It looks to me, people who are playing Quake,
do become one of their inhabitants in some way. 

Seems like #229 was removed for no real reason, despite not having any of the sensitive private info that is gleefully handed away by a certain former mapper.

TLDR Scampie you have not changed one iota since the first few posts of the thread, you're antagonising mappers for no reason, I'm blocking you from life GG. 

seemso. 

As OTP is a confirmed spammer now, can someone ban him already? 

It looks to me, people who are playing Quake,
do become one of their inhabitants in some way. 

It hurts, I know, but unlike some of you would like to believe OTP has actually done a fair bit for the community for the past few years. Organized two very successful jams for instance, and one of the driving forces behind the current Knave jam as well. I don't see why he should be banned. 

Don't ban TOR exit nodes and known proxy addresses, don't ban the Quetoo/nQuake spammer, ban me because I told Scampie off for speaking when he shouldn't have.

mfx I see your anger management is still as good as when you nearly broke your phone because your QuArK brushwork wouldn't compile. 

i can end another unvise map to test, you wont notice til your brain is so slow. Ok? 

I hid this as spam on request from someone whose point I believed was valid, not ideal but the best I could do and I judged respecting the request to be more beneficial than having the full flow of scampie vs otp beef. I'm hoping metl will reinstate it in an edited version, or the full thing as he sees suitable.

Obviously otp should not be banned, I'm well aware of his support and encouragement of mapping events as well as sometimes well-targeted trolling. However I think he's gone too far sometimes recently and some of this thread might be an example of it. 

 

The kind of thing I'm having to deal with in life is…

Well, let's just say that most of the time I feel I'm not mature enough, not emotionally strong enough. And then I see some of the people who I admire behaving like this. It helps to put things in perspective.

But I still hope all of you are better than this. 

Not unusual behavior for people who are obsessed with a 21 year-old videogame. :p 

un-flagged post 229. deleted the last paragraph. 

I didn't get to read the last paragraph before the edit; what did it say? 

Thanks metl, apologies for the trouble. 

but otp is helping me in #mapping_help 24/7. 

I didn't get to read the last paragraph before the edit; what did it say?

Was some personal stuff that didn't belong on the board. You're not missing much though. 

There is a beef thread why not a ... wholesome thread? Would it even be able to survive here? 

otp go fuck off back to your klan rally 

Post it again but with your name, coward. 

https://twitter.com/seanspicer/status/300786700173598722 

DAMN OTP HE GOT YOU BRO 

I must be a retard or something.

I want to create my own game, using my own tech. But I have no way to let others work with me, because my engine still uses code from Quake. I can't prevent any partner from redistributing the engine to the masses while its code is still tainted by the GPL. The GPL kills any chance of the novelty factor of a new technology becoming a selling point, because the "release early, release often" approach of open source software development prevents any new software from becoming mature before reaching the masses. The GPL forces software to become widely available even when it still is a piece of crap, and by the time the software's potential finally gets fully realized, it's old news already and the excitement about its novelty has been over for a long while; there's no room for novelty factor under the GPL.

The GPL is great for operating systems, business software and the like, but it's awful for the interactively dynamic artistic expressions of videogame technology, because they depend on timing and novelty. If new technology doesn't get people excited by the time it's complete and polished, there is no incentive for developers to keep pushing that technology forward.

Try to imagine someone telling you an awfully boring joke over and over, slightly modifying it on each iteration. By the time the current version of the joke is finally good, you already know what the joke is. There is no surprise, no figuring out, no catch. No fun.
E.B. White — 'Explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog. You understand it better but the frog dies in the process.'

Carmack is not stupid. He released his sources, but only when their tech was already old news. He didn't release his sources early because it would have been a waste of commercial momentum. But people using his GPL'd sources does not have this option; this is one of the reasons why they could never compete.

This forces me to create everything alone because I can't redesign the tech without having proper assets to test it with. More often than not, testing the engine with proper assets reveals further algorithm redesigns that needs to be carried on. And creating proper assets takes a whole fucking lot of study and work.

I don't know why I'm still motivated to work on this thing. It's a fucking chore, and it's making me feel I'm behaving like an egoistical cunt.

It'll likely take forever to redesign and rewrite the whole engine, even if I replace parts of it with MIT/BSD licensed libraries. I'm not hopeful.

I am a fucking retard. I could be doing something else with my life. I do feel proud of some algorithms, but as a whole what I'm doing and the way I'm doing it is pathetic. 

Most successful projects require 20-200 friends, with at least 5 of them to be loyal diehards committed to an idea.

Most things born in this world are spawned by social groups anchored with a few talented people working together.

The thing about doing things with a social group ...
1) They will reality check you.
2) They will emotionally support you when you are down.
3) They will get excited when you hit a checkpoint.

Do you have a plan written on paper with each step laid out of what you plan to do and how you plan to achieve it and the time frame for each step and then laying out why and how to make money?

If so, have you shown others to collect their thoughts?

Winning is achieved by taking CHAOS and forcing it into ORDER against its will. Chaos always fights back.

A plan represents the ability to internally conquer your own chaos and force it into order.

/One opinion. 

Ultimately, legality/GPL doesn't really enter into it - are you really going to sue them if they release it? Do they expect that, or would they just redistribute it regardless?

Frankly, if someone wants to work with you to make something awesome then they're very likely to respect your wishes and not distribute to the world before its ready. Sure, they might distribute it if you disappear off the face of the planet, but that should be considered a good thing in the potential event of your death.
Ultimately, you just have to trust them to respect your wishes. The only difference the GPL really makes is that they probably have your sourcecode too. Sure, they'd have a legal right to redistribute, but anyone who actually uses that right in this situation is basically a dick.


also: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#InternalDistribution
(I'm not entirely sure where it actually says that in the gplv2, but hey...)

Alternatively, you can distribute your non-derivative changes as a gpl-incompatible library. They can use+compile it themselves but as they can't relicense your code, they can't distribute the result. Obviously there's nothing physically stopping them from doing so anyway, or just violating your gpl-incompatible license too. I'm guessing you'd have a legal basis to sue them (I'm not a lawyer, so that's JUST a guess), but it still won't get you anywhere.

Frankly you're just going to have to trust them. Whether its gpl or proprietary doesn't really make any practical difference unless either you're rich+willing to sue(ie: you're a dick [for lack of a better word]), or they don't respect your wishes (they're dicks).
I know its much easier said than done, but just don't work with dicks. :)

The other option you have is to go with cross-engine standards like eg iqm. They can make the model work fine in some other engine, and you can then test that everything else works in your engine.
Standards are great for not bothering to create your own content. :)