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#15929 posted by metlslime on 2018/11/02 00:41:07
I agree that the model that seems to succeed is where there is an acceptable fallback for engines that don't support that feature, such as entity alpha, skyboxes, fog, fence textures, lit files, external textures, etc. In all those cases the content is mostly still playable in a vanilla engine.
There are exceptions: aguirre's extended bsp limits, and the bsp2 format are two cases where there is no fallback and it still caught on and became accepted. I was going to add protocol 666 to this list, but this is not something forced on people by a map or mod, so users still have a choice of protocols that provide the raised limits.
#15930 posted by Qmaster on 2018/11/02 01:10:25
protocol 999
Large Bsps
#15931 posted by Preach on 2018/11/02 08:16:14
I agree that extended BSP limits are the rare exception that tests the rule (and this is coming from someone who usually doesn't bother playing maps in bsp2 format). To my mind the key difference there is that it's about breaking limits more than visual enhancement, and there's no obvious way you can do that in a backwards-compatible way.
Just To Complicate Things
#15932 posted by Kinn on 2018/11/02 08:59:00
I always figured the reason to do a 16-bit mdl format is so you can make monsters that would otherwise look like total trash in mdl. The thought of having a large chunk (most?) of your audience just seeing the trash version anyway because of backwards compat will probably make you design the model in a conservative way to minimise this, which itself weakens the reason for doing 16-bit in the first place, so eh I ‘unno.
For The Record I Still Like Preach’s Take On The Idea
#15933 posted by Kinn on 2018/11/02 09:02:45
It seems elegant despite my above misgivings
@preach
wouldn't it be simple to code into the engine a search for a md3(or md2) version of the same model name? So much like the high def textures for those who want to use them.
It would mean that so long as the person modelling had released a lower poly version of the mdl too it would be available and wouldn't break vanilla compatibility.
Or...
you could fall back to an existing entity in the pak. If I make a new monster md3 but the engine doesn't support it, fallback to an Ogre. Have that fallback mdl definable by the mapper.
Nevermind
^^^^ that's stupid
#15937 posted by Qmaster on 2018/11/02 17:30:55
I still don't see how it would be possible to do the amazing effects (outside of full fledged particles a'la Maya or Blender) that Preach manages to pull off with the mdl format. I'm still at a loss on how to make polygons dissappear into themselves.
Zero Scale
#15938 posted by Preach on 2018/11/02 23:10:29
The trick is that you take each particle, and on the frames where you want it to be invisible you apply a scaling transformation with scale factor 0 (typing the value numerically is the surest way to do it). There are variations on this, like on some models I only apply the transformation on one axis, so that the particle collapses into a line rather than a point. But it's all about scaling - it's the easiest way to ensure that all the vertices align so the polygon disappears.
I Had No Idea...
#15939 posted by Orl on 2018/11/03 13:53:49
and this is coming from someone who usually doesn't bother playing maps in bsp2 format
This is heartbreaking.
I Wonder
#15940 posted by Qmaster on 2018/11/03 20:23:26
Is there anything that would bring cause for a bsp3?
Tris/verts Weights
#15941 posted by madfox on 2018/11/03 21:59:45
I have now made an arc_ogre, but I am faced with the problem that my splines are converted into four on each clip node when converted. The result is that a q1 model with relative weight triangles is converted to two triangles in each square. I can only save them in squares, which are converted to two triangles.
If I import this to qmle, the ratio of internal triangles has almost doubled.
Would this make much difference to a model with only half of verts / tris? As long as it stays below 1000tris / 2000verts, it should make little difference.
Qmaster
Sepulcher allegedly came close to hitting the upper limits, and also it did something that required a change in Quakespasm, but I don't remember what.
The 3DRealms game has some gigantic maps, but IIRC they don't use their own map format.
I suspect Bal will be the first one to break bsp2 ;-) but at that point, adopting q3bsp would probably happen first.
Tri Limit
#15943 posted by Preach on 2018/11/04 00:05:20
Although strictly speaking some engines (e.g. unmodified GLQuake) do have a limit of 1000 triangles, the original software engines allowed 2000 triangles, and pretty much every custom engine at least restored the limit to that level. So you're probably OK to exceed 1000 if you need to.
Qmle
#15944 posted by madfox on 2018/11/04 01:02:22
In my case it is not the tri limit, but the question if I should simplify a working model with relative high counts into one with less for benifit of better performance.
It's quiet a lot of work doing this in Qmle.
Screenshots, Please!
#15945 posted by Barnak on 2018/11/04 01:15:56
Pictures, screen captures, screenshots, views of work in progress, ... come on, make us get an hard on, Quake style!
Barnak
#15946 posted by madfox on 2018/11/04 01:56:47
Trying to adjust maps by the hand of the first screenshots, with no dynamic light.
Sorry for the low resolution, old quake school.
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Nothing Too Special
#15948 posted by anonymous user on 2018/11/18 22:12:59
Temple Of Doom Final Beta
Hi everyone!
I've over worked my map and think its ready for release.
Hope that some of you can take a look on it and tell me if it works.
http://www.quaketastic.com/index.php?dir=files/tod/
gsh_tod.zip
best wishes
Gunny
Thoughts On The Temple Again
#15950 posted by Esrael on 2018/11/29 20:32:54
Below you can find my demo with comments:
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/tod/gsh_tod_esrael.zip
Having more guidance in the map was a welcome addition in this version. I also liked the little story texts. :)
I still think the map was a bit on the easy side. Especially the temple area with the yellow and red armors being so easily available, not to mention giving the player the quad damage. Maybe some of the stuff could be hidden behind secrets?
I wasn't able to exit the map this time around. I opened the map file in Trenchbroom, and it looks like the reason is because you haven't specified the next map for the changelevel trigger. You have to specify a map, or else the change level trigger won't work. (Didn't know that myself, actually. Well, the more I know, I guess.)
While having the map open in Trenchbroom I also noticed that you had used the wrong texture in the clip brushes that were supposed to prevent the player from jumping over the fence. You should use the "clip" texture, not the "trigger" texture.
@Esrael
Thanks again! :)
Ahh yes I forgot the armor.
Will It change something if I change the Level to normal or hard?
The exit thing is a little bit frightening cause I entert the start map for exit and never changed it? Yes it disapeared Hmmm. I changed that again.
Do you think after that last changes this is a map for release?
New DM Map Beta
#15952 posted by Rhoq on 2018/12/01 05:40:19
I got an idea for a map last week, and probably 50+ hours later have a working beta of it. Wanted to pass this around for testing, for anyone who is interested.
I have played it with FrikBots, but not against humans yet. Even if DM isn't your thing, I'm open to feedback on the map build itself.
IMAGE
https://imgur.com/3bqiCZm
TEST RUN VIDEO:
https://youtu.be/4SdMJEAdgqE?t=90
DOWNLOAD LINK
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/multiplayer/maps/rhoqtdm2_beta.2018.11.30.zip
#15953 posted by negke on 2018/12/01 09:17:53
Somewhat cheery style, if one can say that. Farily brightly lit (I usually say the opposite), though of course you don't want a DM map to be too dark, either.
There's something about the layout.. so many corridors, and the upper/outside part seems to be a little bit secluded from the normal flow? Possibly a misconception on my part as I didn't actually play it properly.
The light beam effect is cool, but I wouldn't use an engine-specific effect in a DM map, because it looks bad on older/non-QS/DM-focused ports: pic
The teleporter triggers should be a few units in front of the entire structure imo, to avoid getting stuck on the sides and dropping into the lava by accident.
Mandatory suggestion: consider putting in some single player stuff once the DM portion is finished and finetuned! ;)
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