Internally it's the same stuff we've all been doing for years.

It's like the 'AI Director' from L4D - entity randomisation I first worked with in Lazarus Q2, so a good few years ago now.

Granted they've improved it a bit with route randomisation as well, though It'dve been nice if there were more than 2-3 distinct routes in the game.

Never heard of Brink - I go to google. 

yeah brink looks pretty sweet! almost too intense. i hope there's a good linear single player campaign though, not just a bunch of bots thrown into an arena. 

It looks pretty nice - seems that L4D has opened up the coop FPS side.

Not a WOW player so that whole stage passed me by really. 

If Brink works out the way I kind of hope it will, it might replace TF2 as my go-to FPS. But then it does have coop, but it can't really compete with zombies imo, so L4D2 will still be my go-to coop game. 

Okay so I wasn't really expecting much besides a Diablo clone, and I was right. But it's a lot more fun than I anticipated. They added a lot of fun features, like being able to load up your pet with gear and then sending them back to town to sell it while you continue to battle it out in the dungeon. That was pretty cool.

A lot of stuff seems to have been streamlined, and there is simply tons of loot. Very fast, light on story, lots of different angles to the game to keep it fresh. But yeah, basically I would think of this as Diablo 2.5. 

Bioshock 2 Four Pack anyone? 

I WANT, YET I HAVEN'T FINISHED THE 5 MILLION GAMES I ALREADY NEED TO PLAY. YES I KNOW I'M TYPING IN ALL CAPS. 

<cardo> Bl1tz, wanna go start a games dev company called cockfuck productions?
<Vigil> Assfuck Gangbang Interactive
<cardo> teet juice designs
<ShambIer> how about Shitcunt Software Ltd?
<cardo> these are all pretty amazing
<cardo> Lucid Labia games
<ShambIer> I Fucking Take It Up The Shitter Daily Until It Bleeds
<ShambIer> + Software Interactive (tm)
<cardo> oh right.. was wondering where u were going with that
<ShambIer> it's a catchy name for many things
<@rebb> will you be making chess simulators ?
<ShambIer> ROFL!!!
<cardo> yeh
<ShambIer> rebb is teh winnar
<cardo> the ingeneuity will be in the piece designs
<@rebb> Dildo Chess
<ShambIer> which will be life size models of CZG's darkest fantasies
<ShambIer> made all too real in glorious 3D
<cardo> giant cock to gaping chasm 4 

Yeah, that's about how I remember IRC. Looks to be every bit as valuable today as the day I stopped logging in. 

You know I think the public would be pretty eager to buy anything from a company called Assfuck Gangbang Interactive 

Where is the horse and the rider... where is the horn that was blowing. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B_ONTVI8k4&NR=1

Some impressive names! Adam Baldwin! Now I have to buy this game =) 

NO STOP
YOU GUYS ALREADY GOT ME TO BUY DRAGON AGE AND I STILL HAVEN'T BEATEN IT DON'T MAKE ME BUY MASS EFFECT 2 PLEEEAASSSEEEE 

I've finally figured it out - I don't like games without endings. I'm there playing Torchlight or Sins of a Solar Empire or Spore building more and more shit, trying to stave off the suspicion that I'm completely wasting my time and stopped enjoying the game days or weeks earlier.

Replay value is fine, but don't ask me to make stuff inside your game unless it something to do with game externals.

Thing is I know I have to keep playing Torchlight for a while now because I was stupid enough to buy it even though I already got bored of fate and by the dev's own admission they only repackaged old concepts to get enough money to make a Torchlight MMO.

Next time something comes along promising endless worlds or user created content (only complete idiots will think that of any use - I want to lay good levels designed for fun play thank you) I'm going to smile and nod and beat it to a pulp with a half brick.

When did infinite = enjoyable. 

. . . and should have . . .

Rock on with the errors. 

Not a fan of Quake then, huh? 

I think he has you there, ijed. 

Quake does end though - totals and time screen.

Once you've chopped your way out of Shub's guts going back and doing it again is up to you.

There's no 'play from the start again and you get slightly better stuff' lure. 

it's the lures I don't like.

I'll happily play L4D2 until, well, they release L4D3 because I'm playing it for fun, not grinding for loot or XP. 

Well that just seems like you don't find loot or XP fun; Others do. SO essentially you just don't like RPGs? Or at least RPGs that don't really have a definite ending? 

I'd put Spore or Sins in the same category. You build stuff. Next time you might see a slightly different permutation of the environment / situation so you are lured into playing again.

Until after X playthroughs you can't be bothered anymore and finally drop the game, feeling like a dunce for having bought it and wasted your time.

But that's me.

One these sorts of systems will finally live up to the complexity that they need to be for me to find this type of design entertaining.

So I guess I'm complaining about a few different things, but stuff being made as 'endless' in whatever way is the closest I can put my finger on. 

I'm having the same problem with torch light.

It was also a huge problem for me with plants vs zombies - once you finish the challenges there is the zen garden, and that big tree etc - but nothing to ACCOMPLISH.
...Still an awesome game considering I paid like, what, five dollars? 

Wrote a review, for those who may be interested. Haven't reviewed a game in a while, but plan to do them a little more often than before.

http://taw.duke4.net/2010/01/game-reviews/borderlands/ 

This is pretty cool. All kinds of classic 80s/90s games on multiple platforms. Requires Java.

DOS: http://dosdose.com
C64: http://c64s.com
NES: http://nintendo8.com
Gameboy: http://gbemul.com
Sega MS: http://mastersystem8.com 

Does not work well under firefox, need to use IE... bah, too old games