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Should Shambler Be Banned From Creating Threads?
Yes or No will suffice.

Shambler is ungood.
 
well, where his threads had accual discussion on the topic of mapping and games and were well thought out... this isn't... I'd say Blitz should be banned from making threads. 
 
[20:04] <scampie> good thread Bl1tz
[20:04] <scampie> http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=16318
[20:04] <Bl1tz> oh thanks
[20:04] <Bl1tz> I am getting annoyed with Shambler's fucking stupid threads
[20:05] <Bl1tz> they are hurting my eyes
[20:05] <scampie> Bl1tz: read my reply you faggot
[20:05] <Bl1tz> oh
[20:05] <Bl1tz> hmm
[20:05] <scampie> jesus, that should have been posted in General Abuse
[20:05] <Bl1tz> you are a master orator
[20:05] <b|ff0|2> haha 
Blitz 
yes, lets remove all of shamblers gaming/mapping related threads immediately and replace them with crap like this! AWESOME IDEA!!!!!!!11elevenone!1 
Misunderstood Again. 
Please kill me. 
Compromise 
Threads stay, smiley faces go. 
... 
i think shambler should have varied the post icons some. there's too much happiness there now. :( 
Yes 
[nt] 
You Know What? 
Fuck you scampie. I haven't paid enough attention to your bullshit. I will laugh my ass off when you die sweating in some social situation where 100 people surround you and close in until you're so fucking nervous you can't breathe and you shit your pants and die of Asphyxiation. 
LOL 
I have no knowledge of the words needed to adequately describe the amount of rape and ownage blitz just performed!! 
>:( 
Please kill me.


I'm tempted, trust me... 
Hmm 
Right 
Haven't you people gone through all of this before? 
Scampie 
I think the word is 'actual' not 'accual.'

But who needs to spell correctly when you can just accuse other people of being stupid, and have everyone agree. 
Fuck Scampie 
I might not agree with this thread, but I don't have to flame someone over it. Get off your pedistal, no one cares. Blitz can voice his opinion just as much as the next guy, if you don't like it, fuck off and move along. 
Oh, Yes 
Now I remember. You have.

I'll get the snacks, you get the beer. 
Xl 
Get off your pedestal, no one cares. Scampie can voice his opinion just as much as the next guy. If you don't like it, fuck off and move along. 
Nice 
one 
BEEF! 
Blitz ur a cunt! 
Other Subject Please 
as long as Shambler won't post photo's but only starts toppics for others to do so, I guess he should....

my god what an honnour, your own damn-toppic!

and when it comes to staying at your own toppic at NewQ1bsp #197, I guess he shouldn't.. 
Hypocrisy Is An Ugly Thing 
Practice what you preach, Prod. 
Frib Face Is An Ugly Thing 
Suck it down bitch! 
Hmm 
Wow, what a truly witty retort prod. I think it really expresses the depths of your mind and talents. 
Lol 
lol, you're a fag non, haha. i love how you take everything suriously. lol. eat shit. 
So Let's Get This Thread On A Semidecent Topic... 
What makes a good thread here at func_qmap?

Blitz's full argument about Shambler's threads when I talked with him the other night on irc was that 'they're cliched and overdone' ideas. Fair enough, they are. But does that make them bad threads?

A thread is just a way of organizing topical discussion. A good thread will state it's topic, perhaps give an opinion, and leave room for others to give their ideas and discuss. Other qualifing aspects include it being on the board's encompassing topic of 'Level design', or being of interest to those hanging here.

On the flip side, a bad thread just throws out an off topic idea, a malicious flame, has no range for long term discussion/debate, or is just a plain jane question better answered in a preexisting thread.

Just becuase something has been discussed before doesn't make it less worthy of threadiness. On the contrary, it lets us look an the idea anew. Some of the same talk will go on, and if it's plain out dull and repeatitive, it'll fall by the wayside. Just think of this like thunderdome. or evolution. or whatever. 2 threads go in, 1 comes out. Survival of the strongest!

I do agree that something like the Beef thread or the 'where would you live in fps' are a bit on the ugly side... but let's just live with SOME positive discussion, rather than the lack of new we've had.

Discuss.
 
 
we should also discuss the closing of italic tags.. 
Cliched And Overdone?? 
Blitz your a total fucking tard. Was the lobotomy a partial or total success??

1. They are not cliched and overdone.
2. See one.

I haven't seen any threads here before on:

Where you'd like to live, gameplay length, effects of graphics in gameplay, or collecting all the beef in one place. The boss thread has been done before but as the current discussion shows, people are still interested in.

If you can prove otherwise by linking some qmap threads, go ahead. Otherwise, consider yourself proved utterly and thoroughly WRONG.

Scampie, please close this thread and let the fuckwit take it to the BEEF. 
 
I can't. Only metlslime can. 
Uhm 
Will all losers please shut up? thankyou. 
Wow, 
yo picked orange for your name like i did... far out 
Necros 
'yo picked orange for your name like i did... far out'

Branding goes against my hardcore ethos. Only plain default for me.

I'll try to make this my last post in this thread, it does deserve to die and drift back into the netherworld and it highly is unfair to the Shambler to post a purely derogatory post with his name. 
Shambler Et. Al 
Shambler I have nothing against you at all. In fact I love you in a non homo way. This thread is a gentle natured ribbing at you for posting like 6 threads in a row =) (I think scampie too k it a bit too seriously)

BUT it's also built from my frustration of the things we could be talking about instead, but always get shot down because someone spams it or something because it's too elaborate. People enjoy posting about 'Where would you live.' It's something fun and just kind of something to browse through fancifully.

We, as a "community," should be talking about things like the direction level editing is taking, (e.g. games like Far Cry don't let you use brushes in the editor, but rather you just sort of place prefabs) and whether or not the people who are making maps brush by brush are becoming as obsolete as the rotary phone.

Personally I think it's a crucial time for level editing and what it entails, but we never have that kind of depth in a discussion here.

Another issue that concerns me lately is diversity of gameplay on the PC in general. I don't think gameplay has changed at all in the past 20 years. With the amount of people we have working on games and the budgets we have, you'd think somebody, somewhere could successfully develop some kind of innovative mode of gameplay, and I'm not talking about innovative liek Deus Ex innovative where you just have hybrid genres.

People don't want to talk about these kinds of things though because they don't see how it has to do with Zdoom or doing a trick jump on aero.

The problem with threads like 'Where would you live in an FPS' or 'Playing Games Through' is that it just stagnates in the shooter genre. Don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with talking about shooters, but that topic has been done to death.

If we can get people thinking about FPS and gameplay and design on a higher level, who knows what will be possible in years to come?

A few people on this board are already professionals, and while I'm aware that an entry level gaming industry job doesn't allow them to have the most say in a project, my hope is that people like that, and people who could potentially be in a position like that, would see a thread that was really well thought out and developed and be moved to say "Hey, we're starting to fall into a rut in the FPS/Action genre, let's do something to really shake things up."

I know alot of people will say "oh it's just a board for modding/mapping games that are already established, we don't care about futhering gameplay or considering what 'real' level design consists of" and that's ok, I understand your position and why you enjoy threads like 'Where would you live in an FPS.'

It's just that sometimes I'm fed up with games and the industry, and I think some of the problem comes from intelligent gamers who have an ostrich mentality when it comes to existing games ( Let me bury my head in <insert FPS> making levels, developing add-ons and arguing which game character would defeat which character in a no holds barred K1 Deathmatch.)

In conclusion to this rambling post, I want to apologize for not communicating what I had to say in a more eloquent manner originally. I still think Shambler should slow down before he develops arthritis from click 'Submit thread', and I still think scampie is a DF.

Amen. 
 
so now your complaint is you had multiple better ideas for threads (which 2 days ago you claimed not to have when we chatted, besides the point, really), and rather than post them and show him up, you just made a thread telling us you didn't enjoy Shambler's? 
No. 
I'm not in it to show Shambler up, or anyone else.

I was giving examples of things that I would like to see talked about by individuals other than myself, because if you look at my post carefully, I'm opposed to starting such threads because a) many people will not give the threads the consideration I would like them to simply because I posted them.

B) I never claimed to have "better" ideas, I was just illistrating some of the things I think we could talk about instead of the norm.

OK? 
Okay I Stopped Reading Halfway Through The Essay... 
We, as a "community," should be talking about things like the direction level editing is taking, (e.g. games like Far Cry don't let you use brushes in the editor, but rather you just sort of place prefabs) and whether or not the people who are making maps brush by brush are becoming as obsolete as the rotary phone.

Personally I think it's a crucial time for level editing and what it entails, but we never have that kind of depth in a discussion here.

Another issue that concerns me lately is diversity of gameplay on the PC in general. I don't think gameplay has changed at all in the past 20 years. With the amount of people we have working on games and the budgets we have, you'd think somebody, somewhere could successfully develop some kind of innovative mode of gameplay, and I'm not talking about innovative liek Deus Ex innovative where you just have hybrid genres.


WELL WHY DON'T YOU BLOODY WELL START SOME THREADS ON THOSE TOPICS THEN??

For God's sake man it IS that simple. Click on "New Discussion Thread", think of a title, and stick something like "whether or not the people who are making maps brush by brush are becoming as obsolete as the rotary phone" in the main text. Done. 
Why Not? 
Okay I Stopped Reading Halfway Through the Essay

People don't want to hear what I have to say. You think if I started a thread like that, 2 minutes later you, RPG, scampie, etc. wouldn't post "yeah whatever blitz stfuxxxx drunk asshole homophobe racist Amerikkkan dickhead"

Please. I'm tired of sifting through fluff threads for something interesting, but I'm really fucking tired of pretending like anything I say matters and that I could ever post something interesting without taking flak from the dickheads that be.

The truth is you're all happy with your fucking "Which FPS Gun is the 1337es7?!" threads. 
Hmm 
You get stupid posts in forum threads?!? OMG!

Welcome to the 'net Blitz (please leave your coat to the left and try to ignore the retards). 
Lack Of Proper Discussion? 
You think if I started a thread like that, 2 minutes later you, RPG, scampie, etc. wouldn't post "yeah whatever blitz stfuxxxx drunk asshole homophobe racist Amerikkkan dickhead"

I never said you were racist.

...

But seriously, I try to keep any abuse that I spout to #terrafusion. If you want to discuss something, go to Func and I'll discuss it.

Now, I do think there are many people around here who, for whatever reason, cannot or will not discuss deeper threads. Is it because of laziness, ignorance, or apathy? I don't know. Gilt usually makes discussion threads that have a lot of potential, but those are also the threads that get the fewest posts. I myself am guilty of not posting in them.

Recently, Gilt asked people to list games they played which they thought were original ( http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=15260&start=23 ). Nobody ever gave a response listing original games -- that includes you, Blitz. I'm not saying a lack of proper discussion is in anyway your fault, because it lays on all of us; however, the first one to start making those threads and posting genuine discussion material in them will get +12 cookie points. 
Well 
"Recently, Gilt asked people to list games they played which they thought were original ( http://www.celephais.net/board/vie... ). Nobody ever gave a response listing original games "

I posted about that movie-making game molyneux is making that I thought was original. Does that count? 
Zwiffle 
Technically not, since you haven't played it. However, if I had remembered your post when I wrote that, I would have counted it. 
Hmm 
apathy (I would expand this post more, but I can't be bothered BA-BOOM-CHI) 
Oh Ok 
Just wondering. 
Rpg And Blitz 
rpg;
fuck your mother, I totally broke character and wrote several paragraphs in gilt's thread, because the topic got me going and it was totally worth spending five minutes talking about it. did you even read the damn thread? it was one of the more productive ones in recent func history. so again with the fornication of your closest maternal ancestor.

blitz;
this is why I ask you to endorse my candidature. Free speech is a bitch. You implement it, fully expecting deep and thoughtful debate, individuals engaging in an exchange of ideas to broaden the mind and bring us forward together. What do we get? Baywatch and FOX news, monster trucks and the XFL. See my point?

I'm all for bitching and moaning, don't get mne wrong, but I always expect to be called on it. And it's not my fault most of the tools around here seldomly does. 
Agreed 
Wrath: your posts (among others) were worthwhile, but most were not related to what Gilt asked. Moreover, if you look at the time span between when Gilt asked the question and when he got a response it was three days later. If you and everyone else had so much to say, why didn't you say it sooner? It wasn't until I revived the thread that metlslime came along with a response, which prompted you to post.

Also, I don't recall citing you as being a waste of space. I said there are "many people... here" who don't contribute. And when I mentioned "a lack of proper discussion" I was obviously not refering to that thread.

So, since you're so upset that I didn't actually insult you, how about this: fuck you, and fuck the homo you rode in on. 
Rpg. 
First off,
fuck you, and fuck the homo you rode in on.
I, as well as I'm sure are Shambler, are insulted by this, and while you think about that I'll be over here shitting in your shoes.

Second,
If you and everyone else had so much to say, why didn't you say it sooner?
I don't always sit around hammering f5 on this train-wreck of a message board just so I can be the first one to piss in all y'all's upturned gullets. And that is because frankly, It's not all that bad to wait with jumping into a thread until you're sure you can not only read it, understand it and, if need be, post a reply.

The short answer being, I have a life, jackass. 
There's 
And "are" in there that didn't make it to "am"-school. Also, an "i" with Napoleon-complex. 
Should Shambler Be Banned From Creating Threads? 
No. 
 
orange is cool 
Yay 
insert quote about ELEK's dog liking h2O while below a certain temperature. 
Nono, 
cause HeadThump was objecting to colours:
Branding goes against my hardcore ethos. Only plain default for me.
so i thought i should point out that orange is cool. 
 
It should be pointed out, Peej was the first, and best, orange colored nick. 
Black, White Were All I Could See In My Infancy 
Grey is the color that rules my world.

Orange is young full of daring
But very unsteady for the first go round 
Shambler Firzt... 
(W)Hide is Shamblers favourite colour,
reason why he cannot be banned from threads.., 
You Like Resurrecting Threads? 
 
Madfox 
quit resurrecting old stinky threads please
this sucks 
Vondur Is Correct 
and what was that guy thinking? Maynard and Hendrix really don't belong in the same entry. That was awfull. 
Scampz0rx 
Scampie wrote:
A thread is just a way of organizing topical discussion. A good thread will state it's topic, perhaps give an opinion, and leave room for others to give their ideas and discuss.

...and that's precisely, why you wanted to delete my thread, although it passed all conditions you have mentioned here? 
 
you left off Other qualifing aspects include it being on the board's encompassing topic of 'Level design', or being of interest to those hanging here. plus ignored the fact that your thread was just a question, not a topic of discussion, so none of the conditions you mentioned are applicable.

and quit bumping old threads. jesus. 
Bump Bump 
lol i just read this thread and decided to write a message!

Peace y'All! 
Haha 
the thread that will never die! 
I Think 
we should ban all users from posting anything but icons to make the discussions more interetsing. 
 
 
Starbuck 
your post #61 is very insteresting=) 
 
 
 
 
No Title 
how do you post without a title? I can't get it to work. 
Kinn: 
Just use a space as a character. That makes it stop whining.

It caused problems with the search function on the old QMap though, so I refuse to use it. 
 
thanks RPG. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Buffalo Feta Cheese 
Because anti-trendies will be the trendsetters of tomorrow!

(And it's really flavourful. I know. Tried some last week. Mediterranean Food Warehouse.) 
Fatty... 
...ruined it =( 
FC !!??!! 
 
Noob 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Wiggly Butt Crackers 
I like Fat Controller's example. I shall follow him instead. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
I Think... 
it's obvious *I* should be banned from creating threads -- this would never happen in a Shambler thread =) 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
metlslime please close this thread 
Scampie 
Do you really want to hush people who have so much things to say ??? 
 
 
 
 
 
stfu 
Wtf 
bbq 
I Give This Thread Life! 
hmmmm, haven't checked the site for some time, but I see that nothing has changed around here. 
Forgot Something... 
This November, vote Vondur for world domination! 
But ELEK 
I'll be giving you the opportunity to vote Vondur for world domination much, much sooner! 
:D 
:D 
Daz 
couldn't have said it better. 
Omg 
omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg

(cheese)(cheese)(cheese) 
 
i would prefer RPG for world domination, is that allowed? 
I Dont See.. 
...rpg as a very dominant person.... more of a switch. 
Why Do You Want To Replace Satan Anyway? 
 
Hmm 
He's outdated and technologically redundant 
I See Your Point 
I think Satan saw it coming a long time ago.
When they exploded the atom bomb in the New Mexico desert and Robert Oppenheimer was muttering that infamous power fantasy ('I have become Death, the destroyer of worlds') Satan stood their and said, 'Bob, You fuckers are going to put me out of business.' 
On That Note 
I was reminded of that great Albert Einstein quote:

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

This thread kicks arse. 
 
any of you guys see the einstein pic where he is sticking out his tongue?

http://images.google.com/images?q=einstein%20tongue&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi 
 
yeah, OH yeah 
 
Hehe. 
He Leaves Us A Clue 
yeah, OH yeah

Is what the Kool-Aid guy use to say when he crashed through walls. 
I've Solved It! 
The man leaving these messages is Professor Plum in the solarium with the rope! Now if I can just figure out what a solarium is I'll go catch the bastard. 
If We Catch Him, 
what are we going to do with him? 
 
cover him in bees and feed him to Shambler 
 
solarium:

A room, gallery, or glassed-in porch exposed to the sun.


but... i dont think it was with the rope!! 
Bees 
bleh, they're pwning me atm.
i hate bees now. 
Definitively 
Y E S ;) 
Jpl 
shutup u

go make your interesting thread if you can 
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