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Good model Chillo!
It's a bit rougher than the original, as it comes out to be more solid.
I miss the gunflare.
Qmle has a poor grid (512x512?).
When scaling a model down to get it fit in qmle, it often has given me a jiggled size. Then I tried to start them the right size, so small movements don't get scattered.
Thank you for the tips and demos
Yes, there appears to be some jiggling (Seinfeld reference).
I may need to rework the model completely. It wouldn't be too big of a deal. Right now, I'm remaking the fiend, and making sure the vertex wobbling doesn't occur any worse than the original model.
If that model comes out looking solid, I'll apply that technique to redoing the enforcer.
Thank you all for the support and suggestions!
Apart From The Skating.
That is cool as usual :)
That shotgun reload is very smooth. Great stuff:)
Agree with Shambler about the skating... loving each update. Cannot wait for this.
Glad You Guys Dig It
I'm using func_train for lighting tests. feet will get dialed in when working on the actually entity.
Cannot wait for this.
you and me both!
BETA: The Dreaded Dreadbase Of Dread
some time ago I wrote a tool to mass-convert directories with textures to Quake .wad files (https://github.com/maikmerten/QuakeTextureTool). One of the texture sets I applied this to were the textures from FreeDoom.
Clearly, I had to try these textures in a map.
The result (I still consider this unfinished, but playable - a *beta*) is "The dreaded dreadbase of dread". This is my first Quake map, so I'm not sure if it is a) somewhat fun and b) if the difficulty is roughly okay. I can breeze through this thing quite easily, but then again this map offers no surprises for me.
(Includes sources, the .bsp and .lit).
I'd be interested to know if this is something that can be salvaged into an enjoyable map.
For the most part I do like the textures. I am kind of a wad fiend so will look at them in more detail.
The map was fun and very good for a first map.I must say it's probably too easy on Skill 1 because I am a pretty crappy player as you can see if you ever watch any demos. I was playing this at work with a trackball so sorry for the herky-jerky movement. I was playing very cautiously so I only died once. 2 demos here:
I gave you some notes in the demo but I want to add that i think there are too many crates. This is a very doom-y map - and that's fine but add some interesting details to your base. Also the stairs are kinda bland at the moment. Maybe some side with interesting textures and such.
Play Arcane Dimensions: Critical Error map for the pinnacle of base map design. (IMO) It may be some inspiration for you. Here's a 'tube but I recommend it. Fun, crazy map.
Congrats and make sure and update us on the next version or final.
Sorry. I just happened to notice the link above was a shortcut to the demo zip. Here's the correct zip file with my demos for your base1 map.
Wow, thanks a lot for your playthrough and demos! This is extremely helpful!
I agree on the crates - a cheap way to fill room without clear purpose since 1993. I need to reduce the overall count of those...
I hope freedoom.wad is useful - all credit to the FreeDoom texture artists, of course!
No worries. That's what func is all about.
not fair using a replacement grunt model to make your engine look better :)
Ha! Retroquad's MDL renderer still sucks anyway.
Besides, better is subjective. I'm sure a fair number of people will think my engine is just weird.
Also, what I actually wanted to write instead of the parenthesis was "Quakespasm screenshot for reference", to tell which engine was the hardware-accelerated screenshot from, but Twitter's 140 character limit wouldn't allow. It wasn't my intention to sound unkind or to be unfair.
By the way, IIRC I've put all replacement models into a pak11.pak file, but most engines won't load non-sequential .pak files. Either that, or that model is in the test mod dir which I use to test Retroquad.
The map isn't exactly the same either, the one in the Retroquad screenshots was recompiled with lit water. That's also why the shadow in the ceiling above the stairs is smoother.
is it different than quakespasm/MarkV's "contrast" cvar? (I'm not sure how it's implemented in MarkV, but in Quakespasm contrast is just a multiplier applied to the framebuffer; every R/G/B value is multiplied by the value of "contrast", has gamma applied to it, then is clamped at 255. Pretty sure the output is the same as MarkV.) I'm guessing from the "pal_" cvar name, you're manipulating the palette.
I think features like this are great for playing on laptops / under non-ideal lighting. Turning up "gamma" very far just results in a grey washed out mess.
Shots Look Pretty Good
a bit plain, sparse etc but I like the general vibe. Would recommend being careful with the coloured lighting.
New Grunt Model
especially like the more gaunt look with the skinnier arms - like he's shrunk as he became zombified and now the armour is too big for him.
I think it's cool that you're working on redoing some Quake models. Would be interesting to see some unique creations rather than recreations.
Finally They're Equipped With Shotguns!
Liking the emaciated looking grunt model! Also, actually seeing the corrupted soldier wear a measly shotgun instead of the futuristic looking rifle of the vanilla model really adds to the picture of the soldier having become more or less a brain-dead zombie.
Looks Great Chillo!
I wouldn't want to see those grunts down a dark corridor yikes!
The Grunt's Eyes Remind Me
I'm really enjoying doing the Quake remodeling right now, and it's helping me brush up on 3D art. I do have a whole list of original monster ideas that I plan to get to once this project is finished.
Found an elephantalk
Which Instrument(s) Would This One Play?
It's like a Delek mutated by some kind of infestation.
Whats that fro madfox?
DJing On 6 Decks From The Look Of It.
Dj tentacle b2b2b2b2b dj tentacle.
What order does a quake monster have to be?
That was the question that came up to me.
Keeping in mind quake monsters are rather gaga and comick-like they do tend to a darker behaviour like creeping freaks.
My personal feeling is there could be any kind of creatures, at least as it is low poly, has a hazard potential danger, and does not meet the reasonable forms of civilized beings.
At least that's my opinion.
No problem with Bender, MrBig, or JackJazz.
It's just a temperary study in func_cloth function. Animation of secundary movements like swing & balance are rather hard and time consuming to attach by hand.
A "cloth_attach" is a computed weight counter, that gives the model its gravity forces. That way the tentacles move in a natural state, without adding all perticular states by hand.
So I took an OldOne look alike, turned it upside down and started to give it some random movements.
When finished it looks like an elelphant snail.
It has aptitude for music, moves like a starfish, like to puzzle cryptograms, and gives explanations for its behaviour.
widow model and lighting test
after a recent string of failures I decided to revisit my fist enemy design... and it turned out pretty good! I really like the classic ghastly look, very creepy. her speed and evasive maneuvers should make for a tense fight. I'll probably regret giving her articulated hair (6 segments per hair leaf!) but it should look pretty sweet.
learned a lot about blender and modeling in general with this one: alpha channels (hair, teeth), multiple texture layers (super flexible!), vertex groups, masking, etc. lots of valuable knowledge here that will be very useful going forward (and repainting the previous models).
@chillo - looks good :D
@madfox - did you make that or is it from something else? my inner japanese school girl is frightened.
She looks great man. Super creepy. And that RL... sweet.
wish I could take credit for the RL. it's from DN3D and being used as a placeholder.
Yup Creepiness Confirmed.
Updated BETA: The Dreaded Dreadbase Of Dread
I took the liberty of updating the beta for The Dreaded Dreadbase of Dread.
- fewer crates, trying to compensate with more interesting architecture
- tweaked enemy placement
- more sophisticated secrets
There still are some areas I'm not happy with regarding how sparse they are, but I think this should be a nice update regarding the previous beta.
If someone finds time to record some demos, that'd be awesome!
i'll try to record a demo
but i'm pretty limited to explain my expession
Re: Updated Dreaded Dreadbase Of Dread
Just noclipped through briefly, and there are some definite improvements. The brushwork is much more interesting visually. The staircases look a lot better, and it's particularly good how you've broken up some of the large grey swathes with tech details and/or rusty browns, and some more detailed brushwork, e.g. in the first room. The map can use more of that: there is still a lot of monotone grey, and those grey textures really only come into their own when thrown into contrast with e.g. brown/techy textures.
The boiler-like rusty structure you added in the second room is also very nice, not only for the above reasons, but also because it immediately makes the place seem more real and less like a game level, by hinting at mechanical processes going on in the background and a function that the place may have, other than simply being a space for the player to traverse. Plus, by adding chunky structures into otherwise wide open spaces, you're immediately making the gameplay more dynamic, by giving the player ways to break line of sight (which is invaluable in a map with many hitscan enemies like grunts, in my opinion) and opening up ways of engaging with monsters. I'd say the map could use a lot more of that as well, as the spaces are still very, well, spacious.
It's good that you reduced the number of crates, and the remaining crates often fulfil the above gameplay purpose (breaking up large spaces) -- but they still don't look that good in my opinion. I don't think the crate texture and the square brushwork are interesting enough to be used as such a prominent element. The map would be improved if you replaced more of the crates with architecture -- e.g. mechanical structures or pillars instead of a row of neatly stacked crates in the middle of a room. You could then still plonk in a couple of crates here and there for extra visual detail/extra diversification of space afterwards.
I saw what I assume to be new secret areas; those look enticing. At some point I need to play through the map properly and find them. :)
TLDR: Very nice changes, but I'd say take it even further.
Also: it's interesting to see your progress. It looks like you're just replacing the download and the screenshots as you update. I tried to go back to the earlier screenshots you posted for a side by side comparison, but they turned out to have been replaced by shots of the updated map. This is kind of a pity; it would be great if you could rename the updates something else, e.g. base1v2/v3/etc. or something. Just my 2 cents. :)
@spy And @former_total_newbie
@spy, thanks for your willingness to give the map a try!
Thanks for you quick look - I agree that there's more to be done. I often find that it takes quite a while and much experimentation to come up with interesting brush shapes - I guess I'll need a few more iterations until the boxy feel of some locations is fixed.
Yeah, I was foolish enough to not keep old screenshots around. So, I created new screenshots of beta1 and beta2 in areas with significant changes: http://maikmerten.de/base1/comparisons/
here's the skill3 demo
i liked a lighting very much, the gameplay itself
was around the id maps
Wow, your demo is very useful! You're certainly playing quite differently from how I approach things (great jumping skills!) and I now see that some encounters don't always work out as intended.
For instance, it never occurred to me that one can simply cheese out of the Shambler fight by leaving the arena, I always go in guns blazing. But then again I don't play on skill 3 ;-)
Also never noticed that the Shalrath doesn't trigger when staying in the elevator.
Seems the secrets are too obscore. They are marked visually and/or via geometry, but it appears it's too easy to miss them.
I wonder why you seem to dislike the lighting gun. Does it make things too easy?
Thanks four your kind remarks regarding the lighting. I spend quite some effort on tweaking lighting to my liking, and your comments enforce my impression that lighting is, indeed, very important.
I'm a bit of a drrunkkk, to explain some thing prroperly, sorry
speaking of a secrets - i'm failed its plain and simple
about the shaft, it seems i have missed the super nailgun, but i'm strongly believing there ain't no need for a lighting fgun(Sorry for my broken engleesh)
overall , it is a great map to starting on (Sorry for my broken engleesh2)
Shots Look Nice
sparsity not always a bad thing. some good little touches here and there.
Reccomendations>>> maybe non wood crate texture? JF2 texture pack or whatever by Metl has some nice basey ones that might fit well. That one for the oblivion mod? Someone please clarify if you could
re shot 3 having some trim around the holes through which the big columns recede would be a bit more visually pleasing.
one other way to break up monotony, eg in shot 4, might be some recessed computers or vents in between the panels. Again could mine the aforementioned wad, or even rubicon2 for some that might work there.
can't comment as to gameplay, sorry!
New Demon Model
Personally I don't think a fiend would be so gaunt, specifically around the biceps. They need to look as though they're capable of smashing through armour with a single eviscerating blow.
Where Are Eyes?
...here we go again
its "bicep" could be bigger, but overall looks great. Also what about adding some blood to the ends of its claws?
Claws Paws And Maw
Then again it would explain why the poor feller is starving. Ya beef up the biceps a bit, and feed the poor guy and he'll be grand. I love fiends! Looks neat.
Looks Perfect As Is
... except yeah blood claws.
lil biceps work for me.
The more gaunt appearance works for me, because it seems like the fiend hasn't eaten in a while, which in my mind makes it more wretched/dangerous.
I don't think I like it as a fiend replacement, but it has the beginnings of an interesting monster -- maybe an additional variety on the fiend? The thinner claws make it look a little like a bird carcass or a Half-Life headcrab in-game, which is unsettling (in a good way). If it had a faster clawing animation than the fiend, I could see it becoming a nicely terrifying monster.
The whitish hooves look fine in the editor shot, but in-game it looks like the fiend is wearing white running shoes. The open mouth during the attack animation also doesn't work for me aesthetically.
I can adjust the biceps, maybe adjust the coloring on the hooves. Adding blood will probably help as well.
I'll also see if I can adjust the mouth during the attack animations. Make it more subtle.
Thanks for the feedback, everyone!
I can adjust the biceps, maybe adjust the on the hooves. Adding blood will probably help as well.
I'll also see if I can adjust the mouth during the attwck animations. Make it more subtle.
Thanks for the feedback, everyone!
Can you adjust the eyes, to make them exist?
I Mean, He's Not Wrong
Never understood the eyes vs no eyes Fiend argument myself. At least the Shambler's fuzziness is questionable enough to be worth arguing about (including two opposing official stances, A. Carmack saying it's flesh and Romero saying it's a shaggy yeti coat), but this isn't 1973, it's easy enough to open up the pak files and look at the Fiend's texture and gaze into its piercing yellow eyes
. Yes, there's an extra bit at the top that, if applied, removes the eyes, but it's unused in-game (as everyone should damn well know because we're not barbarians playing with texture filtering enabled making the eyes impossible to distinguish anyway, right?).
Those Aren't Eyes,
they're turn signals.
Shamblers Are Fleshy
Fiends have eyes
Vores are called vores
Spawns are called spawns
Scrags are called scrags, have eyes, and are fleshy.
The Shamblers Are Also Farting A Lot
Dude, why not adding a spiky cock under your fiend model? That kind of long and thin spike that kills a butt!
Again, I think I like the concept art more than the model. The texture is very clean/flat and I think the enemy design is kind of homogeneous so far. It's good to keep in mind the silhouettes when designing a character
Plus I think more colour variation would help make the different enemies stand out even more. :)
@chillo - I agree with the advice given here so far. In-game his arms look small and awkward rather than intimidating. Otherwise, he's very cool and still a sweet model nonetheless!
@qmaster - I thought shamblers had matted fur?
@fifth - useful feedback, thanks! I think they can be pushed more in their shape and paint job as well. They're a bit bland atm. There will be much more diversity/stylization among the remaining ten enemies :D
Shamblers and scrags have similar skin. Scrags don't have fur.
Shamblers have sinewy features in their skin texture, notably on their right arm and thighs. This looks more like skin stretched over a gaunt bone structure (similar to a scrag or vore).
Shambler is derivative of a Lovecraftian Dimensional Shambler, which is definitely NOT a yeti.
I Prefer My Fiends Eyeless.
@killpixel whatever you do, just do it; explode! your talent is exponential. Then back-step and pick up the bigger pieces. You do good work. stop worrying about the now. you will, kick ass when you meet your goal.
Shamblers have shaggy hair, matted with the blood of their victims. The hair around their claws gets singed when they charge up their lightning bolt which produced a sulphurous odour that follows them around.
Fiends have vestigial eyes inherited from whatever lowly wretch Quake corrupted many millennia ago, but the once vibrant orange glow has been lost as the eyeballs have receeded in to the skull and the horns (once standing proud and vertical atop their head) have migrated down to obscure them further, making their charge attack all the more deadly. Who needs to see in Quake's gloomy halls, especially when you're a mere puppet of some omniscient ancient evil?
Scrags have a faintly transparent, pallid reptilian skin, and they can turn incorporeal to move through walls.
But real Quake fans know all that already, so I don't even know why I wrote it really.
From: Adrian Carmack <email@example.com>
Subject: Re: Shambler: Fur or no fur?
Short Bristly Porcine Fur HTH.
Your Face Is Porcine HTH.
@qmaster - interesting. Apparently It's confirmed by adrian carmack as well. I will do my best to unsee the fur :/
@r00k - Thanks r00k, I appreciate it :D I'll take your advice.
So I've added more blood, beefed up the biceps a little bit, and darkened the hooves.
I've also added eyes. There's no question that the fiend has eyes, they're just so subtle that I didn't think it would matter.
Please let me know what you think now.
BETA: Shifting Planes Of Existence
I'm still fairly new to this forum (and Quake mapping in general) so I'm just following the convention set by SavageX regarding the format of Beta posts.
So I finally got around to finish my first beta version of a quake map. It's pretty rough around the edges, it's currently only balanced for "normal" difficulty and the artpass is absolutely not done for the time being, but I really want to make sure the gameplay is at least tolerable before giving it some visual polish.
It is a medium sized map, takes about 20-30 minutes to complete, with 106 monsters and nine secrets. Its main gimmick revolves around button-operated dynamic "planes".
(Includes .bsp and .lit. Requires Qouth)
2nd screenshot is very moody! Nice!
Looks Like Some Good Styles.
Nice lighting in 1 and 2. Lighting in 3 and 4 is a bit flat / bright.
Textures in 2 and 4 are a bit OTT with that repeating grille. 3 could do with something to break up the walls.
I'll let someone else do the gameplay :)
The Gameplay Is What This Map Is All About
Some feedback (possible spoilers):
Played through a sizeable chunk of the map but got stuck at the big fight in that arena-like area with the silver key door, where you fight several waves of monsters. I'd still like to finish, but I can write what I thought so far (before I forget what I think).
The "moving planes" gimmick is really nice, and it's effectively introduced at the beginning of the map, in a relatively simple space, before things get more complex.
The secrets are fun; I've found 6 out of 9 so far. I really like the way they utilise the main mechanic of the map, although I was in pretty much every instance surprised that I had found a secret, as I thought I was just going where the map directed me. But that might just be because of my play style; I like exploration-heavy gameplay.
I find that the map can get pretty confusing and disorientating fast. This might partly be intentional, but I think it would still help if the player can get their bearings more easily. That would arguably also make the unconventional means of traversing the map (i.e. by means of the shifting planes) more impressive: "Oh, I'm here now!" instead of "err, am I somewhere else or back in the same spot?". I would suggest using the detail pass not just for visual polish, but also visually to differentiate the various areas more.
I have two things to say about the arena/horde/wave fight where I'm currently stuck:
The first thing, which is probably a matter of preference/play style, is that I really don't like it. It's too hard and it seems to go on forever, and it's the kind of thing that's been done to death. The rest of the map was so interesting; to have to plough through yet another cliched over-the-top fight was a real let-down. It doesn't make use of the unique mechanic either -- it's just a bog standard wave fight. I don't know, if nothing else, maybe tone it down and shorten it somewhat, at least for normal and easy? I realise other players might have the exact opposite opinion, though.
The second thing is about the messages, and it applies if if you disregard my criticism above. I'm guessing each wave --or at least certain monsters in each wave-- trigger the start of the next wave. That in and of itself is not a bad way of doing things, but the messages to the player ("there are more to go", "only x more to go", "sequence completed") are a bad idea in this instance. What happens in practice is that you're in the middle of this chaotic battle, where you're killing monsters left and right -- and since this is Quake, they're killing one another too, in which case the player does not see any messages. And then seemingly at random, you see these messages: "only three more to go"; "sequence completed"; "there are more to go"; "sequence completed", etc. But there is no clear objective and no sequence to complete that the player is aware of, so it all just comes across as random gibberish.
Overall, though, this is the start of a really great map, I think. I hope some other people give you feedback too and I am excited to see the final version. No demo, sorry. I always get stage fright when recording demos and then can't play as I normally would.
...continued (more spoilers):
Ok, I got impatient and just godmoded through that fight. Hmm, I guess that was the end -- except for then having to jump over platforms over an instakill void to then be surprised by spawns. I didn't mind the platform jumping, but those spawns just add insult to injury.
So yeah, a really annoying end to an otherwise really engaging map.
That reminds me: there is a staircase that would lead up to the blue key-door arena, were it not for a doorway that's blocked by vertical bars. And that staircase has pockets of instakill void on either side. This is also a bad idea I think. It looks more like a potential secret area shrouded in darkness (in fact, I jumped in on purpose and then of course died) -- which would be more interesting and less annoying than those two pockets of instant death.
To reiterate, overall this is really great. There are just certain things that detract from the experience in my opinion.
I noclipped around after I finished and saw that there are some areas I missed completely -- presumably connected to the secrets I missed, or maybe just optional extra areas. I'm tempted to play again and try and uncover the entire map, but part of me wants to wait for the final version so as not to spoil it for myself.
This is an incredible concept. How long has building this map taken you so far?
I haven't finished playing it yet, but like former_total_newbie, I wanted to write this down before I forget.
The whole map feels like I'm inside a giant mechanical puzzle, trying to find the right sequence of switches to move on to the next area.
Is this going to be a void map? I'm curious, because at this point you don't die in the beginning if you fall off the edge into blackness.
The initial view at the beginning is rather unremarkable. I'm sure you intend to add more visuals to represent it as the outside of the complex/fortress/puzzle.
I really enjoy the feel of the level. Despite the texture set being familiar, this level gives Quake a new and somewhat unrecognizable impression during play.
My favorite part so far is of course trying to fit into the openings of the falling platforms. One thing that would be cool to see, and I don't know if this is possible, is to create divisions in the platforms depending on which opening you choose to fit though, since some of the plats have more than one way to get through. This could maybe lead the player through a completely different route through the level than if he were to choose a different opening to squeeze through. Not sure if I am conveying this accurately.
Overall a great map so far, and one that I feel would get even less-than-avid players back into Quake to try it out. Awesome work!
Shifting Planes Of Existence
The gameplay is cool. The map corridors are boring, though. For this kind of stuff, I would expect more "weirdness" in the geometry and details. It's not "out of this world" enough (i.e Lovecraftian).
Maybe darker ?
Now in 3D!
Anyway, that's it for sneak peek stuff until the demo is out; I don't want to spoil all the cool stuff. Keep your eyes peeled q1/q2 2018...
Thanks For The Feedback
I'm so grateful for all the great feedback I have received so far.
I agree that the ending is pretty weak atm. I'll probably replace the final arena with some kind of puzzle section.
I'm already in the process of addressing most of the other issues you mentioned.
The earliest saved version I can find is from September (it was initially meant to be a submission for Jam 9).
I get what you're saying about the openings in the platforms leading to different paths (and I think I know how to implement such a feature) but I think it's sadly beyond the scope of this project.
I know this probably won't sway your decision, but I loved the sprite weapons.... maybe it's a bit anachronistic but I love the character they can add to the screen, really charming when done well.
That said, your overall aesthetic is really consistent and good so I'm sure you'll put all the pieces together nicely. Look forward to the demo!
Woo hoo. Cannot wait. Your hard work is going to pay off.
@starbuck - I loved the sprites too and thanks :D Looks like Ion Maiden will deliver big time for those of us needing a sprite fix.
@dumptuck - thank you, sir.
I Lied A Little
coachgun test animation
thought I'd go ahead and share this last thing because the gun has already been spoiled and it's a personal milestone, so I'm all giddy. Anims are in rough form atm, especially the initial pickup. all sounds can be ignored too (they're just carryovers from the sprite version).
Wow. in actual (3D) viewmodel. functioning. in the game. :D :D :D
again: cannot wait
can you talk a bit about the lighting. It's subtle but perfectly creepy and dark. Is that ericw's tools or DP?
Haven't commented on any of killpixel's work but it's all magnificent. Really, really good models and animations, can't wait to see it all in action, and eventually play it myself.
really nice ammo-loaded indicator, it's really subtle yet effective
also really like the fading (heat?) on the side of the barrel. It's a nice touch.
Still Shugging Along...
Bored of having boring flat walls? Nothing some fancy new flat screen TVs cannot fix! http://maikmerten.de/base1/randomscreens/base1-monitors.jpg
Having trouble finding your silver key? Just add some subtle lighting fixtures where you put it! http://maikmerten.de/base1/randomscreens/base1-find-the-key.jpg
The lighting is looking great!
One little suggestion: use angle and softangle on those spot lights to soften up the edges
From erics tools docs:
Specifies the angle in degrees for a spotlight cone. Default 40.
Specifies the angle in degrees for an inner spotlight cone (must be less than the "angle" cone. Creates a softer transition between the full brightness of the inner cone to the edge of the outer cone. Default 0 (disabled).
Thanks for liking the lighting - I think getting that aspect right is usually effort well spent :-)
I usually happen to like high-contrast spotlights. For instance, I'm quite happy with those: http://maikmerten.de/base1/randomscreens/happy-with-those-cones.jpg
In-game, these high-contrast cones nearly have a "volumetric" feel to them that depends on sharply defined edges.
In some places the spotlights struggle with lightmap resolution, though - I shall certainly try _softangle there to avoid an overly jagged look there - so thanks for the suggestion!
It's really coming together. Great work and really smart additions.
Yeah, this is getting markedly better with every iteration.
I was wondering when we were getting another update on the Dreadbase of Dread.
Thanks for those comparison shots you posted last time, by the way; those were really nice. Please don't delete them, and maybe you could do something similar again?
@dumptruck - It's Q3map2 :D That test map is relatively dark. The outside portion where I have the enemy models is supposed be the dark of evening. The game itself has creepy lighting but is overall fairly well lit. Think quake's third episode. All the weapons, enemies, items, keyed doors, switches, and POIs have some sort of glowing bit to help mitigate the negative impact of moody lighting.
@lpowell - thanks, I can't wait for you to play it either.
@shambler - yeah, I'm pleased with the ammo indicators. They're a no-brainer in retrospect, but when I made the sprite version of the gun I was dissatisfied with the busy symbol on the back that was right in your face though it didn't have a purpose. Not sure why it didn't occur to me then...
@dumptruck_ds And @former_total_newbie
I'll try to have some nice comparisons with previous iterations of the map. In worst case I can just always include the old .bsp and .lit files for the curious to explore :)
here is another iteration of The Dreaded Dreadbase of Dread: http://maikmerten.de/base1/base1-beta3.zip
And some comparison shots:
Personally, I think that emotion is what makes us truly human, which is why I extended the exit area to present an emotional feat to the player: You'll encounter a beloved old friend! To ensure I don't spoil things, here's a screenshot that I processed to keep the surprise intact: http://maikmerten.de/base1/beta3_5.jpg
(the new exit area is still rather raw, but should still be a nice improvement over just running into the exit trigger)
There are other tweaks (e.g. regarding entity placement) that are hard to show on screenshots - I recommend experiencing things in-game ;-)
BETA: New Version Of Shifting Planes
The biggest change between this version (a2) and the previous is the removal of the final battle. Instead, I have added a sequence more akin to the one with the falling ceiling platforms. Besides that, there are a number of other small changes which hopefully improves navigation through the map.
Still no artpass, but I do have some ideas I'm excited to implement in the next (and hopefully last) version.
(Includes movplan_a2.bsp and .lit. Requires Qouth)
RE: Dreadful Beta3
Recorded a demo yesterday:
Otherwise, I don't have much else to add. It was a fun and frantic map.
I got the following error in the console: "Host_error: Cannot find maps/excavation.bsp". I don't know if it's related to your map tho.
I like how you can find the secrets using the sound from the teleporters (that's how I found the second secret). Found the third one after the recording by noclipping, and I kind of think it would be more interesting if it was a twist on the shootable secret wall formula like the second secret (e.g. the top of a generator is a secret wall), instead of being a repetition of the first secret.
Thanks for the demo and for testing in FTE :-)
It's good to know you perceived things as "fun" and "frantic" - in the end what matters is that things are enjoyable.
I see that the Shambler fight just doesn't work out as planned. Instead of chasing the player around (to make it more difficult for the player to hide behind one of the pillars), the additional enemies tend to get into an infight with the Shambler, which actually makes things easier for the player.
Yeah, I'm not very creative regarding hiding the secrets. I want to be consistent (so the trained eye can spot them without axing every single wall) and not overly random. I'll see if I can remix the formula a bit for the third secret, so things don't get boring.
The error message at the end of the level is normal - this map was/is intended as part of a short stand-alone (not depending on Quake assets) single player campaign with the silly name "Zernichter" (https://github.com/maikmerten/zernichter). Basically you'd fight your way through a base (base1) up to the surface, where you'd find an excavation site (excavation.bsp - not nearly finished) uncovering a gateway into a demonic realm. There (in a hell-themed third map) you'd try to stop the demonic invasion.
Short and stupid story arch, but of manageable scope. I'm slowly progressing through getting the maps together, releasing them for Quake first. Then I may package them as free/libre stand-alone game (perhaps extending the arch a bit), but currently the liberally licensed assets I can use are of... limited... quality, so that would require a team-effort, e.g., with someone who can create models :-)
Played through this one, as opposed to just noclipping around. Somewhat sleep-deprived, so I hope I'm able to make sense.
Spoilers may follow!
+ Pipes! The decorative pipes add a lot. Overall the map has improved aesthetically.
+ The final area with the lift is nice; makes me curious as to where it leads. Pity there's no secret under the lift, though.
+ Found two secret areas (MH and Quad Damage). Really liked both of them, although the Quad Damage area in particular felt a bit empty. Maybe spawn some zombies when the Quad is picked up, which the player has to kill before returning to the main map? It would add bit of extra gameplay as reward for finding the secret (which would be especially welcome for players who -like me- find the secret after having cleared the rest of the map).
+ I know it's not new, but I really like that descending lift with the ogres etc.
The bad/ugly (not particular to this latest iteration, but things I don't think I mentioned before):
- Not too crazy about the coloured lighting, though I'm not sure what exactly it is I don't like. Maybe there are too many different colours competing for attention in the same space (red, blue and white lights in close proximity or in the same room), and/or maybe the colours are too saturated.
Generally I'm not a fan of obvious/in your face coloured lighting; for me it works best when it's so subtle that it just feels a little more realistic, without the player's necessarily even realising that the lights are not white.
- Don't like the use of death knights. In my opinion, knights and death knights do not belong in base/tech maps, just as grunts and enforcers don't fit medieval/temple/etc. maps -- unless the map justifies it somehow, e.g. there's a portal/slipgate, and as you draw near, the "wrong" monsters start spawning in.
Haven't played the new Shifting Planes beta yet -- sorry, Spipper!
Thanks for your comments!
I can certainly dial back on the coloured lighting a bit. I guess that the "computer room" is one of the areas where things may be "too much" (there's red, yellow, green and blue light in there). For the yellow lights (for instance in the gold key room) I might reduce the saturation a bit to reduce the Quake 2 feel.
I understand your dislike for death knights in base maps. For some reason (and I'm not exactly sure why) they blend much less natural into a non-fantasy environment. Ogres are fine IMO (they're fantasy-tech hybrids anyway), Scrags/Wizads are okay IMO (twisted wanderers of dimensions) and Fiends and Shamblers are "monster wildlife" that could just as well shamble on somewhere in Siberia ;-)
Perhaps "knight" has such strong cultural connotation with "medieval" and/or "fantasy" that they just don't blend well with industrial/base settings, while the Lovecraftian creatures are not quite as tied to a specific setting (I could easily see Ogres, Shamblers and Fiends doing evil evilness in steel mill along 1980ies Heavy Metal tunes - Knights not so much).
Less Elevator, More Stairs
I took the liberty of replacing the first elevator the player encounters with an arrangement of stairs.
Yes, I know, this is less comfortable than simply pushing buttons - but I'm sure Quake Guy won't mind the physical exercise. It also allows for some actual gameplay being put on several different height levels.
Not very polished yet, but an early glimpse:
New Zombie Model
Slowly Moving Forward With The Artpass
Old for comparison:
This is going to take a while.
Very nice. Loving it.
Spipper is displaying the power of multiple iterations of the same scene. Its an amazing thing watching a space transform like this. Keep it up!
If you havent already, join us in our Discord channel!
Chillo: he looks very happy. Knees look a bit knobby for my liking but cool other than that.
New Skill Selection Map
That looks really good!
Looks pretty snazzy, the soft fog and warm sky/lighting give it a neat look without feeling arid. Is the bright blue water supposed to stand out that much, though? Assuming it's water, I mean.
OTP, Spud, Mfx
The blue water is not exactly intended - it just happens to be the one water texture I currently have (I avoid non-free textures in hopes of going stand-alone sometimes in the future).
Whipping up a more muddled water texture shouldn't be a major problem, though.
"Those outdoor shots looks great, and surprisingly similar to Turok:
almost, but better :)
Heh, that's indeed a nice visual coincidence - I think I'll try to sneak in a reference to Turok into the map.
My Approach To Churning Out Terrain Fast
First: lay out all floors and walls as "quadsoup": http://i.imgur.com/FCD8kXi.png
Second: Start pushing vertices around until things look "organic": http://i.imgur.com/X1u4EUy.png
Overview after approx. three hours of messing in TrenchBroom: http://i.imgur.com/z5Tb1gS.png
The big sky brush marks the +/-4096 limit of unmodified Quake network protocol. I'm expect I'll have to switch to BSP2 before this map is done.
Brushwork Terrain Tutorials
Thanks for posting that, SavageX. I've been playing around with natural terrain recently, also mainly using the TB vertex tool, but I haven't settled into a method that works for me yet -- though broadly speaking, I try to do more or less what you have done here. In my experience so far, however, it's tempting to go overboard and end up with an unwieldy mess of overly complex brushwork (something which you seem to have avoided).
Every so often I see people recommending this
terrain tutorial by Sock. As I recall, Adib used it when mapping for the Fire & Brimstone jam. The thing is, though, I can't really make much sense of it -- or perhaps I'm missing something?
To me it doesn't really look like a tutorial at all. Instead, it starts with what looks like some sort of historical overview of terrain in brush-based engines in general, and then it moves on to a fairly technical discussion of something called DotProduct2 and some stuff that seems specific to the Quake 3 engine and Radiant. I really have trouble picking out the parts that are relevant/helpful to Quake mapping in a different editor than the Radiant family. Or is there a tutorial buried in there somewhere, and have I just never found the right link to click?
the dotproduct2 stuff is 'just' q3map2 autogenerating per-vertex alpha values based upon the similarity of the vertex normal and some specified unit vector. And then squaring it (hence the '2').
(dot(A,B) == cos(anglebetweenAandB)*length(A)*length(B)), or in other words, given unit vectors, dotproduct gives 1 when they are equal, 0 when perpendicular, and -1 when opposing, so its quite handy when doing geometry stuff. squaring it biases it towards 0 in a non-linear way, so you don't need such vertical cliffs)
combined with a shader that performs alpha blending according to said vertex alphas, this gives different textures appearing based upon how flat that part of the map is meant to be.
manually doing all that stuff would take excessive amounts of effort...
its worth noting that its all q3map2/q3bsp-specific and doesn't apply at all to q1bsp (which completely lacks vertex alpha values... and shaders).
Yeah, Sock's tutorial is certainly covering a lot of things that only apply to Quake 3 (or compatible engines).
I cannot claim to be an authoritative source regarding Quake editing - I'm not a veteran mapper and have yet to properly release a single (!) Quake map (apart from the betas in this thread). I try to adhere to following rules:
- Most vertices I only displace on one axis. So if I want to push the rock surface in, I'll grab a vertex and just push that one in exactly according to one axis. I try to make sure my brushes keep quite some volume (no strangely flimsy brushes), which is why I start with 128x128x128 cubes. I can push those around without
- I try to keep all vertices on-grid. I certainly make sure all vertices are on integer positions.
- be gentle on the floor, don't go as crazy on vertex editing as on rock faces. A few hills and ramps usually work fine, but if you go overboard you can run into collision issues, like players getting stuck on random edges (for Quake 2 and 3 the collision system works quite differently and seems to be overall more robust).
I uploaded an example map with sources over at https://maikmerten.de/base1/start-wip.zip
- perhaps that's useful for you. However, again, I might do things horribly wrong although they appear to be working fine for me for now ;-)
I've been using FraQuake to generate fractal geometry for my Xmas Jam map. (cavewalls) You'll need to run it in a 16bit compatible OS. I'm probably going overboard with the number of polys but you can dial it in to your hearts content. It's a multi-step process. Create a map in the application and then copy and paste what you need from the output. (It adds monsters randomly FYI) I use TB2's CSG merge to weld faces together to create borders. Then add _phong 1 to make the lighting pretty. I'm having fun and I think it looks groovy
this is the only screenshot I have access to ATM but it illustrates the fractals well https://imgur.com/d2TGj5E
lots of improvements.
I'd recommend some minor things... for the outdoor area, some upscaled textures set at like a 33 degree angle might prevent textures looking too 'gridlike'...
re indoor base shots, some trim along stair edges etc might be nice. Also, I think you could extend some of the ceilings upwards more dramatically for a nice effect. like the first shot where the pipes jutting out are, if they went up way far into darkness might be nice.
Just off the top of my head. But yeah looks pretty good!
new intro area looks very cool. Wish you the best of luck with the rehaul - I'm sure it will be tricky but worthwhile as the comments regarding the actual gameplay are almost uniformly positive
Hopefully The Final Version Of Shifting Planes
Finally done with a full artpass. In addition to that, I have also added two new skill levels to the map (easy/hard).
The only thing between this version and a full release is some clipping, some ambient sounds and a bit of testing.
(Includes movplan_b1.bsp and .lit. Requires Qouth)
Epic style, dark atmosphere!
Some cool stuff there for sure. #2 and #4 especially nice. Hope it's a strong theme throughout - looking forward to playing it!
This happened by accident:
Hmmm... keep or remove...
Okay, Keeping For Now
the facial features were unplanned for, but I guess they're somewhat charming, albeit cheesy.
Reminds me of http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Vaal
Maybe Not Directly Related But It Made Me Think Of This
I once wanted to make a Rune level like that, but could not get it to to work. Maybe one day in Rune 2.
I assembled a new snapshot of dreadful things. The "Dreadful Dreadbase of Dread" (base1) always was intended to be part of a short campaign I call "Zernichter".
I zipped up the current state of a custom start map ("Paths aplenty") and base1.
- Start: All new start map for all four difficulties. Of course, the entryway for the hardest difficulty needs to be discovered first. Also includes a hidden reference to another video game franchise.
- Base1: Added another secret, put some gameplay into the existing secrets. Got rid of a boring elevator and replaced it with a more exciting arrangement of stairs. Made sure the first Shambler-fight doesn't derail due to monster infighting.
- Canyons: Not yet playable enough, so not included yet. When finishing base1 it's thus normal to have an error message that canyons.bsp cannot be found.
Nice Rocks Man.
Dipping my toes back in the water, as I do every xmas break, to see where things are at. The current state of Quake editing is so good, it's surreal.
Love the light and atmosphere. Wooden struts seem a bit spindly but that might be deliberate and work well in context.
I did a thing.
Ever imagined de_dust in Quake?
Probably not but I did it anyways.
Theres an included readme that attempts to explain the entity chain.
also dont ask me why i put it in demos :P i feel dumb
and in case its not implied, feel free to use this set up in your maps. the readme explains how to expand upon it with some simple find/replace of the appropriate values.
Only want one bomb? Remove the extra sets of trigger_counter/relays and bombs.
This set up is actually really generic and could power more than just a bomb site :P
the real question is if it works in team multiplayer games :P
New Dreamcast/Windows 3D Platformer Based On The Quake Engine!
Hey there! Just wanted to post my project I'm creating! It's a minimalist styled 3D platformer for the Dreamcast using the Makaqu Quake engine!
Alpha Tech Demo:
Future Player Character w/ animations:
The game is a tribute to my late Uncles music! I need some QuakeC coders for the project so it would be great if you are willing to help! Contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org if you are interested!
Otherwise, the games Patreon is here if you wish to donate to the project, but it's okay if you can't!
Tell me what you think based on the stuff you see!
youtube links are broken; they link to creator studio.
Oops! Here Are The Correct Ones!
Look Good And Old School ! Dreamcast Lives !
A Gun (spoiler)
I said I wouldn't share anymore so as not to spoil more stuff (assuming that's even an issue). If you do care about spoilers, don't look :D
(all the usual disclaimers: WIP, unfinished skin, unbalanced, etc).
This gun almost got cut/totally redesigned and was the last to get modeled since I kept pushing it back because I just wasn't able to execute properly. The design did get simplified quite a bit (the intended design was asymmetrical and had a couple broken ribs instead of all metal "claws" as well as some intricate mechanical bits to move them).
Modeling all the other guns first really helped me get over the mental block/lack of experience. I'm not super happy with it, but satisfied overall considering I thought I was going to have to trash it up until the very end of its production.
I like how I come here intending to post a link then end up writing an essay. Sorry about that :P
Reminds me of a Flak Cannon
But that's not a bad thing. Really like the teeth/claw style. I think less obvious green might be better tho.
Others have said it's reminiscent of UT and I assumed they meant the bio-rifle (I've only played UT3). I guess previous iterations of the flak cannon were similar to this?
i think it is like a Bio-Rifle and less bouncy RL's grenades. I suppose that the Flak Cannon is mentioned due to how the weapon launchs its projectiles through it. And by the way i am talking about UT, as I never saw much point in UT2003 and 2004 over UT and forgot about them quickly.
I have a suggestion regarding this weapon if you want to hear it:
Keep the teethy stuff, but turn it into a cursed gauntlet that the player wears, it bites into the players arm, curses it and morphs the arm itself into a weapon that shoots the green cursed goop or something similar.
Could have some fun sounds, like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXvIjR8RWMs
or maybe a bit fleshier.
You could even do fun stuff like 1hp of life is one shot. Would make for an interesting risk / reward thing.
But there already is a gauntlet type weapon that consumes (a large portion of health) as ammo. However, this mechanic can be exploited by activating the 'life siphon' artifact if you have it.
Cool idea, I think. My current design for the gauntlet is less magic/cursed and more gory/mechanical (think of the absurdity of the bees plasmid in bioshock, sorta that kinda feel).
The "Get-away-car" For One Of My 3 Projects
That looks neat. Reminds me of the spore launcher in HL: opposing force.
That is super Bio-Rifle-esque in its operation. TBH I always found UT's Bio-Rifle quite unsatisfying to use. I love your model and animations though. Maybe you could swap the green goop for something a bit less "50's B-Movie". Try changing to a purpley colour if you want it to be more Quakey, and maybe when it explodes the blob should really quickly expand rather than just dissipating like a wet fart.
Hi! Kind of new here.
Started something simple, I looove Trenchbroom!
Angles Are Goood Mmmmkay.
@Newhouse & @Shambler
@qmaster - that's some good ship. Perhaps the wood planks of the hull should run horizontally as opposed to vertically. Also, I totally forgot about the spore launcher! Funny weapon.
@text_fish - Thanks for the feedback. TBH I always found UT's Bio-Rifle quite unsatisfying to use.
How about Quake's grenade launcher?
Oh Quake's Grenade launcher is splendid. If the power of your goop gun is similar to the Q1 'nade launcher you definitely need to work on the explosion effect though, because right now it looks like a Tinkerbell sneeze. :P
you're right. It does look rather wimpy...
googles how to simulate liquid explosions in blender
And by that I mean sprites. But if you must know...
Use hooks and shape keys.
so far, using fluid sim to use as a mask for sprite creation works like a charm :D the new explosions have much power behind them.
first time learning about hooks and shapekeys, though. Definitely useful things to know.
They Are Good For Blobby Lovecraftian Things
Terrain Practice, Getting The Hang Of It :)
Cool Stuff #15483
I would say you are nicknick!
The blobs did remind me of this, not sure if you can do as much shader magic without being somewhat specialized, but I love this effect looks.
Yup Good Terrain Keep It Going.
Very nice looking~
Thanks!! Some More (heavy WIP)
Good lighting and rock work
I agree with Fifth, I like the softness of the light at the top and the light source looks spot on.
TELL ME I'M PRETTY
so i feel good enough to work more on this stupid pack
You Have Never Looked Better...
And that shot is to die for!
Loving Those Textures Lunaran
I Like Everything About It
Ionous and I were just talking about this the other day.
(But: With a floor this wide and open it's maybe worth considering a new variant of the texture with less contrast and repetition, maybe the honey ones?)
very nice btw
It looks great...BUT...break up that god damn floor and use a different texture entirely
63 people on Facebook in 12 hours think you are pretty. Also, several people now are waiting for a new map from you.
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i guess that floor texture is shit, isn't it
It's good as a wall texture in small doses
. But there's a reason why id used wmet4_8 for floors instead.
How about a wooden floor instead?
Keep hoping for a follow up to lunsp1! Is this still the one you were talking about a ways back where the plan is for the map to go downwards? Either way, looks very good and please continue to work on it, or turn it into a speedmap, or something.
Lunaran, More Pictures Please !
That last picture gave me a total erection.
More picts !
Interesting. Definitely have potential.
#15507 God Damn
yeah! Love it! The unfiltered card/sprite look for trees has (perhaps weirdly) always appealed to me.
These ones from Daggerfall are some of my favourites:
That's gotta be some pimped out modern Daggerfall port, right? Because if the game looked like that originally, bloody hell did I miss out...
Actually just looking at the # of trees drawn at once obviously it's a modern port.
Those Trees Look Nice And Fluffy Pritchard, Good Stuff.j
The grass could use a few darker shades towards the bottom of the tufts.
yeah it's the Daggerfall port in the Unity engine. Well worth downloading and having a wander round. Gameplay-wise it's pretty "dated" but has it's moments.
that's pretty cool!
I came to Elder Scrolls pretty late with Oblivion on Ps3 so this is great for folks like me.
A New Map - Work In Progress - Early Screen
First off, Pritchard those tree sprites look awesome.
So after the craziness of a Disney map is over, I'm going back to something darker and more Quake/medieval in style. After just playing the excellent Return to Castle Wolfenstein (2001), I absolutely loved the castles, crypts and brick textures. I've started converting the RTCW textures over to the Quake palette and currently have a new texture set with nearly 100 textures including some modified Sock/Hexen2/Magna textures.
Here is a really early screen of the new RTCW textures in action. I've made some groined vaults, as the set actually has custom textures for these vaults. The architecture is mostly styled directly after RTCW but is different in scale so I had to chop up the textures a bit.
To my knowledge not many RTCW textures are in Quake WADS, as I've not seen these bricks and trim and colours before. I love the Quake palette so that's why I'm converting them over, rather than use true colour, but obviously I've lost a good deal of fidelity as a result.
Anyways, the map is planned to be a mod with new enemies, and as such is still a ways off... Cheers!
Damn Nice Textures Son.
There is a WAD file with all the textures from RtCW on Quaddicted. If you like the, it will save you from all the work you are doing.
Liking those shots, very atmospheric, man.
not sure if this help, but the screens are too dark for my tastes
otherwise this is incredible 5/5
It just figures this would be the case, I never saw the RTCW wad there in that mass of wads. Anyways I'm pretty much done converting the textures over anyway. Yeah the screens are really dark, mostly because coloured lighting sucks.
I've maxed out my phone's brightness and still can't see anything on those screenshots besides a faint light in the ceiling.
Have you increased the gamma brightness in the engine, and are using low brightness in the map's lights to compensate?
Embrace The Dark!
Yeah, I always have gamma/brightness set to 0. Its just a dark room with only dark orange and dark blue coloured lights, cause its dark. DARK! My monitor is set at low brightness as well, and its still very visible on my end, but I usually go about adding white light sources to the map later on to brighten things up. I also just threw those lights in to take a screen, the map isn't anywhere nears complete.
Also yeah I can't see anything on my tablet either so I think I bigger screen makes a difference.
I played RTCW recently. Need to finish it though. I had the same idea you are doing now. using those amazing textures for a Quake level. I won't have time for many months to do something so I am very excited to see your work on this!
The screens look promising!
fiddle with the colors of the coloured lights and they will never suck.
For the darkness, they are a bit dark but i think that is almost spot on for the first.
I can't see anything on my tablet either so I think I bigger screen makes a difference.
Yeah, I'm on my 40 inch TV right now and can see it. Still too dark to analyze the texture quality, though.
Not going to post this elsewhere, as it's very unfinished, but here's a fullbright screenshot
There are dozens of other textures that I've been creating with the same level of quality, maybe hundreds. Still some more hundreds to go.
However, I get easily demotivated when trying to actually create maps. Anyway, maybe someday this will become something...
Then Make Shorter Ones
it will help with motivation
Coce Dropping Wisdom Bombs Like I Drop Post-curry Shits.
Serious business. Listen to him.
Well, the maps I'm creating are headed towards environment art rather than gameplay, since their purpose is to showcase the renderer's abilities. In the end I'll merge all of them in a single map, if there's enough memory.
Probably the main creative block I'm having is that textures are self-contained. All the ones I'm creating are photosourced, so they only require artistic sensibility, not artistic creativity, while mapping is a more open-ended task and therefore does actually require creativity.
It's easy for me to create photosourced textures, no matter how depressed I'm feeling. Mapping is a lot harder, not just to envision pleasant environments but also to make them fun. It seems to require a pleasant & playful state of mind.
My current approach is to create textures, try to figure out good matches between them, and to create structural pieces out of those matches (walls, columns, ceilings, etc).
Trying to figure out good matches between those structural pieces and creating good environmental structures out of them is exponentially harder. But it should eventually happen.
Didn't Know You Had The Copyright To Them
Shambler, how much for the rights?
I think the secret is to light it to let the player see everything, but still trick it into looking like deep darkness. Like night scenes in the movies that are shot on broad daylight with a black background. Maybe high contrast with dark colored lights would do the trick.
This kind of "old mansion" set is one of my favorites. Loving this one.
Hey! This Is A Screenshot Thread.
More Sexy Quake Screenshots! Give us an erection, dammit!
Simple And Cubi
I'm trying to make map with Trenchbroom 2.0 instead JACK and Radiant.
Nice One DOOMer!
I feel doom stricken already, Keep it up!
Classic style. Nice lighting.
Very Dark But Promising.
I too like the style.
Thanks for feedback, guys.
I did not work on the lighting at all, just placed the light sources through approximately equal distance between them. Even intensity of not drive the money changers.
Now I hasn't decided to make light in old school or more modern. But in General, the map will be most likely simple by design, doom-like geometry (without a large vertical gameplay).
congrats looking like you are taking to TB2 nicely.
Thanks for your TB2-tutorials, it very helpful for me.
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