Next Maps Will Have Something In The Boxes
Most consistent feedback so far lmao
if butts dont make up for bad maps im a dead man.
sorry about the ammo count. balancing resources between backpacks was pretty hard.
as far as the final secret, yeah i fucked up. :( i didnt give the player extra+ ammo for it.
Butts Are Still Good, Though
Hey, you gave it yer best. To be fair it was a very fine butt, even with the intermission's extra sound effect.
Speaking of secrets though, what exactly is the correct player route to get to the last two secrets (the rooftop path that goes through the skylight to the super nailgun and has the secret-within-a-secret area)? I saw the brick stairs on top of the bookcase, but couldn't figure out how to get up there other than an explosive jump (which I had no weapons capable of) so I wound up doing some Tony Hawk ramp jump and backwards air control shit off one of the curved bits of wall in front of it, but that felt super janky so there's no way that was the correct method.
Its a bit of a small circle jump from the broken section of wall over to the window. It does seem to be a bit harder than I recall in my playtests.
#30 Is Right Too.
What A Christmas!
Well its finally here and I am loving it! Just finished all the maps in the jam, and I had a hell of a lot of fun. I've got a large .zip with demos for every map, so mappers and demo lovers take a look:
5th - A great map considering how much time you had. Loved the zombie trap, and the large arena at the end had me running for my life! A great knave style map.
Bal - What can I say? How many pipes are in this map and where do they go? A detailed masterpiece with great gameplay to boot. An amazing base map dripping with atmosphere. Take note demo watchers - if you want to see where EVERYTHING is watch this demo.
Breezeep - I love ikwhite so this map jumped out at me when I loaded it. It feels like an ever expanding arena, and I like the carpets and many arches. Had fun on this one - where can I order one of those rugs?
Dumptruckds - A good old Dissolution of Eternity/Firetop Mountain textured map. The baby was disturbing and I really liked the trippy battle sequence at the end. Without a doubt the cave and lava section was beautiful and the highlight but it was tricky to navigate. Also, in my mind I killed the baby ANTIchrist, cause I can't blaspheme:)
Ionous - Those Unreal textures! What an amazing layout and beautiful use of textures. This map also has a dark story hidden in the secrets and... EELS. 11/10 for that eel factor.
Mukor - Like a mini AD swampy this map is intricately detailed in the true AD style. Full of traps and surprises, the layout twists and turns you around right to the end. The statue is also a great centerpiece.
Naitelveni - The Tower of Terror! An intense assault from start to end, I was challenged by this. I love a good arena map as a change of pace, and that red floor was really atmospheric. A neat layout for an arena, but damn those z-aware ogres, I just can't stand them!
negke - This map really creeped me out at the start. Great way to keep the player confused and I liked the very old-school maze like vibes. A very dark map, and a unique puzzle based end. Good stuff!
Pritchard - This has stunning atmosphere! Loved the cottage and those trees! The coloured lighting worked really well as you descend and the combat was tight and brutal. I smashed EVERYTHING and wished the secrets incorporated more breakables. The outside part was so pretty I wanted to play out there more...
Tens - This was incredible! If you were delusional after staying up all night - man sanity is overrated. The vistas were fantastic, and I have never seen these textures before. Great use of a boss monster makes this short map a real challenge.
Redfield - Yes I have a 100% demo of this for those demo enthusiasts. I pointed out in the readme as well that I was really unhappy with the combat on this. I spent a lot of time on textures, trees and music(which I love) but I just couldn't do much with the monsters on this strange map. I'm glad some people have been having fun with it though.
Thanks For The Feedback!
In regards to the gold key secret, I didn't really know that you could grab it through the bars. It's something I didn't think about at the time because I was scrambling to finish the map and send it out. In other words, glad you're all enjoying this!
Going To Be Finishing Out The Pack
Starts in about thirty minutes.
XMas Jam 2017 On The Quake Grave
In case anyone missed it, I have my jam playthrough up to watch:
Amazing job everyone! I think that everyone had a really unique take on the theme and it made playing through it pretty exciting because you didn't know what would happen next.
There isn't a bad map in the bunch, but I will agree with some of the other critiques that a couple do feel a bit cramped. Other than that, I didn't have any really big issues with any of them.
Great job all, really looking forward to what you all do in 2018!
Here is a little .ent file that addresses two issues in Pritchard's map, namely the missing chair models on certain OS, and some monsters that previously refused to spawn.
You can call me stupid, but did you guys try Bal's map in id1 Quake? Totally lives up to its name! You start the map and BOOM FIEND AND GRUNTS AND DOGS ALL JUMP AT YOU AT THE SAME TIME AND ALL YOU HAVE IS A BOOMSTICK POW THE NEXT ROOM IS EVEN A MORE OF A COMPLETE CLUSTERFUCK
A warm welcome home indeed.
Anyways, it's an amazing map if played as intended!
Hah yeah I saw someone play on stream like that cause he'd forgotten to load AD, was really wondering what the hell he did to break my map so badly at first.
The designs in this pack are awesome. Highlights:
1. Great variety of themes.
2. Strong themes in all maps. Like really strong.
3. Great atmosphere in many maps. Some of them are so creative they actually feel like little introductions to new games.
4. Use of the restrictions really effective for interesting, explorative, convoluted layouts on a smaller scale.
5. Use of the restrictions also good for interesting scenery surrounding the map, some really cool atmosphere-enhancing non-gameplay designs.
6. In short the vibes are spot on, the maps are often very cute and really engrossing. I think it's been a great exercise in just how good small maps can be.
7. Secrets good too.
(I haven't gone into specifics here as it's pretty obvious which bits have been so effective. The less creative maps have still be good and stylish in their own right too).
The gameplay is a bit more problematic overall, with a lot of maps being unduly hard, not in a "git gud" sort of way, but with some recurring and specific issues:
1. Maps are very difficult to get through first go due to a combination of "health-chipping" encounters mixed with fierce AD monster encounters that if you can't predict them or really save health for them are often insta-death.
2. The AD monsters in a cramped environment are harder than usual, I do think AD maps have been previously been used in larger scale maps with more player manouverability options, and this hasn't been taken into account here.
3. I'm guessing that due to the size of the maps, that mappers and playtesters have been able to play them repeatedly (unlike testing a 600 monster map) and thus have become very familiar with the play situations.
This has made several of the maps quite gruelling but the designs have been exciting enough to keep me persisting. Long live small scale maps!
Awesome map man, Really solid theme. Thoroughly enjoyable.
I played on nightmare, I thought that the density of enemies and choices of enemies were really good. Maybe a tiny touch too easy, but this criticism would be nitpicking. The gameplay was probably one of the most balanced in the pack.
I missed a lot of secrets. I'm not sure if this is because I'm rubbish or because they could have been conveyed a little better.
Did I mention how much I liked the theme? The outdoor area was excellent, and I really liked the tip-of-the iceberg vibe to the building. Especially the descent from house to basement / storeroom to unfamiliar rooms / evil worship place.
Great map, thanks :)
I Will Say...
...one slight gameplay frustration with some of these was actually an effect of how nice the designs were - I kept getting entranced by the vibes (did I mention i like small convoluted strongly themed maps) and forgetting to quicksave....
Map De Bal.
Difficult to say anything that already hasn't been said about this gem of a map - such a highly polished, well built place. I played in normal QS, so no fancy volumetric fog-like particles, but I didn't mind. It looked really good even though thematically it was a fairly nondescript base.
My one niggle is the usual videogame-y progression felt a bit out of place: for example, there isn't much logic to pressing two pillar buttons to activate a small lift next room. Usually in Quake this matters practically never, but with this level of professionalism it was a little odd.
Very well done map, hope the next one comes soon!
The trademark high difficulty is back. I managed to fit within just one demo this time, even though I still played very sloppily.
The map does kind of show that it was made quickly before the deadline, though it's rather well done. I think I would have preferred subtler lighting, as I'm not fully convinced the dark monster skins fit very well with the white stone.
The outside area kept teasing me.
I liked the books.
Nice map overall!
Another map that could have done with some more time, and some moodier lighting.
This map somehow felt simultaneously small and too open at the same time. It was nice to have those tiny lifts everywhere, it reminded me of E4M8 in a way. It also makes me want to revisit my dm4 remix in this theme... :qthink:
I did like the revisiting of areas (though some more consistency would be nice, rather than making it sometimes a door opening, and sometimes a hole in the wall blowing open) and the twist on the ending.
Somehow I failed to connect the map together thematically (as seen in me tragically failing the ending).
A decent map, all things considered!
well i played some of the maps and i must say that i'm impressed with ionous map, it's like a textbook case of reusing spaces.
Ionous Map Manages To Pack A 4096 Layout Into 1024.
So well done. The starting bit was a gem with 32 monsters fitting in fine to one tiny area. I actually had dreams about this after trying it the first time (and, ahem, ragequitting the zombie trap after forgetting to quicksave......)
Also a textbook case of using... textbooks
Oh Yeah I Didn't Read Those Fucking Things.
I liked finding them tho....
Xmas Bal V2
Somewhat much easier on a second playthrough finding all the secrets, there's a lot of loot and tactics to manage it for the beefier ending. Although the super-secret was a bit of.....bundle of fun.
Xmas Ionous V2
Somewhat much easier on a third playthrough finding most of the secrets (the last two I couldn't actually see how they could fit into the uber-compact map), there's a lot of loot and tactics to manage it for the difficulty spikes.
As usual, I liked this to bits. Good vibes, and surprisingly light-on-single-shotgun gameplay.
About 'Super Secrets'
So these are really hard to pull of successfully, although I think Bal's map did a really good job of surprising the player with the secret. In most cases it seems the player will have to go backtracking and find missing secrets/things in order to unlock the 'super secret'.
It seems difficult to figure out where to place such a secret, if it is placed just before the ending it would seem logical, but if the player has missed something in the unlock sequence they may ignore it and finish the map. If it is placed near the beginning, the player will still have to backtrack to unlock it.
I think the mapper can make a conscious decision that the super secret will require backtracking, or it is there to encourage replay of the map. This is what I tried to do, by placing many monsters in the secret, and because the player has to backtrack to unlock it I hoped they will either explore more, or do a second playthrough. I agree with @Spud, I can see that this is not a perfect setup and maybe the super secret should be more natural to find. Does anyone have any examples of great super secrets in other maps?
Anyways this jam was really awesome to play through because of the diversity in the map themes. It was almost in some senses a theme-less jam.
@57 Re: Natural Super Secrets
Does anyone have any examples of great super secrets in other maps?
Given that this mapjam requires Arcane Dimensions be installed to play, it seems fair to mention the maps in AD itself, four of which include mod-relevant super secrets, that being the runes to collect. Two I'm gonna single out are ad_mountain (Firetop Mountain, by sock) and ad_cruical (Crucial Error, by mfx).
Firetop Mountain has already shown up multiple times in this thread (and I misspelled it as 'Lavatop'- whoops!) and is an overall great example of how to make a super secret- setting the player on a side-quest that runs alongside their normal level progress from the instant they see the first ghostly Knight at the map entrance, telling a neat story along the way, and most importantly, giving hints to how to progress towards the secret even if they miss a step or the initial apparition. The path is constantly changing as well- one second you're just looking for ghosts, then it's finding skeletons in the vents, then it's an arena fight as you get to watch the spectres make their way to the hidden room, etc. and it's all completely optional, with mini-secrets along the way like the Widowmaker shotgun.
In contrast, Crucial Error has its entire super secret route only available if you find the 'end point' near the start of the map, that being the locked door hidden behind a breakable vent in an air duct. However, unlike every other instance of a breakable vent in the map, this single vent has no visible crack giving the player a glimpse to the other side, and it's entirely likely they won't even realize it's breakable as there's a Grunt directly in front of it who will absorb their fire- if you're good enough to not miss a shot, you probably won't deal enough damage to break the vent. Worse, if they do manage to break it, the previous precedent demonstrated in the map- that being "breakable vents are marked with a crack" is broken, leading to an inquisitive player having to smack/shoot every single vent texture in the map (of which there are dozens if not more) to make sure the same trick wasn't pulled again. The secret itself is just a tiny room with a rune in it, unlocked by finding some computer chips- if you don't find the room itself first, the chips don't spawn in the map and you don't even get a hint that they exist.
There's a portal error in my map. When you walk over the bridge towards the small room with the window that reveals the ring, the upper metal tile on the ramp disappears. No weird brushwork involved, or any errors in the QBSP output, so there's no reason this should happen?! No such issue with the XT utils. Any idea what's going on there?
Argh, sorry. I see it - will look into it.
What A Workout
I didn't realize a Christmas theme jam also meant the hardest maps ever! But I loved it. A great job to everyone.
Demos for each map, hard skill. Not all a first run, but played each time until I could get through it in one sitting.
Updated With A Bonus Map From Sock
Is an Xmas sock the same thing as a stocking? Anyways, this was a really neat little map. I love the use of the Twisted Christmas monsters, and it was kinda funny how they would explode. All the rocks and woodwork looked really good too. "My dear boy, you saved me!" Gets me every time...
A S(t)ocking Stuffer?
It's still Christmas somewhere in the world, right? Looks great but I don't think anyone is really expecting anything else given the map author. Found two secrets on the first playthrough but had to record a second demo because shenanigans and found the third secret (the megahealth) on a second playthrough. Wasn't expecting to save Santa so early. Also, the first secret (nailgun) has a kind of wonky secret trigger, I think- it counts as finding it when you jump towards the button, apparently, not when you actually activate it or when you enter the nail room. Demo here.
Unrelated side note: I noticed AD1.7's notes mention the shotgun damage has been rolled back to default Quake values; wasn't that part of the appeal of using the projectile shotguns, doing just a bit more damage compared to the normal hitscan ones?
I really liked this map. Short, but fun. Nice little enemies. Excellent attention to detail. As you saw on stream, I played on nightmare... Could have been a touch harder. Wish this had've released with the pack T_T
Great job man,
Nice map. Wondered what the xmas monsters were going to be. thought they might have just been re-skins of the current monsters rather than the models from that crazy xmas mall map.
Here's a demo
Just Popping In
To say that ionous's spiral staircase reveal is cool as shit.
Catching Up Time.
- Didn't remember much despite watching the mapping streams. Smooth gameplay with good progression. Annoying secrets though.
- Didn't finish, sorry, interesting concept but not sure it was pulled off successfully. Props for ikblue though.
- Classic negke weirdness, with some AD "upper class" flair. Interesting idea with the ring, a bit anticlimactic though.
- Sorry, didn't finish this either. I didn't like this map much but I still appreciate it, it must have taken some effort. I had to disable dynamic lighting after a while, far too much flickering torchlight for my eyes. Interesting multi-tiered layout. The outside area looked gorgeous but the actual basement was too busy visually though.
- Nice map, good for a few minutes of gameplay and some laughs. I might steal that flagstone texture though.
- Holy moly that scale, I got a bit too used to cramped hallways. Good boss fight material, a bit easy with the LG though.
Some of these demos are pretty big since I forgot to disable particles again after updating AD to 1.7, sorry about that.
Summing up, this jam turned out well, despite all odds. I can imagine that in some alternate universe, with more care put into keeping this thread active with hype, we would have gotten a full suit of 24 maps. I probably shouldn't complain, since I barely went over 50 brushes with my attempt - which I may finish and release as standalone sometime later, but I think I'd prefer to finish it for another 1024^3 event... ;-)
What Went Wrong?
Playing through Tens map i got these strange visuals suddenly.
I missed sth.?
Congratulations! You found my easter egg. There's a little message that pops up if you somehow make it out to the farthest extreme of the map, across the distant bridge to the end of the canyon. It's a tongue-in-cheek joke about the 1024 unit limit we were expected to build to; the purple and white face (which is the profile picture I use on social media sites) is on the six sides of a cube that delineates the limits I used to design the map. I thought it'd be a cute super secret, as well as a way to prove I fulfilled the requirements of the jam that was built right into the BSP.
As an aside, I'd been using a TRIGGER-textured cube as a guide throughout most of my design process, and only decided to formalize it as a secret at the last minute. I swapped the old jig out for this thing instead, but accidentally shifted the cube 16 units on X and Y in the process. I was lucky enough to notice that error, and fixed it, but somehow before the deadline I managed to undo that change (I think I literally just hit Ctrl+Z too many times at some point) and the cube is back to being slightly off. For the record, it should be further east and south, with two adjacent sides of the cube flush with the inner faces of the non-functional doors near the exit yin-yang pit.
If you didn't see the message, though, and didn't actually explore the canyon, something else must have activated the secret prematurely. Do you remember exactly what you did when the face cube appeared? It has what I thought was a unique targetname, I didn't think anything else in the map could trigger it.
I was exploring the farthest extreme of the map, as you described.
And i got the message prompted, but i was lazy and ignored it :)
Anyway, now with that in mind it is all clear now (glanced at the .map file in editor to confirm it).
Not a bug, at least in my book, nice effect.
I somehow instantly thought of the Github profile pic generated somehow, you just confirmed it.
As for the map itself, very nice and clean build, love the textures and their usage. Satisfying. Very satisfying.
Oh Thank God
I was worried for a moment, I'd hate to think my carefully laid plans had gone awry.
The image is in fact an Identicon, though I flood-filled the ugly grey Github gave me (which matched the header color they were using at the time, a couple of years ago) with solid 255 white, to fit with Youtube and other sites' white backdrops. That my Github username produced something that looks like a face is a coincidence, incidentally, but once I saw that I felt compelled to use it everywhere.
Glad you liked the map! otp as well, I appreciate the feedback from both of you.
Why Dont You Just
Dont worry too much about it, i loved all your maps so far, curvy murphy stuff.
Btw, that rock texture, where does it come from? Sorry if i'm being dense here, but this texture is quite nice!
I am! At the moment I'm tinkering with something to submit to dumptruck's DM4 Jam. Still very early, nothing to show yet, but I'm mapping.
The rock texture, like almost all of the others, comes from the Hexen II expansion pack Portal of Praevus. I didn't actually know that at the start of the project; I'd downloaded praevus.zip from the Quaddicted wad collection at some point simply because I thought the textures looked nice. Worked out well, since that expansion is where the AD Eidolon model comes from too. I went over that and a bunch of other things in a little retrospective on Youtube, if you're the curious type: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak8SV6ssOeo
I liked your super secret too. I just had to go to that other brisge of course.
Did You Guys Noclip?
I saw the other two bridges as well but didn't think it was possible to jump to, so I didn't bother.
Can't remember if I was abe to make that jump.
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