching this time. ;-) How about "Slackers" as a theme? Or "grunge". My "first released map" was a speedmap too (sm111). And it was crap. And damn fun to create in ~90 minutes. I learned a lot from that one.
To me speedmapping is about enjoying oneself. I always considered speedmapping as a nice opportunity to explore new things, experiment, create wild maps. I don't see any motivation to spend too much time on a speedmap as a) speedmaps aren't exactly real releases, b) speedmaps aren't exactly supposed to be balanced or great and c) if I want to spent so much time on mapping then I'll do a proper map instead. Post-warpspasm? What exactly did/does Warpspasm change? The public interest in it has been underwhelming from what I know. Not the old days? What old days? I can't see any important new trends that make all maps better? And NO, making a map huge and empty and use min/sky lighting is not good. Did you look at the stuff in early speedmapping packs? There are some incredibly nice things in there. Like, can a speed map be a tasty 5 minute exercise in gameplay or are there expectations these days? SM141 was, to me, longer than I was expecting. A lot of simple rooms with tons of monsters. Is that what is expected or is it acceptable to knock up a small number of rooms that have some sort of a hook to them?
As you like it! I still gaze in amazement at sm48_daz and sm48_xen which had no gameplay whatsoever.
you are right about the bunch of snobby wankers.
But that should be no reason to not make speedmaps anymore. I wasn't knocking current speedmaps at all. I was just saying that doing a one off old skool speedmapping session where everyone actually gets into irc for 1-2 hours and makes their maps at the same time would be fun.
It's a great idea to extend the speedmaps and allow people a bit more freedom to chose when to make and how long for, I just remembered that I had a great time doing it in irc and thought it would be cool if there was another event like the old ones. Maybe there will be during QExpo. i completely missed the part where speedmaps went from 2-3 hours to 8-10. I remember noticing that people stopped doing them together at the same time on IRC, and started doing them "sometime during the week" -- but i assumed they were still only devoting the allowed 2-3 hours.
So is 8-10 hours spread over a week the standard practice now or just a one-time thing for the most recent speedmap session? One of the purposes of the short time span of ~2 hours was more people would be willing to participate if the commitment was that small. It sounds like you guys should be calling these Turtlemaps and embracing the 1-week timelimit if that suits your mapping desires more, so that real speedmaps can still happen once in a while without people's expectations being that they have to devote a week to it. 2-5 hours is more like it for when I used to speedmap, and I guess now that I'm free on weekends I should participate. I'll try if there's actually a meeting in #speedmap or whatever anymore.
This clearly takes practice. I spent a few hours last night on an idea that i had- just rough sketching the level. No monsters or lights or entities beyond a player start
I found the drag copy function in Worldcraft (hold shift and drag a brush to copy it to wherever the mouse pointer is moved to) immensely helpful when speedmapping. Dunno if you already have a feature like that in toetag, but if not, you should consider it. Seriously great.
Actually, Max has a similar shift drag operation that duplicates polys and extrudes edges, so if you use that at work you will know how helpful it can be. than
I have the Radiant style duplication in ToeTag: select stuff, hit SPACE, makes a duplicate - drag it where you want it. It's not the construction that's the problem. The problem is more coming up with the flow of the map in such a short period of time. Thinking up cool combat scenarios and stuff is not my speciality under severe time constraints. :P sm141 is a representative sample, both maps are longer than speedmaps often are. I don't say they're bad, just saying that you're not doing blasphemy if you make a shorter map.
I understand often this thing tries to get out of hand with ever more elaborate maps and thus the time limits were introduced. All said in good spirit. download some of the older SM maps, they are usually either short, or have sloppy brushwork, or are unlit :)
forced me to do a speedmap on irc. Where do I send it?
I spent a few hours, though the last hour or so was battling with a red armor that I replaced with a yellow one instead then. Stupid Ogier. By participating in this session I make you rest look really good. by any chance, were you naming it item_armor_inv instead of item_armor_Inv? That's the one classname in quake that has a capital letter in it. I had the same problem once, long ago.
Just upload it to the Shub-hub and post the link here.
Btw. it's item_armorInv - capital, but no underscore. so I'll email it to someone whoever is gonna make that. It's a tiny zip since I used only about 6 textures. But it's really lousy anyway.
Thanks for the help on the armor, I'll edit the game file. timelimit: 90 minutes
theme: "netherworld assembly line" sendto: me deadline: 60 hours from now (so you can squeeze those 90 minutes in your schedule at some point), that means I will compile the zip monday morning european time. Well, you are speedmapping for your very own fun. No-one can force you to do "by the rules". Don't take it too serious.
Finding a time to meet via IRC would be a tedious task. sent it to Spirit again.
If someone else ogranizes, tell me to mail them to me. It's a bit netherworld assemblylinish in a sense. sm143
timelimit: 90 minutes theme: "Quake Lake" sendto: me deadline: Monday morning european time. (add fog if you feel like it supports your imagination) With the spacehulk competition having burned up in the atmosphere I've got a low-brush map half complete and I'd guess there's a few others floating about.
I'm thinking to finish it by more or less next weekend and kick it out the door, just in the interests of not fannying about. If anyone wants to mail me their maps as well I'll bundle them up and post the link in one shot. pool all the map scraps together and make a chain map thingie out of it. Haven't had one of those since RPG's last map iirc.
It'd be cool, but wouldn't work for mine because of the way I'm spawning stuff in and managing coop starts etc.
Next time? only negke submitted a map ages ago. I'll bundle it in the next pack.
The speedrunners would like some bloody mess to run through so next theme is CARNAGE!. Sent them in until next monday, just like above. becouse it sucks :p
no bunny :p only game i liked was Painkiller had bunnyjumping :p and rocket!!! problem is that gameplay suck :\ just kill kill kill Its got the best bunny hopping ever!!!!
[shift] => [space]+[w]+[a/d] It makes a wonderful "swish" noise when you do it right!!! VERY FAST. Trinca I think you're freind doesn't know how to bunny hop... This is one for Q3:
http://lvlworld.com/review.php?id=251 The idea is you build the map to an enormous scale so the player seems to be only a couple of inches high. One room is usually all you build. I think padkitchen is particularly cool: http://lvlworld.com/review.php?id=628 Of course you don't have to stick to real world domestic settings. That's the idea. Probably a bitch to pull off in Q1, but who knows. I'm sure neg!ke can do it.
On a side note I love hl1 very dearly. Everything about it. Except Nihilanth. http://negke.quaddicted.com/images/fitz0000.jpg
It's boring. good theme, another example:
http://gamers.org/pub/idgames2/levels/deathmatch/s-u/tinyq.zip DM map, plays ok in DMSP Oh, and also someone should organize an all star speed mapping event. get old school people who never map for quake anymore or Semi famous mappers, or whatever to whip up some speedmaps for the 11th quakefest. if you gave them a deadline now, there might even be a submission.
is actually an interesting idea, if there are enough retired mappers who are willing to participate. The problem is however that in order to map quickly, you must know your editor quite well (I suppose), and those who haven't mapped in a while are at a disadvantage there I guess.
Yes, that would be cool, but I doubt many of them would participate. They could still contribute by skillful bitching and ranting, though.
Drew: It's from my crate sm111 - you've played it. Trinca: 2noobs1map then! instead of it going quiet and SM144 suddenly appearing in the news feed with two maps in it
I could ask headshot if he would be interested in dusting off the old editor. Not sure he'd be up to it though, but who knows. Myself, I'd be willing to participate as well, but I'd have to learn ToeTag first.
some image in tf and biff suggested a speedmap theme pixilla!
http://kak.ru/vimg/article/d201b7cda9ea696e9e87671809de2eef.gif http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3855/cr8robotestwa5.jpg - idea: floating islands in the void
- idea: tower-like building that fell over about 70 degrees and is now collecting pools of rainwater, populated with monsters and some secrets that can only be reached by sideways rocket jumping. - idea: 10-story high deathmatch arena, with fully working singleplayer as well. - idea: city in a forest, walkways and buildings suspended several meters above forest floor, between (or attached to) the trees. These are some ideas for challenging mappers, use them in any combination you wish:
- no hallways - no rooms (hallway junctions are allowed, but must not be larger than the hallways they connect) - no vertical walls - no flat floors - no secrets - no scrags - no powerups - no high-tier weapons (SNG/RL/LG) - no normal monsters (I.E. unpopulated level except for boss battles) - restrict yourself to two normal monster types and one boss type (shambler or vore) - creative use of normal monster groups that take the place of bosses - underwater level (only pockets of air to keep you alive). Man - er, your engine:- Please will you make it work with my
and a different version of the water effect thingy I was trying to run...
Spires From Ever
Quake Gone Clean Cyclopean Mines The Pathway Descent Into Quanta (whatever that means) So, people who I'd like to see do some SM:
Headshot SleepWalkR Lun CZG Fribbles Bal Damaul Aardapel RPG Tiddles Xen - him especially. ELEK J.F.Gustafsson Tigger That guy who made Rubicon Fat Controller Fern Kona Sadlark Guy Thats all I can think of. I thought that guy who made Rubicon was a degenerate, wandering alcoholic who makes a living selling 2nd hand train tickets these days?
There's gonna be two speedmapping events at QExpo, on the 16th and 23th of August.
Theme 1: Dreamscape Theme 2: City in a Forest Optional subthemes: Worship Zwiffle, Praise Zwiffle, Zwiffle is Awesome, Zwiffle Gone Wild The 70 degrees tower idea sounds good, too. roulfff 16 is my mother birthday... i will be 250 km away from my home :p 23 i will be in north is my wife mother home 400 km :p
guess i will make any... only tomorow i will have time :( >I thought that guy who made Rubicon was a degenerate, wandering alcoholic who makes a living selling 2nd hand train tickets these days?
Blasphemy I just realized I set the deadlines for the two SM events quite early.
I'm going to change them to Monday, 18 and Monday, 25. Already got a dreamscape map by rudl - thanks. the extra time will allow more people to finish things they wouldn't have been able to, and mean fewer "just after qexpo" releases.
Could be done, I guess, but I certainly won't participate myself.
the theme of the second speedmap would be better suited to a turtlemap.
But only because I tried making a tree last night and it took me the best part of an hour. :P This is shit and took way too long: http://qexpo.tastyspleen.net/uploaded/140/smqe08c_pack.zip
A potentially interesting theme suggestion by scar3crow: A map that consists entirely of func_trains (except for an outer box) that all have to move at least slightly. ...is a work of pure genius.
Conveys such an uncomfortable feeling all the way... Great work, Negke! I was curious about who would have taken up the challenge of the "tilted" theme. I guessed right... That was quite a Portal/Prey-like headfuck. Nice one Negke. The final jump took me far too many attempts.
If I hadn't had to work this weekend I'd have finished my leaning tower of Pisa-style tower map. :( I might just work it in to a regular map now. -A pedestral with things to come
-Homemade super-collider -Get the kills, pay the bills -Social engineering in 256 shades of brown -czg's great urine saga Part 2 -Obsessive medkit collector -Caffeine-induced defecation -A redefinition of unf Seriously though, which of the suggested themes in the several hundred posts above do you favor? (so there's a higher chance for your participation) HOW about join together 7 people and each mapper make a map that have a weapon and make it a sequel from map 1 to map 7 with one weapon each?
might be fun ;) i dont mind to make the first :p with boomstick If someone wants to put themselves through managing a chain speedmapping event I'll contribute.
How about minimum 3 distinct areas per mapper? Personally, I would like something that concerns an established theme or stigma that is common to Quake. Something that uses ID textures or ideas, a monument to the 1996 phenomenon.
I now have a good idea of what the rest of my week looks like, so there is nothing conflicting with my free time to map this weekend.
over the weekend, so count me in. If the theme [whatever that may be in the end] doesn't suit me I'll just submit whatever I can come up with.
Theme suggestions [excuse me if they've already been done/suggested]: -Dizzy -Quake VI -Creative use of Quoth's 'trigger_command' -Teleporter madness -Elderworld themepark -Against the clock -Biscuits but i will not make a map... the very few time i got to map i prefer to finish tchak :p or will be release in 2010 and i want to release it this year... i hope :\
Lunaran guess your ENGLISH is worse then mine or you read it all wrong...
but i will complete!!! sexy "women" bitch! :p Free Saturday with nothing to do for once and a plan to wake up early...although the reason I wanted to get up early was to be productive for once on a weekend...so if I make a speedmap is that considered being productive?
i wanted to make one but only will have time on next week to make something :\ if pack could be delay untill wedn... i could make one for sure-1
worked on one when I got home last night, but scrapped that map when I figured out a way to adhere to the theme and the map I was making was lousy for that theme.
it's really awful and took 8 hours and needs an engine with a raised edict limit but it's worth it for a confused laugh
I wont have any time to play e-mail shuffle this afternoon, so just in case my assumption is wrong, you can snatch up my speed map from this address:
http://mortisville.quakedev.com/sm1xx_HT.bsp Few notes: Four and a half hours of brush work, almost eight hours of vising. A few bugs. A couple of health packs fell out of the vis version, big bleh, there. However, I ran through the level twice and it was still only a mildly difficult challenge to beat. I also hate the underwater waterfall error too, but no time to fix. Enjoy. My graphics card's gone loopy. If I can keep Worldcraft open for more than twenty minutes at a time without everything going crazy colours, hopefully I can get my map done on time. Otherwise I'll finish it when I've
It's times like these that make one wonder if computers are really worth the bother. Headthump - you have the right address, I think.
Text_Fish - WC2.1 had a software mode IIRC which should be usable on small maps. Seems like this session is going to be another busy one, I'm already looking forward to the rants of frustration from my entry. I wasn't sure if it was Negke or Spirit organizing the current speed mapping event, and the QExpo site was not coming up for me this morning to double check.
about the idea of 'studies'. When an artist does a study he'll copy a photo or he'll sketch fifty faces on a page or do some other kind of experimentation that isn't meant to be any kind of finished hang-on-a-wallable work, and is solely for the purpose of learning by doing.
Is there enough room for experimentation to build study maps? Little one-off things that are meant solely to try things with ogre-architecture interaction or func_train rides or backtracks or even just what role func_doors play in a map? i actually do that... for a few purposes:
- small map to try out a new texture set i'm working on - small map to test out the quakec for a new entity - small map to test out a gameplay encounter that is more scripted than usual we all have testboxes for everything new we've made like qc and so on. But who does it just for stuff Quake already has?
Three people, each one builds a room or part of a level on the specified side of a premade Y-shaped middle wall with three doorways in-between. The texture theme is free for everyone to choose (and will hopefully differ from the others).
Anyone interested in giving this a try this weekend? So kinda like that game where the first person draws a head on a piece of paper and folds it over, then the next person does the body, folds it over, etc?
Cool. Choose your sides!
http://g.photos.cx/chb00_00-81.png http://shub-hub.com/files/misc/chb00_00.zip Uses the Knave wad, if you don't have it: http://kell.quaddicted.com/knave.zip Possibly in case of missing wad put the wad to the same dir as qbsp. use THIS
http://shub-hub.com/files/misc/chc00_00.zip I corrected one brush I forgot inside another. Hm, that didn't work or what? :\
I wanna map so I declare: This weekend. Quake. From the darkest corners of negke's bedroom. In The Elder's envisage. SUPER COLLIDER 128 Send the maps to me, I will package it Monday during the european morning hours. If you make a map with 128 monsters then you are a cockgoblin. can't be arsed to finish it, I'm fed up with the plats and doors not working right. It is finishable though shit.
I'll send it to u spirit I compel you to map a tropical island with palm trees, jungle bits and monsters in Hawaii shirts until next Monday! SM145!!
(ps. going to try Far Cry 2 soonish) Don't discuss themes for eternity, step forward and choose one. No-one is forced to use it anyways.
SM146: Vondur Iceberg Send the maps to me, I will package them Monday during the european morning hours. Anyone got a nice wad with ice and snow to recommend (no fullbright hell please)? I know this speedmapping session is over, but I would still be interested in hearing your suggestions for such was as well :)
themes should ber giving durring week not weekend :( i cant map at weekend... :\
i realy wanted to put vondur inside a iceberg :( it's pretty ghey... But I have a map for whenever the next event is. Should I be sending this one to spirit?
<st3ady> hey if no one made a theme for speedmapping can i just post one?
<st3ady> looks like Drew already started one <@Spirit_> it's rather late for a weekend speedmapping session :P <@Spirit_> but if you want, post one for this week and i'll bundle them next monday <@Spirit_> then trinca can make one too Theme: Unlikely Escape sent mine to good ole' spirit
its got problems but i didn't want to spend more time on it, if i did it wouldn't be a 'speed' map Thanks for the theme inspiration and suggestion, you have given me a corker of an idea. Now, I HAVE to make a map.
"As usual Monday deadline, send maps to me."
Can someone give me the rules again? When can I start mapping for a Monday deadline? Does it need to be done in 2 hours or what are the current rules? 1.a.01) All maps herein created by an author (referred to hereafter as "the mapper") are to be submitted no later than 0700 hours, Central Standard Time.
1.a.02) If a map's creation time is greater than 2 hours of time, the mapper responsible must cut off his left thumb and swallow it live on web cam. 1.b.01) Just map and get it in by Monday some time. Sheesh. usually I map for 2-5 hours. I don't think I've ever gone longer than that, and I've never broken it up, unless you count 15 minute breaks to like, pick my gf or something like that.
I've never made one in less than an hour. But shit, its tough mapping with no thumbs. The rules are: Have fun!
If you feel like it, map 60 minutes. I often try that. :D If you want to invest hours, well, that's your choice. It's good to try things and stuff. I would not ever spent hours polishing the gameplay, lighting, texturing or things alike though. Speedmaps aren't worth that in my opinion. And you can totally ignore any theme (which I might do this week because I want to try something rather different). ;) I think i will jump of this week ;) negke is pressing me up to finish tchak ;) and i want to start beta in end of month to release during christmas ;) i need to start a fresh map in 2009 :)
Heh, OK, I know the idea is to just map and have fun but I didn't want to break any rules
Check the maps for SM141
Dont know how long I spent on mine, but it wasn't as long as I probably said it was, but I got slated for it being too polished, and not a REAL speedmap. I dont care really, it was fun to make. MY only midevil map. Apparently it was a turtlemap, but if I had taken a week it would have been even better. I was on my midevil mapping honeymoon.... yesterday after finishing my lunch, I grabbed a legal pad to sketch out the ideas for the map and how the entities would need to be organized to make it work, when after the eighth page of detail it occurred to me that the idea is a little too involved for a speed map. I'll still take some time to map for it, though.
gotta skip this week, i've fallen behind in my MCAT studies, I need to spend the whole weekend and Monday catching up. sux
I have to be up early tomorrow so I don't have any more time to work on it. Here is the map file if anyone feels like throwing some entities at a
basically complete but entity free structure. It's in Quake 3 format. http://mortisville.quakedev.com/dred1_1.map If not, I'll finish it up next session. Ditto to Headthump.
My speedmap has morphed into something more quasi turtleish. Minus the quality that title implies... I tried to whip something together quickly but I'm burnt out. I have a theme suggestion for next week though: Finish an aborted speedmap. "Finish some map scraps". Should be easy, most ppl have many lying around, and could do more than one map for it.
Not Finishing?
#2544 posted by Spirit [80.171.7.14] on 2008/11/24 09:09:14 What are you, girls? Ladyboys #2545 posted by negke [88.70.0.211] on 2008/11/24 09:57:04 obviously The preferred term is fancylad, or Nancy, but, yeah, I wimped out. Lets take "finish an aborted speedmap" as theme next week. I didn't quite finish mine as wel, but with a week more I can expand it an finish for next session.
And since HeadThump and Drew has speedmap scraps as well we can have some "double" speedmaps, guess it will be turtlemaps then? Well who cares as long as we get some maps! In most cases map scraps deserve better than being haphazardly pushed out for speedmapping purposes. Do something original!
(There was a Drew scraps themed session once) A speedmapping theme of finishing up some of Shambler's map scraps.
You know he's had to try it at least once! ... maybe one person could upload a scrap or 2 like I did that time, and we could go for there. I'd offer some more up, but I don't have many floating around these days.
That would be neat. Create a room or set piece of some kind and have people build on it for a few hours as speed maps.
Theme: finish this scrap http://negke.quaddicted.com/files/tour.map
LA TOUR ZWIFFEL!!! I haven't really been around much recently, but every time I look at one thread or another people are calling each other elitist bastards and slagging stuff off a lot. Maybe a love and peace theme is long overdue?
(btw. I don't mean to diss Z or anything. It should be obvious by now how much I idolize him)
than only Scampie made this kind of stuff... but i add him to ignore list...
he can put the #tf OP in the fucking ass... .. theme for this week then ?? Maybe I will participate as my latest project is in beta test... though...
I'm sending my map to Spirit right now!
About 10 hours and 12 beers of mapping, it's basically 2 speedmaps fused together. Brushwork is sloppier than Neg!kes ass after a gang bang, abd the Skill level is over the top again. Pretty proud of it anyway! I made a fast ending on mine double/tripple speedmap for this week and maild it to spirit.
So maybe there will be a pack after all. The theme was "Not actually speed maps", I guess.
But seriously, anyone who doesn't participate cause the theme is unclear is a weiner. PS Hrim is a good man. I don't know it I'll make it for sm150, so if necessary I'd be fine with it being used in that pack.
"But seriously, anyone who doesn't participate cause the theme is unclear is a weiner."
I can work on random maps on my own. The whole idea of the weekly speed map, for me, is that I'm given an interesting theme and a few hours to do something with it. Random noodling, well, I can do that anytime... so if someone wants to go for a quickie, you have 12 hours for your enjoyment.
I don't really think you're a weiner Willem. I was just kind of bummed that nobody seems to contribute anymore.
Negke? Where were you? Generic? What happened? etcetera i wanted to contribute but i had some pretty awful real life stuff get in the way. hopefully next time
"150"
Looks like Quake3 guys are getting back into speed mapping. Or hoping to, anyway...
http://speedmapping.free.fr/ Hope this takes off! Whatever keeps mapping active is a good thing, IMO. SM151: Bookworm Bitches from the Ether Space
Obviously you are welcome use Quoth and make a clichee knave.wad map. And how about this: Don't exceed 3 hours of active mapping. Send your map(s) to me until the second next monday (February 2, that's 10 days from now). We should really try finding a time where an IRC session could be done for proper speedmapping... Theme suggestion; The Complete Works of Johnny Cash
(shotgun making a map consisting of a very long, thin beam (line) you have to walk alone ;) burning ring of fire
i went down down down and the flames crept higher and it burns burns burns.... Yeah, genious theme! :P Isn't the theme this week Bookworm Bitches from the Ether Space?
We're just discussing next weeks theme (I actually have an entire list of Cash titles>Quake levels in notes, I'm just resisting the urge to post it) #2606 posted by RickyT23 [81.157.18.236] on 2009/01/28 17:25:14
burning ring of fire i went down down down and the flames crept higher and it burns burns burns.... Social Distortion; in their hands, the song sounds like a sea chanty, and the ring of fire, a burning butt hole after a night on the demon rum. QuArK creates so incredibly weird things. I hope I can keep the weirdness until the map is done, it's almost negkegian.
now that the new fizzy is out, map some outrageously huge manybrushy pointy spiky leaf subdividing thingys...
SM152: Quake Soccer
Make a map for this mod: http://forums.inside3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=1538 Send me maps until monday the 4th May. I forgot to finish mine and no-one else made one...
So here is the new SM152 for until next monday and I'll finish my soccer map some day and release it alone. Thanks to Zwiffle for that theme. SM152: Descent Into Quanta Well, I can pretend I participated in the original SM152, just preemptive style... I looked up quanta. So far Zwiffle's definition is still the most useful one I've found.
Referring back to the quantum mechanics course I took, the actual definition of a quanta is a discrete packet of energy - ie. a whole number of energy, nothing between 1 and 2, 2 and 3, and so on. Really, I understand it just to mean a measurement of something.
You guys take it way too seriously. Quanta is whatever you want it to be. You can do everything on quanta.com! I'll just pretend Quanta is a magical fairy land.
I made a speedmap for Orion's Soccer mod, but it had a tendency to crash the game any time the ball hit a trigger_out. The more I tried to fix it, the more it would crash. In its current state, the map crashes any time the ball hits a trigger_out or a trigger_goal. I have rebuilt the triggers and triple-checked the documentation, but a solution still eludes me.
I am not sure at this point if I am making mistakes or if I'm triggering a bug. Given that the smaller of Orion's maps crashes for me the same way, I'm guessing bug. Either way, I am not comfortable releasing my map at this time. once again, what is the theme, if there is no theme i whould participate, i'm still gonna beat your sm134_spirit as a best map ever
cheers spirit i gonna make a soccer or an american football map my soccer map quota for the while. Requesting meaningful theme! (Something with a definition that I can't easily debate at length and come up with many incongruous designs for).
Honestly, I'm working on a larger map at the moment so that's why I haven't been interested in speed mapping lately. Not sure about everyone else.
Hey, no need to apologize for anything. :)
It's just not the time for speedmapping it seems. I had great fun doing half of a map again anyways. Just reinstalled WC and all. Feeling pretty rusty but I'd probably be up for it.
Now WC 1.6 isn't compiling for me again... fuck.
func seems pretty slow these days. Am I right? Not necessary - I run / compile from my Steam folder with no problems, although I use WC3.3 nowadays.
Func slow . . . average posts a day for RQ is getting bigger. This will sound stupid but does RQ have it's own web site/forums? I'd be interested in following it...
Requests are starting to arrive and our Trac isn't public access, and the idea of making it so makes me cold all over.
I'll see about putting a page together sometime soon. will be able to map tomorrow night though.
Anyone else? ( ( ( echo ) ) ) probably not. Pick an otherworldy color (colour for you non-American speaking citizens) from any WAD and stick with it! Azure, Ebon, Flesh, Rust, etc. Turn your maps into me by midnight Sunday, June 7. I will post the results on Monday, or soon thereafter.
WOOT! Who's in and who needs more time? Also, does anyone who mapped for the quantas or soccer themes want to contribute? Let me know :)
I certainly didn't map for the soccer theme.
I'm definitely in. Just give me an hour and I'll whip something together. got one.
kinda ugly, ending sucks. leaks. However its also the first map I've made in fucking forever, so I'm happy! Will some administrator please update the ZIP link to:
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm152_pack_01.zip Also, Willem, please delete sm152_pack.zip from Quaketastic. Thx! OK, deleted.
Drew : You must map fast, damn. :) I loved the vibe of the level and I think that might be a cool start to a larger SP level. Start the player off in water like that so they feel the wet before you finally let them onto dry land. By the time I got into the castle and out of the water I felt a definite sense of relief. Generic : Short but neat! The arena combat was a cool idea. yeah, I just threw a big room together with a lot of doors and buttons and hoped it would work out.
If we can keep this going maybe we'll get some decent packs... What we need is some REAL theme suggestions. Something simple with room for interpretation... not too much though eg 'quanta latte'...
Any ideas? Cyclopean Architecture
R'yleh Neo Knave (homage to the best quake texture set ever!) The Tunnels Between the Voids Caught in a Slipgate That one was the name of my 2nd ever speed map, in case you're wondering where I got it from. ;)
I remember it...
I think caught in a slipgate could maybe be okay? Extreme temps could be good too. I think caught in a slipgate could maybe be okay?
what does that imply? Some sort of mashup-theme (stuck between two worlds? Or does it mean you just put the info_player_start inside the slipgate geometry? Extreme temps could be good too. Go on, call it Hot N Cold so we can finally see some Katy Perry themed maps... lets not bring katy perry up again...
I immediately thought of something good for caught in a slipgate, but I'm trying to get a wad together... so far so bad. i say we vote. Yeh, just wiki'd her. I was vaguely aware of the kissed a song. I like that her debut was called 'lawl niggas' (or something equally offensive), you have to 'respect' someone with that much idiocy
I was watching this documentary about some evangelical christians who live somewhere in England, and they were a large family (dont believe in contraception), the eldest son had been at university, the second eldest (the eldest daughter) went to see how life was like for her brother in London at university. They had all been home-schooled you see, and had no idea what life was like in the "real world".
I just remember a scene where they where in a nightclub, and the girl was sulking because she found the lyrics to that song "offensive and disturbing". I find it offesive and disturbing that people will bring their kids up like that, its basically brainwashing. I also remember the girl crying hysterically over the death of Jesus, saying that she did not deserve to be there because he had died for HER sins. Weird, she was about 12 or 13. That's nothing compared to the video of the hippies in the forest, crying and wailing on behalf of the dead trees that had been cut down. It was embarrassing to even watch.
I'm totally the wrong person to organize this - I don't even know how to upload to shub hub or whatever - but...
SM 153! Caught Between Slipgates -optional theme: Extreme Temperatures (Starbuck kissed a girl... once) - Hand it in by midnight next Sunday (21st) I know that is a lot of time, but I know I won't have hardly any time to sit down and map this weekend. Plus it would allow the SM ball to get rolling and maybe allow more contributions from people who don't have time or inspiration this weekend. I'm working on one, but yeah, it's cutting into my other projects. I should have it done by Friday, just have to add monsters and gameplay.
We have 2 then, cause I'm going to do mine thursday.
I'd love to get some more speedmap celebrities... AKA Negke I'm hurt.
but I'm mapping. is anyone else doing something, making progress, in need of more time? I'm going out of town tonight until Sunday, so Sunday is when I'll be able to send my map to whoever needs my map.
will not be getting up any time soon.
neither will sm153, as far as I can tell. I am sorry that it has come this has happened. I love you all. I might be inclined to make another ugly map, only less ugly, but only if 2-3 people join
I might be up for a 100 brush event, too. But not alone. Perhaps even a doom-like 1024 event - the player must not leave an area of 1024x1024 units, and no room over room. Theme suggestion: Blood sacrifice. ??1? Nevermind my last post! I have solved my issues, and I am awaiting any maps that people want to send in!
Zwiffle, you still gonna make it? Negke, did you fulfill my fantasies? Gb, should I wait a day or two for your contribution? I'd be in for quick 100 brushes in 1024. (And generally that 1024 idea, I'd simply restrict myself further then).
Drew: Nope.
gb: We did that with SM127. Turned out 1024 was too much space - 512 is better and also removes the need for a 'no room over room' rule (which would be silly for a Quake map). You guys are losing it man.
Think of the base panel textures, 128x128. So your allowed 4x4 of those!??!?! = 512x512 Or 8x8 of those? 1024x1024 A room 8 panels by 8 panels isnt very big. OK, I just built a test map and assuming that you were allowed to build vertically, 1024 should be enough room to do stuff.
Now, 512 would be trick... would be good for forcing innovative gameplay. I'm imagining 'crimson room'-style clue-finding, moving walls, lots of small traps to avoid, that kind of thing.
Alternatively you could compromise and restrain the player inside a 512x512 room, but allow other things to move in - monsters teleporting, whole bits of scenery, etc. For a more silly application, I once made a speedmap that was kinda space invaders/asteroids themed. It trapped you in a box and scrolled spaceships and asteroids by you, and you got a score based on how many of them you hit. I'd be interested in seeing someone do cool things with that idea. http://www.quaddicted.com/filebase/sm66_pack.zip if you're interested. Also, I should speedmap again. Also, I found the tower maps so cramped that they weren't fun to play anymore. 1024 is good. Like Ricky says. It allows you to make corridors wider than 48 units :-P
1024 is also better for the Oh, I didn't mean 512*512*unlimited. It would have to be ^3, of course. Such a theme is meant to offer a technical challenge (like 100b) and while building a good map inside 1024^3 isn't as easy, the size still allows for getting away with less intricate brushwork.
Your 'no room over room' description takes away every benefit the engine has. I'd rather play a cramped map than a 2D one. 512 is an extreme example, but should be feasible for a speedmap, whereas 1024 would be better suited for a turtlemap event. I wouldn't mind doind another (albeit private) 1024 Doom compo, though. Condense an original id Quake map into a 1024x1024x1024 version of the same map. Squish, shrink and contort an entire map to fit in that space.
Your 'no room over room' description takes away every benefit the engine has.
well yes, that's the challenge. done
it sucks more than the last one, and it took longer... but it doesn't leak! so its taking a few minutes to compile here.... Also it is quoth. forgot to mention in news submission. and also you should just jump repeatedly during on the initial lift - seems to get me a bit every time, but not sure why. didn't do that before full compile and I'm not gonna go back to fix that shit up now.
be able to participate this week, because I am going out of town the 25th through the 28th. Next week I might be able to do two though!
Deadline: This weekend.
Theme: Improve Safety However you interpret that. Send maps to me (mail in profile). I'll zip them and upload to quaketastic on Monday. Get mapping. but its too much of a pain for me to make right now.
instead I'll make a shitty unthemed map. I think I'll have one for you. I just want to make something simple, cause my last speedmap got out of control and I wasn't able to really finish it properly. won't happen this time.
Unthemed would have been my theme choice #2, since I feel much like Drew and basically just want to do something quick...
throw in some protection for the monsters :-P or for the player. One of my ideas was to take House of Chthon and correct those pesky buttons. :-)) Drew, how's it going?
My map is practically finished, brushwork, monsters, items etc., just need to do a few triggers and a lift, and blammo. Mine's pretty small, usual gameplay, but hopefully nicer looks and needs Quoth (or any mod that supports SPAWNED, heh). Can't be arsed to build spawnboxes anymore. I'll upload the pack tomorrow if you send me one. I started mine but only put about 20 minutes into it. I'll do a quick retool tomorrow morning before work and send that off to you.
I don't think anyone else is taking part this time. pussies. Sure, that's fine.
If you'd like more time, we could simply skip this one. Where are all the others? there never will be.
because they are all big 'real map' making manginas. i'm sending you some mail right now. Oh if we could at least make a 33 speedmap megawad. Megapak I mean.
Not going to happen, huh. How about that 512x512x512 contest? Would the people be more inclined to participate? "Speedrun" - set your map up with the possibility of multiple routes for speed runners in addition to regular gameplay.
I probably won't be able to make the next event. Won't rule it out completely but I seriously doubt it.
Zwiffle - there was a speedrun session years ago, and it was pretty good. I personally don't think I'd stay on theme with that one. I just never speedrun, so it would be hard to map for. Also, isn't the fun of speedrunning finding ways to work around the 'rules' of the map? I don't really have an idea how to make a map enjoyable to speedrun. It often seems speedrunners just like the simpler, cruder, or weirder maps. Plainly for trickability. Actually making a map with that in mind would be quite a challenge for me.
It should have several possible routes? Be relatively open? The trick is, I think, to make a map that is fun and has lots of running possibilities, but without overdesigning it for specific tricks and obvious routes. It's much more rewarding as a running to have possibilities to play around with and options to try and work it out for oneself, rather than having shortcuts and routes handed on a plate. Thus:
Dos: Open mapping with space to move. Normal map progress made by moving upwards or over gaps or similar. Variety of useful monsters (ogres, vores, fiends, blers, spawn). Some "trickier" explosives, gl or barrels. Slopes if they fit in naturally. Clean mapping with not much to snag a player. A reasonable amount of health. Plenty of monsters but not in cramped spaces. Don't: Too much health/armour/pent/eyes to make infinite boosts or general running too easy. Really obvious "go this way" shortcuts. RL, too easy. GL too early unless lots of hard trick potential. Quad. Yeah. I think the hard part is to build shortcuts without serving them on a plate.
If the theme is "speedrunning", well, hmm, there goes my disguise already, as a mapper :-P I can't do it this time unless we have Saturday as the total deadline, since I'll be travelling from Sunday on. I made a map. It's tiny and bleh and doesn't really qualify as a speedmap since it took forever. Reason is I made it in Radiant (=my first map!)- in order to finally get familiar with a modern editor and because I can't reboot at the moment thanks to VIS. Going to send it to gb.
Radiant feels like a solid editor, but it definitely has some quirks. Selecting stuff (brushes/entities) is kind of awkward once there's something above the object in question - I ended up selecting those things in the Camera window - is there better way for the 2D modes? It wasn't needed in this map, but the Region thing seems more complicated than necessary, too. I reckon this will make for some woes in the future. Is there a way to have the mdls displayed? For I found the entity box display to be suboptimal. What sucks most is that Radiant is so picky about non-standard (non-predefined) entities - for example, when making a brush-based info_notnull, the brush is discarded and the entity moved to the origin of the map. Cloning brush ents is dangerous, too, as not only one might end up with 'bbox merging' but also rogue ents when deleting them. So, Radiant people, any tips? in 2D view, you always select the closest brush, unless there's an entity, then it will select the entity no matter if there's a brush closer.
I do most of my selecting in the camera view. Sometimes if i want to select a group of things, i draw a brush around them in the 2D view and choose "select complete tall" to select everything fully inside that rectangle -- 'partial tall' will include objects that are partially outside the brush you drew, and 'inside'/'touching' are the equivalent functions but where the height of the initial brush matters ('tall' commands will ignore the third dimention. Note that the third dimention is whichever one is not visible in your current 2D view, so "complete tall" with a side view would select an invinitely long area, not an invinitely tall area.) Use shift+alt+click for cycling through brushes that are on top of each other in 2d modes.
For cloning things, unfortunately, I find that you can't clone brush entities at all, because they will end up being the same entity just spread out over multiple brushes. You have to clone them before you make them entities, and then what I do is set one property, select a different entity, press enter then change the name. For example, if I want to make a series of crushing doors, I'll line them up, then turn each one into a func_door, set one with 'targetname = crushDoor01', select the next one, press enter, delete the 1 then press 2, etc etc. It is very cumbersome this way, but I don't know anything better. nice i will sent mine untill friday for sure!
today i dont have time for it... but tomorow i will try to finish it. lets do something simple. like... moldy bricks. or metal at night. or the 512x512 or something.
i never do these anymore because all i can think of under a time limit is to make some stupid fucked up shit. :P
i never do these anymore because all i can think of under a time limit is to make some stupid fucked up shit. :P
and sm134 is a good example of that shit/ the best pak eva... That's the point dude. Speedmaps, stupid fucked up shit. 2 hours to make, 2 minutes to play, Quake nonsense, but still good fun.
well if you wait one more week you might get one from me.actually when will it be released, cause theres a tiny chance I might be able to get one in... maybe.
Got Negke's and Trinca's. If there are any others to be uploaded send them to ZwiffleOwnsU@gmail.com. I'll upload them when I get home from work today.
Economic Crisis
Fuck Low Cost Companies Disintegration Black Holes Hole of Blacks (if you are gays) Shamblers Festival Vores Party Ogres Dinner Zombie Flesh . . . >Quad axing zombies is fun, though. Used it in my coag map.
negke's coag map, where? i need it right now ;) Offworld Site Infested with Nano Base-Building Bots
Unspeakable Contraption Planet (the whole planet is one evil contraption, ie Necros' latest map River Styx of Star Fluid Cyclopean Architecture (yes, for like the 3rd time) Drowning, Stabbing, Burning +Whatever older ones I may have suggested if you like gibbage then you have to try this map:
http://speeddemosarchive.com/quake/contests/dismalgib.html e2m6 with a twist :) tried like, 5 times in the last week to start something - my inspiration fizzles out almost instantly. haven't actually played quake itself since the last speedmap was released...
this is totally bumming me out. Next weekend due by Sunday, September 6th 2009 sometime before I go to sleep. Send maps to ZwiffleOwnsU@gmail.com, if you are running late let me know on Sunday so I don't miss your submission!
is it acceptable to use quoth in a speedmap? lot easier making a machine with multiple targets and of course rotaters...
Necros already submitted a map so we have at least ONE AWESOME MAP for sm156!! Do not be left out! Do not fall behind! Map for sm156! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it now! Or before Sunday! Do it!
Do it! Sm_56-59 were great packs, with quake episode 1-4 theme. What do you think of making anything like that again? What about making 'popular custom textureset event'? That means for example the first event is ikbase themed, then knave and so on
We now have TWO maps. From Necros. Two maps from Necros. TWO FROM ONE AUTHOR. THE STAKES HAVE JUST BEEN DOUBLED. That's almost 3x as much. So go map. Do it. Do it. Do it! DO IT! DO IT NOW! DO IT!
Do it! ... at least, the beginnings of something. it has real promise - maybe too much for a speedmap?
I'll try to seal it up and add some gameplay, but its definitely not a promise. I'm uncertain, but I may extend the deadline a bit because I may or may not be going out of town this weekend and if I do I may not get back until Monday sometime, since Monday is a US holiday.
It will increase the chances that inspiration will strike me in time to make something. That and I'll be kinda busy with family stuff this weekend too.
i'd like to participate, but the real life's eat me a;ive (c)
==one day my plane leaves some way my head creaps== not ready. spent maybe an 1.5 hours on it. maybe it will become a turtle. maybe it will be lost to the void. sarry yall.
Now that I have GTKRadiant set up properly, I might be interested in a speed mapping thingy
I'd be in for a http://forums.inside3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=1734 session. You don't have to use any special entities so it is easy to map for.
I'd like to do a vanilla/quoth SM.
I've been working with the 'city' textures a lot lately, so I'd like to do something with those. Doesn't really constitute a "theme" though. that mod looks interesting too.... I have a pretty big paper due soon. That means I have to procraastinate.
I might make something - definitely not promising anything though, since the mapping part of my brain has shrunk severely. (long time passing)*
Ideas: 80's arcade tribute func_pushable (hipnotic progs) Wild West *bonus points for referencing an obscure 60's protest song... :P something involving low gravity or telefrags?
"Shambler and Scampie touching balls on a rainbow" Well okay, I made a small jump'n'run arcade map for jdhack. Someone make a shooting gallery with monsters on func_trains. Or something like Cardo's space invaders speedmap.
Anyone care to join in? If not, I'll just post it here. http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=60251&start=158&end=163
If that dream became a map, I'd play the shit out of it. Pac-man map finished. Damn you jdhack, I have no idea how this silly theme got me mapping, but here I am. Hopefully my scientologizing on Drew works so there'll be a proper SM pack again.
will you make something Generic?
On theme? Because I made something, but it's not on theme. At all. as per usual it's a big place in a dark area with too many monsters... And minlighted. I might make yet another map. Man, even gonna release a whole arcade episode! jk
The ghosts are quad ogres, so it's a little bit easier than the original. If you play on Hard, you only have 1 health, though. This is why my wife and I don't celebrate Valentine's Day. It's a Hallmark obligation. In other words, corporate America can go fuck itself. I'll buy my wife flowers when I feel like rather than when it's dictated to me.
It's a good time for me because corprorate america decided it's a good time to make everyone sell their chocolate and flowers for half off.
Therefore, Romance. I kept working on my map, and want to do a couple little things on it this morning, so it's not quite a speedmap again - sorry if that bugs any Speedmap purists - I doubt anyone gives a shit... It'll still be minlighted, haha
Negke I'll email it soon Take your time. There are still some things I'd like to try out. The pack won't be released tomorrow.
And from negke & Drew, no less! (And since Willem isn't doing anything else today...?)
negke said> Man, even gonna release a whole arcade episode! jk Don't tease me like that :) [Ha! Just noticed the themed crate] I have to watch out for the smoke signs my ISP sends me and translate them back into computer code.
Horrendous Teleporter Destination Mayhem
Basically I had a dream about this last night, teles that teleported you into other teles and then more teles and getting completely fucking lost and it sounds like the sort of thing negke would make anyway SO go for it ladies and gentlemen. I had a dream that I was friends with lil wayne last night, and we ran into dennis rodman at the mall, and he was trying to talk wayne into helping him get into the music business, but it wasn't happening.
So I suggest that as a theme. Portal 2 stories are popping up everywhere on the internets now. (Okay, I saw one scoop on Kotaku about it.)
yeah, it was a joke. But if someone were to make it into a speedmap I'd be pretty excited about it.
there's been a few maps that could fit into your theme pretty well - rudl made one once where you were forcefully teleported through every quake theme in about a minute. the smqe08d pack was " teleport madness" - all I can remember from it was the lunaran map, which was really cool but kind of frustrating. Uhh yeah really close to being done - kept getting sidetracked by other things. But the lighting is done, the gameplay is nearing completion. Thanks for the reminder.
Umm yeah just a liiiiiittttle bit more, I'm just having some hang ups on some traps not working at sodding all.
Sending me the
I'll see if I can come up with a similarly horrible map. I didn't even vis the thing, once I played through it with lights I sent it off. Speedmapping is beyond me >_<
I can't map tonight, but might be able to whip something up tomorrow.
my original plan was to make it in 30 minutes.
this did not happen. More like 1.5 hours will light it, finish it tomorrow morning. will be ready for any pack in the future. I am putting out an official request for anyone who knows how to make a map for quake in one sitting to do so.
I have made one, and apparently Negke made... something. My map falls into these categories: subterranean, waterfall, and quoth (for shambler). Feel free to utilize any of these themes. I don't know about you guys, but I'm totally willing to wait a week or two for maps to pile up so we can have a REAL speedmap PACK - not just 2 or 3 maps... I have 2 papers due, so that means I'll probably make at least one more over the next little while! OK Drew you got me... will build something this week ;) my map can wait... there is so much to do :p
Radiant makes mapping fast, rectangular and full of trim. It also makes it hard to change things later so I should end up with a bunch of brushes. Someone just give a theme.
How about "Should have been somewhere else when that happened". No, I have no idea what and why. I kind of want to do something a little more abstract (ie, simple) so that I don't have to spend crazy wonky hours messing with details.
no way, that gameplay map i did last time required a surprising amount of testing (especially the lightning tunnel).
and I'm not really all that great with the kind of Quake magick involved in that little gem.
I found your secret source of inspiration for that lightning puzzle :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZuxwVk7TU (@ 2:15)
My PC stopped displaying anything on my monitor, and I'm really not sure what's wrong (I cleaned my PC recently, and it boots up fine with no beeps, doesn't shutdown, everything seems to work except there's no output to my monitor) so I'm out this time.
Definitely a bummer though...
I'm actually having to write my papers, and I still haven't made another map. I vote to hold off for another week or something, and potentially release a bigger pack. I am putting out an official request for anyone who knows how to make a map for quake in one sitting to do so.
i made one last night. took about 6 hours.. then i spent some of this evening tweaking it and making sure it played well. it didn't follow any of the themes mentioned, but let me know where to send it if you want it. You can send it to me!
The deadline for anyone else who's interested is 10pm eastern time, on monday the 29th. That ought to give everyone else plenty of time to whip something up! extensions will be docked half a mark for each day late. the theme is "CZG's anus".
I'm wondering what happened on #tf to have such hilarious theme :D Random off topic question, it's bugging me since this morning: The name of the map with the awkward green Chton puzzle where you have to run around in circles pushing buttons in different combinations to have all the electric bars line up,it is a base map and it came out not so long ago (I'd say around 2006/7?). It's driving me nuts.
Anyone who can help will be awarded a unique, custom cast http://www.edibleanus.com/eaimages/bigchoc_RESTORE.png You know you want it. I guess I should have read that link before clicking it (I read it after it started loading and since my PC at home is down I'm at work) so it really worried me that it'd be an actual anus.
Phew! I liked the whole Blair Witch/Shambler in the corner. Things deteriorated from there - ouch!
Just to let the many, many, mappers planning to map for this event who haven't quite finished or sent the map over to me yet...
I will be awake and on my computer early into tomorrow morning , so if you need a bit more time to finish up what you've got in the works (or to start something), you have it! None from me this week, btw, but maybe I can do one over the course of this coming week (I'll be out of town next weekend so that's a bust.)
A variation of turtlemapping: A turtle episode.
Everyone tries to create an entire episode within a week, each map only the size of a more sophisticated speedmap. One map a day, seven maps in total (or how many one can manage) per participant. Think rpgsmse. That is a GREAT idea!
But one that will definitely have to wait until a time when I'm less busy, haha! fuck all that though - it's definitely worth a try! It's definitely not easy to do, especially when you have any kind of life.
A while ago the speedmappers had like 4 weeks of speedmap themes lined up with a 5th week's goal being to refine the maps - The 4 Seasons of Quake or something like that. RPG was the only one afaik to string his speedmaps into an episode, but it wasn't a map a day, it was a 5-week project and only produced like 4 maps and a start map I think. A speedmap a day is nothx for me, but a more drawn out event would be okay. er, i have a refined e2 map and unrefined e3/e4 maps, did start an idbase one for e1 but never finished it. would be nice to pull something together sometime but i have other priorities atm
It's been some years and I still build on my maps from back then from time to time!
So maybe i a few years there will be a smal episode from me as well! to maybe do it RPG style for now. make an episode session by session... I suppose that's not thematic though - more just personal.
Has "start map" ever been done as a theme? If I did do an episode I would probably need to plan it out instead of just throwing a bunch of speedmaps together - maybe a planned month-long mapping project, longer than a turtle map, with actual planning and stuff, and even then I'm not sure I could do it reasonably well.
Aiming for a whole episode (regardless of the number of maps), even if the maps aren't really related or thematically connected to each other, takes away some of the freedom from pressure that speedmapping offers (commitment, coherence, quality, you name it).
It's more of a side-project than an actual time-restricted event. sm 76 maybe? the end leads to 2 different exit gates, and I intended to make speeed maps that all kind of interlinked etc.
next week I tried to make a metal map(I find that theme so hard, I don't know why) and then gave up on the whole idea. I can't do anything in metal theme. I have tried several times but the textures just don't work for me.
Custom textures and a blocky outlook. All those 64 squares and 32 rune tiles are counter to the make it curvy idea.
Metal.wad is the easiest theme to work with - it looks good in all kinds of combinations. It's pretty much defined by a single texture.
Yeah I have like so many different
Well there was that remake project a while back where people remade original Quake maps. Not technically from another game, I know, but that's the closest I can think of.
I hope I'm not the only person here who ever played Catacombs 3d - specifically Catacomb Abyss 3d - id's 3d shooter before wolfenstein. soe1m6 was a remake of an old catacombs map. most catacombs maps were simple enough to be easily remade as speedmaps, in fact a good literal representation of the whole game's landscape could probably be created by 2 or 3 guys in 24 hours. but the power over my imagination that that game exerts is much greater than that.
<Trinca> guys in HL2 where do we supose to get healty?
<Trinca> in episode 1 <Trinca> press E in anyplace Though instead of making a map myself, I ended up playing GTA all afternoon. :P
(Still -> have Trinca axe 100 enforcers in a trainyard with no healty whatsoever) the only thing that makes it fun is the radio (especially wave-103), otherwise I'd never want to play gta.
not to be off topic or anything. some doom maps are pretty big, making them in one hour is perhaps difficult (except in a Doom editor, heh). Maybe something for a turtlemap event?
I'd be willing to participate, have done parts of e1m1 and e1m3 in a testmap last year or so... it was fun, basically ignore the grid, ignore texture alignment, use flat textures and make zigzaggy stuff. Top off with a lot of monsters. I've tried alice.wad, it's tough to work with imo.
I"m not speedmapping, but I'm going to try to do a 2-week turtle map kind of thing. Metal. Now you got me thinking about making a metal/runic map on a red-brick (alice) base with Zwifflonian-type explosive monsters...
Honorable are all those that seek out to inspire speedmappery, be they rogue or regality...
Brushcount of the editor is the limit, not what a human might consider brushes or not - so triggers etc. are included as well.
It{s a fun challenge. I might even try one... Quoth okay? I think I can do what I want without it but just for clarity :)
Honestly I was with a mood to make something, but I think I lost the interests thanks for keeping speedmapping alive SleepwalkR
look, if you want to come back purely for the sake of contributing with maps & map discussion, no-one is going to begrudge you for it. yes, people found you annoying before but that was because you were a bit of a troll with a penchant for spouting immature babble but that's no reason for people to boycott your releases, which from what i have seen have mostly been decent.
just ditch the retarded anonymous posting - it's pathetic, especially when it's so obviously you behind it. hell even pick a different name if you want - yes i changed mine, because (a) rj is what many of my friends call me and (b) i no longer wanted to be associated with an internet moniker i came up with when i was 14 years old (with a penchant for spouting immature babble...) and don't let negative comments about you affect your desire to make stuff. it's pointless, unless the only reason you make stuff is to impress others. and that may sound a bit rich from me given my spectacular tantrum and subsequent storming out of func_ in this very thread back around 2004, but think of it as learned advice... You are right about many things rj, I agree!
Just hope some guys keep the mouth shut, I made a simple post and Spirit and sleepsomething troll about it... Is this about speedmapping or nicks? I have very little time in my life, because of real life but I'm up for a speedmap because I LOVE THIS FUCKING GAME, and some people in here... ok, I will make the pack and upload I don't want to force a job or make to much trouble to anyone.
who wants to cock something just sent me to trinquinha@gmail.com This is a community that greatly benefits from nicknames since we are people talking with eachother.
My "screw you" was simply a reply to telling people to send me stuff that would make me have to package something without even having asked me if I wanted to. PS: SleepwalkR is the Qrinch. :( After all the racist & homophobic diatribes? And I'm the "Qrinch"? Mabe you guys should have your long term memories checked. But hey, I guess he'll call us all fags and nigger lovers and rage quit a bit sooner this time ;-).
SleepwalkR what have personal(didn't change then) opinions about mapping?
stop trolling you this time! I think is time to quit all of this no? if we're being honest here, you are an unbelievably harsh racist and bigot.
you might seem worse than you are due to the 'lost in translation' effect, but i think sleepwalkr pegged you pretty accurately there. and yeah, the anonymous posting is annoying and obnoxious. for someone who throws insults around so freely, it's a curiosity that you yourself have such thin skin. i've usually ignored and overlooked most of the crass things you've posted because-- hey, this is the internet after all. you seem to be searching for something on this board, and it's not something this board will give you. just post for the fun of it and stop expecting anything. you'll always be pleasantly surprised then. It reminds me of "band problems" - when you get in a band, you often have massive disagreements with other band members but the whole thing tends to be dictated by music. If you like a persons music, and you enjoy playing music with them then you can just argue and argue and argue al,of the rest of the time, but ultimately you stay "together" for the music.
The amusing part is that you can always tell Trinca's posts. His wording is unmistakable. So it kinda doesn't matter if he puts his name in or not. What a rebel. Other people get annoyed sometimes because it seems like he is being a drama queen or something..... I agree with necros on most things he said. I wouldn't have said that I find Trinca to be particularly harsh though.
forget the speedmap event, I will play some QW that have less dick heads... got some REAL friends in there, lots of then leave near me in Lisbon.
Quake will die for sure thanks to people like SleepwalkR enjoy your stupid life asshole... I will still come here just to piss you off and to see good friends like Ricky, ijed, JPl and others that don't have a twisted mind like some in here! with generous and equivocal malice for everyone. Hope this clears up any remaining confusion.
lots of then leave near me in Lisbon I bet they do. I wanted to get something done before the weekend finished :)
Heavy combat map. Pretty hard, I threw some powerups in for easy and normal but without too much thought, so I won't begrudge anyone who uses god mode or something ***Requires Quoth!*** (and probably a limit lifting engine due to monster zergs) http://www.filefront.com/17322749/zqfsm01.bsp/ I'm working on a 50 brush map too which I will send to both Spirit and negke just to be doubly safe.
meh I've got a few ideas, I'll throw something else together. Perhaps a bit more interesting in pure brush work I dunno :E
now. 24 brushes. But im gonna need another 6 to seal it, so really its 30 brushes.
I'm on track with 47 brushes, but if bumping the limit or not including triggers / sky / whatever gets more maps in the pack then that's fine by me.
i'm kind of curious to see what you've made now. :)
i remember not really enjoying doing a 100b map. 50b seems like the same as 100b except someone punches you in the face repeatedly. :P especially in speedmap form.
I'm very interested in seeing what you guys do with this - I have a feeling I'd really struggle with this theme. It was tricky to work with 50 brushes and not just make a bunch of boxes. Sounds like there will be a good number of maps; I'm looking forward to seeing what everyone else did!
I also sent you some of my holiday photos, and invitation to facebook, a chain email and a picture of a cute puppy.
neither one wants to load em up into a pack, I could. (Is the quaketastic pw still ilovetheshubhub?)
But okay, seeing that I've received most of your stuff already, I can pack it up just like the old days, even though I'm not going to make a map myself. Mind you it's really no different than if any of you did it (Quaketastic and newspost), for the SMQ site is gone and I don't have access to Quaddicted.
The maps will have to be renamed to sn161_yourname. And while not required as this isn't a contest, it probably still wouldn't hurt to include the map file as well, so people could verify the maps stay below the brush limit. And in the case of Zwiffle, including a bsp wouldn't hurt, either!!! (enable file extensions in your OS, ffs). Make sure I have all maps by Friday night CET. dont know where - spirit, you got one, and negke - your gmx mail (dunno if that's still your email) - er, test if you can be bothered please :)
"But okay, seeing that I've received most of your stuff already..."
Think that means the email is the right one :E Hm, if you can wait a bit I will try to finish mine until today 18:00 CET. If I don't finish until then, I will scrap it.
Wasted so much time playing with lighting and then the amazing q1rad. "remake of the doom maps? anyone?"
I'd be interested in throwing something like that together over a week or something... I enjoyed that last round of speed maps :) A lot of Doom maps are pretty sprawling, but Thy Flesh Consumed and Final Doom have quite a good line in more compact and intricate layouts. Now I have to replay Ultimate Doom, Doom 2,and Final Doom to remember which map is my favorite. Crap >:(
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=60469
I will talk with Tiddles(DM Mapper) he have some nice dm maps to play with! some one then are real nice to work with... anyone up? doom map remake, I'd be down as well
slight problem is how to replace monsters - the doom monsters are pretty different from the Quake lineup, so I guess we'd simply place Quake monsters around the layout as good as we can. Shall we have rules to mimic DOOM (max 3 textures per "sidedef", no deep water, no room over room, vertical doors or the like)? I don't think it's too hard to convert monsters if you think about the functions they perform.
Grunt: shotgun guy Enforcer: Chaingunner Scrag: Cacodemon Ogre: Revenant Fiend/Knight: Pinkie demons Death Knight: Hell Knight Vore: Baron of Hell Shambler: Archvile Something like that :p If you adjusted scales the extra speed of Quake's monsters wouldn't be too much of a problem. I dont know about remaking a perticular map myself, but I would enjoy making a doodle. Deadline?
To do a remake, I would have to start thinking. I don't feel like thinking atm.
I have some ideas for a Doomish doodle though I wouldn't necessarily use DOOM textures. for me still a speedmap :k my time is so short... but I will make one if deadline is something like 01-11-2010
I failed too :(
Also very busy. I have a problem in that I try too do to many things then fail to do half of them...... no, I'm having some issues in Quark :\ dont like my ATI 850 much :(
when I mapped at work all worked fine... at home :( cant see range of lights and the lines of a single brush in 3D :| Inspired by this recently released map as well as others, I propose a CITY/realism themed-chainmapping event.
Something involving dark, cramped alleys and filthy backyards, old storage buildings and abandoned tenements. Possibly even some sewers beneath. Think Kingppin. Not so much big and open suburbs obviously (remember VIS and Quake's style). A canal might work. This should be kind of easy to make (boxy design is probably even desired here) and, most importantly, possible to join without too much additional effort or reconstruction if done right. I would volunteer to merge the maps, fix stuff and add gameplay if necessary. But of course this could also be done by several people, each one producing his own chainmap from the sources. Texture wise, I'd say the stock ones are good, many bricks, a variety of metal and some windows. Kingpin would work, too, but it might also make it more complicated as those textures seem to demand greater attention to detail. This would be a nice thing for a weekend. A couple of hours, maybe a day for each map. No turtlemap-grade stuff. Anyone interested in such a project? Hmm, not too thrilled with the theme. Normally I'd be down but that just seems boring to me. Sorry bro.
achieved by using quoth (or you could use id progs somehow). Attempting to achieve the L4D gameplay mechanic by creating a sandbox which can only be entered (by monsters) from points which are too high up for the player to jump (without trickjumping that is).
i.e. set up a sequence of func_hordespawns which are triggered by a sequence of trigger_relays, and the exit is only accessible once the player (s) have killed the last wave. Which isn't much like L4D actually, but its kinda close. Lol - remember Quonqer? don't forget the exquisite city themed episode that Negke released a while ago, for reference and inspiration
Just played quake city and from hell. I like the theme, and it hasn't been explored much.
Here's some Lovecraft, Pickman's Model: " When we did turn, it was to climb through the deserted length of the oldest and dirtiest alley I ever saw in my life, with crumbling-looking gables, broken small-paned windows, and archaic chimneys that stood out half-disintegrated against the moonlit sky. I don't believe there were three houses in sight that hadn't been standing in Cotton Mather's time -- certainly I glimpsed at least two with an overhang, and once I thought I saw a peaked roof-line of the almost forgotten pre-gambrel type, though antiquarians tell us there are none left in Boston. From that alley, which had a dim light, we turned to the left into an equally silent and still narrower alley with no light at all: and in a minute made what I think was an obtuse-angled bend towards the right in the dark. Not long after this Pickman produced a flashlight and revealed an antediluvian ten-panelled door that looked damnably worm-eaten. Unlocking it, he ushered me into a barren hallway with what was once splendid dark-oak panelling -- simple, of course, but thrillingly suggestive of the times of Andros and Phipps and the Witchcraft. Then he took me through a door on the left, lighted an oil lamp, and told me to make myself at home." BTW, timfixed.wad from Arcade Quake has some extra city textures that might be useful.
Ikbase.wad works well with the regular Quake brick textures, too. Are there any proportions we should adhere to? A door is x units tall or an alleyway is x units wide? I found this on quaddicted, it's a pretty cool set:
http://www.quaddicted.com/wads/ik2k.zip The readme calls it "Doom that came to Dunwich". They were converted from Q3 and have a more realistic feel than quake's city textures, but I've never seen them used in Q1 before. always uses textures to great effect.
But yeah, very nice set - agree that it could work with a city locale. Although I think a RUBICON 2 themed SM event would be even better/simpler/more of the moment! Although I think a RUBICON 2 themed SM event would be even better/simpler/more of the moment!
Rubicondom 2!!! pack of 3?
I like (though haven't ever contributed to) chainmaps. I would do that. or a regular standalone deal. got to get WC reinstalled first though I guess! Would anyone else want to do this? I was thinking it could be ID1, but that would be pretty awesome!
Sorry, guess I should have waited/asked! still pretty tentative anyway - when was the last SM pack? I still have my speedmap from last time, when no one else managed to finish theirs, so I can toss that in. Its theme is DOOM but who needs a theme, right.
I meant the "fat and adorable, with claws" part. Everything is fine - it was a joke anyway. I'll try to get something done as well. Send your maps to me, but keep in mind that if Zwiffle fails to submit one, they'll all be deleted.
who made that map with the giant rat in it... was it you neg? it'd be cool to make a giant cat map where you go inside the cat and fight monsters.
like... you were shrunk down and you have to fight off a disease that's afflicting your poor cat. Yes, my sm100 turtle.
Thinking about the mock theme, I imagined a map where you would see a wild shambler in a skip cage and then seemingly shrink and fight fiend-flees in his fur. I won't be joining, but I'm looking forward to playing!
wish there'd been an SM event during the interlude when CZG was back... necros: Errr, right... ;)
Thanks, Zwiffle. I made one, too (got carried away a bit, again). Please send me yours as well, gb. Its half past 5pm now, im gonna walk the dog for an hour, then eat, then ill do a three hour speedmap. Then I'll email it to negke.
Hopefully that will get me warmed up to map this week, cause i've taken the week off from work. You were just a moment too late. But, by all means, don't let this keep you from doing the map anyway. For the next pack or, if it turns out promising, possibly even expanded into a turtlemap (unless it's base).
This got a bit out of hand - ill prob finish it at some point and release it as more of a TM.
Another speed map this weekend anyone? Are we starting the city map project by any chance? Any theme?
Ok, why not. I was somewhat toying with the idea of giving ikblue a try...
Not sure about the city project as distrans has a very promising Kingpin city map in the works (though temporarily on hold atm) for which I wouldn't want to spoil his motivation. On the other hand, both projects might even benefit from each other? Ideally someone (you) would take initiative by grabbing my source and just expanding it so as to force progress. grabbing my source and just expanding it so as to force progress
k. :D spent an hour or so? on this and just added a few buildings (with one building interior), a train engine + tracks (which...i dunno, if it could be turned into an actual moving one or not as part of gameplay). http://necros.quaddicted.com/temp/func_city_04-13-11.zip i have included kp_sky.wad which is the sky neg used in his original speed map but wasn't included in kp_full.wad. i've also used the slime texture from quake.wad (once...) but i figure having quake.wad alongside kp_full.wad is a good idea as it gives you a big selection of liquids, animated buttons and key icons. still, i think, if anyone does decide to add on to this, try to keep it to just those things and not any of the regular quake textures. i've also included common.wad which just has all the clip, trigger, skip, etc textures. for obvious reasons, kp_full.wad and quake.wad are not included. nab those off quaddicted.com/wads. also, please update the date in the filename so it's easy to tell which file is newer without having to resort to timestamps which aren't all that reliable. Though you made the exit of the tunnel too narrow for a (the) car to fit through. :D
As for a moving train, it could act as an environmental hazard or as an actual means to travel between parts of the map. ok, how bout you just post that you are going to work on the map.
then you've got a day before your time expires and you have to re-upload the map. if no one has 'reserved' the map in a day, it's free to take and work on it. just don't take longer than a day. even if you only added 5 brushes. how does that sound? we can keep a queue going, so right now it's just zwiffle. if he does nothing today, it would be whoever was next in line sort of thing. A day seems fine to me. The lower the time allowed the faster it will rotate hands and the more people get to work on it, see what's been changed, etc.
Any upper limit on when to call it done? # brushes, over all size, # enemies, etc? One day should be enough of a limit - you probably can't add that many brushes in that time. No limits, just be reasonable and try to imagine the bigger picture. Or something.
i think he meant like, when to call the map finished?
i'd say, assuming it's not completely wide open to the void or whatever, whenever people stop wanting to add to it? that's of course assuming this project doesn't garner much interest. if for some odd reason there's a lot of people suddenly helping out, we'll probably have to just discuss it here or something... i think the overall goal per session with the thing though, shouldn't be to finish your own areas, i figure, the more you leave open for the next guy, the better off it is. finish off someone else's area, so that it's truly multiuser work. god... i wish we could get like a coop editor. that'd be fucking insane. like, it's radiant or WC or whatever, but you're mapping on a server. (not mapping in the engine like cube or minecraft). fuck. i wish i could program! How would that even work? Can you delete other peoples' brushes? Or just your own? How would ctrl+z work? Serial may be best for mapping, multi user mapping seems neat, but could be a huge head ache in the long run.
i imagine it'd function like minecraft. no undo, and yeah, you'd totally be able to grief other mappers.
of course, i'm a nice person and just assume that'd never happen. :P anyway, just wishing out loud, really. Yeah I probably won't be able to get to it until Friday night at the earliest - I got stuck trying to solve some problems with kp_full.wad refusing to load and won't be able to work on it tonight.
if that's okay with you Zwiffle?
This is a great idea.. there's pressure to work since you only have a day, and have to announce it here. It should be interesting to see what happens with it! so what's happening today? ericw, have you uploaded your changes somewhere yet? and zwiffle, are you still planning to have a go at it today?
But I added a few little details. I put in a fuse box which you have to use to turn on the basement lights. Also added some background buildings, and started a bit of underground tunnel.
necros: those transparent windows look sweet! These kingpin textures are really impressive. http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/misc/func_city_04-15-11.zip underground area looks like it could be cool. maybe the slime in my section should be replaced with water so you can swim around or something.
also, i'm planning on trying to build some stuff seperate and then i'll nab the map next week and paste the additions in and poke it into place. just throwing that out there... if anyone wants to try that too. that way you don't feel pressured to do something when you get the map, you can just reserve it when you feel comfortable to add something in. just trying to keep options open. i think a lot of it is down to being respectful of other's stuff but at the same time, i don't think every brush should be treated like it's glued into place.
let's put it this way-- the more brushes are in an area, the less it should change. if it's an empty building then feel free to move it around or whatever. if it's a room that's done, with doors, lights, etc etc, then add to it, or modify it slightly. mapper discretion, really. a rough example, take negke's original map. don't delete the core parts, but moving or deleting the outer wall is ok if you were to expand it. but deleting one of the two buildings in the center to replace it with your own would be not cool. dunno if any of that helps. if all else fails: don't be a dick! :D maybe it would be better to be super strict about this?
"don't delete or change anything unless you originally put it there" ? I think your second last post sounds good, necros.
With sections like negke's which are more or less completed ideas, it makes sense to stick to making smaller changes - maybe changing where you enter/exit the area, tweaking details or weapons/monsters to balance the level. The only changes I made there were putting a different texture on the old exit door and stacking some boxes in front of it. on the other hand, when you have areas that are only sketched out, I think a lot of the fun will be seeing how other people interpret and finish them. btw: necros, you built the initial new area in an hour 0_0? Man, that's crazy! It looks really great. I spent 3-4 hours on the few little details I added. what editor are you using? i prefer the first method too. things will change as the map grows and adhering to strict rules will just get in the way.
besides, we're not assholes here (heh...) and if someone does do something dumb, we can just skip it. :P it may have been a little longer than an hour, i wasn't keeping track or anything. neg's initial map is pretty inspiring. i'm using sikkpin's qe3 (which is based off the original qeradiant code. similar in many ways to gtkr1.4. Keep in mind my map is supposed to be a backyard or back alley with a garages (one anyway) and garbarge dumbsters (imaginary). So the architecture behind the exit gates should be wide enough that a car fits through, a path to connect to a road nearby somewhere. This is what I would change first in necros' part.
so what's the status today? did you make any changes zwiffle? or should i work off of eric's version?
No I totally forgot with all the Portal 2 Potato Sack scam thing over the weekend. Sorry! I got swept up in Portal 2 20-minutes-early fever =/
With QExpo 11 on the way, I was thinking of doing a weekly turtle map event with the goal of releasing very quick Quake episodes for the QExpo. I don't know how feasible that is or who all is interested - it is a lot of work with not a lot of time. Not counting this week (starting this upcoming Saturday) we'll have 8 weeks until QExpo on June 19th. So of course the maps don't have to be full, normal releases, but a nice bunch of map packs sounds feasible.
Who all is interested? in doing a kind of speedmap episode.
definitely not TM quality. I'll have something for qexpo, I think, anyway so I could map quickly (instead of learning Radiant), and have been messing with the Rubicon2 set - I don't know if I can make a speedmap with this, I get too caught up in details like, immediately!
This sounds intriguing. Doesn't have to be "a couple" of episodes, one would be good already. Basically a speedmap pack with interlinked maps and a bit more polish than usual.
Drew: Indeed. Tbh, it would have been surprising if nobody had come up with the idea before. Seems like it didn't work out, though. Speaking of which, what's the status of the city map - did anyone continue working on it? Or did Zwiffle's clochard francais attitude thwart it? French tramp attitude?
I never really touched the map, I basically skipped my turn when the Portal 2 ARG happened and forgot about it, so I figured Necros was working on it. Also, I think I'm going to do a slower turtle map thing, since there are 8 weeks I figure 2 weeks per map can come up with a nice 4 map episode, seems more doable imo. Seems doable, yes. But how likely is it that you (or any participant) will actually keep working on the maps at a steady-enough pace etc. Planning ahead for four maps sounds quite ambitious and may eventually go over one's head (feel like work maybe). Unless you're really talking about slightly more refined speedmaps.
Pretty much just slightly more extravagant speedmaps, yeah. I would skimp on details and refinement for the sake of quantity up to a point, but otherwise they would be bigger, badder speedmaps more or less, with plenty of flaws.
Alright. Though I suggest aiming for three maps then and spending time for the fourth on detailing and minimizing the flaws. Skill settings, too. And if a few other people did at least one map, a small episode should be realistic.
Would help a lot as well if anyone wants to sign up for testing these maps. 3 maps + skill levels would be tough to fine tune without testers!
totally haven't touched that thing since zwiffle weekend.
been swept up in my own stuff this last week or so. finishing up maps for release and just couldn't work up any excitement over the city map. :P ...given my total lack of mapping feats, this may be the only thing I can contribute to the expo...
I once made a speedmap with metal textures and zombies (with a "zombie ride"). Does anyone remember which pack it was? I kinda want to build upon that map.
You just made a damn good argument pro multiple screenshots per entry. Also having all authors in the author field.
not: sm111_spirit.bsp sm127_spirit.bsp sm130_spirit.bsp sm131_spirit.bsp sm134_spirit.bsp sm139_spirit.bsp sm140_spirit.bsp sm142_spirit.bsp sm144_spirit.bsp sm146_spirit.bsp sm147_spirit.bsp sm150_spirit.bsp sm151_spirit.bsp sm152_spirit.bsp sm161_spirit.bsp sm162_spirit.bsp smqe08d_spirit.bsp (half of those were never finished or released) sm148!
http://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/sm148_pack.html Also I realised that I made some find speedmaps. :-) a few months before I was planning on buying a new one. too bad as well, I'd whipped up a little kingpin themed underground dive-bar to potentially insert into func_city(with mandatory shotgun under the bar)...
Will definitely participate and create a map or three once I get a new setup going, to be interlinked with those of other authors, or to function as a little mini-episode on their own ala RPG. also, I'd be happy to test. that the kingpin one neg was talking about? cause that'd be quite sweet. really in the mood for urban stuff atm. :)
hi all, latelly been mapping some minutes a day and made a small map that is almost ready(it suck's but for a speedmap is ok) I'm very rusty :\ if anyone can make anything could be a small speedmap event? deadline sunday 5 june?
You could make a mini episode like Zwif suggested, Trinca!
Also, might be better to start collecting now but push the date back so we have a bigger pack for Qexpo There will be a speedmapping event during Qexpo. Hopefully with as many people from here as possible (so save your energy if it only suffices for one map per year or something). Ideas about a possible theme? Ideally something related to the 15th anniversary. Perhaps simply a vague "15".
There have been several tribute themes before. However, it may be good in the context of this QX, and likely a more inviting theme for newer/non-func mappers. Will keep it in mind.
how about something that shows off how far the game has come in those 15 years.
Instead of something that looks and plays like 1999 again. this required more time for sure :|
And time is always a problem, if we use quoth there are a lot of good stuff "Instead of something that looks and plays like 1999 again."
Who said they had to look and play exactly like them? :E I'm actually going to be out of town during Qx11 =/ So if I get my map done before then, I would prefer something smaller that I can get done before I go out of town. I like the 180 brush theme, probably a bit too many brushes for a speedmap (unless you're negke.)
Of course, if you prefer creating each brush individually....
What's the status of your semi-speed project, Zwiffle? Are you going to throw your recent metal layout into the bunch as well? Participants make 2 or more linked maps. People contributing only one can maybe make quick changes and band together to make an episode? Might screw gameplay up though...
...and then getting lost in the details :)
I will definitely submit something, though! I look forward to it :D what name to give maps? sm164_?
What was the last time and whose e-mail to send my maps? yeah, amazing.
I say no theme. Just episodes, or maybe if you're planning on doing a single map talk with some others so they could be linked up? What do you guys think about that aspect of the idea? Would it just be a giant pain in the ass? thanks for comments.
I started single map for sm164. I think it is difficult to make 2 good maps for such a short time. And agree on a link, too, not simple. At least for me... :) Maybe it would be better to come up with a theme and create a single map for QExpo? Digs sent me his map. You others, go make one and submit it by sunday night. Feel free to follow any of the recently suggested themes.
mine is almost ready :)
should I keeo it to qexpo... in case I will not have time? or sent it over? :p I won't pack it up until Monday morning though. So it's actually Sunday night in your time zone.
didn't finish mine :( kids don't let me... but at least I will have 100% of possibility to have a map at qexpo :p
not really a speedmap though, spent a few hours on it... kind of inspired by neg's mappi.
but I like it, and I'd like to either make it into a turtle, or just the start of my SM pack - I have a little idea for a simple 3 map episode.
Right now.
The reason why I mentioned a favourite album theme was because I always map with music, and which album tends to colour what I put together. So I spose it's more of a mapping litmus test than anything. The reason why I mentioned a favourite album theme was because I always map with music, and which album tends to colour what I put together.
man, i do this too! when i replayed my maps years later, i found myself humming the tunes i listened to when making the map. it was very eerie. like there was a definite connection in my head between the map and the song. I started making a map for QExpo
Still have digs06, but I have probably not have time for the anniversary, so concentrate all forces on the first map Music: Yeah, totally. I can remember certain music/albums, too. At least for some levels. Heh, the name of my vertical map reflects best what kind of stuff I listened to when making it (hint: not the band).
digs: Cool. Even if you don't manage to finish it, be sure to post screenshots of your WIP maps at QExpo. have the title of the song I was listening to when I finished them as their title.
http://expo2011.quakewiki.net/view.php?id=96
I wrote "15 years tribute" as a vague generic theme for the lack of a better idea. Make anything you want. It's somewhat unfortunate that QExpo runs from Sunday to Saturday, not a full weekend. So the deadline is 23 June 12:00 GMT. Name your maps smqx11_name.bsp. you have to be logged in to see that page, btw.
also, i am able to edit that page when logged in. o.0 sad about the recent bullshit, but whatever.
I combined the three sessions into one map, with 3 distinct areas... If anyone has a map in which you just get a nailgun and super shotgun, feel free to link to smqx11_drew, and does anyone want to make an ID1 BOSS type of map, with every weapon except the RL? If so I'll link mine to yours! compiling now and then zipping, then heading to work. I linked to smqx11_trinca.
Also, mine will just be smqx11_drew now if anyone wants to link to it. if you only have dbl shot, nailgun in it!
Glad you made it out btw this is for zwiffle i enjoyed his map very much it was hard thx for the fun
nice designs me likey http://hahasweet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/zwiffq11.zip I might be able to participate, I beat two games this week so I'm able to relax a little and get some mappy time in.
Digs map is worth it.
Also, I might be able to make it, if a later deadline is worked out. This week is too crazy, but I can probably find a night to do it next week 1. Striped or plaid world
2. tron-style 3. Antiremake: to make a map, a layout which would have guessed any known map 4. Jumping: map, which has always somewhere to jump 5. I dabbled in quite a long time such a thing: I've been doing for Ogre burst missile 1000 damage. This meant that at the time of the explosion you see a blank, then you will break no matter the distance at which you're away. The same goes for monsters. The theme: to make this mod. Ogre will be the central figure 6. unthemed 7. unthemed 8. unthemed 9. unthemed 10. unthemed I prefer to make a map that take less efford... like 50 or 100 brushes...hehehe
:) Time is not my friend anymore... since I change computer to VDI at work :( quark runs really really slow :( and at home no way... not time for it! Everytime I try to make something at home... there is always something to do, kids and wife don't give me much time... and when I got some I'm wasted to make anything!!!
but 50 brushes is easy :p 23:18:31 | <@Vondur> i'm going out of civilisation for the next 4 days, so keep this vault cool and not be a nazi
23:18:52 | <@negke> hf. don't kill anyone 23:19:12 | <@Vondur> i'll try 23:20:03 | <@negke> Zwiffle: let's make speedmaps for his return 23:20:13 | <@Vondur> would be a blast 23:21:12 | <@Vondur> what could be better for the person that was suffering vodka injections 4 days non stop and returning to his sweeth ome and discovering new speedmap on func_ 23:21:40 | <@Vondur> but i bet Zwiffle will ruin everything Vondur's Vodka Adventure. For the datcha on his iceberg is an olive on crushed ice in a sea of Russian Standard.
That theme suggestion was a joke of course. But has anyone actually made a map or is still going to? Just checking to see if I should wait for you or pop out the two maps I have.
Just waiting for Zwiffle to submit his map. But feel free to do a map next weekend, maybe others will join in then, including me.
Origami
Desert Half-Life Mountain Indiana Jones Cliffside Graveyard Western Inverted Cathedral/Castle Necropolis on the moon Elderworld themepark Shrimp Pinhata Shamblair Witch Project Unthemed I'd like to do some speed mapping, (I'm busy for the next few days though so give it a week or so :P). here are some suggestions for a theme
Islands Bridges Wooden Construction Modern Architecture So, how about a "Let's try Trenchboom" session this weekend? 1 hour to get into it, another hour to map or something like that. So 2 hours spent as you like. Theme "Oh my god, it's all 3D!". Not even negke may spent more time on it and if his map is polished he will be disqualified. Seriously, speedmaps are
Anyone interested? I might install need to install Windows for this... :P I've started messing around with an idbase theme (actually I've started remaking Deck 16 from UT for a bit of fun/practice)...
This editor is crazy. I've been tinkering all day with my level, if by speed mapping you mean done in less than a week then maybe. 2 hours isn't going to be enough time for my slow ass.
This is probably a couple of features away from being the perfect map editor (better texture alignment and some kind of curve making tool). I dunno what to do about the alignment though, it's really skewed on diagonally rotated brushes. An hour is not enough indeed. Also it is quite hard to get into the editor for me.
Speedmapping was originally 100 minutes and I always thought that was great. But of course you need to know your editor to do something nice in that time. I'll try to make something in 100 minutes. Got some ideas in my head. I wonder how working with func_s turns out. :D but i dont check up on this site that regular nor do i hang out on IRC a lot, so if the ever wil be another speedmap session pls drop me a mail (verorbeb@hotmail.com).
Especialy since the well seems to dry up a bit lately and i (still) have an everlasting appetite for maps to run :) (and map quality is quite often completly indifferent to wether its fun to run or not) I'm writing papers and so obviously I'm feeling inspired to procrastinate by mapping. Next Sunday?
having ran 'speedmapping events' long long ago... I honestly think it's just easier and more open the everyone to just pick a theme on Friday, post it, and have everyone post their map during the week, or maybe just have someone collect them from people to release a pack on the next Friday.
It's more convenient for people's lives to just let everyone be their own judge of time. And as long as people take to heart the '100 minutes... within reason' rule, it's not like we need to sit around together in IRC or anything trying to get stuff together. Hell, why even bother with a '100 minute' rule, just post a theme, and as long as the map is released before the next week's theme is up... it's still a 'speedmap', just a different flavor. yeah I wasn't gonna do the IRC thing. I'd rather not organize, but I can if nobody else wants to. Just let me know.
I think the speedmap should run either over the course of a weekend (fri-sun/mon) or fri-thurs/fri.
The theme should be the only restriction really. It doesn't have to be every week either, maybe once a month? Also, I wish Quaddicted had pictures to accompany all the speed maps. I thought you took the pictures! :D
It would be cool though to see maybe like a split picture showing off various maps. If I get bored enough.. maybe ;) that's mostly my fault - sorry Spirit! I started working on that a long time ago but dropped off as real life became a thing (EG going to school full time, working part time, raising a fresh baby when not doing those things).
anyways, I'm probably going to do my speedmap in the next couple of days, because after that I'll be legitimately too busy to do shit besides school work (tis the season). No pressure on you guys, obviously -- more time would probably result in more contributions, which is better for everyone. I always tried to passive aggressively not take them so negke does. He always chooses nicer locations too. the majority should be his work actually :)
Right now there can only be one screenshot per entry which would suck for speedmaps. I cannot be arsed to add some functionality without the need though. no idea how to nicely handle multiple shots per page (javascript is a nono). Drew, no worries! I didn't take screenshots for the speedmapping packs, because 1) too much work (160+ packs), 2) only one shot per page allowed (and merging several into one = even more work), 3) not worth it (I don't consider them proper maps like the other releases, and people who have a genuine interest in them can likely do without screenshots, anyway).
I actually tried to initiate an impromptu classic speedmapping session yesterday on irc. Bunch of small tribute-themed deathmatch levels which we then were to play on Sleepy's QW server afterwards. Didn't happen, though. Scampie and than are to blame and will have to make up for it by submitting maps for the next pack! ;)
I had to do reality things yesterday :(
(again why I say just picking a theme for the week and letting people map as they have time is best) are from the horrific "Aftershock for Quake" pack...
I used to play that a bit when it came out (and I was a lot younger), but I reinstalled it late last year to see if it was still good. It wasn't. What I think would work is to announce a list of restrictions for the week.
Like: A) Use only knave.wad B) No grunts, no knights C) Must include a quad Stuff like that, you know? Then you have a week to build something that fits the requirements. Scampie and I are to blame? You should have come up with a more inspiring theme! It's your fault :P
I like the idea of having a list of restrictions that are announced for the week's speed mapping event. A week is a long time if you are single and unemployed or a student, but when you are working or have a family, it's not *that* long. Especially now there are less people involved in the Q1 mapping scene, and we're just as distributed as we ever were, having no strict time and allowing maps to be made with whatever time you happen to have during the week is good I think. A) only use ID1 wad
B) mix base and medieval/metal/wizard design elements and or monsters C) include a quad seems good to me! How does that sound? Watch me not follow any of those hahaha and when? lets fix a date.... monday the 22nd? or sooner - whatever works best... and gets the most attendees, i guess...
Alternatively we can use willem's restrictions, or others somebody wants to compose
just let us know I think.
id1 and knave are a little obvious... Would be awesome to see something very underused, like DKT3 or kingpin... That would be fine with me. Could someone upload a wc 3.3 version for me. I have had no luck converting textures.
Also open to alternatives depending n what people prefer. http://www45.zippyshare.com/v/56968741/file.html
Hopefully that should work, I used to us WC3.3 a lot before TB came out. I second that. I prefer those. I was already thinking of using some WITH the fury textures
It's always the same, lots of suggestions but no real decision and eventually no one maps at all. The successful phases of speedmapping in the past went down because someone took the lead and made clear announcements. Not "hey, let's" or "what about", but SM169 - theme: make a map using at least two textures from Knave, DKTe3, Rubicon2 and Fury. Send it in by Monday morning. Bam!
Ok, I have made a screenshot of one of the speedmap packs for you -
http://s9.postimg.org/hrv0nlmof/smqx11.jpg for - http://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/smqx11_pack.html I can make more of these if you wish, I can't send you pictures though cause I can't find your email address anywhere. :P You could correctly guess Spirits email. Trust me. First logical thing to spring to mind is it.
Who else is in?
Mine is built but needs to be lit, will be sorting that Monday. Rule recap; Rubicon textures Must include a quad Deadline Monday They can be sent to me if nobody else wants the job. this was going to happen... doubt I could make anything worth playing in just 2 days. To be honest though I'm not a fan of the rubicon set (yeah I know that's probably going to get me killed around here)
And it's fun to just throw stuff together :)
I'm not that big on the speedmapping, but it seems to be about trying stuff out and having fun mapping for a short while. It doesn't need to be awesome or perfect, just done. I've scratched up a little something...
I really can't guarantee completion by Monday. It might be garbage TBH. And real life is being an asshole. But I,ll try to find a few hours to work on something. Fifth don't be like that, there really isn't super high expectations and it really isn't a competition. We know you can make good maps, just have fun with t.
If you do too much work you get accused of 'Turtle-mapping'.
it's completely from scratch. Besides, I thought a turtle map was a map made in a week?
I could make it suck if you want, it doesn't look bad to me.. I also think that by Monday it very quickly. You can not do anything good
ps. Ribicon 2 is "jf2.wad" ? we used to make these maps in 100 minutes. Sometimes they didn't even have lights in them.
"Sometimes they didn't even have lights in them."
I could spend 100 minutes deliberating over a cube... ;) Nah I'm doing some serious copy/paste action here. I looked at this thread again, forgot that the map needs to have a quad in it. I think I know where I throw it.
made a hyperdetailed start area that I haven't gotten around to lighting.
Will give it a second treatment tomorrow. I give up, I really can't get it to compile properly and I can't get the collision to work on the terrain. Here's what I had though -
http://s15.postimg.org/692dpwnaz/speedmap1.jpg http://s22.postimg.org/et56wdav5/speedmap2.jpg And the http://depositfiles.com/files/sgiknj9nk Maybe some of it will be useful to someone. The idea was that you get the silver and gold keys and then take a joyous elevator to hell... The elevator isn't done at all but the rest of the level is done. Time!
I can't do anything with mine until Monday anyway - so it might well not be lit ;) Load this map at your own risk, wear safetygear dont have two eyes open at once and send away wife and kids to a safeplace
http://members.upc.nl/verorber/sm169_orbs.rar https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/103186490/sm169_scampie.zip
roughly 100min map, it sucks CHANGELEVEL TARGETS SM169_NEGKE YOU BETTER MAKE A MAP NEGKE Obviously I'm waiting for Negke's map.
It's been a pretty healthy turnout this time - 7 maps and counting (Orbs made two). You're not seriously including my map in this are you? There isn't and exit, the collision on the terrain doesn't work properly... I mean it looks ok but it's broken!
I can take it out if you prefer, but speedmaps aren't supposed to be finished.
Do you want me to remove it? Turtle it instead. It'd be nice to add some detail to mine and even the Rubicon enemies... but maybe I'll save that for a later project.
So, the pack is ready unless anyone else is finishing one - ? Fifth Elephant - ? I'll make one! Give me till 6:10pm GMT.
Fifth - don't be daft, that's what speedmapping is all about! :) Or just put an exit in and re-submit. I may come back to it, but I have a bunch of other maps that will be taking precedence. It was a fun little experiment (and it taught me that I can map quite quickly if I set my mind to it, even if I did create about a million holes and two dozen misshapen brushes in the process)
a chain map btw... 1 week for the build, a unified theme and then get the whole thing stitched together somehow.
I think if we're giving a week to make the chain sections we'd have to set some more limits or define what would be involved.
Eg focus on smaller areas with more detail? or larger areas with established gameplay scenarios... Than, Xen, who else did gluing? -- any input on that aspect? I'd be interested, obviously, but probably not in the job of gluing... I also like the idea of releasing the chain colmponents and having a number of people taking a crack at gluing, and seeing the ways in which they differ. Vigil has been trying to get people to make Rubicon 2 themed sections for a chain map for months now.
Solution to fitting the single maps together could be XYsize restriction
and defining portals for the other maps to to take over. Like doorsize , thicknessand and position XYZ. in these kinds of speed map things then some crazy person could stick them all together... not saying I'd do it but I'm always a big fan of people including their
I think I'll be doing something in Rubicon2, but a bit bigger than speed/turtle mapping.
Not longer than a month total though. who cares about broken stuff in speedmaps? he/she should play some older packs then...
I liked the 100 minutes rule. And here's the zipfile for anyone who's very impatient: https://www.dropbox.com/s/f3sw5am2rrsa3vr/sm169.zip
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/rickysm169_ijed.zip (for ijed)
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/rickysm169.zip (everyone else, these all had quoth enabled in my game, even though only Drew used it) Mine supports skill settings - you were on normal :)
Also noticed a recurring WC bug with the enforcer orientation at the end. They're supposed to face you and the shambler not, to provoke an infight-endfight. Ah well. Drew - Best looking of the bunch, had secrets as well. Had to do a circuit of the atrium to get the NG when I was on full nail ammo, which felt weird. The end was a surprise, although the quad helped.
FifthElephant - Nice, shame about the collision issues. I liked the crampy labyrinth. A quick fix for the rock pillars would have been making them func_wall, which should have fixed the hull generation. jackfapoff - (No idea if that's your proper name, sorry) Nice, although a step on every tower so the monsters could get out would have been good. Could have done with more ogres or vores sniping the player from up high as well. GTG, more comments later. I made the rock pillars func_walls in one version. Still got bad collision problems. I have found that most collision issues disappear when it compiles without the "reached occupant" error, unfortunately there are so many leaks that I just would never have had time to plug the holes
I didn't like the rubicon set at first but I have to admit it grew on me after I worked with it. Maybe I'll do a proper one in the future. ;) http://members.upc.nl/verorber/sm169.rar
and a demo toget thumbs up,unfortunatly you dotn see that in the demo i forgot that the intermission screen in a demo is not the same while actualy playing,soif you want to get that thumbs up you will still have to beat it on nightmare (on easy the thumb stays down :P) my favorite of the pack was drew's, ijed looked cool to but i could only get it to run in rmq, and that runs awefull for me to awefull to do a double grenadejumpto that goldkey :) hmm
ricky your demo cuts out for me after you die... oh well... Orbs... wow, haha! I walked right into that one! Should I have made the biosuit the secret, instead of the MH? Also, does fog not automatically set in for everyone else in mine? or dont have the portal at the megahealth, it only uses 16 health (without armor) to get it f you woudl have to swim up again it woudl use a lot more + no shortcut
I made a little map yesterday based on stuff discussed on irc, but then derped on a hack and stopped. Turned out the solution was too simple for me to notice. So here it is, basically a Fuck you Scampbler gimmick.
isn't there a teleporter trick which lets you flip the player over? You could complete a level one way up, then get to the end, flip upside down, and then come back along the ceiling!
... you need to flip the map, not the player. Even if the player flips, he is on the floor, walking with the head.
I think you can do that in Unreal by having two rooms with a portal at the top of each... but I don't think you can do it in Quake...
I thought of that recently, and the problem is that the controls are reversed.
You could just flip those as well, bu that's QC work. Zippie used the teleport rotate trick in his level "Stampot" in the first quake 100 brush competition.
I don't think the teleporter trick can flip the player completely. Even if you set the z angle to 180, his view will only be titled by 45 degrees. And changing x and y only messes up the movement.
There's been at least one inverted-themed event: SM132. Sm159_negke, more than inverted world, is invertable world. It's another way to use the idea. It's the fourth option. What trick have you used?
By the way, very impressive map. Sm132_omus is closer to the idea i had for an inverted world, even though only the tower and the passage are inverted. Well, seeing that the idea have already been used, is better to think for another one for the next SMP. Sandbox
Multi-exit map The big tree layout: you begin in the centre and have branches from that. The exit is in the entrance The hole Forest (Earth or alien-like planet) Dig site Underwater Liquid rising Limited entities map Black lights Labyrinth And to make the post bigger, a compiled list of themes posted through this thread: City Beach Islands Bridges Wooden Construction Modern Architecture Origami Desert Half-Life Mountain Indiana Jones Cliffside Graveyard Western Inverted Cathedral/Castle Necropolis on the moon Elderworld theme park Shrimp Pinhata Shamblair Witch Project Cyber Diarrea Economic Crisis Fuck Low Cost Companies Disintegration Black Holes Hole of Blacks (if you are gays) Shamblers Festival Vores Party Ogres Dinner Zombie Flesh Map made around a single texture Teleporter madness Monster free Canyon Terrain Editor map Offworld Site Infested with Nano Base-Building Bots Unspeakable Contraption Planet (the whole planet is one evil contraption, ie Necros' latest map River Styx of Star Fluid Cyclopean Architecture (yes, for like the 3rd time) Drowning, Stabbing, Burning TRON Mapping impotence 80's arcade tribute func_pushable (hipnotic progs) Wild West Extreme temperatures Caught in a slipgate Medieval themed spaceship Otherworldly Color: Azure, Ebon, Rust or Flesh Halls of the Scrag God Prisons of Nix Anti Light Where Ogres Bathe Neo Knave The Tunnels Between the Voids Maybe it is too much information at a time. After looking through 5 years of posts , what i got is that the only thing that works is say a theme and a date, not proposing things. I liked one of the themes Cocerello posted in his list sooo...
THEME: Islands. DUE DATE: The pack will be released Monday May 20th, post it here or email me or whatever before then. 1 week map, 1 day map, 100 minute map... whatever you'd like to do. Alright first idea goes to the bin
-its a lot of work (atleastfor me) -with my experience with the coloseum i made the other week i probably hit some limits with the way i construct buildings with tons of arches -just found out there already is some fort boyard videogame anyway -sun is shining lets go outside! That's the best if you don't have time or motivation. And, who knows, it can get fun later and you regain motivation to expand it. ;)
I'll be waiting to see your amazing works. Okay I'll see if I can get something together. Never done a speedmap before so I have a few questions.
Islands or Island? In other words, at least two? Or is a singular island something allowed? Due Sunday (19th) at Midnight? Or Monday (20th) at noon, or when?? Time limit: Self imposed!?!? hrm, okay. Is the intention to have the map completed in all one chunk of time or just made before the due date? And Rules?: Start from scratch or can I use existing stuff from my ideas.map? Standard progs.dat, standard quake only? Readme file required? Or just a brief description that Spirit will put in an sm170.txt? Oh and http://speedq1.leveldesign.org/ is a dead link. Island or Islands, doesn't matter (themes are not the most strictly enforced things)
Due Monday whenever I wake up and put the pack together. Timelimit is whatever you want. Basically the stance I'm taking is that "Anything under a week counts as 'speedmapping'". The idea is that you should start from scratch. Use standard Quake, or at least a very common mod like Quoth... the pack will only include Speedmapping is just to encourage people to map and try cool things. Not being that strict about all the rules! Timelimit is whatever you want. Basically the stance I'm taking is that "Anything under a week counts as 'speedmapping'".
This is intended so that people can put something together whenever they want and around their schedule. If you have the whole week free and want to spend the whole time making an amazing speedmap, go for it (though, maybe you should just release it as a proper release!), if you want to spend 20 minutes a night for the week, or just 100 minutes on saturday, those are fine too! In the end, the idea is just "GO MAP". http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm170_pack.zip
2 maps, sm170_digs and sm170_scampie negke promised me a map today, but apparently fucked up :_( always a good theme, that one.
Although I'm working a FUCK TON the week before that, so no promises whatsoever. planned a bit longer route & some more secrets but at somepoint the bugs and errors started pouring in and it became a rescue mission. Tried to keep it easy but still somewhat of a not to frustrating challenge. And the secrets are for those who like to up the challenge a bit. (the free void teleport makes one very easy to do cheap, but else some might find the basic challenge to frustrating)
http://members.upc.nl/verorber/sm170_orbs.bsp Orbs I couldn't finish your previous map with the quoth stuff in one run. Had to use save games actually. Did you complete it legitimately in your demo? I'm impressed.
I can get to the third jump pad but the map feels sadistic. You are an amazing player (love watching your demos) but as a designer you just punish players with little reward. I crashed into the first ramp for ages and then I realized I had to jump before the edge which is not how people jump. The second jump is easy because it is just skipping but the third I have no idea. After about 5 minutes of frustration I gave up.
It seems like one has to jump at the point of the arrow. I did not make it up that vertical part with enough speed. http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/sm170_orbs-May-22-2013-223140-SpiritQuaddict.dz (10002 I guess, should play in bengt's glquake).
to make the third jump, you have to do the air control trick where you jump, press the strafe key in the direction you want to turn and then smoothly turn your camera in that direction as well.
if you turn the camera smoothly (but quickly) enough, you preserve all your forward velocity along your new direction. will upload demos later, but as I said in demo, not for me. I am a mediocre player and an absolutely terrible speedrunner trickjumper etc, so not my jam. but thanks for contributing anyway!
If mandel even says its hard (he's a better player then me imo)i geuss i have to make it a bit easier even. Its kind of hard to feel how hard these thigns are to other people becasue of a coupel things:
-I playtest the map a lot while mapping so by the time its finished i already know the standard moves pretty well. - a small difference in skill can make somethign impossible to one, compeltly boring to someone else. -physics challenges might be different on other clients and maybe even still slightly depending on hardware But I'm no tgiving up yet to make a map like this wich can be both and fun and challenging for the whole family:) Mandel im going to pretend i never read that question, I was one of those few in the quake peleton who never doped* and to start cheating when the scene is near dead would be strange. The big Epo era kinda is the same as the highdays of quake1 speedrunning, and i think quite some people visited suspicious doctors:) I tried to run it but I had to use savegames to get a complete demo. Guess one reason may be I didn't even have a bind for that weapon before your map forced me to make one...
I couldn't upload my map for SM170, due to the loose of Internet connection for days. It is OK if i submit it for a subsequent Speedmap Pack?
I'll go now to try those three maps. I'm interested into seeing how much they differ from mine. After watching your demo of your map i couldn't believe what i was seeing. You are a GOD of Quake.
I was recording a DEMO when playing it, but passed on that after the 10th minute of attempts. The map is great and i like challenge, but for me it will probably take me hours to complete. Good thing there is a teleport at the bottom, if it were a instant death fall that would piss many players. Getting to the third ''island'' were easy, but getting to the fourth took me at least 5 minutes. I almost don't know a thing about jumping tricks: i can't use bunny-jumping and i'm bad at rocket/grenade jumping; so i had to find the tricks intuitively. I suppose someone expert at jumping tricks could finish this in less than 10 minutes. only negke sent me a map this week (I didn't get around to one myself)... and it was technically for last week's theme!!!
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm170_negke.zip so... I guess sm171 is now "Bricks", due Mon Jun 3rd. Any 'big' maps submitted late will be included then too. I want to make sure I hit a wide variety of themes. Sometimes they are gameplay themes, sometimes they are style themes... this is a texture theme.
I'll see what happens.
I have something started for BIG but it's pretty gross right now - no lighting etc. I will work on it a bit and see what happens! GF/kid out of town for the week, but I'm working A LOT. http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm171_pack.zip
news will be posted whenever shambler stops being lazy. [15:49] <ShamblR> mr scampie
[15:49] <ShamblR> cockface scampie more like [15:54] <@MrScampie> literally writing the news post now, scum [15:58] <@MrScampie> ShamblR go approve my news YOU FELL ASLEEP 10 MINUTES AFTER INSULTING MRSCAMPIE!? Scampie, could you please continue the good old tradition of adding readme files to the packs? Those include things like the theme. Check any old pack for a template where you can just edit a few lines.
http://members.upc.nl/verorber/sm172_orbs.bsp
It isnt realy finished yet wanted to add some alternative routes and some secrets to make an easy alternative for some of the moves, and even a little more details, but im not sure if i will have any time tomorrow for more mapping http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm172_digs.zip
Required Quoth2. Else "stack overflow" in standart progs.dat You suceeded in making a very annoying map! Discharged a zillion times actualy should write a select shotgun, +attack alias for it but that would be cheating:)
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm172_pack.zip
I started working on mine and then decided it was pretty shit and just gave up... so it's unlit and boring. orbs is right that digs' map was the most annoying thing ever lol. orbs, I just suck at your map. I just failed again time was to short to make it family friendly.Jump one and two are pretty easy, falling through the door is a lot easier then doing it of a boost, but this is just a time penalty doors open after 10 secs.
The third jump is just lined out bad/hard. on max boost you fly over the middle platform,when you try totemper it its very easy to get stuck on the slope and then you loose all speed so you cant hop over the gap. I shoudl have lowered the landings a bit and maybe widen them. The last jump isnt that hard but not family friendly, and to do it as intended with fullspeed from the previous boost is very hard. Il have a look at your map then upload demo digs had a trick i only managed with a bit lower hfr, tomany discharges to try it fullspeed(you can strafe onto the explodobox in the last room, thus skipping those two buttons & having to walk around all to get to the safe spot)
scampies was very easy to get it one sec slower but to get this one i had to try for 20 mins:),trick was to shotty the left box so the 2nd door doesnt break so i can sneak past the baddies http://members.upc.nl/verorber/sm172.rar only Cocerello made a map, and I couldn't download it from his email (I need access to your google drive? idk)
anyway, I'm becoming very uninclined to keep running weekly speedmaps, I haven't even really felt the desire to map for them recently anyway... if anyone else wants to pick up the slack and run things, please do. I could swear i made it so you could access it without the Google drive. I'll go check it now.
It's a pity you are resigning, i'll miss the speedmaping sessions, both to map and to play them. I was using them to test things and improve for proper maps. On the brighter side, now i have more time for the maps. :) Busy the last few weeks, (and was only a sporadic speedmapper in any case) my only quake time going into a project born of a SM.
Was a good run scamps, cheers. Things'll pick up again. might be a bit to often, in my case i read the news, have work during the week and slowly let inspiration come until the genie comes out of a bottle, then in the weekend i have to choose between things, and quite often i realise i dont have enough time to do all i want, this weekend it was finaly good weather so no chance :)
but I found out about it ~2 days after it started, then it took me 2 days to realize I need a
This week I have mostly been populating an e-commerce site with hundreds of different types of car tyres. Needless to say, I haven't felt like mapping. Or gaming. Or going near a computer. But I'll be back on it soon.....
Yeah, if a task looks boring as fuck, it can usually be scripted. Huge time saver when you get used to doing it because it'll be the first thing you start thinking about when you get a boring task.
Speedmapping is as informal as it gets.
Just say you'd like to host a session, say what the theme is and provide a date and email for submission. :) be interesting to see someone use a theme in a way not intended.
Like say making a tech-looking map using a gothic or metal theme, or a gothic style base map.. :) Theme: dungeon
due date: 7/5/13 e-mail me at the_happy_friar_planet@yahoo.com subject: speed mapping Will be very busy this next week with work, and moving, and preparing for a teaching assignment... So what I'm saying is I'm probably in.
But no promises. I tend to interpret themes as wide as i feel like, and i realy liked (i think) negke's interpretation of "spaceship" (no clue wich speedmap session it was)
to post a date mm-dd-yy, i was liek wtf that deadlien is a month ago:)
It's like inches, rather than metric - they're just quirky that way.
Am I right? cm is kinda quirky. ;)
I do write my dates a lot as yy-mm-dd because years ago I worked for a guy from Poland and he said he did it that way so when you view files in DOS or Win95 it's always in date order. Only 4 days left and I'm still learning trenchboom! I was hoping for a new speedmap session.
You'll get from me at least one map for this session, the one i did for sm173 survival horror, and probably one more dungeon themed. I do prefer the date for this to be on mondays, as i can submit it even if i have problems with internet on my computer, but it won't hurt to have one on a sunday. but I should probably bite the bullet and just make this one into a proper map - or at least a turtlemap.
You would rather have the submission date be a Monday or the announcement date a Monday?
some day the third world might even adapt the metric system.
that it is related to how in most of speedmaps there is combat against large groups, or fast paced combat, but it is Trinca the only one that can answer that.
About the main topic, as long as it is before Christmas Eve, i can join a speedmap session. If you want this for the unfilled date in the advent calendar, please make it the 17th... Otherwise it would get in too late.
Someone would need to write a snippet about speedmapping. Preferably someone who has no other post in the calendar. Would be better as a longer project and compiled as a full episode. (My plan was to release an episode at a time or all at onceas they did with the doom version)
just think of the "Beyond Belief" pak , its "quake the way id did".
ie. the map that could easily fit to the original game. Misaligned textures, square rooms etc. Basically all of the maps from 96-97. Not necessarily misaligned textures - it doesn't have to look bad on purpose! Just simple(r) or straightforward brushwork, not excessive detailing or overly modern designs.
The DTWID project went a little crazy analyzing the styles of the different mappers... layout, geometry, texturing, items, monster placement. I wouldn't say that a QTWID project needs to go down the same rabbit hole, but it was interesting!
I took the Quake The Way id Did theme: http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm173_skacky.zip
This is also my first released map for Quake. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33279452/daz_sm173skakcky.rar
Didn't see that coming :D Cool map though, got tons of infighting to occur on the next run through. Found the quad secret but no luck on the second. That's not a speedmap, nor 'the way id did'. But it looks really nice and I think you should release it as standalone instead!
Well I made it in only 2 days, though I'm pretty new to this concept here. I decided to do some more detailing compared to the original maps (I roughly have twice as many brushes). Not sure about releasing it standalone though, it's very small.
Nice demo, DaZ. Too bad you got squashed by that trap, heh. They are a lot more forgiving in McGee's maps but I decided to make it faster this time. If you're fast enough you can lure the Fiend waiting behind the triangular door inside and get out, killing it in the process, but it's hard to do. I'm almost finished my card for sm173 which started 2 days ago. Upload it tomorrow, December 18th, afternoon.
It's true it's not very good compared to the rest. I think a wind tunnel leading to the arena would have been a better solution, so you can't really escape and abuse the Shamblers (though I would need to put some cover, like a central altar or something).
You were so close to discovering the second secret too, it can be heard somewhere. The final arena should have maybe locked you into the room with the shambler, no need for wind tunnels. (1 wind tunnel wouldn't have fit in with the theme IMO)
I was looking for the secret near the end but I thought you could jump across to the left room where the zombie fight arena occurs. I think that would have been a nice place for a secret (you can reach with a jump I just tried it). I wasn't really looking to do a lava dip so late in the map, I thought it might have been under an earlier lift though since it felt a bit weird to have lava under that lift. Great map, I agree with Daz, this could have easily been a separate release. The wind tunnel idea was because this map was meant as a something that could fit in Quake's episode 3, and two maps use these (e3m4 and e3m5, although e3m4 only uses one and it's hidden). I still feel like the ending room comes in too abruptly with this small corridor.
I may re-release it in the coming days with a modified ending, standalone this time, and probably with a secret area in the arena. A Thunderbolt hidden there could come in handy for the final bit. As other has said, very nice little map Skacky!
And your right that the ending needs some modification. I will look forward to your next version and next map, may it be soon! would have been a good project, didn't really get any responses for a collaboration like I was expecting.
I have almost finished the first map in the project too, just a couple of tweaks to make (only took me a week on and off) Neat maps by skacky and digs. On DOOMer's map I got stuck in a secret area and couldn't get out which was annoying.
@Mandel
What kind of secret area you could not get out? In 2 of 3 exit by opening the wall-door shots. It was one by a watery area. inside the secret there were bars which weren't open, but seemed to block entrance to another room with some goodies. I didn't see any way out because the map was dark!
There need to shoot in one place on the wall for the opening of another hiden corridor. Bars and button behind them - not functional, just a decorations.
I updated archive with my map, fix some monsters placement in solid and fix one entity. http://cacodemon.doomer.org/quake/sm173_doomer.zip Make a newspost about this SM so I don't forget to dl and play it when I eventually have time! And you know, so more people play it generally!
please. but my favorite dream is to make an insane/horror level
something like visiting an abandoned asylum to search for a longlost friend &) hence the name "return to castle cuckoo" ... i suppose i can put one.
SM 175: Theme : Cuckoo's (Koohoo's) castle. Deadline : 9th of June, 10:00 a.m.(GMT). Or better, do a mini episode with several 100 minute speedmaps.
For the puny mortals, the deadline. fuck my english
there are two unpropely titles for a future themes "It's Been In The Last Thief Game Already " "fuck my english" "there are two unpropely titles " fuck and making it a weekend project thing instead of a 1 hour map like I usually do
Skill 3, all kills, no deaths.
Holy crap that was intense, and beautiful. https://www.dropbox.com/s/76sc3ew58v5mdkk/skacky_sm175digs.zip that's one of the best speedmaps I've played in a while, sorry no demo. I did it first time on normal though.
Holy Fuck that was a gorgeous speedmap, route choices, lovely combat sets, plenty of funny infighting (spawns vs hell knights) and such a lovely design style. More of this please!
http://scampie.net/files/maps/sm175_scampie.zip
made over fri/sat/sun, bigger than your usual speedmap, could potentially release it as a full map with some more cleanup (especially in the rocky bits) skill settings are supported, most of you will likely want skill2 Amazing map Scampie, with super cool designs and encounters. The maon room is great and the last arena is really cool! The shamblers are well used too. This session keeps delivering!
Skill 3, all kills, 2/4 secrets, no deaths. https://www.dropbox.com/s/rtf3xnvvg6rdoo6/skacky_sm175_scampie.zip Demo: https://www.dropbox.com/s/68ca24zr8hof07j/skacky_sm175doomer.zip
Skill 3, 30 kills, 0 secrets, no deaths. Only played Doomer's map so far because I am waiting on the pack. Used Engoo with "Low" resolution pixel paradise. Great map, felt like a good old mid/early 90s game. I'd love to play many episodes with maps like this.
I have a speedmap for this session as well, started it yesterday, but I need some more time to finish it today.
Guess I'll wait til the pack comes out, so as to have what will apparently be a series of awesome experiences, judging by above comments!
Nicest map so far, here are demos. Tough one.
Probably no one will mind waiting one more day for this pack. But don't take too much, or Sock's entry will grow into a proper release from a speedmap.
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm175_cocea.7z
Made it too big and had to cut it down by half, so there is some minor parts that don't make sense, but it is completely playable. I'll wait for the pack to play the rest of entries. Scampie's map is buggy as hell. I falled under the floor, and the monstrers were are messed up, during the first half. I wasn't able to return on solid ground, even after using the noclip command.
This map could be great, but the bug is killing it totally, texan style ! I'm playing in nightmare mode with QuakeSpasm on OS X. I have no idea what could be wrong or why, it works fine in Quakespasm on Windows and no one else had an issue... do you have a demo? are you playing with any mod on that could also be breaking it? I'd love to know what is wrong so I can fix it
I just need to finish off some lighting and entities in my pixel map, it should be ready later on today for the map pack.
I made a second one, so, please, if you can wait some hours, i can promise you that i can deliver you a way better map than the first one I already released.
Also if no one has played my first map, i'll take some minutes for some bugfixing in the first map and link the two of them together. *Fifhtelephant, are you going to release one you too? Yes. I'm not interested to make real speedmap. It was fun 10 years ago. Now we have become accustomed to better quality maps. Maybe it makes sense to change the concept speedmap?
Obviously I've had to catch up on E3 and game of thrones but I'm bashing a level together now that should be done in a few hours hopefully.
This is probably going to be a nice pack :) This sounds like the DirectQ issue, but since you're using QuakeSpasm, I don't know...
In DirectQ it's common (at least for me) for the gound to sink beneath the visible brushes after playing for a while. It's an engine problem rather than the map, and I know MH spent some time trying to find it. As I remember it, MH said it was actually a problem with Quake rather than DirectQ in particular. It just seems to appear sooner with DirectQ. Possibly it could happen in QuakeSpasm as well. Anyway... Use noclip to get out of the ground, make a savegame, restart the engine, and start playing from the savegame. Scampie making an impure not-actually-a-speedmap proves conclusively that the paradigm has shifted. What would Xen say?
whenever it was that I tried to get speedmapping rolling again, I specifically tried to make the interpretation of what a 'speedmap' is a lot more open.
we are not all teenagers with tons of free time anymore, and Quake may not be the only thing we all want to do with our time. letting the timing be open allows people to make whatever they have the time to make. if you only want to make a 1 hour map, great, if you want to spend the week, fine! they are both pretty speedy compared to a standard map that people take a month+ to make. the goal of speedmapping shouldn't even really be about the limitation of time, despite the name, but about driving creativity and experimentation. if the time limitation helps in those regards, then great, self apply what fits for you. plus, speedmapping allowing designers to not care if they aren't putting their best foot forward. no one should feel like they have to make a showcase map when speedmapping. maybe we should just rename this to a 'mapping jam' I tested briefly (up to the first silver key) and didn't see anything weird with Scampie's map on Quakespasm OS X. If you could post more info/demos/screenshots/saves etc. that'd be great.
excited to play this pack! busting my balls to finish this map in the next hour.
Probably will be done by then actually. Just doing some small testing. But it feels so right ;) You guys are finally starting to map at my pace!
Will there eventually be an all encompassing pack? Please let me know. Here is my map entry for the pack. Enjoy.
... says that have a map near completion in the next hours, I'll upload the mappack.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/l0kkv1tomo8p3rg/skacky_kaahoo.zip
Skill 3, all kills, 4 secrets, no deaths. <skacky> amazing map sock <skacky> I was a bit confused with the gold key door <skacky> but other than that it's stunning <skacky> really cool encounters everywhere, excellent design <skacky> the strength rite room was brutal but so much fun! <skacky> and that scrag massacre, excellent Your map is absolutely SUPERB ! Thanks dude !
You should do some more of that style. Realy great ! Nice lighting, "classic" layout is well done, your aesthetics are again suberb! Indeed!
Here is a demo of me derping and dying, but i had fun! Thank you! Your map is quite nice in terms of layout and ambush setup. Could use more highlighting, some text on doors and keysymbols and such stuff.
But what do i know.. Here is a demo. Playing again now, i died terribly 1st time:) What command should we enter at the start process to use the DMSP mod and Sock's mod at the same time ?
I would like to add some frenetic action mess on this map, with more monsters to hug and love. @Skacky, thanks for the demo, a pleasure as always seeing you destroying a nightmare selection of monsters. :)
@mfx, it was cool to see you try the puzzle side of the map first. It feels like you play with a keyboard! crazy! :) @Barnak, you can just drop the map file in your dmsp directory, the map works fine with a vanilla quake setup. I included a pak file because it has a skybox and I wanted to make sure people setup wateralpha. Why no one has implemented a worldspawn key for wateralpha in modern quake clients is crazy. Ok, it's working, thanks. But the results are weird at best. Many monsters are spawning at some unattainable or unreliable spots.
And I'm unable to reproduce the no_floor issue with Scampie's map. My issue was strange : it never occured to me before. Proposals for theme:
- Colorblind. Can be very crazy. - Remake of the first map you ever did. Tronyn proposed this at Quaddicted months ago and i think can be interesting. - DoE and ring of invisibility. A bit of a clone of sm169's theme, but it is also the two things that have been used at mapping the least. If that is the theme i have one already, that did 14 years ago, it is a DM one. Is this what you were thinking when you say illusions?
Haha. Not necessarily imply func_illusionary for theme "illusion". We could show more imagination than just use this entity.
That would be hard and challenging. Apart from some examples (sm175) where there are some turtlemaps, most are in the middle, neither 100 minutes map or a full week map. For example mine took two days (16 hours the first (8 spent on the damn caves and surrounding the valley terrain brushes) and 6-8 for the second).
I often took longer than two hours myself, but always did the map in a single session. If anything, this should be the compromise.
These more sophisticated maps would be better off as a small-scale community project rather than a speedmap pack. Although it might as well be a case of motivation and expectation. A different premise - doing a bigger "speedmap" feels like less pressure than a small "normal" map even if both would be pretty much the same.
A community project is something good, but as far as i see, in this community, the things closer to that are chain speedmaps and huge episodes projects (nehahra). Isn't it?
What you were considering as a comunity project? Something like sm175, made into an small episode or just by adding an start and end map, but better organized and with communication between the members to make the maps similar? my last speedmap for sm175 was done in a single session. Granted that session was like 8 hours long at least (with food breaks).
100 minutes is crazy, I'm sure I could do it but it would be a pile of crap ;) Map Jamming has suddenly, but also completely, destroyed the speedmapping tradition which flourished for so many years in this community.
Any 'speedmaps' that might be made will inevitably be so only in name. That being said I suggest the next speedmap theme be "Honey jam runoff". I doubt speedmapping has been killed off by the mapping jam. If anything speedmapping is probably going to be speedier, like it used to be.
As the jam has stopped flowing, I thought I'd suggest a good old fashioned speed map event.
The theme is 'quantity over quality' as in a previous session, but as per usual is totally optional. Send your maps to my email by Aug. 28th. No theme this time?
Well, i have the map i did for sm170 around somewhere, maybe i could submit it for this session. I won't tell you for sure if i submit it. After submitting the last two without betatesters and unfnished, i won't submit this one if i am not sure it doesn't have any major issues. By the way, Drew, as you probably know, in this events, at least half of the people that submit something at the end, haven't said a thing in the thread (i don't know about Terrafusion). Thats nice Generic, but what I really want is for you to submit to me.
Coco, there is an optional theme - quantity over quality. Doomer, good to know, hope you have fun with It! It's one of the rules for speedmapping events, but if i think about it, that is also probably the rule we break the most in speedmapping, so i can see why you put it out and say that it is optional, apart from the fact that the theme on speedmaps by tradition was always optional, we just got accustomed to follow it.
Looking at it from a different perspective it can lead to an hordish combat map or a big with almost no detail map, and make that the theme. Hmmm And lastly, Look at the original quantity over quality SM pack. Xen did a really nice one for that.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cotc6u7ln68gws2/fitz0000.tga?dl=0
Crappy non-permanent link that OTP and others will hate, because I am lazy and also, like, whatever. It's 4 am. I'll try to find time to make another one for the 28th, but we'll see! You said
Send your maps to my email by Aug. 28th. so i thought you did to avoid granularity in the release and show all together to the community. Send your maps to my email by Aug. 28th but feel free to post pictures of your maps - like I did above - whenever you like.
Sorry for the lack of clarity there. It's just a screenshot. No need for clarity this time, it was me that jumped to conclusions too fast and thought it was the map, as screenshots are uncommon in this thread.
Looks good, depending of the layout and the side from which the player enters, those dogs will need a trigger_monterump. From just that sceeenshot i think it strays a bit from the theme, not that mine is better in that regard. By the way, i played sm67_xen. It is good, and probably the one that matches the theme in sm67 the most. The idea of using setpieces and modules to make a speedmap isn't new for me, but it is always a good reminder as a different type of way to achieve quality. @Drew, you can use http://i.imgur.com/ for screenshots instead Dropbox.
Screenshot of the my sm176 map. I'm completed base layout yesterday and started make light today. On this moment map isn't contains any monsters on map. http://i.imgur.com/TxnIQn8.jpg http://www.quaketastic.com/files/screen_shots/q70v05b.jpg
This is the one i did for sm170 and couldn't release back them. MY first speedmap, by the way. My betatesters have a different opinion and liked the crystals, but for me they still don't look like the light is coming from within them, mainly because the bottom is still dark, but i hate this map and want to avoid working on it as much as possible, so the changes if there are some will be minor, very minor. try making the crystals use fullbright colors or using an external BSP for them so that you can light them correctly.
I know, those are the only two options i saw when thinking about a possible solution back then. But those are off limits of what is considered speedmapping, so i desisted on using them for this map. Anyway, thanks for the information.
I'll use them if i need crystals on a proper map. Currently it uses a system of 6-10 lights per crystal, depending on the length of the crystal. It's mainly because of the issue about delay 2 lights having an overbright area in the area closest to them in white light instead of the one given by the _color key. That causes that i need 4-8 colored lights to mask that white zone. Made dozens of tries on a test map with other delay values to eliminate those extra lights but the look is bad. The good point is that thanks to that i have a map with a room filled with many types of lighting that come from crystals for future maps. I heard that TyrUtils have the option for delay 5 lighrs, Which are the same as delay 2, but without that overbright area. I'll add that option to the other two. @Cocerello
Probably this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Time_Zone @Drew I'm will send my map to you in the some next hours. hope i did in time.
* DOOMer, then it is USA eastern time. It was incomplete like that. I slept less hours this night to submit it on time, because it took way more hours to compile than what i expected.
While re-reading my last message i noticed that it looks a bit intimidating. That was never my intention. I am not angry at you, Drew, not at all, rest assured.
I have maps from Cocerello and DOOMer. Any silent stragglers who still need another day? If not I will package and release this evening.
Every once in a while a number is skipped to make room for the badass chainmap that we're not working on.
That, or some hiccup happened. A SM107 map by generic is included in the SM109 pack. ok thank for the info.
Now I can say that I really got everything of Quake1 mapping scene.. now I can start playing ! (gulp#!#) I have a 10gigabyte folder full of Quake goodness ! with limited textures? Say 4 textures?
Something minimal, like a sky texture, a bright texture (for lights), and a dark texture and a lighter texture (for contrast)... For example - http://imgur.com/bnY9b4c It turned out people can't speedmap, so instead they now jammap - and so should you!
I'm merely suggesting that there may or may not be something released by then with cool new toys, which would be great for some jam mappery.
Holidays are a bit of an annoyance for sure though. Perhaps as a good stopgap someone could organize a simple weekend 'retrojam' to happen in Oct? Pick a weekend and just make some basic maps in a day or two.
speedmap sessions are officially dead and now is the reign of jams
I'm gonna miss them. Well, when i get my health, time and a computer back i'll try to promote them, or at least make some packs myself, as speedmapping is the thing that drove me for mapping the most in these last years. Don't be so quick to write off E4. There's something about it that still freaks me out. Probably the deep shadows, wandering fiends, and periods of silence broken only by the sound of monsters teleporting around, triggered by god knows what.
That while they're not random and ugly, a tight deadline would definitely help in recreating the production values of the original E4 maps.
I would say don't try to emulate the E4 production values, but try to capture the oldskool gameplay. The environment is the real enemy in E4 - lots of tricks, traps, and shadows. It really puts me on edge.
Zwiffle: Episode 4 is pretty diverse, you can do basically anything as long as it's kind of dark and there are power ups.
It's a weekend mapping thing, E4 inspired maps sounds simple and open enough of a theme. E4 jam where you ignore the real E4 and instead just work from the level titles. "The Nameless City" could own.
exec """\nfrom random import choice, randint\n\ndef funfunfun():\n scampiesuxx = ("Sewage","Elder","Nameless","Pain","Azure","Hell","Maze","World","Tower","God")\n negkerulez = ("System","Shrine","Palace","Hell","Maze","World","Tower","God","Atrium","City","Agony")\n spiritistehleader = ("of Despair","of Hate")\n maybeormaybenot = choice(("The ", ""))\n suxxx = choice(scampiesuxx)\n kkk = choice(negkerulez)\n \n while(suxxx == kkk):\n kkk = choice(negkerulez)\n \n if randint(0,5) == 0:\n jem = " "+choice(spiritistehleader)\n else:\n jem = ""\n \n return (maybeormaybenot+suxxx+" "+kkk+jem)\n \nfor x in range(12):\n print(funfunfun())\n"""
exec """\nfrom random import choice, randint\n\ndef funfunfun():\n scampiesuxx = ("Sewage","Elder","Nameless","Pain","Azure","Hell","Maze","World","Tower","God")\n negkerulez = ("System","Shrine","Palace","Hell","Maze","World","Tower","God","Atrium","City","Agony")\n spiritistehleader = ("of Despair","of Hate")\n maybeormaybenot = choice(("The ", ""))\n suxxx = choice(scampiesuxx)\n kkk = choice(negkerulez)\n \n while(suxxx == kkk):\n kkk = choice(negkerulez)\n \n if randint(0,5) == 0:\n jem = " "+choice(spiritistehleader)\n else:\n jem = ""\n \n return (maybeormaybenot+suxxx+" "+kkk+jem)\n \nfor x in range(12):\n print(funfunfun())\n"""
The Sewage System of Hate
Elder God Nameless Hell God System The Nameless World The Elder Palace World City The Hell Maze of Hate Azure World The God Palace The World Tower Tower Atrium Maze Tower Tower Agony The Maze City The World Atrium The Sewage Palace Nameless Maze The God Shrine Pain Agony of Hate Elder City Sewage System Sewage City of Despair The Pain Atrium Kinda like Berlin?
Although I like E4, I'm not really interested/inspired to do a E4 jam at the moment - besides, "E4" seems too unspecific as a theme anyway. Also, Zwiffle must map, so we have to take all steps necessary to enable him! ...But will there ever be another speedmapping session? Because I would be interested in participating on IRC if it comes around.
I have a webcam now and might be interested in mapping something small-ish. I apologize for having a webcam in advance.
I could make next week a little something for vanilla Quake gameplay? not AD. Have any ideas about themes?
or does that deserve to be a turtle map?
examples of the style: http://artdiscovery.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/3-IMG_1871.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/04/81/37/0481372b1c349e671306db701166da48.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_OpzigNsZwIg/THVdZiTai0I/AAAAAAAACJ0/ZaekY5pK-sE/s1600/es-prentententoonstelling.jpg maps based off of the Quaddicted twitter feed?
There have been a few nice screenshots posted there recently. Escher it is. Interesting!
Good idea on changing the title of the thread for people noticing. At first didn't catched it and thought it was discussion for a new jam pack. I am having problems thinking of gameplay for that theme, but it is progressing. Probably bacause of not being able to map for the past two years. It is going to be good for mapping rehabilitation. My map.
http://digspt.ru/quake/sm177_digs.zip There is a problem with Darkplaces. For: "angles" "90 0 0" there is a reversal of the object in the wrong direction. In other engines displayed normally. Who else makes the map for this event? Cool map ! This map is very imaginative and innovative ! I felt very disturbed by the architectural orientations.
This theme is pretty "Quaky", in some way. There should be more often of these "twisted" and fucked up dimensions, in Quake. My criticisms : Maybe the light is too strong all across the map. Use some fog, maybe ? Try a version with a VERY STRONG fog. digs, does 89.9 or 90.1 fix it? you might be able to trick darkplaces while not affecting other engines.
I forgot to check if the idea i have is possible in Quake first, so now i have to change lots of things on it.
I expect to have it in around 24 hours, so it will be released later. I don't know if as a speedmap or not, time invested on it will decide. the deadline is this weekend digs!
I'm just half way there! Take your time.
I suggest to push the deadline for a few days (a week ?). Digs, your trees suck. (trees in Quake1 always suck anyway). I suggest that you change them for trees without any leaf. Or some weird evil twisted sculptures instead. Please, add more details ! ...since I've been stuck with a single map of Schlossher for months, but with the deadline being today, blech...
I think we can take a few more days. MadFox how much time you need to complete?
Cocerello, we will wait for you. Trees is difficult. I'm not sure what I can come up with something. Necros: I'll try your idea Barnak: I have tried to make the fog, but I did not like No, it does not work. I tried different combinations, "90.1 0 0", "270 0 180" and so on. But all in vain
About trees, try some strange useless machine-like sculptures. Two boxes and a few pipes...
Trees are indeed difficult, and are one of the things I'm still not sure on the most efficient way to render.
But there are many types of trees, some easier than others. You guys should start a topic about making nice trees for Quake1. Design, rendering, style, etc.
I will release my map for this SM event today evening. It remains to complete the placement of the monsters and finish some visual details.
Don't change anything aesthetically. Your map looks amazing, and the trees suit it perfectly.
don't worry about making it good and polished, its an speedmap, it should be short, hasty in construction, and rich in ideas, so rudimentary is good.
Usually when one gets to spend more than 6-8 hours on them they lose their speedmap flavour. For recent examples, go with sm171, sm172 and sm174 and avoid things like sm175 and sm176. Also, making it short and hasty makes it easier to complete maps and lowers the possibilities of it ending up forgotten on your hard disk, unfinished. * Digs. OK, expect it today, but can't say when exactly, i still haven't compiled it once, so i don't know if its going to be one of those that takes half a day in compiling. I'll keep you updated. I can't make the map in time, not soon either, so release the pack with just your map and DOOMer's, well, and Shamblernaut's if he appears.
I apologize for making you wait in vain. My entity stuff is sorta time consuming. but it really needs to be completed wholly for the concept to work and be playable.
My map is half way done. To turn it into a playable map it would need at least a week or more.
I'm not a speedmapper, in fact I hate it. My map for SM177
http://cacodemon.doomer.org/quake/sm177_doomer.zip The balance may be bad (yesterday I didn't have enough time to test through many runs on the map). The map fits the event theme is probably not 100%, map by `digs it turned out much better in this. digs. Your map is reminiscent of your earlier works from the series "Anomaly". I think that we wait for the map of Shamblernaut and make thread.
Others can then just give a link to them maps in the thread when finished work. Ok? http://cacodemon.doomer.org/quake/sm177_doomer.zip
I updated archive with my map (http://cacodemon.doomer.org/quake/sm177_doomer.zip). @digs I think, yes - wait for the maps of Shamblernaut and Cocerello . as is everything else about the map.
here it is: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rbiahbdwqmzuurd/sm177_shamblernaut.bsp?dl=0 I was testing a concept to see how it would play, turns out not great. drop down by any striped textures to walk on that plane. I said that i was resigning on submiting something for this session, but as seeing that there was time till DOOMer and Shamblernaut submitted theirs, it thought of doing something fast, and here you have.
It was so quick to make, compared with the other i was doing, that i added support for skill levels and experimented with some tricks for replayability. You can even get different weapons depending on how you play it. I am satisfied with it: it is not a great map and not as special as the one i was making, but i think its fun and its very speedmap-like, which was missing in most of my speedmaps. * Important to note: its for playing with QUOTH https://www.dropbox.com/s/5oa7wmoqcbvzw26/sm177_cocerello.zip?dl=0 By the way, wouldn't it be better to do like always from now on? Sending the maps to however proposed the session to pack them all and them publish them on a news thread. That way we avoid several issues, like having the comments spread between here and the news thread, having lots of individual files and versions for each, people having to check for each new map, and the first and last map submitted being a bit forgotten. It's nothing big, but i was curious as of why in the last 3 speedmap sessions it was done like this. OK, guys. I'm and Digs talked and decided that I will make a package and publish the news about this event within 1-2 hours.
Your map reminds me of that map by Markus Klar, from 1997 or something like that... I think it was named "a fly".
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