I'd like to give a huge thank you to Redfield, who provided me with valuable feedback on the first beta version of my map.

Based on his feedback, I've made some changes and uploaded another version for you guys to playtest, if you like!

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/sthangar_beta02.zip 

If you are interested, i've recorded a playthrough of the beta 2 here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-FyLN6_gbs

I played the first beta, so i already knew what to do and where to go :P

What i still think it's strange (in middle route) is that you can completely miss a whole area of the map if you don't come back to that closed door at the stairs. Maybe if you put a key there to open the door to the slipgate you give the player a reason to search the map and explore that area ;) 

Of course I'm interested; clicked the link pretty much immediately once I saw it.

Hmm, the more I think about your idea, the more appealing it becomes. Perhaps I will add a keycard to that area in the final version. Thanks for the good idea!

There's one thing I've been wondering based on your playthrough and Redfield's feedback. When playing the Quad damage route, did either of you notice the message popup informing that the quad damage has been respawned? Because when I watched your video, you didn't go back to the beginning to get a new Quad damage. Maybe you hadn't noticed the message or since you were already killing grunts and enforcers you were too busy to go back to the beginning?

Redfield had also told me on his feedback that the quad route is kind of brutal, so he suggested that I add another weapon early in the Quad damage path. So I was thinking that if I were to add a weapon to the path, maybe I could add an NG to the slipgate room storage shelf. Redfield, when you tested the 2nd beta, did you notice the message of the quad damage respawning? Because with that you could easily crush the opposition pouring down from the barracks room. Do you still think the path should get another early weapon even with the respawning quad damage?

If you guys didn't notice the quad damage respawn message, should I add more reminders to the player about the event? 

To be honest i only saw that message when i was editing the video to post on youtube XD
When i was playing i didn't see it, maybe because i was running around, shooting enemies and trying to stay alive =D

But i don't think a "respawning quad" is necessary here. only one is enough for me. but would be cool if you give me a double-shotgun before i enter the slipgate room. quad + double-shotgun = too much fun! =D 

opinions on Qoole editor pls? 

Use Trenchbroom. 

well Qoole when it came out. But TB2 is a great option if you are coming back to Quake mapping or just starting out. 

I learned on Qoole and loved it. Years later Trenchbroom came out and I can recommend it hands down.

The one BIG problem with Qoole is the brushes look fine in the editor but there is a rounding error in the save file which causes misaligned brushes and leaks. If Trenchbroom did not exist and Qoole's errors were fixed though, that would be the one I would have used. 

Qoole was the first editor that I hit a groove with after trying Worldcraft and not initially liking it. I ran into that same rounding / accuracy issue and abandoned it when a bunch of Qmap people said it was a known issue and not to use Qoole because of it.

There was something about it that *was* very user friendly to beginners, moreso than Worldcraft and Radiant.

Even in spite of that bug, a lot of people managed to put out some cool stuff with it. IIRC, a bunch of Aardappel's early maps were made in Qoole. 

"BETA" of BLUE ep, feel free to fool around in these maps. It is packed like a mod, create folder called BLUE, open editor, type to console game BLUE, and start the new game. I haven't been touching this for a while, but I want to finish this soon.

Couple screenshots
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVMqAO-WkAAc87O.jpg

Link to zip:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ITOCoKC4IGSOogUQUSi0qavnjEYpw22V/view?usp=sharing 

And that was a fantastic retro-ish adventure! NH uses "blue" to great extents here. 

Played an older version too and looking forward to playing this whole beta. 

Thanks to Tribal's and Redfield's valuable feedback, I've made some more changes to the Subterrestrial Hangar:

-Major overhaul for Quad damage path: Quad damage is now permanent and high tier monsters appear later on.
-Silver key added to middle path
-Added dirtmapping

I've uploaded the 3rd beta version on Quaketastic for playtesting for people who are interested:

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/sthangar_beta03.zip 

Hello everyone!

I am a long-time Doom mapper and decided to try my hand at Quake mapping. I have just completed my first Quake map and could really use some feedback. What do you think?

https://drive.google.com/open?id=14HcCX9XRv6p1KIUrx1s1IRIVxj5UCG5I 

You need to post some screenshots! 

Ok, here is one.

https://imgur.com/NBvHSf2 

 

Looks pretty good 

seen great screenshot of a giant runic sword somewhere here, was it from the upcoming dm4jam DLC expasion pack? 

That must be sock's upcoming standalone release inspired by dm4/dm4jam? 

 

Interesting experiment. Feels a bit anti-climatic, though. As if the level was only the introduction to something bigger, like an episode of path-defined levels.

Classic style - except for the props of course. They look just a little bit out of place in a Quake environment, or least next to the idbase textures. Not a big problem really. I found that the doors, while being useful for making the small base appear larger, can be slightly confusing as it's unclear which ones open and which ones are simply detail. You could maybe change the textures of the doors that never open, or add some detail to suggest they are permenently locked, or at the very least centerprint triggers.

No problems with gameplay really, even though for a moment it felt like I broke it when picking the middle path. Got through it fine eventually. Quad path, too. Not sure why anyone would want to pick the slime maze, though. It's a bit awkward with all the pipes one gets stuck on. You can see how to get past them, but it sometimes feels unnecessarily finicky to actually do it. The path is doable, though you can just as easily fail. Not much fun really, and no real benefit apart from skipping combat (e.g. no reward weapon if you dive up in the hangar itself). Quad is permanent while the suit isn't?
Demos

On a technical note, the map exceeds the edicts and the models limit as QS reports on developer mode. I believe this is something that can be fixed with little effort. In the slime maze part, each pipe is an individual func_wall which is completely unnecessary. All of them can be grouped into a single entity per corridor. Even better yet, if you use ericw's compilers, you can just turn them into func_detail_wall and save a large number of models while getting the same result (phonged pipes).
Likewise, the blankets on the bunk beds, which are all individual func_illusionaries by the looks of it, can be grouped into two big func_illusionaries (one for each side of the room= left and right of the door), or simply func_detail_illusionary.
And if these two measures aren't enough, there's another big potential for saving models in the monster teleporter room. The trigger_teleports there can all be turned into point entities and they won't count as individual models.

Doing all of that will also lower the edicts count, though I'm not sure if it's enough to get it under 600 (in practice should be lower than, say, 570). But I can look into that if required.