Low BROW humour, even coming from THE BROW 

doesn't look the real Floyd to me.

A good old medieval castle, I see.
Reminds me to the mist brush the Virtus wad had. Only strange to leave the mist with water sounds.

Black fog, my poor screen.
But yeah, map on! 

Lunaran: Hey !! It's me just at the end of a big party, the last huge one before I got married !!! BTW this photos is 7 years old, so just add few white hairs on side, and it's me today, not drunk any more ;P

Kinn, MadFox, Shambler: I'm glad the dark fog effect didn't hurt you. I was afraid the low level of brightness of the shots will not let show anything about the map..
I'm still trying to find a good trade-off between sunlight level, minlightlevel, and fog density/color.. And I'm still trying some stuff... Thanks for the feedback.. 

Nice werk mate. You've got some good specular going on with that skin. Perhaps the look of the character is a tad "cartoony" for D3, but otherwise, yah, looking groovy :D 

http://img125.exs.cx/img125/4427/doom3tiles1024x7681zw.jpg 

I like the HDR above the ravening daemon's head. Qualitay.


Model's a bit ugly though. 

it's an NPC you guys 

it's an NPC you guys 

metl, that icon thing isn't fixed 

becuase your posts all show up. 

So it must be yours!

erm 

luna ran for the eternal floyd mascotte, and now he got it, he's realy tacamotsushi-ed. 

Your search - tacamotsushi - did not match any documents.
No pages were found containing "tacamotsushi". 

;) 

Is it tamagotsushi instead of tacamotsushi ?? A genetic modification using tamagoshi DNA and sushi DNA ?? Is it really possible ?? ... weird thing indeed... 

tamagotsi, but my memory left me.
SushiMaster and the Ape - Frans de Waal.
human behaviour. 

what does any of it have to do with me? 

just wondered why you're not content with the icons things. 

This are some pictures from the starting outdoor area of my new map. It just shows the basic idea. Texturing, lightning, details and so on not done yet. Level will expand below the surface into base style architecture.
http://republika.pl/quake_1/project2_1.jpg
http://republika.pl/quake_1/project2_2.jpg
http://republika.pl/quake_1/project2_3.jpg 

YOUR HUD AND ICONS ARE FUCKED MATE. I THINK THE GRAPHICS MIGHT BE CORRUPTED. I'D RE-INSTALL QUAKE IF I WERE YOU. ALSO CHECK YOU HAVE THE LATEST DRIVERS FOR YOUR GFX CARD.


P.S. map style looks nice. Roll on another map, w3rd/ 

Evile. I like the concept, but I think it would look better if it had more of a visual flow to it, and the brush shapes were less recognizable. 

yeah... the brushwork seems ok, but the brimstone texture is terrible here. it's repeating all over the place. either use a bigger texture, scale it up 2x, (or 1.5x) or make more indentations into the rock to make lighting change more along the surfaces.

i do like how the light is low and close and you can't see the ceiling or walls. it makes it seem very large when it could be only a little bigger than the area itself.

keep it up! :) 

for my Lost Chapters map currently. Please have the necessary chapters files so you can test it properly, no offense to distrans but being able to fight the monsters is mandatory. :)

Preferably someone who has also worked with the content so that those who aren't making a map for it aren't exposed to it prematurely.

I should only need one, maybe two at the max to help betatest. Thx. 

but being able to fight the monsters is mandatory.

yes... although it can be funny at times. ^_^

email me at the email listed here. :) 

Necros you are right about the brimstone texture, I will have to find another if rescaling won't give good effect. Maybe someone can suggest a better one. A set of red textures would help me a lot. Additional indentation would be problematic due to r_speeds I think.
Shambler don't worry about my HUD. It's ok (in the right corner you can read the time, kills and secrets count, the other parts are hidden). 

I agree with necros, you should scale texture up by 2, in order to break this unifromity feeling I had when looking to the screenshots.
IMHO, some light effects near the ground with fire, or torches near pillar will help the player to find his way in this dark cave..
Nice work realy, keep it up ! 

http://www.kolumbus.fi/ville.nieminen/edishot.jpg

My head aches. 

Blue & yellow wire texture sucks 

use less textures please.
Also, go map ;) 

And it feels so good. 

That's a really good start, but make sure you make the floor darker so the player has an even harder time seeing where he's going. 

Friction that looks like some kind of evile space station/spaceship. It looks somehow different from the rest of the Doom 3 maps out there...I think it might be the ceiling/upper wall detailing...anyway good work, keep it up. 

Did you get my email? Just wondering, I don't think I've received anything from you yet. 

i'll play it tonight and let you know tomorow. 

Like Blitz, I think this screenshot if so far the best I've seen for Doom3. Nice complex architecture of a spaceship/lab/or something like this, but really nice ! Well... as usually said here: go map ;) 

:(

http://www.kolumbus.fi/ville.nieminen/collapsed.jpg 

And since we know you are awesome Friction, we can be really picky with you. That texture in the top left corner is sad.

Not going to fawn because you know it's awesome yourself without me telling you. 

even more little debris, and some debris/dirt/bitgs decal on the floor and such. 

bits, not bitgs 

finaly, a d3 screenshot that isn't so dark i can't see anything!

some of the wires should hang down, possibly with some ripped completly out and sparking and swinging around. :) (if that's possible o_o)

the rest looks fine to me. 

Swinging wires and sparks definitely are doable, but as I just broke 100.000 r_speeds in that area, I'm bit worried about adding extra detail.

What are acceptable FPS rates anyawys? Did the ID maps cause framerates to drop below 20 when not in combat for anyone here? Because that's what happening here.. 

I would say try and keep fps at around 25-30 minimum..

The hard thing is that performance varies A LOT between each generation of graphics cards on doom 3 from what I have seen, and the best way to keep framerates up on lower gen hardware is to keep the lightcounts per face down as much as possible (yeah... duh).

Sounds obvious, but from all the systems I have tested my map on (geforce3, geforce4mx, radeon 9800se, radeon 9800xt) that seems to be the best way to keep fps up. good portaling comes next, followed by actual scene detail levels (polygon wise) ...

Err hope that helps someone! 

These are from a map I built over the past week for a design test. The spec was to build a Maginot-Line-style bunker in Doom 3:

http://www.celephais.net/shite/bunker1.jpg
http://www.celephais.net/shite/bunker2.jpg
http://www.celephais.net/shite/bunker3.jpg
http://www.celephais.net/shite/bunker4.jpg

Overall it's a bit plain, but it's hard to make a map like this without lots of sppopriate models to scatter about. Oh, and the hazard striping is goofy as hell, I realized.

Note: textures are mine, too. 

 

Wow, really good screenshots. I visited in my youth a part of the Maginot-line (I'm native from North-East of france, so, it's a part of my "cultural" knowledges...). I found the screenshots very realistic, as far as I remember !! Nice textures as well...

Just take a look at (it's in french.. sorry...)

http://verpelliere.free.fr/hackenberg.htm
http://www.le-site-web.com/onac57/site-mf/Veckring.html
http://www.ifrance.com/letunnel/maginot/fortif.htm

The last web site is slow, but full of interesting photos... ;) 

Nice textures there, subtle. With some more detail and junk thrown about, it would be quite HL2ish. 

Suprise, it's a corridor!

http://www.infosprite.com/members/BlackDog/bdog_meaningless_corridor_q1.jpg 

But some will peck you to death about using the same tex on walls and ceiling.

Do as you want, I say. 

wizmet1_2: the gift that keeps on giving.

I'll try not to overuse it. 

i like the ceiling details and the 45 degree angles. :)
lighting is fine 

looks good blackdog 

Seriously.

Lovely corridor that, but I want to see a junction and room entrance next. Making them to look good while using complex corridor designs is the hardest part. 

Awesome work! 

http://www.kolumbus.fi/ville.nieminen/bright1.jpg

Shame I didn't think of adding floor height variations here before it was too late (read: can't be arsed to re-map that much anymore) 

nice, it's not completly pitch black like most of d3's maps. ;) having proper lighting gives the chance to show off the brushwork a lot more.

also, the style feels different from the original game. still feels like doom, but not typical delta/alpha labs stuff. well, that could just be the lighting. ;)

nice work. :) 

Looks cool, rather a nice space-ship/base corridor, I like it ! ... and now go map.. ;) 

but that looks like it suffers from what I call "ut2004 syndrome". By that I mean that it looks 'overdetailed and cluttered' if there is such a thing.

then again, I havent played any new engine games so maybe they all look like that. 

I know I've went overboard on some of the wall details due to the lack of planning. Different kinds of trims and wall extrusions too near eachothers, especially in the corridor on left. I'll fixx0rate. 

"Different kinds of trims and wall extrusions too near eachothers, especially in the corridor on left"

thats what I was trying to say. 

Looks very, very good; especially the lighting. I think I also agree with nitin, in that the wedge wall extrusions on the left corridor might be a bit too much. 

Looks like the Happy Days of Doom3 maps. 

MP thomasc, currently unnamed

Large deathmatch map for high spec machines


http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/silo1_1.jpg

http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/silo2_1.jpg

http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/lower_hallway2.jpg

http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/lower_hallway3.jpg

http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/lower_hallway4.jpg

http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/main_control1.jpg

http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/storage1.jpg

http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/t_junction1.jpg

http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/t_junction2.jpg

http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/upper_hallway1.jpg

http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/upper_hallway2.jpg

http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/vent1.jpg

http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/vent2.jpg

http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/vent3.jpg

http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/w_transformer1.jpg

http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/w_disposal1.jpg

http://www.creutzenberg.de/thomasc/w_disposal2.jpg

Coming soon to a pc near you ... 

really like the look of that T_Creutzenberg!

Are those new textures? I dont recall seeing them in doom3, and they are very sexy indeed.

Love the colour scheme too, very monotone but with the red lights adding some colour, makes the map feel very bleak and harsh.

Be sure to post back here when its released eh! 

Looks nice, T :)

I'm glad we're starting to see some quality coming through now for D3 

that I've seen pics of.

how does it run though? 

The screens look great. I was just wondering how much of that comes from existing Doom 3 mapmodels and how much is new - did you make much in Max/maya/whatever? 

But it's MP, so I don't care. 

for high spec machines

Meaning "I can't be arsed to optimize properly" I assume? 

DaZ: It's nearly all Doom 3 textures, I created a lot of decals myself though

nitin: It'll run a little bit slower than the multiplayer maps shipped with the game

than: I used a few model from the original game and created all the rest in Doom3Ed myself

Lunaran: Why not wait with such comment until the map is released? The map file is included and you can then check yourself what else to optimize. 

Kickass! I'm so going to stea... borrow your idea of decal usage.

That barrel trap is pretty neat idea btw. 

Why not wait with such comment until the map is released?

Because I'm commenting on what you said. Simply stating "this is a map for high end systems" is a copout, and it reflects the attitude of the mapper to go gonzo with looks without taking the responsibility of ensuring the map runs acceptably on the same spectrum of machines that the original game does.

Also, since I don't have a high end machine, maybe I won't be checking? 

you just deflated his e-penis a little bit 

it's designed for high-end vaginas 

I somehow can't believe that map would be slower than the ID originals, atleast not when compared to some SP maps. Hell, i got less than 10FPS in combat at times. Looks it could be portaled up quite nicely, which helps a lot. 

try cubemaps on lights or swinging hang lamps? 

croud is demanding SP version!

('Large' and 'high spec' sounds scary tho :))
btw, are there any d3 servers for large player load (more than 4 per map) running 

Lunaran: Well, then don't check it.

Friciton: id mp maps run with about 40 to 65 fps on my machine, mine does with about 30 to 65. 

Who cares if the map is aimed at machines higher than Doom3's recommended spec? I know I certainly wasn't gunning for a Pentium 75 when I made my Quake maps :P

Anyway, T_Creutzenberg is a pro and I'm sure this map will rock. 

Yeah, well, Quake wasn't released six months ago.

I'm not debating that the shots look nice - you've done an excellent job and I hope that when I finally have Doom3 maps to show off they look that nice. But saying "this map is for high end machines" says to me that you're either seeing slowdowns in-game and don't want to take the time to do anything about it, or you're covering for doing so in the future.

It's obvious nobody wants to make the mental leap of actually listening to me so I'll quit posting. 

that's not necessarily true.
if the original vision of the map was something that called for larger spaces and more "stuff" (let's use a general term here ;) ) than the original id maps, then no matter how much it is optimized it will still run slower than the id maps. it's just that optimized it might get 35fps as opposed to 25fps unoptimized, so you're argument isn't rock solid anyway. 

if the map is designed for large player counts, then it must be designed to be played using mods which allow them, since the max standard player count is just 4 (unless a patch has changed that.) Obviously there must be an audience with pcs to run the map with lots of players.

I don't really see reason to criticise on the grounds that the map is designed for high-end machines anyway. Doom 3 doesn't really run acceptably on the p4 2.2ghz 512mb gf4 system I use at work - even in low detail 640*480. I consider this machine to be a decent enough games machine, but id obviously doesn't. 

by "optimization" I meant all the different mapping practices that fall under the realm of ensuring good performance, including designing and building from the ground up with an eye on such. 

You know people have been putting that in their readmes since the days of Quake. Some people just like to build high-poly stuff, and there probably isn't too much he can do to comprimise r_speeds without the looks taking a serious hit.

Nehahra, for example, might have caused a slowdown for some on lower end machines, but would it be prudent to accuse them of laziness just to cater to the minority of people?

Unless Creutzenberg means that we need an X850 512MB to play the map, it's not really fair to say that he isn't doing his job as a mapper, just because the r_speeds are a little higher than normal.

fake edit: I see Kinn basically said the same thing in far fewer lines. He will receive a gold star for the day. 

I was about to make the same statements Lun made. Thanks Lun for being a witch instead of me! 

People have been doing it a long time--czg himself with czg07--and if someone wants to map that way, let him.

However, having said that, poor optimizations (if they exist) and making something that is only playable by a small portion of the potential audience should be the foremost concern of all designers. 

... how's the optimization on sm82 going? 

Mentioning the fact, that a map requires bit more beefy computer than usually tends to make mappers go silly.

I wonder if there is any "I MAKE MY MAPS TO RUN SMOOTHLY ON A SHOEBOX, WHICH IS ALSO MY COMPUTER" factor in it. 

Shoeboxes suck... go map ;) 

Well, your crazy Australian question has misled me and instead of actually answering your question I've typed this otherwise unreasonable response. 

You five posts ago: Nehahra, for example, might have caused a slowdown for some on lower end machines, but would it be prudent to accuse them of laziness just to cater to the minority of people?

Me five posts before that: Yeah, well, Quake wasn't released six months ago.  

good point friction

btw gf4 was obsolete even at the time of doom3 release (if not before)

increasing load on the PC is fine if its justified by the enhanced visuals (or features)

Lun must be calmed down 

http://www.kolumbus.fi/ville.nieminen/Arc.jpg 

looking forward to this (kinda, it is doom 3 after all :( ) 

doom3 rockes!
(just set g_kicktime "0") 

doom3 rockes!
(just set g_kicktime "0") 

http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/babke2.jpg 

Shame on you, there is no merit to fight with an old woman... doh !!! 

But what if she's possessed by Cthulhu? Is there merit to kill her then? 

what is that?
i don't recognize it. 

from Crime and Punishment 

Oh, if she's possessed by Cthulu, I have to apologize... Let's kill all Hell's gran'Ma ;) 

Is the moneylender wearing a vinyl vest? 

Accept no substitutes!

http://www.kolumbus.fi/ville.nieminen/thingy.jpg 

http://www.chimpans.se/ip/

I and a friend called Fjoggs are making this, its of course a WIP. Its a 2vs2 for quake 3 CPMA.

Btw, very nice engine there Friction. 

Being a WIP, I won't point out that some halls look kinda bland, cuz I figure you guys will fix that. But looks quality so far, gl with it. 

Some interesting textures there - some look almost kothic-ish. Where are they from? 

flamel by http://www.planetunreal.com/undulation/
(ut textures) if anyone wants them in jpg, just ask.

And then some textures by www.badmeat.com mixed from all over his maps.

I love kothic, but its a very narrow set, I would like a follow up someday :D 

or an expansion! 

wait, I mean the textures for 'the color anger', the q3 version. Sorry for being stupido :D 

Fric, awesome! And pipes and everything.

Voodoo, you got some good ideas and nice designs in there. You need to work on the consistency so quality designing is prominent through the whole map. 

Screenies looks good, really nice work !! And thanks for the texture links !!

Oh, and welcome back on Func_: there was a long time you didn't post here ;) 

I haven't really have anything proper to show until now. But yeah, consistency is being worked on. Thanks for the comments. 

the texture from Color of Anger are called Kothic.

well, at least, kell didn't correct me when i was calling them that. O_o 

haven't pimped in here for awhile now so I thought it was about time ;p
My "latest" map, Fjo3tourney1 is nearing beta3. (It's not my first map ;p)
A few screens.

http://www.infosprite.com/members/Fjoggs/Fjo3tourney1_beta2-1.jpg
http://www.infosprite.com/members/Fjoggs/Fjo3tourney1_beta2-2.jpg
http://www.infosprite.com/members/Fjoggs/Fjo3tourney1_beta2-3.jpg

Think i'll have the next beta ready in a few days. 

More pimpage by Fjoggs(and me).

No new screens, but a new beta for invertedpenguin is up at http://www.chimpans.se/map_invertedpenguin.pk3

Still a WIP, so some areas are very sparingly detailed. 

Fuck dude, looks nice... now my own map textured the same will look ass whenever I decide to finish it :( 

How about adding some pipes? Gotta have pipes! 

MY MAP HAS PIPES! YOU WIN THE BATTLE, BUT I WIN THE WAR FJOGGS! 

I tend to agree. Pipes are needed. Looks good although I personally find the texturing a bit....heavy. But build quality and lighting and all look great so that's cool. 

Are you still grinding away at that map? 

Huhey, good to see you again.
I'm missing you on q3w (it's back up) <3

Yeah, I took a break on it for like 4-5 months, due to the .map file being borked three times so I had to decompile it and clean it up alot. :|

Thanks for the feedback. :)
Regarding the pipes: Not sure where I should actually place them and prevent them from looking totally out of place. There's a few pipes in one area, but I can agree that they'r presence is missing. I'll see what I can do. ;) 

http://czg.spawnpoint.org/stuff/shot00013.jpg
http://czg.spawnpoint.org/stuff/tubes.jpg 

czg will you be modeling the schoolgirl, or making her out of patches? My suggestion would be model, as you could make some hawt animations, more wank-factor on her that way. Btw a bukkake button is probably needed too. 

http://lvlworld.com/screenshot.php?s=assault
B======D ~ ~~~ ~~~ (|) 

Hahhahahahaahahhha, I wonder how many people missed that one :D 

Friction you just got out-piped so badly I bet your ass is bleeding! 

I should have been named ASShole, rather than ASSault...
doh !! o_O 

it also looks like a "spider head:.. like tarentula mouth... 

Cheers for that JPLambert, but I think the "ass" joke was kind of implicit in the original title. 

I also have a thought for guys who understand quickly ... but after many long explanations... bleh... 

.. I'm one of these "slow" guys ;) 

No one missed it who played it... the phallic jumppad used shooter_plasma entities for a spermy suprise for anyone bouncing off that way. 

http://scampie.spawnpoint.org/screens/sm124_scampie.jpg 

hahah, where do I get that? :D 

You're all just in love with the original. Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

http://rpg.spawnpoint.org/images/blah/peniledevastation.jpg

czg: pipe hentai porn? Cthulhu would be proud. 

http://www.splintercell3.com/us/splintercellchaostheory/screenshots.php

There are less "ass-dick-cum", but it's rather interesting... ;) 

Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow
It's way too short and not too replayable, and multiplayer interest seems to be lacking. From what I read Chaos Theory is supposed to pick up the slack with less linearity. 

Hey peeps, check out my beta HL2DM map. I'd like to hear from you fockers before compiling the final build:

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=256780&perpage=15&pagenumber=1 

Hawt! It's on fire! 

I like what I see so far -- a nice interweaving town style DM map. The shots seem to have a competent build quality and well executed style. It looks like you're getting some advice on the Steam forums too from people that went through and played the maps. I read some of the commentary and I agree with what's being said -- the fog contrast against the tree models in the background doesn't look so hot, and you do need to optimize things for those on lower end machines. Other than that, it looks good and I can't wait for the final build :) 

Thanks,

The fog is taken care of, as are most of the issues brought up during beta. I am testing the final right now, should be up within six hours. 

Done:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=265374

And direct links for lazy:
BSP - http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=6443
VMF - http://twhl.co.za/mapvault_map.php?id=2815 

but can we have non gay download link that doesn't require me to signup to something shit please? :)

Map looks nice though, will comment more when (if! :D ) I get it 

I am still waiting for mirrors. Just keep checking the thread, I'll update it when people add their links. 

Torrent - http://www.filerush.com/download.php?target=dm_carousel.zip
Temporary direct - http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0EYMYYNSCWKZ704A4ALUITBZVR 

:) 

http://www.kolumbus.fi/ville.nieminen/auxcooler.jpg 

I don't think Friction really needs more comments telling him how good he is.

Thanks for sharing, Fric. :) 

go back to espoo finland 

So that's why you asked if I still live in Espoo. 

It became relevant because it was still in my short term memory. 

I made a demo for the first map of The Abandon - Beta.
It's just my own way of playing the level.

http://members.home.nl/gimli/aban01.dz

Happy Easter! 

http://members.home.nl/gimli/aban02.dz
Where is that Demo Toppic? 

Forgot to beta this last time, so I'll make it up now. xD

Hope this will be the final beta, starting to get tired of it.
Did alot of bot and player optimizing.
VIS is complete bollocks, due to ass construction in the beginning leaving it near imposs to hint and I honestly can't be arsed to do something about it.
Also did some work on the item placement, which I feel is quite good now, thanks Todt. :)

Shott'y's:
http://www.infosprite.com/members/Fjoggs/Fjo3tourney1_beta3-1.jpg
http://www.infosprite.com/members/Fjoggs/Fjo3tourney1_beta3-2.jpg
http://www.infosprite.com/members/Fjoggs/Fjo3tourney1_beta3-3.jpg

Download link:
http://www.infosprite.com/members/Fjoggs/Fjo3tourney1.zip 

Clipping on the grate under the rotating thingy is a bit weird.

The sound the platforms make is a bit weird, especially the stopping sound, and especially on the lift up to the RA.

Lighting is a bit flat.

The rocky corner area has what appears to be some brush cracks up towards the top, which brings me to...

I tried to noclip up there to see what was going on, but Quake 3 crashed with some error complaining about max_num_sky_vertexes or something like that. I dunno what's up with that.

I had a look in your pk3 file and you should sort out your textures and scripts folders. There shouldn't be anything 'borrowed' in there.

I DUNNO

WHATEVER

Nice map, Fjodor. 

One complaint from the screenshots: The walls are all brown, and the floors are all green. It might work well to add a bit more variation. 

I'm not really about to finish this new map, but here are some screenshots of my last Q1SP... There is a foggy effect which I improved (I think) compared to my previous screenies... It's not dark any more, but more (dark-blue/green, with a lower density..)
As I already explained, this map was initially started for DKT3 Winter Pack, and because I was very (very very... etc..) late, I turned it in a bigger project..

http://lambert.jeanphilippe.free.fr/Divers/CDA1.jpg
http://lambert.jeanphilippe.free.fr/Divers/CDA2.jpg
http://lambert.jeanphilippe.free.fr/Divers/CDA3.jpg
http://lambert.jeanphilippe.free.fr/Divers/CDA4.jpg

So, verdict ?? 

Links are broken JPL 

I made a typo mismatch for the link, here are the corect links:

http://lambert.jeanphilippe.free.fr/Divers/CDA1.JPG
http://lambert.jeanphilippe.free.fr/Divers/CDA2.JPG
http://lambert.jeanphilippe.free.fr/Divers/CDA3.JPG
http://lambert.jeanphilippe.free.fr/Divers/CDA4.JPG


Sorry for this... 

I like the design, but the shots are kind of disorienting in that I can't really tell what's going on. I think this might be due to the fog, but it looks like it's underwater or something, and I can't really tell, but everything looks kind of disconnected.

Shot 2 looks the best because you can actually see the brushwork the best in it. That weird arch in shot 4 seems out of place with the style of the building.

Good work so far it seems, but try and take some shots without the fog, and also try and take a wider perspective shot, so we can get a better sense of what's going on. 

for screenshots, could you cut the fog density to about half? it will probably work good ingame with the setting you have now, but for static images, it's hard to make stuff out.

i like the 4 shot with the cool pillar thing. 

fog is too thick 

fog is too thick 

Fog is set to 0.05 0.6 0.8 0.8 (density-R-G-B). Due to its blue-green color and density, and for sure also due to the fact I increased brightness by 80%, it looks like underwater screenies... well, I will set fog density to 0 for future screenshots...
Concerning the pillar things, they have rather to be called "buttress"... It's typically a gothic design.. I try as far as possible to "match" the concept... I placed many of these around the "castle"... so even if you see one which seems to be alone... there are many others, and just one above the player in screenshot 4... ;)
Anyway, I will post more (better I hope) screenies later 8D
Thank for your feedback.. 

you need to texture that flying buttress better, but I guess you knew that :)

Is it based on any particular church, or just general gothicness? 

It's based on general gothicness, and the idea came when I saw Bal photos gallery.. I found the idea rather interesting... 

They look really nice! Good luck with the mapping! 

well, for example, i have an outdoor map, and the density i use for fog is i think around 0.006, which makes a thin haze at around 800-1000 units and makes everything beyond 1000 blend smoothly away (instead of creating a thick wall)
but a thicker fog can have a more oppressive atmosphere, and if you don't mind shrouding your brushwork i'd say leave it as is for the playable version.
anyway, since you can change fog density ingame, it's not a big deal to simply fiddle with settings. 

 

screens look very good. I like the theme.

Also it seems to me that you use the hexen2.wad. If it is so, I like your choice. 

necros: A good fog effect is effectively quite difficult to find, and it's a trade-off between visibility and ambiance... I made many tries before finding these settings (fog 0.05 0.6 0.8 0.8). I think I will not change the fog RGB (dark blue-green color), but for sure the density should be decreased a little bit... As you said, it's really easy to change fog settings with the console command ingame.. Nevertheless, I will made further test to see how I can improve it ;)..

PuLSaR: I started the map for the DKT3 1000 brushes Winter Pack (launched in October/November 2004). I missed the "delivery date" in early December, due to the birth of my last daughter.. :) So I decided to follow the idea of this pack: mapping with only DKT3 texture set. But here I forget the 1000 brushes limitation... (I'm rather near 4000 now !! he he he...). Furthermore, there are no Hexen2 textures in the map, only DKT3 textures, and one extra textures (for "rockish generated terrain") coming from a wad file I found on "geneticrose" web site (which doesn't work any more...)...

In anyway, thanks to all for your feedback.. I will post more screenies later, with a better quality I hope.. ;) 

jeez, turn your brightness down :(

When someone with their brightness where it's supposed to be plays that it'll be dark as hell. 

CTF iz back >:E

http://www.infosprite.com/members/Fjoggs/Fjo3ctf1_3.jpg
http://www.infosprite.com/members/Fjoggs/Fjo3ctf1_4.jpg 

Linky no worky for me :( 

worked a few mins ago, sure it will be up in a short while... 

http://www.kolumbus.fi/ville.nieminen/empty.jpg 

looking great as always. Is it a single map or a whole episode? You've been posting shots for a while now :) Don't think I've seen the same areas many times either. 

It is more than just one map however. 

"Iv made a picture of many cool loking map screenshots tiled together. Custom maps from different fps (quake, q3 and ut mostly)
It looks nice, can be your backdrop, give some inspiration or just make you wonder what maps are those.

1280x960 (get this)
http://www.planetquake.com/speedy/..."

Thats cool Vodka, wow even one of electro+I maps on there :D 

Also a shot of a map I never released hehehe 

the link it totally fucked :(

Killaz fix it now moran!!!! :D+ 

welcome back!

now fix your fucking link you twit. 

http://www.chimpans.se/invertedpenguin.zip

This is what I would like to call a final, if there are any issues, please report. Made for cpma 2vs2. 

lol @ the url.

But can we have some pics please? :) 

some semi-new ones at http://www.chimpans.se/ip/
Lighting has been updated, and the corridor with blood under the fencing has also been updated. Will take new screens when I can be arsed. 

You've got some good (albeit typical) details going on. However, I really don't think the theme is consistant enough; especially with colors and lighting. The textures include a lot of oranges and browns, but there are also lots of greens, blues, and reds.

And the lighting is predominantly pure white, but it also includes orange and blue. This is bad. In Quake 3, pure white lighting is a no no; and having such a wide variance in colors is rather gaudy. So if your lighting was mostly orange with a few complimentary colors spread around (maybe red or yellow) it would not only look better, but also more consistant. 

Well as offically crowned twit I can't find that url, though its somewhere in the posts here.

I've uploaded some shots of maps I did for a failed project(sadly).

http://members.optusnet.com.au/flipeth/oldshots/teua_1.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/flipeth/oldshots/teua_2.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/flipeth/oldshots/teua_3.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/flipeth/oldshots/teua_4.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/flipeth/oldshots/teua_5.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/flipeth/oldshots/teub_1.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/flipeth/oldshots/teub_2.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/flipeth/oldshots/teub_3.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/flipeth/oldshots/teub_4.jpg
http://members.optusnet.com.au/flipeth/oldshots/teub_5.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/flipeth/oldshots/
Or just have a look in there 

Though they mostly border on nonsensical...

They still look cool though. 

TEU died? :(

Shame, there were some nice maps in that 

they are some fantastic shots. What was the project? Mp or Sp? 

Really nice screenshots !! But we need more informations, like required nitin.. Which games (Doom3 I guess...), which project, etc.. etc.. ?? 

Does that look like Doom3 to you?

Klz, very nice looking. Also requesting more info on this TEU thing.

Also, can we steal the textures? 

It looks like alot of it is the andromeda set by Speed, but I dunno about the lower grungier areas. 

hmm. a few nice shots, a few crap shots. a month of polish on that and it'd look fantastic killaz 

Overall the texture set is too monochrome for my taste, but otherwise the map looks nice. Are you planning on releasing this? 

was a project that a year or so ago me, killaz, electro, etc were mapping for. All the textures are by speedy so if you want them then mail his arse :)

Shame the project has died, but when I left there was a certain amount of arguing going on so sadly it doesn't come as much of a shock :(

Shame to let the maps go to waste tho! Do something with it eh Killaz :)

err the TEU website (if its still up) : http://teu.quakepit.com/index.php 

Engine was basically a Q2 on steroids with the most subtle bumpmapping ever! Everyone told me it had sweet bumpmapping, but I only managed to witness it on one texture and even then only by splitscreen comparision. I loved to harass people about that. 

are in the q2 engine, then they are even more imprressive. 

That's why I was guessing it was D3/Q3 screenies ;) 

Y'know, it seems like a crime that almost all the team projects you've worked on or led, which all look so awesome, end up not working out. Why must you tease with your pretty electronic flowers? Think of all the awesome gaming we do not get to play, but can only wonder about how awesome it is. THINK OF IT AND WEEP!!! 

I am a bad luck charm obviously =)

And to clear up confusion, that isnt the q2 engine, its completely ripped up and rebuilt q2 engine =) using q3bsp and curves etc. and shaders. Basicly its q3 with some added knobs on :D 

sob 

http://www.kolumbus.fi/ville.nieminen/4545.jpg 

u rok 

Unbelievability.

Good job, but please make something that can run on my computer. 

but the foreground seems much more detailed than the rest. DO you have a different shot of that area? 

<doom3world> "oMG TAHT SI TEH BSET LEVAL EVAR i AM CURENTLY HIRING LVEL DESINERS FOR MY MOD WUOLD YOU LEIK TO JOIN MY MOD TEEM" </doom3world>

Seriously though, it looks good (although I've being seeing shots of this map for so long now, I almost feel as if I've played it ^_~)

Looking forward to it :D 

http://www.kolumbus.fi/ville.nieminen/for_nitin.jpg

I guess I'll take a short break from abusing the F12, this is getting excessive. 

now I *know* I've seen at least three different shots of that area now. 

Hope he's careful with it. 

The map looks quality, but the light looks over bright for the room. I'd tone it down a bit, but besides, thats great sexiness. 

Really nice screenshot ! I love these blood splashes on the ground... terrific !
BTW, I agree with ProdXL, lower light level would increase insecurity feeling ... thought... ;)
Keep it up ! 

That's it, I vote that the name of this thread is changed to something more accurate, like Friction's Screenshots. 

When a Doom3 map is being too well lit. So beware!! 

is much better at showing off the room. The lighting level is not the issue IMHO, it's just that it seems to be at a constant level throughout the room. Otherwise, it looks very good. 

http://blitz.circa1984.com/dm_ortho20007.jpg

Upcoming HL2DM map. 

Walls look a bit bare imo, maybe its just a dull texture to use? try slapping some posters or anything to liven it up a bit perhaps!

Trim on the raised floor looks a bit too thick as well imo.

Lighting looks a tad dark, maybe move the spotlights closer to the walls to get some cool "V" shaped spotcones hitting them.

Hmm overly negative I geuss, but all easy to fix imo. GG 

Point taken on the trims, lighting is going to be relatively unchanged, gg. 

I'm not impressed from the Screen shot.

But, like DaZ said, it could be easy to fix and add some detail. I would add yellow-ish lighting to it. Because I'm cool like that. 

I don't really have any complaints with the lighting, but I have to agree about the walls. Too flat and not enough details. It seems awfully clean, so maybe some additional slime decals? 

to me it looks uncluttered which is the opposite of most HL2 dm maps. RPG is right about the flatness of the walls. Something as simple as raising or lowering that right sided wall could help it feel like a fuller volume of space. 

thought it was about time i actually posted something.

http://kinn.spawnpoint.org/doomage/shot00015.jpg
http://kinn.spawnpoint.org/doomage/shot00012.jpg
http://kinn.spawnpoint.org/doomage/shot00013.jpg

still kinda WIP though :/ 

Nice and dark instead of the usual bright and shiny stuff. Maybe could use a bit more brush detail on the supports and non-mechanical bits. And the floor is really dark (seems to be a problem with most screenshots of Doom 3 custom maps).

Now go finish the rest of this WIP! 

People tried to do anything different apart from the usual Doom 3 base stuff? 

doom3 is mostly base stuff 

Isn't anyone doing any new textures, or is it too much work? I mean, I know it's alot of work, but with all the other texture effects and stuff it's even more... 

Isn't anyone doing any new textures, or is it too much work? I mean, I know it's alot of work, but with all the other texture effects and stuff it's even more...

I'm doing two new texture sets for my ship. And yes, it's a metric fuckload of work. :(
You'll get all my sexy spaceship textures, of course, when Byzantine is done.

Also, Kinn, please fix your monitor. If there's nothing wrong with the monitor, fix your brightness in Doom3. If there's nothing wrong with either of them, then you need to look again because as I said I cannot see a single thing other than light fixtures in any of those images. 

This is actually because of the uneven lighting model of Doom3 stock lights. Light that extends 16 units beyond a wall, light up the wall much much brighter than a light extending 16 units into floor. So make those lights extra tall! 

It rocks! Only thing it's missing is a full rust/waste set. The enpro/outside/recycle isn't quite enough. Also some 512x512 concretes. Then i'd be happy. 

I just haven't seen anyone doing much different from what we already have in Doom 3.

Except for that one outdoors DM map. 

so yeah what lunaran says. 

The angular parts are nice, you've got the right ideas for the lights and the normals are brought out fairly nicely, just need to light that floor up a notch and it'll be nice :)

Other then that, make more god damn it!

Z 

replaced the axe in Quake1.
texturing is hard, because of no base dxf.
but it soars already.

http://members.home.nl/gimli/frame0.jpg 

have a try, and tell me.
http://members.home.nl/gimli/v_axe.mdl 

did you try playing with gl_flashblend set to 0? that yellow globes around dynamic lights sucks, isn't it? you can disable them. 

http://blitz.circa1984.com/dm_ortho20012.jpg

rawr

still chugging away on my HL2DM! 

Nice screenshots.. The "green-slimed" fog effect is really impressive. even if concrete texture used in this bunker-like architecure seems to be.. let's say too much "flat" IMHO.. but lightning effects, while there is not amount of lights, is really good... It sounds good ! 

for the comments way up there... yeh its a shame the project died but I guess that happens a lot with online projects, small teams etc.

I don't really know what else I could do with those maps now anyway.. I guess they just stay as screenshots! 

Not bad, but why must all the dirt and grim remain at the bottom? 

Is that a sword? It kind of looks like an uncleaned barbecue stake. 

Thanks for the advice Vondur, I'll try it.
Now I have my base frame textured I start up in quake spinning like a wheel.
Could it be the *.mdl is placed to low?
http://members.home.nl/gimli/frame1.jpg 

This one looks better ! 

the great Catweazel be thanked the surrounding has stopped spinning. 

I had a lost vertice in the dxf which screwed up the hand. This one is better, although you'll have to push the refresh button, i think. Rather clean sword, but it is still brand new.

Vondur, I tried youre gl_flashblend in the autoconfig.cfg and the yellow globe disappeared
but starting up again it was back. 

... after a furious couple of mapping sessions involving a near complete QSP, I find myself with a QDM 4v4 level ready for tesing (don't worry Scraggy it's not one of the QT levels :)

I need a few experienced DM level builders and experienced QDM 4v4 players too offer criticism before I involve Apollyon and some of the Smackdown clans in full blown testing.

Offers? 

yes I will be releasing a QSP version of the level that includes slightly more brushwork. So SP only players can give me hand then. 

Send the detailed info to my e-mail if you can't get on IRC. Also, I saw that screen that you DCC'd to me...it said 'd3dm' but it looked like Quake...unless D3 means distrans 3 and not Doom 3 :D 

... Doom 3? Quake? We'll see... :D

I'll email you the level. Anyone else? 

send it to me. I (kind of) play in nqr, so i know alot of decent 4on4 players who could offer criticism 

A little 'sumthin 'sumthin.
Always wanted to do a base styled map, so I tried something a bit different then what I've seen.
Lighting is a bit bright, as I haven't done anything with it at all. :p

http://www.infosprite.com/members/Fjoggs/shizzle-1.jpg
http://www.infosprite.com/members/Fjoggs/shizzle-2.jpg 

...will do. 

Cheers,

You don't see walls like those every day . . . 

beautiful stuff :O

i'm interested to see how that style transfers to larger, more open areas. really nice work so far. 

light that properly and it will look excellent.

Also, if you have shots of larger areas, I like killjoy am interested in seeing them. 

What nitin and killjoy said... Interesting design, and good work... We want more screenshots ! 

Sexcopter. I too want atria and not just hallways.

Also, check out rpg3dm2, you might like the textures.
http://rpg.spawnpoint.org/rpg3dm2.html 

Someone done went and p1mped RPGDM2! 

I pimped the textures :) 

http://co-mic.de/a.jpg
http://co-mic.de/b.jpg
http://co-mic.de/c.jpg
its alpha....still 

the architecture looks interesting, but those textures and lighting make me want to barf :( 

What is this supposed to be? 

I think it's supposed to be some kind of flesh processing plant or slaughterhouse-y type thing. 

would be perfectly suited to a bit of Pete Parisi's BadMeat texture lovin'. 

Continue with it. It looks promising. 

yes should be a kind of slaughterhouse
btw just own textures and shaders, scampie ty :o( 

 

"Barf" is an informal word that means "vomit" or "throw up." 

ah...ok ty RPG 

http://republika.pl/quake_1/area2.jpg
still much work to do here 

The beta for dm_ortho is out! Get it here: http://blitz.circa1984.com/dm_ortho_b1.zip

A screenshot can be found here: http://img226.echo.cx/img226/5559/dmortho9wr.jpg 

Got it, I'll try it out with you later tonight sometime if you're free. No school tomorrow, so no worries. 

http://members.home.nl/gimli/quake27.jpg
http://members.home.nl/gimli/quake28.jpg 

poor quake 

Please never stop posting. 

I'made a new map I need some advices :
http://www.planetquake.com/here/lostchildren.htm
map for RTCW MP and size : 27 megs
Anyway if u are too lazy to dl it you have the screenies.

Give me your feelings. 

I can't check the map as I don;t have RTCW installed, but looking at the screenshots I am impressed. Visually, and theme-wise, it's a LOT better than the other maps I've seen you post. A lot more stylish and consistent. It looks good - nice theme, nice atmosphere, nice lighting.

There's one obvious improvement you should make, though: Put some different brick/stone textures on some of the buildings. With all the same texture it looks artificial and unconvincing - if you have some variety it would look more like a real lost city.

Also, in the second shot, the curved ledge on the left should have a texture to match the cobbles on the side of the ledge - at the moment it just goes straight into brick which is wrong. And, you could do with less crates, or at least more variety of crates, in that big cratey area.

Good luck! 

http://www.infosprite.com/members/BlackDog/bdog_d3map_1.jpg
http://www.infosprite.com/members/BlackDog/bdog_d3map_2.jpg
http://www.infosprite.com/members/BlackDog/bdog_d3map_3.jpg

I see this more as practice for q4 than an actual map that I should finish and release. 

I hope you do make progress with that because that little bit so far is looking good. I like the style, with some nice angles and a hefty chunk of rock to break up the baseness of it all. I do think a bit of colour in the rocky area would be nice as it's quite stark at the moment. 

Wow, that's some of the best rock that I've seen in a while. 

finish that map! 

A try to make the Q2-Grrl look good in Quake!

http://members.home.nl/gimli/soldier.zip 

 

I think I can fix that with a bit of blending.

And Headthump, please don't fuck my rocks. 

I'm just saying those are some good looking rocks. 

I'd say please don't fuck any rocks. 

Get your rocks off, but don't get off on the rocks. 

HeadThump: <3 

http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/fugly_game_2.jpg

http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/fugly_game_1.jpg
http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/fugly_game_3.jpg 

I vote colored lighting the best games industry invention since texture mapping. It makes everything look so much better. 

I laughed out loud when I saw the face in the corner on the last image.

Absolutely brilliant. 

what the hell is that from?!? o_O 

That face looks a lot like this really (really) old image I made:

http://www.lunaran.com/art/adrenaline.jpg 

Okay I think this will be the last beta before final.

I took many of the suggestions given by biff, Shambler, Daz, pope, and I think it is much better now.

About the jump pad though...it works fine as long as you don't stand still on it -- in HL2 you need to keep moving in the direction you want to go. So when you're attempting a jump, the best way to go is just to run at it in the direction + launch upward you want to go.

Also, there is a texture misalignment on the inside of the vent fan, I already fixed it my next save, I just didn't noticed it after I did the compile.

http://blitz.circa1984.com/dm_ortho_b3.zip 

;) 

You didn't listen to any of my suggestions? :( I'll give it a try tho. 

Zwiffle too. Mea culpa. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa. 

JESUS HAS MADE A SPECIAL BUTTERFLY JUST FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU BLITZ!!! 

that look very very good :

http://www.quake3world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51&start=385&sid=56984c57049b767521d194fe1f37b086

Scroll down to see the shots posted by scrotch. 

The last screenshot is so far the best ! 

Blitz, will check later.

Nitin, well pointed out, those look really good. 

I just realized its over two years since my last login...time flies for a newborn father I guess.. forgot my pass and changed my e-mail as well :l

Found a Q3 map I just about finished before my daughter came and realized it's not all that bad... a little dusty but still...or?

http://web.comhem.se/~u70315877/shot1.htm 

After looking at scrotch's shots mine are dusty in deed :l
Beautiful work there! 

Snaga: it looks like you've got some good shapes, spaces, and lighting going on, but the detail level in several spots looks more on par with Q1 than Q3. Also, the textures seem a bit plain, and although that's not bad in itself (e.g. geocomp maps) it just exacerbates the situation with the details. About half of the indoor stuff looks tasty, though. Such as shots 5 and 8.

On the other hand, pro gamers will probably prefer the sparseness of details. 

have killer lighting.

But rpg is right about detail and texturing. 

Nice clean style and great lighting, good build quality too, but a few stronger designs would be good. Not that it's not good at the moment, that is. 

I'm going to go with the general consensus and say it looks really good but needs a little more love.

Personally, I quite like the textures. Slightly more detail on some of the panels might work, but it's funny that you jokingly talk of the design seeming dusty, because there is indeed an interesting dusty abandoned base look to them, and I think it might be cool to play to that more by having cobwebs here and there (look to RtCW's cobwebs for a good way of doing these), and giving some lights a subtle volumetric effect with scrolling dust motes. Slightly less saturated colours on your contrast lighting might work well if you play up the dust aspect.

Also, get some phong shading on those rocks, it'll make them look much nicer. 

Thanks for input yall:)
I do agree with you in the lack of detail in most pics. My intention from the start was to make the map fast in game, beeing sparse with detailing. But I guess that, as R.P.G pointed out, can only be pulled off by fooling the eye with more detailed textures, or making stunning architecture.

I don't think I have it in me to finish the map but it's always nice to get feedback on something you done. 

Surely, it just needs a few crates? 

release a beta? 

http://rpg.spawnpoint.org/images/blah/sm82soon.jpg 

Looks good, u 

It's Dagnabbit hunting season soon! Just let me crossbow and head out into the highlands! 

thanks shambler

I understand what you mean and i will work again on this map after my exam... for another texture I will use the "jackboot pack" the bricks are green but i can filter it in red. I m agree with u I must use irregulary brick textures. I will work. 

ke, here's some partly artia shots, but it's kinda small sized artia. :p
Not all that satisfied with it, but i guess it's ok.

http://www.infosprite.com/members/Fjoggs/shizzle-3.jpg
http://www.infosprite.com/members/Fjoggs/shizzle-4.jpg

And for no reason:
http://www.infosprite.com/members/Fjoggs/shizzle-5.jpg 

...completely nonsensical, but very funky =). 

Neat. Quake 3? Looks good. 

. 

Industrial style, made of UT series but I'm sure can be used in any game :

http://www.planetunreal.com/phalanx/ 

Here are some screenshots from my last project... It has been started since Winter contest pack.. remember...
I already sent other screenies 2 month ago, and now I'm working to improve the gameplay...
I hope it will be released before the end of June... ;)

http://lambert.jeanphilippe.free.fr/Divers/CDA5.JPG
http://lambert.jeanphilippe.free.fr/Divers/CDA6.JPG
http://lambert.jeanphilippe.free.fr/Divers/CDA7.JPG
http://lambert.jeanphilippe.free.fr/Divers/CDA8.JPG
http://lambert.jeanphilippe.free.fr/Divers/CDA9.JPG

Enjoy ! 

JPL, the butresses look great. Only crits I see are:
1.) Some areas look fullbright. May not be a problem, I tend to make darker maps so fullbright gets on my nerves.
2.) You might want to scale up the lava texture 2x2 or 3x3. It tends to help prevent the feel that the lava is fake. 

though I have not played any of your other maps, this one looks so much better than your past efforts, build wise.

As Zwif said, the indoor area is too bright imo, try fiddling with the lighting some, and ditto with the lava texture. 

very nice!
go finish it!

little hint: to make proper screens disable gun drawing by typing r_drawviewmodel 0 and crosshair 0 at the console. 

 

Looks very good!
release it soon! 

Thanks for encouraging me, I hope the final release will give you a max of fun !!
Some more infos: the map has originally fog density set up to 0.08, and here I dicreased it down to 0.04, in order to see more stuff in the screenshots. As well, I tuned gamma correction to 1.6, which seems to increae fullbright effect... during "real" play, it's not so bright... I played the map in DM mode in order not to be disturbed by monsters.. The map is an SP map, and right now there are 117 monsters.. I have to improve gameplay, add monsters, adding skill setting features, and it will be ready ;) Wait and see, be patient...
Oh ! Thanks Vondur for the console command ;) I didn't know it.
Zwiffle, thanks for the advice about the lava texture scale, I will try it this evening ;) 

Cool stuff. Are those Hexen2 textures? Some of the shots remind me of the last bit of hexen 2 (which I've just played for the first time -- slow on the uptake, me?). 

Looking good baby, it's obvious what to improve. P.S. There is no fog in Quake - maybe you need to update your video card drivers if you're getting strange effects like that. 

No, the textures are all coming from DKT3 pack.. As I explained 2 month ago, I started this map for the Winter Pack, but I was very late at this time (due to the birth of my last daughter :D ), then I switched to a more "personnal" project, and a much bigger one: the map is close to 32500 clipnode, and marksurface exceed 32767 max value... it is close to 33150 or something like this.... I suppose I will not be able to reduce MarkSurface value, but I guess increasing heapsize can solve the problem (you now the -heapsize field in the engine command)... I have to test this point as well.. BTW, anybody can confirm that heapsize increase (with a "big" value) is a kind of "turnaround" about MarkSurface exceedind max value? 

Sorry, but there are foggy effect possibilities with GL engine.. With FitzQuake, or aguirRe's GLQuake, just type fog in the console command, and you will get the explanations... something like fog <density> <R> <G> , with each value ranged in 0 to 1.. (BTW, my settings are fog 0.08 0 0.5 0.5), which gives a low density fog with a blue-green color.. Or maybe are you joking Shamy ?? 

looks nice. 

Shambler was making a joke about the fog, saying that you are using a "broken" form of Quake. :) 

Beta 4 of my latest map is up for anyone following

http://blitz.circa1984.com/dm_ortho_b4.zip 

wrong LoadBrushModel: wrong version number
234124124124124 (or whatever) should be 29. 

:)
what game should it be for? 

ahahaha 

fuhquake'll load those too in a couple of years!
(it already loads hl maps) 

I assumed it was for Quake, as well... because you didn't mention which game it was for. On this board, everything is Quake by default. 

I had posted a few betas and screens before, but I forget that some people visit the board intermittently, and therefore don't know. 

PWND!

P.S. Fuhquake my arse. What's wrong with just playing HL2 as HL2 and Quake as Quake...

Blitz, getting. 

Well yeah I must admit I haven't used that hl map loading feature ever...
But otherwise fuhquake is a very solid lump of code. Very little bugs. 

Is that supposed to be pronounced fuck-wake? I honestly have no idea.

(sorry, I'll post screenshots of something here later or something to make up for all my shit posts) 

Now that's the sort of room-service I would definately tip. 

I heard czg works at a hotel in Norway, Kinn. He fluffs pillows and whatnot. 

I'd heard his occupation described as "fluffer" before, but I didn't actually know what the job entailed. 

So is that a no? 

I pronounce it Fuh-Quake. But you're free to pronounce it however you want it. 

I thought so, but then I began to wonder if the author didn't fancy himself clever. "Hee! they'll be saying 'fuck' and not even know it!" 

Hey guys!
Let me introduce You my upcoming, first Quake3 DM map! It is in beta state now, I want to ask You to check it out, and to tell me your design/gameplay comments. There are lots of talented mappers here (or maybe all of them are here?!), whose style I really love (the quake-ish quake3 mapping style), and gave me so much impressions.
The level is released on lvlworld's beta section (http://lvlworld.com/beta.php), but if You don't want to go there here is the map:

http://zorius.dionussos.com/files/galvanized.zip

a shot to make some taste:

http://zorius.dionussos.com/images/temp/lvlbeta.jpg

Anyway, on lvl You will find more information about it.
Hope You will like it, please post any kind of advices, even major design comments!
Thanks 

ikka's map. 

I meant that in a good way. 

This is what should have been my map in the Lost Chapter pack.
I didn't make it to the deadline but a month ago I continued building on it.
Almost done.

http://www.hrimfaxi.dk/co.htm 

Looks good. I'm surprised you couldn't finish it given how you can usually whip up a pretty damn good map in a few hours ;) 

or be more? 

When I didn't make the deadline I just thought "To hell with the limit!"

At the moment it's around 3300 brushes. 

if You meant it in a good way. I didn't want tocopy his map, rather it's a big respect to him! 

make that into a sequel for the chapters:
the appendix. 

gl_flashblend! 

yum ^_^

"To hell with the limit!"

Too right - the limit was only relavent to the deadline/organisation of multiple maps by multiple authors. Looks like it will significantly benefit from the investment of extra time and brushes.

I would recommend setting a skybox though - with the amount of sky texture I'm seeing in the 3rd screenshot the ease of rendering would probably be worth it. 

Bah, stupid black bug. :P
early lighting test of a lil project of mine. :)

http://www.infosprite.com/members/Fjoggs/teh-3.jpg 

Shambler: He he, well I like to think my bigger maps has some more heart and soul than the speedmaps. Speedmaps are ok but are only sketches for bigger maps.
The idea I had for this map just woulden't fit in the 1666 limit!
I got to 1585 brushes and had a long way to go. so I either would have to delete some of the map or just skip the Chapter pack.

Kell: Skybox! Yeah will do! I just haven't gotten around to it yet. But your right I'm sure the map will run slow on some machines without. There are some big outdoor areas that will benefit from a skybox! 

those salmon stairs are in a serious need of some water!! You could make it appear to run all the way to the sea... (behind the corner or sth... if you will use that skybox).

Otherwise it's a bit bad to say, since that is only a small part and one doesn't know how it all fits together. Maybe more contrastey sky light, so that the torches would light up the dark under-the terrace area? I assume the rock part is open-air. 

I'm looking forward to playing that map! 

here we go, 2 playtesting betas. similar, but with slight item changes and teleporter differences. as the map title says, this is a PLAYTESTING beta, so please dont complain about how it looks or anything like that. its a 1on1 quakeworld map... hf!

http://www.qwplayers.org/inertia/inerb15c.bsp
http://www.qwplayers.org/inertia/inerb15b.bsp 

GG Fjoggs! Now stop mucking around and go and finalise your overdue tourney map. 

It's looking sweet. 

Woah, teh s3xy! 

A good start. Whether one likes Idbase or not it's a pretty neatly made map. I like the layout and the tall central room. I think you need to work on the textures and details though - the repetitive wall texture gets well boring, and it could do with some stronger designs, it's a bit boxy ATM. But the basic shape is a good start yeah.

Oh, gameplay, there is gameplay? Ummmm yeah I prefer the second one, first one is teleport heavy. Even the second could do with a lift or something, teleporters are kinda meh. Looks like it could play well, though. 

thanks for the feedback. as stated previously, im tweaking gameplay over visuals, so it will look prettier soon :) where would you put the lift in the second map (inerb15c.bsp i presume)? 

that looks very sweet

it seems the season of good quake releases has been started. Can't wait to play it. 

http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/newmap1.jpg 

what 

the 

ballsac? 

is working on the new Postal game, poor poor man :)NOW STICK A CAT ON YOUR COCK AND FIRE IT AT YOURSELF AND GO AWAY! 

I know it's not much at this point, but I was working on this months ago. Once I get some college app crap done I should have a few months to work on the rest. It's gonna be a 3 or 4 map episode. Or maybe 8 if I feel like it. Here's just part of the start map. After going through a "Bioscan" you'll end up boarding a big ship and can partially explore it. Then the main level loads.

http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/op/ 

Looks cool. I would make the lighting have a bit more contrast, though. Otherwise the details and the level of detail is pretty good. 

...and a good execution of Idbase.

Seriously though, good start, and good luck. 

Nice sense of atmosphere. 'Gold' Id base is kinda making me nostalgic for Scourge's first level. 

That's dark, even for me. 

Well, I'm on an LCD. I have my gamma set to something near what my CRT was, which was usually fine, but there may or may not be major differences between what we see. 

its really bright, actually, here 

I know this looks really shitty but I'm no artist. I'm working on a little intro video thing for the addon:

http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/op/storyboard.jpg 

1. Pan past frigate ship, seeing load/unload arm set down a crate.
2. Panning past shipping base, see dog (actually has a bit of significance) moving...
3. Entering the frigate ship corridor. Probably bigger than I drew, door will open...
4. Going through starfield/space
5. In cockpit and we see we are about to impact with ground after malfunction
6. Important plot subject: secured crate carrying unknown creature is shattered, creature apparently missing.
7. Entering unknown abandoned outpost for help
8. ?

Inbetween certain scenes will be text kinda explaining the plot, and music. 

And does the addon have any substance yet? 

As I mentioned earlier. I have the story mostly worked out as of now, just struggling with at title. 

It's a bit unclear -
1)first loading ship,
2)then showing shipping base,
3-4)but then showing the ship moving? Is this the ship that was loaded in scene 1? Then why were we shown scene 2 in the middle?

You could add a scene of the ship lifting off or something. 

But unfortunately I have to cut some corners.... this is Quake 1 afterall. I'm only interested in keeping Q1 as it is, pretty much. Which means no custom code. 

generic cutscene, mark 2 

I know of no way to implement them anyway. 

Gibson: You want me to replace the villain with a dog? I mean nobody will know what's going on.
Homer: They will if you set up that the dog is evil. All you do is have to show him doing this. [lowers eyelids and glances around in shifty-eyed fashion] The people will suspect the dog. 

 

So you have new maps ready, yes? Maybe the odd new monster or weapon? 

No new monsters/weapons.

Working on ship interior...
http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/op/ship2.jpg

Will probably redo that curvy-pipe area. 

Architecture looks good, even if the pipe in the ceiling is not really good (as you said...) On the other hand, I guess you didn't work yet on lightning effects, isn't it ?? This part needs a real impovement ... 

All a work in progress. What I usually do is one element at a time, be it a room or important object (in this case the freighter ship). Then I go through with lighting and other entities. 

OK, I understand your "flow"... I (try to) do map like this as well, but I rather prefer to work on lightning effects at the same time... It gives me a better overview of what finally will be the map look...
IMHO, there is no real "universal" and "unique" mapping method, so the most important is to be consistent and to have fun ;) .. Keep it up ! 

Most of you have seen the first shot. I'm working on this during an uninspired hiatus from Doom3.

http://lunaran.com/pics/lunsp1_1.jpg
http://lunaran.com/pics/lunsp1_2.jpg
http://lunaran.com/pics/lunsp1_3.jpg
http://lunaran.com/pics/lunsp1_4.jpg

The map is called Concentric Devastation. 

looks uber-tasty :)

can't wait to see your improved zer enforcers >:} 

I bet the last screen involves some electrocution. 

Looks very promising, but I think that "q2 warehouse" textures can/should be replaced by something else, they don't quite fit the Quake theme imho. The uber-green water/slime texture also looks odd. Other than that, looks good. 

But other than that it looks ok. 

it's the same as in lundead.wad - I'm surprised it looks that good in the shots. Maybe because it's quite dark? Anyway I felt it didn't fit the quake palette that well, having banding and spots because of being pure gray and not any brown. :) 

I knew you would do it! Keep rocking it moon style! 

You rock !! These screenshots are really good, while I found the green slime color really ugly... Anyway, I hope this map will be released soon... ;) 

Don't like the rock texture at all, doesn't look right and clashes with the building texture.

Aside from that it rocks. Stecki.wad is nice. 

... 

...the tower is back now that machines and engines can handle it. I'm not so fussed about the the textures. I actually thought the rock was pretty good. The slime is bleh, but I assume it's there to facilitate the return of what's-his-name from Uzuldaroom (?) but I'm probably wrong. If I am, consider a different (and upscaled) slime tex. Coloured light for this one Lun? 

I typed a whole reply and the board ate it with a sql error. Posting first to make sure it won't happen again. 

Bleh, what had I said before?

The textures are a mash from the Reckoning expansion. The nice rock in shot 1 is from Koohoo (which is from ... hexen?) and the less nice rocks in the other shots are from Reckoning. I could easily just texture all the rock with the Koohoo tex if the other ones are that offensive.

bambuz and distrans are right - there will be some sizzling of Rangoonshinaa (from Koohoo - uzuldaroum is the DM map) at the end, but there'll be a bit of a puzzle involved in configuring the electrodes right. >D

As for the slime - is it that bad? It used to be e1m2-sky-purple which was even worse, but I don't know how else to color it.

Jago, I'm digging the grey, but you might turn out to be right - I'll see how wierd it looks once I put in brown Quake monsters. But, with most of the map built, just replacing the entire texture set won't exactly be simple ... 

That is all. 

That is all. 

lunaran, finish the map before you turn pro completely. 

yeah, some bad texturing
but whatever 

Okay, cool, well, good luck with the mapping. I can't comment on the storyboard as that stuff has no interest to me until the add-on pack it's part of is complete (like in game preview videos, I never download the "cinematic trailers" as they are just irrelevant bullshit compared to in-game trailers). But I hope it works out anyway, and yeah keep going with the maps and all. 

I could easily just texture all the rock with the Koohoo tex if the other ones are that offensive.

Yes. Yes it is. It even raped my mother.

Other than that, looks wicked Lun. Personally I like the grey texturing, although maybe a bit more of the tan textures from the 4th shot would be nice.

And as for the slime, I like the green, but maybe a slightly more vibrant shade. 

The slime looks fine to me. But I really hate fussing over the shade of a texture, so maybe that's just my general view of texture choices. 

Listen to Vondur's words. 

screenshots look excellent.

and...finish the map! 

You know, I actually like that green slime. It stands out, but then again a great big lake of poisonous slime SHOULD stand out. 

Still working on the freighter ship. The back needs work, and some detail work maybe on the rest of it. The engine glow texture I'm not entirely happy with, but I prefer to work within Quake's stock texture set, it's more challenging even if limiting.

The pipe stuff inside the ship looks fine in editor, but in-game you can see some cracks. I guess they could be there for effect, but not what I originally intended.

- http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/op/1.jpg
- http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/op/2.jpg
- http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/op/3.jpg 

Yeah, change the engine texture.
Hope there's a believable way the crates were loaded upon the ship... 

I'm still thinking of where I want to put like a loading door/bay thing, I figure from the other side, would need to remove some lights n' stuff (left side interior). 

Eh-eh !! Nice starship screenshots !! It reminds me some seventies science fiction series ... cool ! 

Loading bay doors could easily go in the floor of the area where the crates are and you can turn the pipework into an overhead gantry for the lifting gear. Lots of industry now uses suction to move objects about, including large crates, so no worries about forklift trucks or pallets (I read this argument recently about crates being in places where crates shouldn't be and it just shows how inexperienced in life some people are - http://www.ergonomiclifting.com/ )

Also, for the textures, you could manipulate some of the standard textures a bit to give a throbbing effect - look at the 'slip' textures to see a throbbing red colour. I am not saying use it but it gives the idea.

Anyway, just an idea. 

Fairly nice shots

If at all possible, try curving the pipe instead of angling it. I think it would look better. 

These are really tough only because the pipes sections themselves are semi-circles. Even getting things connected as they were is a bit of a problem on an angle. Like I said, appears fine in editor, but cracks are visible in-game. Ever tried to do vertical pipes that curve? Tough huh? ;-)

I like your idea about lifting gear, Mike. 

Maybe try scaling that texture up even more on the back of the engines so that you just have a solid light blue glow instead of the lines. I would also recess that blue section into the engines slightly so that you can stick a really bright light inside the rim of the engine. Might make it look more convincing. 

Interesting idea and it's looking pretty good already. BTW, you need to fix the textures at the edges of the ship where the brown plates meet the techy stuff in an Unnaturally Abrupt Texture Join(tm) - a pet peeve of mine.

Anyway, keep it going.... 

Hangar:
http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/op/big.jpg 

 

Heh...
http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/op/big3.jpg bo0bs 

http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/op/s4_1.wmv 1.8 MB

I'm wondering if the light coming in from the sky might be too contrasting w/ the rest of the hangar or if it's alright. Of course, I'm still working on everything here, so there won't be a headless ship or a big gaping sky at one end. 

Very impressive... Concerning the sky, personnaly I would have used a "black with stars" texture box... Anyway, the hangar and the ship are really well made... It's a very good work... Just a question: is for a SP or DM map ?? 

maybe 3 to 4 maps, maybe 8 not sure at this point. 

It sounds to be a big project... Good luck so.. ;)
I hope to play the first maps soon.. and now go map ! :P 

It's gonna take awhile (I'm working on Father's Day stuff today first)... I'm releasing the soundtrack probably under Creative Commons or something. 

Yes, I think the light from the sky has too much contrast. I agree with JPLambert: a different sky texture would be better. If you choose one that's less bright, you can get away with having a lower light intensity from the sky.

Otherwise, it looks like the ship is well lit on the outside. 

I'll go with a grey or the purple sky maybe. I don't want to use the star sky since it's too dark, and the hangar isn't in space. 

What are the r_speeds in the hangar? 

It's not full-VIS'd yet, so it's like 2200. 

apparently, there's a not-so-subtle trend among mappers on this board...

http://www.qwplayers.org/inertia/saq.png 

http://www.quake3world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51&start=455&sid=5e47c0b423318d75e0e29563bb30893e

Scroll to bottom of page to see neotic and scrotch's new impressive looking screenshots. 

regardless of the borked gamma, this has some kind of ut-ish solidness i quite like:
http://www.planetquake.com/bkp/neotic/i310.jpg

wonder what textures he's using 

And here we have the magic of not-yet-elaborate func_trains:

http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/op/s4_2.wmv 650kb

Unfortunately with lighting on, the trains are darker - when they should be lit :( 

remember that func_* models are always lit based on where you built it in the editor -- even if they travel around, they still are lit as if they stayed in that original spot. 

Nice ! 

Ok, so if I have a light near the train(s) it'll be lit no mater where it goes? 

yes
yes 

 

shots from his map that he was showing editor shots of before, now with lighting and textures :

http://www.quake3world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51&start=455&sid=96570c7f13f312f2ce10d956b267072a

Again, it's at bottom of page. 

wanted for my lost chapters map!
If you want to do it mail:
hrimfaxi(AT)tdcadsl(DOT)dk

And some new pics:

http://www.hrimfaxi.dk/co2.htm 

I had a new brick texture on the map, but the new version isn't downloadable for the moment,
see the screebies on http://www.planetquake.com/here/lostchildren.htm 

I don't know if it comes from my PC, but the screenshots links just gave me a 404 error (not found)... :(
Could you solve it please ? 

but i like idea Here, I hated th emvoie but really liked the look. 

You owe me a new pair of pants, as mine are now thoroughly drenched following a spooge explosion when I saw that second screenshot. A Quake screenshot hasn't got me so horny for a long time. 

What Sham said, 2nd shot looks pween, although I'm not to sure about the 'front brick texture'. One without the horizontal bars on it would be nicer (but that's just meh).

1st shot is nice, but seems a bit angular compared to the exterior.

ps. mailed j00 

btw, does anyone else get a warm glow from seeing the improvement of mappers over time?

Also, I'm getting '404' (well, PQ's stupid not found page) on Here's screens too.

(I apologise for my double posting today, you would have thought I'd have learned not to hit submit asap by now :) 

the first screenshot is a bad shot, I change it now and the new version of the map will be aviable in 2 or 3 hours. 

the first screenshot is a bad shot, I change it now and the new version of the map will be aviable in 2 or 3 hours. 

Grindy's comments were directed to Hrim, not Here... 

this pitifull gamespy server doesn't work...
I can't upload lostchildren.pk3
sorry for repeating my self... It was an error 

I always figured I'd let the texture mandate the brush, and not get carried away with little details. Well, I have no sense of restraint:

- http://localhost/ope9/teaser/img/ss/ss6.jpg
- http://localhost/ope9/teaser/img/ss/ss7.jpg 

I get "Connection Refused" when I click the links. Is that just me or is there something wrong with the site? 

Ok, that was incredibly stupid of me... I thought I had my actual site open, but I had my LOCAL site open. Aha... shoot me kthx:

http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4//img/ss/ss6.jpg
http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4//img/ss/ss7.jpg 

looks marvellous!! Didn't think it's possible to make it like that in quake. (The center console
in shot 1 seems to have the screen wrap over the edge though.) :/ 

Still feelin' it out, so things need to be tweaked yet. I wish Quake had glass windows, but I'll have to do without. I just wanna get the hangar/ship area done (it's maybe 75% done), and then get on with the next couple areas for the video - which will be playable areas of course. 

looking nice so far. 

Looks good, a decent amount of detail, keep it going. 

I seem to be on track then. I was worried it might end up loooking a little gimmicky or overdone. I think back to alot of maps that aren't real detailed but still look better than id-quality, just because the textures were used so well with the right brush shapes. (I'm recalling e1m1 remix by czg/vondur) That's what's inspiring. 

So, I'm working on this D3 map, and I have this area with a windowed ceiling -- basically I want the sky to light the room, thereby casting correct/realistic/logical shadows in the room.

Seems easy enough right? Well...

Doom 3 doesn't have texture lighting or environment lighting -- so the way to get sunlight is to have spotlight set above the area and surrounded by caulk. (at least that's the best way I've found)

Except -- this is what happens:

http://blitz.circa1984.com/wtf.JPG

http://blitz.circa1984.com/editor_d3.JPG

^^^ As you can see, the entire light is inside of the giant caulk box, but still, it doesn't come out right in the game.

I've searched D3W and it seems like the only other way to get this to work is to add a few lines into EACH INDIVIDUAL MATERIAL you want to have the effect (seems like a shitty hack and extremely time consuming)

So I'm hoping someone who has more experience than I with the D3 engine can explain what is going on here, and possibly offer a solution.

Thanks guys 

I figured it out!!! Woot. Everything is falling into place now -- I can feel it. In the past, this sort of thing would derail me for days, but now I'm feeling like my luck will change and everything is coming up BLITZ!! 

Very interesting ! Very nice ! Keep it up, it sounds good for the future ! 

Hmmmm...I've been doing a fair bit of sunlight in my map, and I just stick a big bastard regular light in the room, and offset the origin to somewhere behind the window. 

AFAIK you can make glas in quake using some trap_spekeshooter and trigger_once. I don't remember now how it works exactly but it is possible. The glas won't be breakable, and you can't shot thru it. 

What do you mean by 'I wish Quake had glass windows'. Do you mean textures that look like windows, or do you mean a seethrough, breakable brush? 

Seethrough, breakable and non-breakable glass. It looks pretty odd having an empty window. 

I've seen trigger_once with its health set to a large number and its brush where you want the "window" to be. It will then bleed when you shoot it, but you can't shoot nor pass through it. I guess that if you wear down the health it becomes passable again, but I haven't checked that. 

You're asking a lot of an engine that can't do it =).

Efdm9 has the bleeding glass thing in. 

See, you are thinking moreso of a functional window. I'm more concerned with the appearance of a window. 

Not really - we know you can VIS water and certain textures to appear translucent, so... 

I think trigger_once has to have low health and has to be shoot only once by trigger_spikesooter then it behaves like clip brush but you cant' shot thru it and it doesn't bleed 

different textures for see-through, breakable and non-breakable glass? 

Try this link and look at the Glass.txt file:-

ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/games/PC/idgames2/quakec/level_enhancements/

It mentions 'transparent, breakable glass'.

I don't have the Hipnotic add-on so I haven't tested it. 

I do remember that glass was available in some mod - perhaps custents - but that it was rather crap. What it actually was was an invisible entity with bsp clipping that could take damage. When it was destroyed it spawned really REALLY shit looking white "shards".

Oh, and did anyone ever use that funky moving water mod someone made a while ago? I was really impressed with that actually. There was water attached to a func_train and you could swim in it as it moved around. It was better than q2 water by a long shot.

Anyone know more about that? 

i think custents had glass, but it was totally invisible. The best you could do in quake would be to make a little oriented sprite of a window pane, mostly transparent but with streaks of grey or blue (like in the cartoons) and tie that to a solid entity. Then, create some other oriented sprites of broken glass shards, and when the glass breaks, kill it and spawn a bunch of spinning shards that bounce away like gibs.

The water than is talking about was made by pox, and i remember being really impressed but never getting around to using it. He also had ladders that worked slightly better than the rubicon2 ladders, and i was meaning to steal them but never got around to it. 

func_togglewall, toggleable solid see-through wall (essentially 'glass' but without the lame bleeding). usually used in conjunction with func_particlefield as those do not block objects.

if you're aiming for a custom engine for your map/mod, easier to find a decent glass texture (some of the ikbase ones are decent for this, or q2 ones), and give it an alpha value for transparency. 

Anyone play that level from 1997? I think it was called "The Fly." 

there was nice idea with gravity change... 

pox mod with water and and ladders and buttons attached to lifts and all working and it was mixed with the hipnotics I think

I fooled around with it a bit 

moving water brushes that you can actually swim around in?? how is that possible in Q1? 

I tried to made this with func_door (i.e water depth change), ... and water became solid... :( so I guess there's a special feature there... maybe in some pack mods... who knows ? BTW I didn't see it in any Q1 map... :P 

it exploits an engine bug where .watertype is not always set properly, so qc can change its value and it will stay at that wrong value. 

and, combines with v_cshift to fake the screen blend that normally accompanies water. 

Phait: I am sure there is a perfectly good reason for having crates in that control room hmm? ;) 

It's the ship's cockpit.

I took them out, actually. Still tweakin' the inside. 

omg, that sounds cool. I've always wanted to make a level that gradually floods, allowing you to swim to previously inaccesible areas. 

http://developer.chaoticbox.com/quake.php

scroll to 'Extras QuakeC Mod r4'
there is d/l and good doc

be warned tho, that some features are not compatible with some new engines 

some of the stuff pox has put into that extras pack looks pretty mental - particularly the particle systems 

yeah, that is a very cool game mechanic. Quake2 had it, but i don't really like quake2's gameplay for other reasons. 

...you never played Hanz's Titanic then? ^_^ 

And Half Life 2. And Half Life. 

 

http://members.home.nl/gimli/bat_man.mpg 

I made some sweet wires behind a metal plate:

http://www.planetquake.com/kaziganthe/wiresbitches.jpg 

Looks quite flat. Otherwise it's alright. 

Here's the entrance in the first map to my addon:

http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/start1.jpg
http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/start2.jpg

Might it need any improvement? I'm liking it, but thinking it could use something more. 

It looks good ! Don't change anything... 

The building looks cools, but the cliffs are a bit flat, how about adding some horizontal breaks, rather than just vertical ones (at the moment they just look like walls along the edge of crazy paving) 

looks like a diorama, the lighting is very unnatural. :( 

chess palace 

Public beta of my first QDM level is available here http://www.spawnpoint.org/files/disqdm1_b31.zip

The level has already gone through extensive testing (and modification) with respect to layout, brushwork, power-up mechanisms and aesthetics. Thankyou von, scampie, blackpope, blitz, biff, scraggy and inertia.

Apparently the level will never be adopted as a serious 4v4 arena because (a) it's a coagula level and (b) the layout is difficult to learn. I always thought offering massive route choice, with plenty of playable surface area, over a threatening environmental hazard would bring out the best in skilled DM players.

So, now I need to find out how (or if) this thing works as a FFA level. Specifically, I need to know how it plays. Also I need information about ammo and health placement in game. I'd really appreciate feedback on these areas. 

... I forgot to thank Apollyon for his help too. Ta! 

here are some more screens of my map:

http://quakemaps.nm.ru/screens/arc_2.jpg
http://quakemaps.nm.ru/screens/arc_3.jpg
http://quakemaps.nm.ru/screens/arc_4.jpg 

nice! :) 

I want your babies! 

Yah, looks ball-bouncingly good >:} 

I like the choice of textures, and also the way to access the Quad. (Was wondering what that "useless" plat was for) The layout is tough to get the grasp of, definitely... BTW, is that there only one RL in the map? I'd prefer a little more obvious placement of the RL. 

Nice screenshots ! Nice architecture ! cool lightning effects ! And just a question: what is the texture set you used ? 

And just a question: what is the texture set you used ?

c'mon, you really should know these things by now ^_~ 

I'm very sorry to seem so stupid due to my lack of knowledges.. but I was wondering to obtain at least the name of these textures, and so be able to find it later.. I recognize these textures, I already saw them others maps, and taking a look to the different textures I have on my PC, it seems I don't have this particulaer set.. So is there a noble man who could help me please ? 

you show suspicious level of ignorance....
did you ever play contract revoked? maybe lost chapters? eh eh? hint hint? 

I'm very busy for the moment with my project (you maybe saw the screenshots in this threads some weeks ago...), regardless of HL2 and Doom3 I play regurlarly, so I didn't really find time to play these two packs.. I only saw their respective screenies (which sounds goof BTW...)... In anyway, as I already asked: Is there a noble man who could help me please ? 

I only saw their respective screenies (which sounds goof BTW...) needs to be read as which sounds good... 

http://kell.spawnpoint.org/

now go play all these packs and go map after... 

Vids are up, 1.6 MB or 8 MB small/large sizes .WMV's (Windows Media Player required):

http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/downloads.php 

It's Kell's Knave texture set. 

you're mapping seems to go pretty well atm so I say stick to that and stop showing every little bit of progress you make so there's something left unseen when you're finished! 

1) remove bobbing from camera runs (cl_bob 0)

2) if you want similar texts to appear on your gamedir's demo1.dem, so it starts playing as you start the pack, you can check how it was implemented in team fortress (if you run quake -game fortress there's a big nice introduction that starts playing).
Basically the texts are textures and the camera does swift movements. With nice sound sync.

3) fucking hell how good it looks. awesome job. 

Thanks for the infos and related links ;) 

dis: show screenshots...
pulsar: looks really good... I wonder what the fps is... 

really nice cinematic stuff there - by george, you have the technique sir ^_~

I agree with cybear; don't spoil it - we get it. You're good at it. Now finish it. 

Ok I teased enough. I didn't plan on introducing any more little bits anyway.

Now, to be honest - I still feel the trailer was rushed, but I wanted to get it out of the way so I can resume work. And anyway it's just a teaser trailer, not a movie! I'll keep in mind the cl_bob stuff and that. I had actually thought about things like this, including keystroke speed - but didn't bother to look up the commands.

Thanks! 

yeah, nice teaser, now go map 

it's important if you're going to have a wider audience for this (which i think might be reasonable)... but it's pretty good already and it's not the first concern anyway... :)

Actually, someone could make a trailer for the lost chapters too! With music. 

Really Nice Teaser... and maybe with a background music (Doomy-Gloomy like), it could be improved, but it's only my humble opinion... In anyway, release it soon ! 

The building looks cools, but the cliffs are a bit flat, how about adding some horizontal breaks, rather than just vertical ones (at the moment they just look like walls along the edge of crazy paving)

By horizontal breaks, do you mean:
http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/rox.jpg

See the cropping up on the right? Did you essentially mean more variation in elevation and jutting out? 

change the texture for something that looks like rock
the ID one looks like old wood or whatever

and shape looks nothing like rocks aswell 

That tex is actually named rock... I don't intend for the stuck-out bits to really be rocks, just parts of the cliff side or whatever. 

Maybe texas or some part of the world has rocks like that, dunno... doesn't look like northern european rocks anyway. :/
Are you dead-set on id textures? 

Ok, played your map a bit on localhost. Made even locs for it, I'm sending that to you.

I think it's very interesting and could be fun. At first I hated the void but now I'm pretty much ok with it.

There are certainly lots of places for interesting gameplay. A tad low fps near lg.

I don't like the hi-rl gimmick idea, but maybe it would work in-game, dunno. The beam is so thin that if you just shoot some rockets to it, the players will fall to the void - so it would a bit be easy to camp. Maybe it can be tested like this, I don't know if the place otherwise compensates for camping.
The low-rl was hard to find, actually found it only with spectator as did the quad button. I still haven't figured out the ra. :C

And what does a "coagula level" mean? That it's open and platformary?

It could have some interesting combat. I'll try to get it on our clan's private server and see if we can get some 2on2's or something on it.

In the future you could accompany a .txt to tell the gimmicks. (yea now it's still beta...)

I don't know if the layout is THAT hard to learn... if there's locs, it helps greatly when you can spam your own location when running around and figure if you're on the GA-path or YA-path etc.. 

RJ. As I said last night. 

Tim Elek made a series of Quake levels named "Coagula", they can be found in the pak at http://www.planetquake.com/tronyn/cogcontest/ and a further collection of coagula maps can be found at http://www.planetquake.com/underworld/quakerev030814.html

I eagerly await the results of some 2on2 action!

The teleporter to the RA is triggered when the Quad gate is opened; it's below the ledge opposite the GA. Double jeopardy :) A good team of four might be able to control both but it's probably not doable with two. Or you could just RJ... something I thought I'd made rather difficult, but like speedrunners... good DM players will usually find a way. 

got the gameplay down, working on the visuals...

http://www.qwplayers.org/inertia/visuals1.png 

ever heard of jpg and low bandwith connection? 

is a proprietary format and in the interest of my laziness i will use the format that fuhquake exports to ;p 

i give you jpeg

http://www.qwplayers.org/inertia/visuals1.jpg 

Anyway, the screenshot looks good, keep it going. 

sham dont lie plz, it will do no good to him 

looks simple, minimalist. Well it works, lighting behind the GL looks gay though, fix it! :) 

is that the same map you were beta-testing a couple of weeks ago? 

shambler: thanks, will do

daz: thanks, will fix

tron: yes 

png supports compression, you know. Maybe you should use it. 

Any suggestions as to how I might improve the stair aesthetics? I could give them a flat, diagonal edge instead of jutting steps, but not quite sure what tex fits just right for the side-wall of the stairs themselves.

http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/m1s1.jpg
http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/m1s2.jpg 

stairs have been made in the past... look at them 

Phait: Texturing thick stairs like those is a tough task sometimes. As you suggested, putting a flat edge on the sides will give you more options. If you do that, then you can go with either a flat texture like you have now, or a horizontal panel. Either way, you might consider making them thinner.

inertia: Way to be helpful. At least suggest a map that has similarly styled stairs. 

It's hard to tell from those shots - it seems you want advice for the bottom of the stairs. I would say make the bottom much more detailed instead of thick stairs - make the bottom of the stairs thin a little and put some wierd tech-ish detail underneath, such as pipes or just wierd equipment. 

What the hell? You must be thinking of gif. 

Thanks. I think I'll go with making them thinner and smoothed, with something beneath them. 

coagula-thingy: nah, I don't know/think that voidism is such a big problem in this map - it's not like it's few small platforms in a big void but instead is fairly forgiving on mis-movement / flying around from rockets. The RA thingy seems a bit gimmicky, but has to be playtested... Might generate some interesting tactics. "If we take quad, they get ra" and timing becomes pretty important too.
Overall i'm itching to play this... :) 

k, this may do for now...
http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/m1s3.jpg
http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/m1s4.jpg

I gotta break up some of the walls yet. 

Make sure you rotate the texture on the sides of the edge brushes. 

I wasn't gonna, actually but maybe I will. Oh also to note, these aren't the latest shots of that area - the light-thing underneath the stairs as you can see isn't even connected in those shots. 

Yes you damn well will.

Have a think about it - would, in a futuristic enviroment, the angled edge of a stair consist of woefully inefficient slabs of random stuff butted together, or would it consist of long strong beams??

One thing people should remember even about Quake is to think what stuff is for and how it would be constructed. Stairs are stairs so make them like stairs. Same for doorways, windows, arches, roofs, gothic pillars, floating fortresses, satanic torture devices....they should all be what they are supposed to be. 

Phait; Yeah, more stuff like that.

cliffs != walls 

Sorry I'm not Kinn. :) 

Made two bats for Quake1. The first one is rather complex, 381 verts and 1076 triangles, and it looses a lot of textures on the backside.
The wings are made of just one sided triangles.
http://members.home.nl/gimli/fitz07.jpg

The other one is smaller, 275 verts and 750 triangles, and it has a double sided wing.
It looks as if this one has no gaps.
http://members.home.nl/gimli/fit10.jpg

What causes this loss of textures, causing gaps
in the model? Every time I patch them they just reappear. 

Have you made sure the triangles aren't present, just facing the wrong way? Sometimes the normals get flipped in the conversion process. 

I imported the model to QMLE by *.3ds and *.dxf
Then some vertices were wrong situated and I corrected them.
In the frontside they are well , but on the top they don't seem to render. When I patch the topsite, then the frontside disappears.

http://members.home.nl/gimli/quake.jpg 

The beginnings of a singleplayer map. Don't really know where it's going, however (just radiant shots for now).

http://www.planetquake.com/kaziganthe/wip/wip11.jpg 

What's it do - besides vaguely "plug holes"? 

it doesn't get drawn, so when you want to save polys/lightmaps, you use it to seal up the bsp instead of a brush with a visible shader on it. 

http://qmm.tripod.com/trondm3b.zip

Any comments and the suchlike before I release would be kindly appreciated. 

Copy and paste that into the title bar. 

Anyway, it's off the host again for the moment, have decided to do a bit more work on it after some constructive comments. :) 

Just sneaked in with the DL.

I think I saw a much earlier version of this. It's cool. I like the style, and I like how it's big through spaciousness rather through an ass-complex layout. I.e. there's plenty of space to move but it's really easy to know where you are.

The new rockwork in the cave is really nice, natural looking. Good quad position too. I'm not usually a fan of teleporters but the set-up you've got works well.

I got a few criticisms but I will leave most of those until the next beta. The main ones are: NG is pointless, some areas are a bit uniform in height, you need clipping in some areas (esp below MH). 

http://rpg.spawnpoint.org/images/blah/sm82reallysoon.jpg 

... 

I finished sm32 in two weeks if I remember correctly. You had better produce something pretty special! ;)

When is CZG going to grace us with his special brand of glue, eh?*



* I don't mean spunk. 

I don't think Shambler likes the area in the screenshot. :(

than: blah blah blah well you had me whining at you the whole time to finish the thing; whereas I have PuLSaR who only asks me once a month. Plus SM32 didn't have 191 enemies, 5 secrets, and an alleged phallic reference. 

This is not a a screenshot of any new map, but rather an in-editor screenshot of my Apinaraivo / Monkey Rage Q1SP. I was flying around the map in the editor and thought this looked kinda cool.

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/3461/araivoradiant5dp.jpg 

tbh 

- http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/pwr-ring1.jpg
- http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/pwr-ring2.jpg 

um wtf

just put a triforce in your map, it'll look just as classy ;) 

haha RPG, looking forward to sm82. make sure its hard. =)

couple of new reviews should be posted at my site soon as well. 

omgstairs = cool

I said so on IRC.

Stairs + bricks + arches = DAMN! 

http://www.planetquake.com/bkp/scrotch/q4powmap1b.jpg

http://www.planetquake.com/bkp/scrotch/q4powmap1.jpg


Scrotch makes such good looking stuff, too bad its all for jailbreak mods. 

Screenies look good, doom3-ish, nice !! I like it.. 

Uh ... it looks doom3ish because it's doom3. There's no q4 mods in production yet :P

I guess he's doing it in doom3 with plans to convert it when the game's out, so he's going to have to retexture it all at the least. (Especially because I can see the "notexture" squares all over that thing.) 

Sorry... I was guessibg these screenies to be preview from Q4... Anyway, they are really good IMHO... 

doom3 currently to be ported to q4 

I will have some screenshots to post but can someone tell me the command for Fitzquake that prevents my weapon (cough) from showing?

I'm sure I remember this being posted before but I can't find it. 

where X is 0 (off) or 1 (on). 

Ta. 

Testing some inset floor lighting... y'know, watching interior design from time to time isn't such a bad idea.

http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/m2_3.jpg 

don't tease with such graphics or i'll spontaneously combust before I can ever play that!? 

I like those two wall textures imposed together like that.

you put your finger on something to think about; what do the real architects, interior designers, and landscapers have to teach us brush pushers. 

no, it's the other way around, brusherpush have to teach THEM! Some awful floor tex.. i mean tiling decisions i saw the other day in the new massive bus terminal. And they are more expensive than bad maps! 

the standard between real world architecture and virtual is miles apart. Even the facade of my local supermarket (I'm actually tempted to film it so you can see) could rival something as praise worthy as CZG's entrance way to the Sacred Trinity map in design.

Architects have the advantage of dealing with a world that is analog down to the Quantum level. 

could rival something as praise worthy as CZG's entrance way to the Sacred Trinity

Where might I see/play that? Don't see it on his site. 

Phait I love what you've done there, you've really created a sense of space! It's like a whole new room! Three words for you: FAB YOU LOUS 

It's one of his maps in Nehahra (neh2m2). 

Never played it.

*cowers* 

Screenshot: http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/neh2m2.jpg 

Now THAT's the good stuff, yeahhh. 

shit 

Now that's a 1337 supermarket 

just a few houses down from Orson Scott Card's house, actually. 

the facade is an extraordinary piece of work. The standards for level design and physical art are different to a degree where sophisticated technique goes unnoticed when seen on a day to day basis in the world around us, but you defininately note a set piece when it is placed in a level.

As for architectural technique, some things that they commononly do to arrange geometry I have only seen in a few realism oriented games.

With the facade, there are two stores in the shop. The Supermarket and a Ballet Studio. The supermarket which owns the parcel takes up about four fifths of the front, but by a visual trick, it is seen as centered.

The column and arches on the Supermarket side are half the width of the columns on the Ballet Studio side, so visually they even out, and the store front doesn't look ajared. 

having a couple of years of University Architectural studies behind me but I just can't be arsed right now. 

now considering turning it into D3 SP :

http://www.planetquake.com/bkp/scrotch/scrsp4.jpg

http://www.planetquake.com/bkp/scrotch/scrsp3.jpg 

nitin - Nice shit! I would love to see that as a D3SP! Hurry and add them crouching door imps!!! 

it migh be a while. Scortch mentioned this over at q3w :

"its built into the side of a large mountain/cliff. Im trying to make the terrain in maya, but Im not too famliar with the program so it may take a lil bit to get the hang of things before I can add that in to the map." 

a bit too monotone. 

Looks good, but those curved buttresses look a little odd to me. 

Looks really cool, nice to see a possible D3SP that isn't relying too much on D3's fancy gfx and actually has some DESIGN in it.

I reckon those walkways and shit could have good gameplay potential too. 

Yeah, that's it. Monotone.


....


Not quite as asstastic as your work, I'll give you that. 

I was merely giving my opinion. Those shots are rather generally green in hue and I find that boring.

Oh wait, I've offended or don't agree with The Great Mr. Fribbles.

Christ. I hate you elitist fuckheads. 

Don't be a dick. 

I'm going to be controversial here and suggest that the lighting is predominantly green because it's an outdoor scene and the colour of the ambient outside lighting is, well, green. 

on your monitor. I just checked on my Mac and while it's still green, I see other hues in it. Whereas on my PC's LCD, it seemed like everything was green. 

I don't mind the green in the shots, for a few reasons.

1.) It's better than black, which has been overused in Doom3 as of today imo. :D
2.) It's still alien and claustrophobic, so while it sets a completely different vibe it still retains an alien feel.
3.) It's better than some bright neon purple-pink like some faggy Quake 3 levels.

I won't say it's original lighting, but it's good imo. 

Green schmeen.

Mmmm beef. 

...this is sooooooo obviously a Q4 level I don't know why skrotch is even considering wasting it on D3. 

good to see sacred trinity again. i still remember walking around the corner the first time and seeing that front shot aguire posted. =)

possibly one of the best Q1SP maps ever made!

one day...i might just do a review of nehahra, just for the record. would be a lot of work though of course...[just ask shambler]. 

Just make sure you use an updated engine when playing Nehahra to get rid of tech problems. 

be an interest in me uploading a couple of more Nehahra shots? 

I need to download the packs for Nehahra again anyhow. 

Here goes:

Forge City3: Escape http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/neh1m3.jpg
Grind Core http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/neh1m4.jpg
Sacred trinity http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/neh2m2.jpg
Realm of the Ancients http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/neh2m3.jpg
Temple of the Ancients http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/neh2m4.jpg
Dreams made Flesh http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/neh2m5.jpg
Your Last Cup of Sorrow http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/neh2m6.jpg
Nehahra's Den http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/nehahra.jpg
Summnom Crypt http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/neh3m3.jpg
Tainted Grounds http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/neh3m4.jpg 

Yay for pimping Nehahra aguirRe ;D your shots look a tad bright on my machine though.
By the way, your nehahra engine is pretty nice (and I never said this before, but your compilers rock, thanks). 

Yes, I noticed myself that the shots are a bit bright. They are from late 2004 and I think they got the standard gamma correction I usually make on shots. I believe it's better to see everything clearly in shots.

Especially neh2m3 suffers from the brightening and some terrible fog banding, possibly worsened by jpg distortion.

It looks better in-game where you can adjust gamma to your liking. 

it is safe to infer from this

(and I never said this before, but your compilers rock, thanks).

that Bal is mapping again. 

of Invein (by Iain Bruce): http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/invein2.jpg 

looks alien
where to get this level? 

ah. I miss those days... 

Finally found a working FP link to Invein at RetroQuake: http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Eretroquake/blog/?p=101

The map was featured on PlanetQuake: http://www.planetquake.com/quake1/features/lotw/sp-01-08-27.shtml

and reviewed at TeamShambler: http://www.planetquake.com/teamshambler/rev010724.html

The last two sites' d/l link doesn't work though. 

to add that Invein is one of those Q1 maps where you might want to disable idgamma, as the textures are bright and a lot of the patterns get saturated and lost. 

thanks, bengt! 

at quaddicted's file archive of course: http://www.quaddicted.com/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,48/func,fileinfo/filecatid,375/parent,category/

:) 

That this is about the level of detail I should stop at, else I tend to get carried away.

- http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/m2_5.jpg
- http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/m2_6.jpg 

Lighting is thoroughly bland ATM:

- http://www.planetquake.com/kaziganthe/images/kazsp1_1.jpg

(shots are numbered up through 5) 

Looks interesting, although quite confined. Not a bad thing in small amounts though. I really dig the texture set, best industrial one I've seen. 

Phait?

Also, what is that weapon removal console command again? I'll put a few shots of what I'm working on. 

 

Phait: Screenshots are really dark, so it's hard to say, but it looks like you could stand to put some more detail in there. Go overboard if you have to!

Kaz: The shots are kinda weird, but small and cramped just how I like it. I also like the tex set, so that's cool.

Keep it up both of you. 

thanks, Blitz. 

I intended it to fill out the Turtlemap, but the style of the room is very different, so it is likely to be used else where

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4737/joequake0042hd.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6237/joequake0051lg.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/424/joequake0070fs.jpg 

it looks okish oldskool, but i'd avoid making so many steps on the stairs, use func_plat or less steps... 

As it is stands in screen, it is three steps for every back plane, causing a very twisted spiral in game. I was playing around with how much I could squeeze in there before going overboard, but I have a simpler arrangement for it made now. 

Phait: Well the ceiling looks fine, but most of the walls look rather plain to me.

Kaziganthe: I think that might be a little cramped, but it could be ok depending on what sort of gameplay you have there and what the rest of the map is like. I definitely agree that the lighting is too bland; it needs more contrast. And what's this? Those are colored lights?

HeadThump: I don't think I like the way the wood supports disappear into the wall in joequake0051lg.jpg. Do what you like, though. 

Yeah, I added to the walls...
http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/m2_7.jpg 

I think it's looking good, but a bit top-heavy. I don't think you should reduce the detail in the ceiling, but maybe give it some less-jazzy textures so your eye is drawn up less. I think the floor would look a lot better if you broke it up a bit, maybe with an inset area with a few steps going down. You could add a striplight on the edge of the step and then you could have some nice lighting there.

I'd like to see how this turns out, your recent shots have all been pretty interesting Phait. You do realise your door is the wrong way up, though, don't you ;) 

. 

The floor is being worked on, as I have plans for that, that fit into the level progression. The door orientation - yes, it moves up-down but hey why not.

I'll experiment a bit more with the ceiling textures. Thanks! 

yes, it moves up-down but hey why not?

because it's far more likely the player will be obstructed when trying to pass through it. 

Style over substance in all things

Sod brief obstruction, it'll look cool :p 

because it's far more likely the player will be obstructed when trying to pass through it.

A valid point, but that depends on the door speed as well. 

If two doors open sideways, each door needs only to open (say) one foot before you can go through (quick). When a door opens vertically, you have to wait for it to move the whole of your height before you can go through (annoying).

If you have two doors opening vertically (one up, one down) you still have to wait, and, as you cross the threshold, your car keys fall into the gap where the lower door moves into! 

I've ran through them without getting snagged :) 

http://www.planetquake.com/bkp/scrotch/scrsp3c.jpg

http://www.planetquake.com/bkp/scrotch/scrsp6.jpg

http://www.planetquake.com/bkp/scrotch/scrsp5a.jpg

It's now going to be a d3 ctf. Unless someone can convince him over at q3w to turn it ino sp. 

my skybox 

That second shot is my fav, looks like a mechanical cathedral. 

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5648/dacrate27as.jpg 

But Vondur likes it rough? 

What a waste. 

It's now going to be a d3 ctf. Unless someone can convince him over at q3w to turn it ino sp.

If he hasn't even done enough work on the map that it's differentiated into so much as what GAMETYPE it's going to be why is he showing us screenshots?

Oh, that's right, the same reason he's posting a half dozen screenshots every time he adds something to his fancy green thing. 

Hi, I don't think I'll have enough time to commit to a full blown singleplayer map at this point due to real life job. The basis for this map is an outline for a Q4 mod Im working on that plays like CTF anyhow, which why I've decided to go for the CTF gameplay.

Reason I was posting alot of shots was for some feedback, I like to get peoples thoughts on what they like/dislike. Thanks for comments and don't worry I wont be posting anymore images until its done. 

The proper response to somebody being a dick to you is not to give in but to go to absurd links to piss them off. Add a railing to that shot or
another tiny light, and post a few more screens shots with each little change, that is what this forum is here for. 

Lunaran VS ScrotcH

Round 1

FIGHT! 

Im not looking to flame/fight anyone. I have no reason to, I just stumbled onto this forum by accident and seen the debate over a few WIP shots I posted on another forum. Its actually the few comments I read here that got me thinking of releasing it for D3 in some form to the public, and not just a concept for my new project. I'd love to do a singleplayer design with it but I just dont have the time to commit to it. 

Check it out!

http://www.planetquake.com/kaziganthe/images/shambler.jpg 

Add a railing to that shot or
another tiny light, and post a few more screens shots with each little change, that is what this forum is here for.

That reminds me, where's Friction been lately? 

lun was just shitstirring.

Personally, I really like your work. Some of the jailbreak stuff was excellent.

you shoul consider doing mpas for another gametype though, sp or dm. 

I like the skybox and the foliage. What engine is that? And where'd you get that new shambler skin? 

ScrotcH: 5 (4 extra points for using my skybox)
Lun : 0 

i just realized the shambler was made to give head. but those teeth should make things interesting too. 

in your skybox, speedy. it distracts me, you should make a tga version. 

I'm nowhere near finishing the Turtle Map as of yet, but I have put some time into it this weekend. Here are a few shots from my upcoming map, 'A Shrine to Hatred.'

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/491/joequake0080qm.jpg

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/5305/joequake0119vt.jpg

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/8284/joequake0095ca.jpg

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/858/joequake0131cd.jpg 

of any asian architecture, particularly in the quake engine. 2nd shot in particular looks tibetan. and i like the roofs in the 1st and 4th shots; maybe indic or nepali inspired? the lighting could use a little less contrast all around. (going from fullbright straight to fulldark does not seem to look too good in quake).

not sure how much i should critique lighting/texturing/layout... if you're "nowhere near finishing it". 

for the double layered roof adjoinment in the first pic(which I copied from a Bangcock coutyard pic) all of it is based on Tibetan motifs. However, I've worked the designs over so much they bare scant resemblance to their source inspirations. I just hope it becomes more cohesive as I work on it.

Yeap, the lighting is just one spotlight at this point (so it is all maximum drama in every direction). When I add some sourced lights near ground level it should look more natural. 

Well my only complaint is that if it's outside then the lighting in some of the shots is very very harsh. I don't know if any of it takes place inside, you may want to add sunlight 2 or just put in a low minlight, cuz that makes my eyes bleed. No, seriously. Ok, I really doesn't. It looks cool, so I'm waiting for that sourced ground lighting to even things up. 

it to be a bit easier to work a sunlight 2 in after doing source lights instead of working source lights in around the sunlight 2. It may be just a personal oddity of mine, but sunlight 2 always reminded me of using gradiants in Photoshop. 

Right now I think this lighting looks pretty crappy, and the texturing isn't final either but I'm looking for suggestions to improve the lighting:

- http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/tower5.jpg
- http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/tower4.jpg
- http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/tower3.jpg

My other idea I'd rather go with was this:
- http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/tower1.jpg
- http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/tower2.jpg

But it looks sloppy. 

For the lightning improvement of the first spiral stairs style: you should remove the "flying" lights, and use 2 small lights on the stair sides (like there are already on external side of the spiral stairs)

In anyway, I really prefer the second, which ease to have good lightning effects without too much work... 

The 'floating' lights are going to be connected to the ceiling or the tower (that the stairs wrap around).

I could put spotlights on the tower (inside of stairs) but it looks bad, as some of the spotlights cover more than 1 face, and thus are wider than they normally would be. 

 

I never use any of that stuff... confusing. 

What do you mean by confusing ? The field names I used instead of angle, mangle, etc... ? 

I recompiled almost all maps fom the abandon with new compilers and Quark 61.
They do look better now, but I'm a little concerned.
After finally recompiling untill all leaks were vanished, I'm confronted with a new HOM error. Arg...

Strange, because some HOM effects disappear with a vis level 2, although I can't get rid of the regret they aren't vised level 4. 

This is kind of what I've settle on texture wise, looks better - but I'm still open to suggestions:

- http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/tower6.jpg 

the curved walls are too flat. inset the brown rivets so the blue blocks stand out (like the strip lights are), or make some structural girders that connect the outer wall to the inner cylinder, or both. Curves look nice, but they often look even better when you break up and modify the curviness a little.

I'm also not sure about that long thin light brush that comes all the way down from the ceiling. looks odd to me. maybe it could angle off the wall at a lower height?

you asked for suggestions, you got 'em.

most importantly, trust your instincts, you needn't ask us if something looks good every time you make a change. 

Grahf yeah maybe, but maybe not 

as well, but imagined what a nightmare it might turn out for BSP (or at least semi-nightmare) as theres alot of tall brushwork there that makes up the outer wall. I just made a 128x64 custom texture of the blue metal-block + brown rivet tex so I didn't have to split up the wall any further.

I like your suggestion of connecting the tower to the outer wall... I'll see how I can work that in. Thanks! 

Got some Myrmidon screenies up at my spawnpoint site, at http://biff.spawnpoint.org/gallery . Nothing new, really -- but I thought I'd better get some game-related content up in case scampie was looking for fat to trim ;D 

And mapping, great :D Whats new? 

Great stuff! Go idbase! 

Wow, what a beautiful base ! Very interesting ! I like all these "technics details", and the use of the ID base testures is really good !! Even if I think lightning effects could be improved just adding a little bit more contrast (i.e light too 'flat', not enough shadow here and there,... but it's my humble opinion of rookie mapper .. ;)...), this level screenshots are very good, and I'm sure this level will be fun to play ! When is it planned for release ? Keep it up, and go map ! 

Pretty nice stuff biff0r! 

cool base biff! 

Your base maps are enviably sexy as always, but weren't the last two maps from you the very same style?

I'll still play it when it's done, but I would kill to see you experiment. 

Biff: its great, nice to see some strong style and originality in the era of SPOG/CZG ripoffs and 'old skool'... except the ID base - could you use any other textures? 

;) 

that has got to be the most beautiful idbase level i've ever seen. 

 

I hope to finish it sometime before the next decade, yes. Currently it's in a state of flux, since I have been rebuilding some areas to improve VIS-friendliness and overall flow, if possible. I get too carried away with the details, and make stuff that gets too impractical (being the shallow bastard that I am), but hope to mend my ways =D

Yes Phait I am alive, and hope to get all of my current mapping projects at the gallery site, and at least be able to keep things posted that way (Thanks for the site praise, 'Thump, but I just DLed the code from sourceforge.net -- will be tinkering with the look of it soon).

I do agree with you about the lighting JPLambert, the lighting has been rushed as I have been more interested in the brushwork and just let the lights go for the time being (not to mention a lot of the texture placement), but will certainly tweak everything soon enough.

Lun (and Speedy, I'm guessing), as usual you're right -- I had been playing with some medieval-themed stuff, but it has bled over into other projects and other games (more about that soon, if things work out). My other idbase stuff fell short of my own expectations though, and I hope Myrmidon will be what I've always wanted to build since I first tinkered with Deathmatch Maker so long ago ;D

BTW thanks a heap, Tyrann -- good to hear from a fellow BASE_EMBRACER ;D 

...the guts of this mapper. Even a hard drive meltdown hasn't stopped the vision.

HuG you biff! 

That's purdy.... 

First, my inspiration. It's a temple in Durbar Square of Kathmandu, Nepal. I've been digging this architectural style lately:
http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc119?=a53_taleju03.jpg

Now, my quake recreation:
http://img36.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc134?=39f_MacNehahra00.jpg

http://img7.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc92?=9ba_MacNehahra01.jpg

http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc176?=1f7_MacNehahra02.jpg

Haven't decided what to do with the bottom part of the building yet, so it remains blocky for now. 

aren't showing up. 

.. same for me... I was insulting my PC till I saw this.. Thanks Phait ! 

In the future use Imageshack! 

imagevenue looked cool because i could upload multiple shots at a time, and they did work last night.

This any better?
inspiration:
http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=taleju020il.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=taleju032em.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=taleju056mb.jpg

I love the colors and shapes of this architecture,

quake reproduction v1:
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=macnehahra007tl.jpg
http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=macnehahra012sa.jpg
http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=macnehahra029vf.jpg

Kingpin textures. It's a lot larger ingame than I realized in the editor. 

Nice. I'm terrified of the tiny brushwork details on those lamps though. 

nice!

lun: these are lantern models from nehahra i suspect. 

grahf: i love the textures and i love the lanterns! hope that will become a proper map ;) 

Hay, buddy -- and thx! 

Didn't see those when you posted in #tf, but they look really neat -- and Kingpin textures, w00t! 

Yes they are Neh lanterns. And at some point when I feel like it I intend to shift the wooden supports around a bit to make them more randomized and old-looking, right now they're just copy-pasted all the way around.

Thanks guys, now back to working on it for real. 

Interesting choice, mixing up a little urban blight with monastic order, could prove to be a potent design combo.

BTW. I've spotted several texture packs including Kingpin in this little dark corner of sunet,

ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/games/PC/idgames2/planetquake/texmex/textures/ 

Before: http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/tower6.jpg

After: http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/tower-2-1.jpg
http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/tower-2-2.jpg

Still not done yet, thinking of putting some vertical lighting on the sides, and need to put a circular platform inside. 

looks nice phait. a lot better in fact. now do the same for the outer wall. not saying you should ditch the combined texture you made, but maybe dont use it for the whole wall.

nice find headthump, spread the texture love. 

they are Neh lanterns

... oh 

PLEASE don't use minlight in any more maps... :D

your architecture suffers with that drab lighting method ! 

I used to do that too
1 room 10 screenshots
that was fun 

Dammit Phait, stop posting screenshots already. You're working on a map. We get it. 

 

and that tech texture on the lower part of the new tower doesn't look good when repeated that much, upper part seems like an improvment on the other hand. 

textures ...
http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~hrehfeld/misc/quake/mega_ruins/shot0044.jpg 

http://qexpo.quakedev.com/booths.php?tag=Travail&si=57&sk=y6aOLae8 

Looks fantastic! :D
/me swoons
Lots of awesome looking maps at QExpo. 

It has fancy foreign level titles, it must be good!

Looks interesting tho, nice one. 

Anybody interested in giving input on a couple maps? I think I would benefit from getting some realtime suggestions and thoughts on what I've got so far, rather than just posting shots.

AIM: itsphait
Yahoo: phait_accompli
MSN: thecarbonflaw@yahoo.com

Thanks. 

I can help you out if you need it. 

Thanks, I accepted your add on Y!Messenger but forgot to add you as well - whats your screen-name again? 

Thanks Zwiff, again.

Again if anyone else wants to take a look at the maps and offer their opinion, more than welcome, just add me and message me when you see me on:

AIM: itsphait
Yahoo: phait_accompli
MSN: thecarbonflaw@yahoo.com

Or e-mail: http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/contact.php 

...at the Travail site involving the final beta of disqdm1 http://qexpo.quakedev.com/booths.php?tag=Travail

Shambler: hehee, a small tip of the hat to the Spanish wierds. This project is full of appreciative references both in game and out. 

Beta-comments:

Homogenise the architectural style a bit.

Beef up the designs in the plainer sections.

Try to have more interesting connections between the main areas.

Round off and naturalise the terrain a bit.

There we go that's enough beta-comments, get to work. 

Did you go through the maps (from Zwiff), or are you just speaking from the shots? 

He's just giving general info. 

Cause some of that was vague. 

Errr no, that was from nothing except an instinctive estimation of what most maps need. 

Yeah I've been reworking areas here and there.
(Before: http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/tower11.jpg -- After: http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/tower11b.jpg )

I'm just getting tired of spending dozens of hours on one area. It's a bit hard to let go and move on to the next area. 

Such a pain, but necessary:

- http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/terr1.jpg
- http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/terr1.jpg

The old crap: http://www.phait-accompli.com/q/s4/pre/oldterr.jpg 

Yes I'm working on the lighting. Right now I used metl's suggestion to put a light in (or near actually) the sky. But I hate that big ol' circle of light.

And I dunno why the sky looks like crap, I recall it looking better. I must not have my color depth/bits switch in my FQ shortcut correct... -bpp 32? 

Yes I'm working on the lighting. Right now I used metl's suggestion to put a light in (or near actually) the sky. But I hate that big ol' circle of light.

And I dunno why the sky looks like crap, I recall it looking better. I must not have my color depth/bits switch in my FQ shortcut correct... -bpp 32? 

the sky looks crap because it's a different skybox than the "old crap."

I actually like the broken shattered look of the "old crap."

The "new" cliff walls don't vary at all in height, i.e., they're all clipped off at the same height by the sky.

i think i liked the old better.

and i'm getting tired of making these comments on every single room test map you make. please trust your own instincts. 

http://members.home.nl/gimli/witch.jpg 

looks like a nice oldskoolish runic map, i've no complaints with that.

except, what is that texture on the "A" crossbeams right below the sky light hole? It looks really odd, like an alphamasked texture with no alpha channel. 

I fixed the sky actually, as the tops weren't actually flat - just obscured by the sky. I found the problem with the sky - my shortcut didn't have -bpp 32 in it. 

FASCINATING

/me fucks off to somewhere where he cares.. 

it's the end map of abandon, with gravity set low so you can jump.
me a bad boy, texture stolen from prince of persia. 

I am sure some of you have mapped for RtCW so I have some questions to all of you:

1) I have unpacked models/mapobjects from pak0.pk3 and sp_pak1.pk3 and can now load the models inside Radiant. However, some of the dirs for the objects (mapobjects/bush, mapobjects/clipboard, mapobjects/lion to name a few) only contain textures and no model file, where are they?

2) Say I added a mapobjects/bodyparts/helbody.mdc into my map as a misc/model, how can I choose which skin is used on the model? By default, hel_body1.jpg is being used, how do I make the model use lop_body1.jpg instead? 

This was supposed to go into Mapping Help. 

http://www.planetquake.com/necros/temp/d2.jpg 

Thats neat, although I think the texturing could use some variation along the walls, despite that I'm not fond of ikbase. 

huge AND claustaphobic with those, er? not sure what they are, lingering over you, it is likely to be atmospheric as well.

Phait, has a point though. To me, the original IkBase for IkSPQ5 are a more interesting set than the converted Quake Arena ones from Fatty's site. I believe those used in the pic are likely the latter.

Also, from my own screwing around, IkBase can be combined pretty well with Soc_Tec and Soc_tech converts well to the Q1 pallette given the lustre of rusted grime that predominate the design.

MMMM, ruuust. 

HeadThump, by any chance do you mean this set:
http://www.planetquake.com/vigil/pics/sockie1.jpg

Necros, the walls and the floor needs something to break them up. Trims along the wall, and something on the floor where the supports meet it would be a very nice addition. 

In RTCW, or indeed any Q3 engine game, static mapmodels (usually .md3 format misc_models) get their faces baked into the BSP at compile time, so there's no need for the actual mesh to be distributed with the game/map unless the creators want to, just the textures and shader. The models you get are the ones that animate and the ones that have been used as part of a moving entity of some sort. It's ages since I fiddled with RTCW but the editing media for these games often includes models that aren't in the pk3's as well.

To change the textures for .mdc/.mds models you need to use .skin files, you could extract those from the pk3 file too. For static .md3 mapobjects you can use the q3map2 _remapshader directive instead to have the shader repointed at compile time. 

OMG Hordes!

Wait a minute, no monsters yet....

Yeah that looks cool, I like the fresh and funky designs. The lights on the larger buttresses look a little odd, that's all. 

those are the sext textures I mentioned.

The lights on the larger buttresses

That's the word I was hesitant to use because in the screen shot I couldn't tell if they were actually supporting anything! 

 

thanks for the comments. :) the map is a little to far along to redesign anything more than gameplay at this point, but it's nice to know what people think :)

cheers 

necros doing ikbase seems like a nonsequitur to me somehow :)

I especially approve of the four light columns that are wrapped around the curved wall in the upper left quadrant of the pic. I've been playing around with nonaxial curved details like that myself a lot lately, and it's an utter headache sometimes, but the results are very rewarding. I'd be even more impressed with your brush-fu if you could extend a curve from the upper half of those columns to meet the overhanging curve above them.

Hmm, maybe that description's a bit obscure. Ahh, the tao of brush. :0 If you start off making things curvy, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.

besides that, my suggestions are:
1. break up the floor a bit, unless there's going to a be horde combat there and you want maximum player mobility. It'd look good as a split level type thang, with trims along the edge of the split (I'd split it where the curved columns touch the floor.

2. you might consider using different wall trims near the floor vs the ceiling to create a more varied "height identity." This is echoing/expanding on what Phait said.

that's my $.02. 

when Shambler got a bit nostalgic after replaying Scourge of Armagon, I asked myself how one might approach it in a fresh way, and here is my Hollywood answer:

Remix IkBase in desert camo tiles, set it as a base in the middle of the desert. Use Sock tech textures from the machinery sub file and Q2 reckoning consoles to feel out the details. Throw in Armagon, Scourge, nail grunts, and Preach's axemen as post apocolyptic/madmaxish rift raff for a fine base mix.

Tentative title: Armagon Ressurection,

catchy, eh? 

fuck. i was going to be releasing the damn thing soon, but those are good ideas grahf.

i think i'm going to work on the brushwork some more. :P 

I see what Graf means; also, there is a riveted texture at the leftward edge of the shot that may be useful to create a v-frame trim along the large curved column edges if the texture happens to line up well with the planes involved, and if you wanted to add that sort of structual detail.

It would be a nice contrast to the vertical texture running up the columns.

My .02$. 

http://www.planetunreal.com/images.asp?/images/screens/dm_mako_b1.jpg

a map by Kami 

but i only see one shot... 

http://www.kolumbus.fi/ville.nieminen/soon.jpg

WATCH THIS SPACE















CLOSELY





























Few weeks, honest. 

RPGs COMING OUT WITH A DOOM 3 MAP OMG 

Want to recheck the nick on that post Zwif? 

It was a joke, cuz Fric basically copied RPG's "Soon" advertisements. 

:(
bright blue alpha blending from 1997. Gosh, it looks ugly still, I'm sorry to say. Why oh why?

Maybe the shot would look a bit better with antialiasing on - now the contrast in the shadows is so big that the pixels are really brought up. And the angled structure mimicking rounded shapes is brought up too :/

:)
Your earlier shots have been absolutely fabulous. Too bad I don't have d3. 

WHAT WE NEED IS A SIGNAL... 

http://www.maricscabinet.com/a2a.jpg

http://www.maricscabinet.com/a2b.jpg

http://www.maricscabinet.com/a2c.jpg

http://www.maricscabinet.com/a2d.jpg 

http://www.maricscabinet.com/a2d.jpg

^^^ I would change the torch holding brushes on the wall to a different texture though. It doesn't look right the way they're using the same texture as the wall behind them. 

Are some of those textures from Blood? 

Nice screenies !! And where come the textures from ?? 

R0x0rage. I like it. Interesting style. I like how the plain rock texture allows you to have a quite uniform colour scheme but still have an obvious delineation between natural rocks and built-up sections. 

Nice 

run with 32 bits to avoid rasters, it look way better. I don't remember the command line for fitz tho, maybe it's changeable in the menu too.
Where is that rock texture from?

The thing looks pretty good, at least the style and colorspace is quite consistent. 

quakeclient.exe -bpp 32 

Blitz - I was wondering about that, I'll make the change and post some new screens.

Phait / JPLambert - I made all but the slime texture and one of the original Quake emblems (I will likely make my own versions of those before all is said and done). They are all very basic (nowhere near Kell quality) and were originally made for Quake2 but they seem to "crossover" pretty well.

Shambler - I am all but addicted to terrain in my maps so I made the rock textures with my addiction in mind, as I made the rest, in hopes that they would mesh well. I thank you for your comments, seems like I was a little successful there, thank you.

Bambuz - Will do, for as long as I have been doing the Q2 thing... I can claim all but zero knowledge about Quake, any hints such as that are greatly appreciated.

I'll have some serious n00bish questions for the lot of you pretty soon. 

Link for the textures...

http://www.maricscabinet.com/textures.html

They are not in .wad as of yet, I'll gather the ones that are worthwhile and get links up soon. 

I really like it, but I find the lighting a little shoddy and too bright in some of the bits, especially the picture where you are close to the bottom. I think you should turn down the brightness of some the lights and use several weak ones instead. 

voodoochopstiks - Good point, the screen caps were curved up and brightened for the int4rw3b though. The actual in-game is much darker and more "contrasty". And honestly, I epected to get (read hoped) good feedback on lighting and such, this being my first delve into Quake, I am sure that I will need a load of experienced critique.

I am a good way off from actual beta testing I think. 

I'm glad you finally have a website. Now i can finally look at screenshots of all your maps. 

Thanks for the texes !! Oh, and some of the screenis of your Q2 maps are really cool 

Work in progress.
4 to 6 weeks until completion.
300+ monsters.
Brightness and contrast enhanced for screenshots.
One map but may need to become two as already exceeds clip-node limits and dangerously close to marksurface limits.
No more screenies until release.


http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1341/fitz00046xg.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3042/fitz00053qu.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/8649/fitz00067qd.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6632/fitz00088ym.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9510/fitz00010cn.jpg 

Go Mike, looks fat and flavasome. 2nd looks a bit boxy but 3rd more than makes up for it, looks cool. 

but a bit bland brushwork wise. ALso, that lava texture is awful. 

Nice screenshots !! And BTW, very weel DKT3 textures use.. Keep it up !! 

But what's with that lava texture? 

It's original DKT3 lava texture... I guess it would be cool to enlarge its texture ratio twice or more... 

I like the first picture. The other also look interesting. 

First few shots are very atmospheric, and I salute you, you freakin' texturing genuis, becaue there is that one texture on the columns of the second picture that looks just right here, I've played with it many times, and was convinced it would not look good on anything. 

the second screenshot reminded me of zelda: ocarina of time's graveyard dungeon. awesome! keep going 

Damn you mike, that's almost the exact same texture theme I'm using in one of my maps. =D
Looks good though, looking forward to it. 

Although this is the one in the .wad that I am using, and it is already 256 x 256 (in the main cavern shot), I am happy to try different lavas is anyone cares to suggest some.

It is a bit of a mixed texture set - Knave, Daikatana, Quake101, and bits and bobs from places now lost in the sands of time.

Thanks for the positive feedback. 

It looksi nteresting, reminds me of Hexen 2. But the lava tex makes me think of a pool of crushed fruit loops. 

Whatchoo got against Fruit Loops? 

fruit loops without milk = eating sugar in the desert 

I've now been able to test a set of custom lava textures. I've been working on making natural terrain and liquid textures that are tileable together and some of these work together pretty well. They are yours if you want them. 

For sure, thanks.

Can I download from somewhere? Or if not, you can use mikewoodham AT msn DOT com. 

Thanks, I will try them out later this week when I get back home. 

you could use the lava used in contract revoked. 

I know I said I wouldn't but...

http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/9833/fitz00104na.jpg
http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/49/fitz00118ry.jpg

Fruity loops or NOT fruity loops? 

Original DKT3 (i.e fruity loops) looks netter IMHO... Note I say that because my current "cooking" map use it ;) 

The DKT3 one doesn't tile well at all. 

#1 fo sho 

#1 is really really bright and doesn't seem to match the dim lighting. I suggest trying Kell's lava texture (from Contract Revoked) if you haven't already. 

Shot 2 

though the texture could be a bit less red
the #2 lava looks like the "chem tiberium" from c&c:tiberian sun in my opinion... 

... DKT3 lava texture fits more with the foggy-gloomy ambiance IMHO... So I vote for screenshot 2 ! 

Suits the rock texture at lava level to a tee :) 

But try Contract Revoked lava as it is the best imho 

OK, decision made and you'll all see which one I have chosen when you play the map.

(Cor blimey mate, you bin fishin or what) 

Even though it's too late, I actually like the contrast that the bright lava in #1 creates. 

...because I think you should dick both of those for this atmosphere and go with metl's rubicon lava. 

...seems to be the standard ID (quake101.wad) lava? 

not rubicon lava!!! :P 

there's some nicely tiling lava in the rocket arena pak I think. 

Obviously. 

vanila quake lava plz 

I found this pack of lava textures one time, but don't know who made them (no readme.txt), but they seem like they may tile properly:

http://www.ftp-sunet-se.lkams.kernel.org/idgames2/planetquake/warehouse/otw-lava.zip 

http://www.jesselawrence.com/tf/gaylava.JPG 

Some super-bastard lavas there: I'm playing with them now. 

i think the problem is not with the choice of lava texture (they're all decent), but with the massive brightness change from the fullbright lava and the fulldark brick columns coming out of the lava. Put some light sources down near the lava, so it looks more like it's glowing a bit, then the transition won't be so jarring. 

Yes, you're right. The original screenies do show a section of stone and lava correctly lit: see #2545 above, third shot.

I think more than anything it was the tiling that I was concened about but as I say, I have now selected the lava that I will use.

Thanks for your comments anyway. 

I hear start.bsp has a good lava texture too. 

Luv it :-)

Blah, blah... melting icecaps and the sea levels are rising; blah, blah... price of oil looks like it will drop back to pre-hurricane prices; blah, blah... blistering speeds proven on the new G4s; oh yes, and did you catch the quality of that lava in start.bsp - I've been told it's really good...

(Read the above in your head using a psuedo-newscaster type voice, kinda mid-Atlantic disc jockey)

Made me chuckle just imagining the scenarios of how you 'heard' about it.

Anyway, honest, I've now selected the lava I will use. But what I might do is give FMB-BDG a start map where the player can choose their lava texture: that could provide a solution to suit everyone ;-)

Ooooh, I've eaten too much rice pudding! 

"But what I might do is give FMB-BDG a start map where the player can choose their lava texture."

You're no serious are you mike ? Just go with what you picked. 

Just a joke, honest.

I promise not to mention lava again. (Well, at least, not in this post!) 

Alright finally my Q3 map is pretty much finished!! Its been way to long in the making, hell it probably would of gotten finished last year if it hadn't been for school.

Anyway.. load it up and let me know if you find anything problems.

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Level Download
Full Download: http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/files/shad3dm2_rc4_full.zip (Includes Level & Music) - 21mb
Level Only: http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/files/shad3dm2_rc4_level.zip - 9mb
Music Only: http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/files/shad3dm2_rc4_music.zip - 11mb

Music by: indy - www.indysound.net
MP3 Version: http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/files/indy%20-%20pathways%20(shad3dm2).mp3

Screenshots (1600x1200)
http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/files/shad3dm2_pic1.jpg
http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/files/shad3dm2_pic2.jpg
http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/files/shad3dm2_pic3.jpg 

Bigger screenshots and more grey brick textures...


Seriously though, looks sweet, nice one. 

the bots get stuck in the corner next to the stairs in the rl area. 

woops.. yes they do :P

had a spawn point inside a bot-clip brush.. I'll fix that for the final version 

This map is looking very nice. Lighting and detailing are excellent, and item placement is a kick. I especially like the MH and Quad (and it's kinda cool that someone can get the Quad without using the wall switch if they have the movement skills, although I doubt it would happen during an actual match).

It feels pretty finished at this point. The only nitpicks I might have are (a) clip (and botclip if you haven't already) some of the weapon spots that are a bit bumpy as you move across them, and (b) the brick is a bit iffy on some angled brush faces, especially where it has to go from wall to ceiling and/or is getting stretched a bit. There are a few places where you've done some clipping and added some metal trims and such on some angled bits rather than having solid brick on all faces, and it looks better. I'd be tempted, were it me, to replace the brick in quite a few spots, but like I said, that's nitpicking... 

grey brick 

Well, hopefully Zwiffle won't murder me for posting these:

http://www.saunalahti.fi/dnaumov/e1m2rmx01.jpg
http://www.saunalahti.fi/dnaumov/e1m2rmx02.jpg 

:) 

i love that wood detailing going on in the second shot. those angles are making me hot! 

...although i personally would like to see the Heretic2 textures phased out in favor of the ID ones. 

Cool stuff, but I'd rather see the the original id1 textures used instead, plus a few variants a la e1m1rmx. 

i think it looks awesome with those textures. ;) 

Did you even work on it or are those shots from like 3 months ago?? :) Anyway, you can work on it for a while yet Jago I'm swamped with school so I won't be able to touch it until Christmas time. 

IMHO, there's a weird thing in the screenies: Why did you use these light textures (yellow neons) that sounds to come from the ID base texture set ?? I'm very surprised to see some electrical stuff in a medieval like castle... it's not really, let's say consistent...
I really think you should replace these light textures by something else... thought... it's just my taste, so..

However, it looks cool regarding the screenies... keep it up ! 

Looks nice, but the two shots almost look like they come from different maps cause of the textures. The classic ID textures just don't blend it so nicely with the Heretic2 textures in my opinion. 

nah it blends well in the game, i've seen 

Though, I think the first shot could do with having a bit more love and attention lavished upon it to make it stand up to the second, as it looks a little bare in comparison.

PS. I like the lights, myself. They suit the putrid, almost gaseous atmosphere you have going. 

Just my personal opinion of course, but if you're using those textures, I feel you've missed the point of the whole RMX thing.

Vondurzg had it exactly right - you want to use the standard textures and variations of those, to make it look faithful to the original (or at least in vaguely the same style).

Of course, I haven't seen the map in game, so maybe its superawesome and I just don't know it...

But honestly, if you wanna make a version of that map with different textures, go right ahead (obviously!) but if you wanna do an RMX thing and follow in the footsteps of Vondurzg, then I'd reckon you'd want to stick closer to the original theme. 

Do you play 4on4 Jago?

E1M2 is one of the big three maps in it. Pay homage. Not too much annoying tripping details or confusing clip brushes!

I share the concern with JPL about the lights a bit although they might work better in-game.

Looks mighty good. 

yeah, i told him that it's better to use e1m2 texes for that rmx idea, but he wouldn't listen ;) 

When I started the map, I intended to reinvent it instead of just redoing brushwork. So really the texture choice is largely mine and not Jago's so don't be so hard on him. Honestly I think it looks good overall and gives the map a really unique feeling, so maybe we should switch it from RMX to RMX++ or something?

The first shot isn't the best I admit, it was cool until the rest of the map started looking better.

Bam: This'll be sp primarily, so DM will have to be largely forgotten on this map. :( 

sad face 

 

... whatever the mapper(s) wants it to mean.

Obviously you should probably listen to what other people say, but also feel free to ignore it. It's your map :) 

call it "e1m2ish" 

e1m2esque 

http://www.quakemaps.nm.ru/misc/penta.jpg 

i know, that's the snark. 

... whatever the mapper(s) wants it to mean.

Obviously you should probably listen to what other people say, but also feel free to ignore it. It's your map :)

Totally agree, but, and this is the only reason I mentioned the texturing at all... you have to remember that there was talk of people doing these RMX maps and bundling them together as a full episode.

If this were to be done, the map shown in the screenshots would not fit in well with the other maps, as it strays too far from the original theme.

Again, its just my opinion, and I don't care much either way... meh.

Call it e1m2RMXish. 

better imo :D 

But I've been saying that all along. Not just because I think it should live up to the name and the standard set by Vonduzg, but also because I think it's a genuinely cool idea to do remakes that are strongly related to the original map theme but use modern mapping quality / designs. I personally think it will be a better map if you focus on the original atmosphere combined with stunning designs (and quality gameplay), rather than a new atmosphere combined with an odd selection of designs (some really good, some not so good). 

Exactly.

Ditto.

Etc. 

nice petanque there, but it's upside down?

wonders what's the adjacent brush breakup's like... 

y bambuz kant vrite 

I will rip the textures used in the original e1m2.bsp and see if I can come up with some custom texture choices that would fit the original theme of E1M2.

However, I am not promising anyone anything, because I have the feeling that retexturing and redetailing the entire map in a way that would retain the original theme and feel of E1M2 would basically mean that I would have to throw 80% of the brushwork out of the window and pretty much start the map anew. If this turns out to be the case, I am not doing it because that would be throwing out 80% of the map I actually like. Why should I be throwing away work I am perfectly satisfied with just to please others?

I will give it a go though. 

And make sure to send me updates of how the thing looks, I'm still a part of this thing too ~_~ 

http://www.saunalahti.fi/dnaumov/e1m2rmx01.jpg

vs.

http://www.saunalahti.fi/dnaumov/e1m2rmx01-new.jpg

I am still thinking that the former looks way better. 

its all in how you use the textures:
textures fit a certain style of brushwork, so if you do the same stuff as in e1m2, the textures will look fine.

my recommendation? use the same textures for each area that were used in the original, and just expand on the former brushwork. in this way you will retain both geometrical and textural cohesiveness with the original map, but also be able to add your own "flair"


also: your gamma correction sucks more than a vaccum cleaner. 

You all have convinced me. I have added some more textures from e1m2, fixed some details and now it looks better then the original version using swampy textures. 

:(

The 1st shots looked awesome, shame you changed it back to id textures if you ask me. And yeah that woodwork had me gasping too :) 

Trust me, it does actually look better now that it's using id textures :) 

slave to public opinion, i say! 

So... if you try to convince him to change it back to swamp textures, and if he did as you requested, he'd still be a slave of public opinion, wouldn't he? 

got me there :P 

Stick with e1m2 textures, just work in more detail than you have so far. more wizmet trim and etc.

also, what's with the contrast in those screenshots? It looks like you scanned them out of a magazine. 

Jago's and my hard work paid off, we're the cover story on the October edition of American PC Gamer. Those were taken directly from the preview copy we each got. 

wizmet trim really sweetens the deal.

Good one, Zwiff, I 'bout shit me britches until my sarcasm meter kicked in. 

ROFL 

...wizmet back in fashion now??

How time flies!