|Posted by metlslime [126.96.36.199] on 2009/04/13 22:55:50|
|there's a thread going on over at inside3d to talk about it: http://forums.inside3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=1514
and a related thread to share opinions on how the previous expo went: http://forums.inside3d.com/viewtopic.php?p=15859
If you have an account over there, join in, otherwise, i guess we might as well discuss it here. Is there enough juice for an expo every year or should we do every 2 years? Was last year's expo handled well? (personally i think the four week timespan made the event feel less active and more sparse.) What could be done differently next time?
1 week is the magic duration. It's not like there will be too much content to cram into 7 days. Short and sweet is good.
are necessary so 10 days or so would be perfect
Or do it over a holiday period.
Hi! Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I was too scared to start a new one in case I got flamed ;)
I Haven't posted here in about a year, and it's been about that since I last played Quake ( :( ) but have a few old maps sitting around that I am thinking of finishing up as a goodbye to Quake instead of just stopping playing and vanishing from the community.
Next year just happens to be the 15th anniversary of Quake, so maybe there is some interest in another QExpo for 2011?
Anyway, I think I can get motivated to do some mapping and playing soon (with regard to mapping, I need to find a new editor because WC 1.6 runs too slow on my current pc, despite it being about 20 times as fast as my first Quake pc) and am hoping I will be able to finish at least one of my half finished maps to release next year.
As Scarecrow said (back in April 2009 ;) ), it is harder to find time to do this kind of thing these days, but maybe we can do it once more?
Hopefully some of those other unfinished maps, sitting on hard drives and backup cds around the globe can also be finally released... Tyrann?*
*yes, I very much doubt he read that :)
Next year there will definitely be a QExpo!
I mean, why would anger poor Chthulu if we did not celebrate appropriately.
I want to have your babies!!! QExpo? Hmm, okay. If that's the only way to get them...
Maybe a Quake Expo will inspire Tyrann to finish up that badass looking map he was working on.
no it won't.
Also at http://forums.inside3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=2944
This year is Quake's 15th birthday, so obviously a QExpo has to be happening.
This is an incredible chance to expose our community/-ties to the "outside world". This could be a main goal. Find all smaller communities (local or niche), make them more visible to the world. Introduce people to Quake as it is today (and with that I do not mean wood textures that glow in the dark or models that make Michael Jackson look black).
We should find out what "the internet" uses as birthdate for Quake so we have it running by then. A lot of sites will post about Quake being 15 years old so we want to have them link to QExpo in the same breath.
We should use the quakeexpo.com domain. I guess Echon is still controlling it?
We should not use a third-party forum.
If no-one steps up to provide hoster-agnostic (ie not branded with one specific site/community), I would volunteer to rent a server/space for the month. Afterwards we shall make the site static and provide an archive right away.
Can we interview more of the original developers? I tried to get through to Trent Reznor but had no luck. Collect questions from the community?
100 Quake1 mods in 10 minutes?
Bombard Youtube with Quake videos?
What do you think?
yeah, John Romero seems a bit easier to get a hold of than Trent Reznor these days. Still, it'd be awesome to interview Reznor, specifically about Quake and computer games. And John Carmack and Sandy Peterson.
it should be one week this time, I think
When is the actual day?
I don't know. I thought the Quake demo was released in June of 1996. But I probably have no idea.
I think we should really go all-out on this one. If the community can put together a free Quake with no id content we should do it. That and create articles highlighting the best custom content, the ideas behind all of this, the art and the vision and how what's around today lacks that, a giant RMQ demo, the historical importance, lots of nice screenshots... and hopefully some interviews with the original developers, including Reznor. He's pretty goddamn pro-fan these days, awesomely so, so it just might be possible.
I've always felt it was weird that Romero was clearly the best map designer in Doom 1 (e1) and Quake (e2), yet he sucked so much after that afaik. Oh well, right place right time, I guess he got his ferrari collection and his budget to blow on dumbass magazine ads (lol).
i actually prefer the tim willits maps for layout/structure...
Whoever Did Satan's Dark Delight Is Awesome
Maybe my favorite map.
That or the UnderHalls or whatever it was called, that was good too.
If qexpo will happend I need to finish the map I got in progress that I dont touth since November 2010 :(
I'm getting lazy to :|
I also prefer the Tim Willits maps.
A free Quake wouldn't look like Quake anymore - that's exactly what the legal issues hinge on, the artwork and monsters etc. I don't want any C&Ds coming my way, that would be most undesirable. Quake is pretty cheap as well, so I don't see the need.
I think with Romero, as far as I understand, the whole Daikatana thing was a result of certain frustrating experiences with the development of Quake. This short interview is kinda telling:
It sounds like a lot of time went into engine testing when it should have gone into level design etc.
interesting video. he makes them sound like a bunch of kids. american just fucks off and isn't heard from and willits has to finish all his levels? what an idiot. sure i loved alice, but he's done crap since then. hopefully alice 2 is a return to glory.
romero can whinge all he wants about carmack taking too long to create the engine, but he never made anything decent again after quake.
in fact willits is the smart one for staying with carmack!
interesting to hear romero just threw it together one weekend and put the game online. if only game design was so easy nowadays!
Interesting Seeing His Side Of It...
Art from adversity perhaps? :p
tbh I'm glad. We might have missed out on something awesome in Romero's eyes, but on the other hand, we might have ended up with a proto-daikatana... no thanks.
It's hard not to agree with him that the spark left iD however. Quake 2/Quake 3/Doom 3 don't have the same feel. They're a bit too, hmm clinical perhaps?
Romero looks really nerdy in that video. What year was that? He looks like a kid. Probably younger than I am now. I guess that this "elder gods" view I have of id designers is about done, and it's probably also time to realize it isn't 1998 anymore. I was really surprised by the picture of Sandy Peterson, lol, but then not surprised, it seemed pretty appropriate. Out of the original team, it seems to me only Carmack has had any success, and that's just milking the name (I agree, post-Quake id games were clinical). Only 9 guys! Carmack wouldn't hire more! Jesus. Things aren't so cool now, suits run everything and id's become a publisher.
It Was 22nd June 1996,
...a Saturday according to Romero, and the day that he put the finished game on the net.
Watched all the others as well. Kinda feel sorry for him with all the Daikatana crap - he really just seemed to want to make a fps for skilled players.
First thing I would have suggested is not splitting the team in half with Anachronox being developed at the same time. Why would any brand new studio who's never released a single game, go and split their team in half?
There wasn't really any blue print or process for them to follow - hindsight is great.
Anachronox - Ugh
What wasted potential there too. Great graphics for its time, good music, genuinely funny voice acting, an engaging script - but the gameplay was just mindnumbingly tedious and. I played about a third of the way through until I realized that the same pattern was just repeating over and over. Enter new area, walk around a bit, get quest, go to dungeon, fight boss, go to new area - repeat ad nauseam. To some extent the same could be said of any Japanese style RPG, but the games the developers were trying to emulate, such as Chrono Trigger, make the formula fun and interesting.
In the end I just watched the movie-length cutscene film, and even that was bittersweet because the story just ends on a ridiculous cliffhanger that the developers obviously never got to tie up due to lack of time/money.
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