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This is a counterpart to the "Mapping Help" thread. If you need help with QuakeC coding, or questions about how to do some engine modification, this is the place for you! We've got a few coders here on the forum and hopefully someone knows the answer.
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CCK 
Although HexenII is more advanced then Quake there is a mod called Visions, which has a Capture Camera Kit.

It has about everything you mentioned, but supports only QuakeI. Maybe with a bit tweaking you could port it to HexenII? 
 
@madfox Sounds promising! Any idea where I could find it?

Yet, just to be sure there is no misunderstanding, because English is not my mother tongue and it's sometimes hard for me to be clear: my actual problem is not the 1. and 3. above because triggered cameras are a native feature in Hexen II.

The real challenge is to tell monsters and the player how to behave during such cutting scenes: tell them to run, to stand idle, to jump or whatever. What I want to do is puppet mastering. Never mind whether it is the actual monsters and player acting in front of the camera or just fake entities reusing their mdl. 
Scripts 
I used this Camera scene Construction Kit in a map to explain a coming event in the game.
It works with scripts from the moment the trigger_camera is touched. The player changes into a moveless point, while the entities can be turned on/off hostile attacking.

There is no way to tell what entities will do, although a func_train or path_info can be used as well as textures on screen.

You can look at it at the map of DarinMcneil visions 
 
madfox... great link... I never knew about this! One other camera system can be found in the custents mod but it's a bit different because it's a security camera but there are controllable actors in the mod as well. 
 
Thank you so much for those exciting links! Hope I'll be able to do something nice from it. :-)
You'll hear about it anyway. ;-) 
Demo Examples 
Inky, in the progs tricks you were interested in how demos work. There used to be something of a scene for making Quake demos, especially in the dial-up era of the internet when youtube didn't exist. I was only an interested observer, but if you were interested in finding out more a good place to start would be reading about

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seal_of_Nehahra

In particular, if you look at the sources there are a couple of interviews archived from machinima.com which go into some detail as to what combination of engine tools, mod-making and live recording were used to produce the demos. 
 
Dear Preach,

At reading your last paragraph, demos don't seem to be easy stuff and my guess is that anyway I would probably not be able to trigger one mid-game and go back to the action afterwards, like with camera stuff exemplified in the map by Darin Mcneil mentioned above. So learning how to make demos would probably be putting things too far away from actual mapping which I still keep on learning and which already takes me days and days (and days...)

Yet I feel extremely honored by your personalized attention. My project will anyway owe a lot to your map hacks and advice, for sure! Thank you so much for that and for all what you bring to the community, that's so precious for newbies like me! Sorry I didn't notice your kind message sooner (is there a way to be automatically notified when someone posts after you on a thread?) 
Demo 
I was thinking of pre- or post-level demo cutscenes when I mentioned it (zerstörer is another good example of doing that). In principle though, you could try the following to get a mid-game cutscene from a demo:

1) Save the game to a fixed filename like 'save interdemo.sav' using stuffcmd
2) Follow that with a command to load the demo 'playdemo cutsc001.dem'
3) insert a stuffcmd into the last frame of the demo which runs 'load interdemo.sav' to resume.

Wouldn't work in co-op, and it wouldn't be seamless because the engine would reload the map, but it's an interesting approach. Certainly would shift the burden from perfectly scripting the cutscene in QC to editing a demo. I suspect you can get good results with less effort through the latter... 
 
Wow, that's tricky! :-)

The cutscenes I have in mind are mainly dialogs with non playing characters (that is non agressive monsters who give pieces of information to the hero thanks to a dialog, show him a passage, etc.) Could a demo do that? That would save a lot of scripting for sure. 
Custents 
I'd say that's probably simple enough that you could avoid the demo route. Have you looked at the in-map cutscenes you can do with the custents mod? They might be enough for your purposes. If you had 5-6 entities interacting in a scene, each with two or three things to do, and a need for some kind of camera movement, a demo is going to be more manageable. But there's overhead to setting up demos as well, and that's not worth incurring if the action is short and simple. 
What Makes A Monster Go Infight? 
I'm converting some models and have come to strange point one of them resists to go infight.
It keeps on tracing the player untill it is killed.

Strange enough a hit by another monster just makes it to one counter attack, but then it continues the player.
If another monster gets hurt, it starts infight untill the lame one gets killed.

All the others kill eachother infight, so I can't find a trace to where this infight command is to be found. 
Madfox 
in T_Damage, look for self.enemy = attacker;

If your enemies only do one counter attack and then return to attacking the player, something in your code must be setting self.enemy back to the player. 
 
I can't find self.enemy = attacker; anywhere.

The macro of a grunt is identical to the enforcer.
What happens is that the enforcer will have infight with the grunt.
Grunt with the same qc code won't infight, and leaves after one attack.

Only thing I can make of is that two enforcers won't attack eachother. 
Ie 
the qc of a grunt is the enforcer.qc. 
 
I can't find self.enemy = attacker; anywhere.

That would explain why there's no infighting then. Monsters attack their current enemy. So if the enemy is never changed to be their most recent attacker, they won't attack back.

Note that in T_Damage, in standard quake, there is an exception for "soldiers" (e.g. grunts) to allow them to fight each other. Every other class will not fight monsters of the same class. 
Grm... 
That explains a bit of the cause.
I have this T_Damage (self.enemy, self, self, ldmg);

The perticular monster is called monster_grunt, while quake uses monster_army.
Could it miss the statement soldier, not seeing a monster_ grunt for a monster_army? 
 
#2779 Found It. 
I gave it a Grunt_Check_Attack in Fight.qc.
For most other monsters it is an oppertunity to devide their attacks on long and short range. In this case it won't work for Grunt.
Deleting the files in fight.qc makes it infight again.

Not really clear to me why but it works. 
Sniper Code 
Hello all :-)

I am desperately trying to find what piece of code decides whether a monster is too far away to see the player or not.
Indeed I'd like to implement a flag to enhance some lesser baddies and make them excellent snipers never mind the distance.
Any idea please?

Thanks a lot in advance! :-) 
Fight.qc 
Attitudes of monsters go to the fight.qc where they are specified to attack on range, distance or default.

So I think your monster should have an anouncement in the fight.qc.

The SoldierCheckAttack has the code to make the knight decide to make a RANGE_FAR, RANGE_MID or RANGE_NEAR attack. 
Would I Get Away With This? 
combat.qc line 189:
// get mad unless of the same class (except for soldiers)
if (self != attacker && attacker != self.enemy)
{
if ( (self.classname != attacker.classname)
|| (self.classname == "monster_army" ) )

if ( (self.classname != attacker.classname)
|| (self.classname == "monster_grunt" ) ) //
{
if (self.enemy.classname == "player")
self.oldenemy = self.enemy;
self.enemy = attacker;
FoundTarget ();
}
 
For Clearance 
As I compile the progs I don't see any difference in the behaviour of the grunt, so maybe I overviewed a statement. It keeps acting for black sheep and ignores infight. 
Monster_grunt 
Hi madfox,

That's the correct piece of code to change, did you keep it all exactly the same apart from changing monster_army to monster_grunt?

If so, you might need to add some dprint lines in there to try and work out whether the code is running or not when the grunts shoot each other, what classname they have when they enter this section of code, etc... 
Never Try To Beat A Twin 
Thanks for your attention, Preach. Before I turn into one.

I wondered if I could place the statement under the other one, expecting it would work. I guess not, as army will fight a grunt, but grunt won't fight army, nor eachother.

I can hardly believe this error is so consistent. All other monsters I converted have no porblem with infight. For this one I even made all frames and macro the same, but it still excists.

In this file is a try out, don't mind the strange stand / walk scene. It is a rare coinscidence with the same frame group, but altered runout.

jackpotgrunt 
Dprint 
How do I place these dprint lines?
Is there a console argument or do I set these statements in the qc? 
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