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New World Order, Government, Etc.
First, don't tell me this isn't a gaming discussion thread and that it has no place here, because there are several non-gaming discussion threads. Second, this is important for everyone.

What do you think about this?

New World Order -- it is stated that there are many skeptics of such a conspiracy, but that skepticism is expected by the Illuminati/government and is part of their plan for world domination. Paper currency will be gone and replaced with credit - 1 form of currency. Nobody will privately be able to own firearms. Anyone that does is an outlaw. Also speculated that diseases are manufactured to thin the population. West Nile, AIDS, anyone?

There is also mention of underground cities being built, mind-programming, humans and aliens (not illegal aliens, space aliens)... while the aliens bit seems far out there -- who fucking knows. I for one do not doubt the NWO plan. It has been going on for centuries -- it is believed every war was orchestrated for a purpose, and this NWO plays a part in it.

This stuff also involves the G8 (which I am not real familiar with I just know it is some government organization) -- unfortunately New Zealand is a part of the G8 from what I read, and I always had it in my mind I would move to NZ someday to get the fuck out of America before shit really starts going down. Now I don't know. How about Mexico?...

Scary, scary stuff.
phait, go map. and lay off the crack pipe 
Why don't you care about this? I think you should get off the crack. Fucking read don't be ignorant.

Wait go ahead, your loss. 
PS Extra Prediction Below: 
This thread will get at least 200 responses and will end as either a omg qmap is dying thread, or a omg elitist fucks thread. 
I Do Not Get You Guys 
What is the problem? Are you above believing that such a horrible idea is possible? Are you just in denial that this could or will happen, possibly in our lifetimes? Why are you being ignorant? Are you waiting for government to burst into your house and hold you at gunpoint until you start caring, is that it? 
The sheer magnitude and complex web of deceit surrounding the individuals and organizations involved in this conspiracy is mind boggling, even for the most astute among us. Most people react with disbelief and skepticism towards the topic, unaware that they have been conditioned (brainwashed) to react with skepticism by institutional and media influences that were created by the Mother of All mind control organizations: The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations in London. Author and de-programmer Fritz Springmeier (The Top 13 Illuminati Bloodlines ) says that most people have built in "slides" that short circuit the mind's critical examination process when it comes to certain sensitive topics. "Slides", Springmeier reports, is a CIA term for a conditioned type of response which dead ends a person's thinking and terminates debate or examination of the topic at hand. For example, the mention of the word "conspiracy" often solicits a slide response with many people. (Springmeier has co-authored three books on trauma-based programming which detail how the Illuminati employs highly tuned and extrememly sophisticated Mind Control (MC) training programs that begin the programming process while the intended victim is still within the womb. Mind Control is a much greater problem than most people realize. According to Cisco Wheeler, a former Illuminati mind control programmer, there are 10 million people who have been programmed as mind controlled slaves using trauma-based MC programs with names like Monarch and MK Ultra. The newer, non-trauma, electronic means of MC programming that grew out of the Montauk Project, may include millions more. Al Bielek, who played a principle role in the development of the Montauk Project, said that there likely 10 million victims of Montauk style mind control programming worldwide, the majority located in the USA. He also said that there are covert Montauk Programming 'Centers' in every major city in the U.S. )

What most Americans believe to be "Public Opinion" is in reality carefully crafted and scripted propaganda designed to elicit a desired behavioral response from the public. Public opinion polls are really taken with the intent of gauging the public's acceptance of the Illuminati's planned programs. A strong showing in the polls tells the Illuminati that the programing is "taking", while a poor showing tells the NWO manipulators that they have to recast or "tweak" the programming until the desired response is achieved. While the thrust and content of the propaganda is decided at Tavistock, implementation of the propaganda is executed in the United States by well over 200 'think tanks' such as the Rand Corporation and the Brookings Institute which are overseen and directed by the top NWO mind control organization in the United States, the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) in Menlo Park, California.

The NWO global conspirators manifest their agenda through the skillful manipulation of human emotions, especially fear. In the past centuries, they have repeatedly utilized a contrivance that NWO researcher and author David Icke has characterized in his latest book, The Biggest Secret, as Problem, Reaction, and Solution.

The technique is as follows: Illuminati strategists create the Problem- by funding , assembling, and training an "opposition" group to stimulate turmoil in an established political power (sovereign country, region, continent, etc.) that they wish to impinge upon and thus create opposing factions in a conflict that the Illuminati themselves maneuvered into existence. In recent decades, so called "opposition" groups are usually identified in the media as 'freedom fighters' or 'liberators' (recently the KLA-Kosovo Liberation Army).

More at the first link I gave. 
You Shall Feel The Power Of The Func_ NWO Soon Enough 
Phait, i know you are a reasonably intelligent person, but just fyi, you will find that if you are not a part of the 'inner circle' here, the 'func_NWO'as it were, which by the way, you are not, you will never attain what you seek.

If it were possible, which it is not, but lets say it was, that we could have 2 threads, with identical topics, existing side by side on this board, but each oblivious to the others existence, one started by you, and another started by lets say shambler, you could be guaranteed that the thread by shambler would receive far more responses, and the responses would be of a different quality and attitude.

By now you should be aware that there are a few
asshats on this board, the leader of which is obviously Scampie, unfortunately, it is Scampie how is the leader of the func_NWO, and even more unfortunately is the fact that it is allowed to be so. He maintains his grip, by giving out web hosting, thereby silencing a few, hosting speedmapping in the past, and now by providing the bandwidth for its site, and by taking control of a major meeting point for this community, #tf, which as has been seen in the past, he is not willing to relinquish, and when it has fell out of his grasp, stamps his feet and whines like a child. and of course by his position of moderator on this board. Oh isn't he great.

Don't try so hard to fit in or be excepted, it just isn't worth it. If you could be invisible in #tf sometimes, you would see how much of a joke you are, and are made out to be by 'some' of the members. you know which ones. It sickens me sometimes to be part of this community. 
My $0.02 
Huge secret conspiracy theories are peoples' way of creating something specific to blame, hate, and rage against.

Whether the Bad Thing is aliens, evil spirits, governmental control (from our nation, another nation or nations, or an overarching transnational uber-government), secret agencies, the Liberal/Conservative powers that be, Jewish/Catholic/[insert religion] forces, other-dimensional threats, ninjas, pirates, robots, mutants, or some combination of any or all of the above doesn't matter.

The bottom line is that people will often manufacture a Bad Thing to focus on, because it's far more comfortable than feeling overwhelmed by the idea that the world is just fucked up in a lot of different ways and that the whole situation is really, really complicated, difficult, and uncertain.

Or that could be just what I want you to think.

/me makes the secret sign 

Seems to be fairly reliable, and backs up some of the stuff Phait is talking about. 
Re: #7 
I don't care about fitting in, or what others think/say of me. All that is beyond what this thread is about, let's keep it focused, unless people really don't care then fine, let it tank. But at least read with an open mind, then speculate.

PJW -- I get what you're saying, but it seems so much of this ties in. Look at the US dollar - it has symbols that tie in to the Illuminati -- the pyramid with the all-seeing-eye, among other things.

I am all for being shown facts to prove any notions of mine wrong, but this stuff probably cannot be *completely* proven, but nonetheless I think it is something that needs to be give a chance to be understood. 
This topic has been done so many times before, and presented by virtually ever nutcase conspiracy theorist alive. It's not a secret, and I hate when shit like this gets presented as some giant revelation that no one has ever heard of before.

It's not true because the concept and idea of a New World Order has been around for at least a century, but no one has ever come up with any evidence other than taking some quotes from George Bush and FDR out of context.

And even if it was true, do you honestly think that you'd ever be able to stop it? I know you probably think you're doing humanity a favor by spreading this around to whatever message boards you post on, but you're actually just showing that you're mentally unstable.

The only people who ever buy into conspiracy theories are intelligent people who have a laundry list of psychological affects. You read this crap and believe it because you want to feel like that you are smarter than everyone else -- your faulty logic reasons that a secret of this magnitude can only be discovered by the craftiest minds, sorry, but it's not true. In fact, the only minds who ever bring it up are the unstable ones.

I know this because I've read all of the conspiracy theories (Illuminati, NWO, Vampire Killer 2000, Yale Bonesmen (although that one is definitely true, we just don't know the actual importance of it) and told people about them, and they probably looked at me the same way I'm looking at you right now -- with pity.

Learn how to direct your mind to doing things that are healthy and constructive or else you will find yourself sliding further into the hellish depths of self-aggrandizement and someone will find you on a street corner handing pamphlets on how to get into Heaven. 
Omg It's The Da Vinci Code^2 
Dan brownn has probably made lots of more people receptable for this.. although I guess that's just part of the BIG PLAN. 
I'm Leaving This Thread Open... 
for entertainment value. 
While I am sure there are plenty of dodgy deals going on in the higher levels of Government, the fact is that anything of this kind wouldn't be able to remain intact for centuries. 
Conspiracy Theories In General 
while I don't believe in any of that NWO stuff at all, it is easy to discard anything nowadays as a "conspiracy theory". Funny - it's easy to conspire since investigations and questions are dubbed as conspiracy theories.

I actually don't believe anyone's in full control of any things - there's no big daddy behind everything - the world is a mess and all grownups are just behaving childisly and having their petty arguments. (That's the point when you realize you're an adult - when you see that no-one else is an adult either.) 
You're an amusing guy.

If I wanted to come off as intelligent, I wouldn't be bringing up discussions of theories concerning government control. I do not care about how people percieve me!

I brought this up for other's opinions so that I may have a wider view of it. So that what I have read might be challenged and just maybe I'll think like you. That's what you want, isn't it?

As far as I'm concerned, questioning such theories, your government and the world is healthy and constructive. Ignoring or denying, as I used to do, isn't. 
And To Think, 
I was going to entertain myself with Prego-Porn tonoght, this looks more fun. 
Why don't you who view this as entertainment actually post your fucking opinion, whther it be "it's bullshit" or you actually have something to say, instead of hiding. 
New World Order 
I don't neccasarily subscribe to their being a huge, evil conglomerate that refers to themselves as the New World Order.

I think a lot of it stems from the decentralization of world power, which has its pros and cons.

I do think that the US government is trying it's hardest to re-harness that power that it's losing ( Such as the appointing of the new president of the World Bank ), but it's an ultimately futile effort. Eventually, there probably will be one currency world-wide. 
the incredibility (meaning as opposed to credible) of the evidence just builds up - for example precise mind control is impossible with current devices - even mind reading doesn't currently work in a magnetically isolated lab with huge superconducting hypersensitive coils - we don't know enough about the brain and the signals are too weak. I've seen a device that fires kiloampere electrical pulses to magnetically activate the brain (TMS) and you can get about one finger twitching with it if you search the place precisely on the motor cortex (the researcher showed us by placing the stimulator on his head). That's about it. :)

Also, this stuff is clearly quite full of signs of mental disorders - read this for example:;04.shtml
The numerology in the beginning is just alarming - I've seen people with mental issues write precisely this kind of stuff where they feel every number, date or timing of events is somehow telling them about some very strange thing.

There's no planet X. That at least is total bullshit! I don't know what is your education, but you will probably get to know some scientific or practical area pretty well during the time you get older and can analyze that related part of the conspiracy theory then with great confidence.

Oh, and the Americans were to the moon, too - the evidence provided against it was just laughable. 
Ask yourself this question:

"What does believing in all of this actually mean to my life?"

Because if you believe it to be true, you're wasting your time arguing with us. If you really believed it, you would be doing everything in your power to start a militia and march down to Washington as soon as you've recruited enough people to put an end to the New World Order.

Better yet, you'd be even smarter to do something crazy to get on national TV, and tell everyone about it.

If you believe it and you continue to sit in front of your computer and do nothing about it, then something tells me you don't really believe it.

So get to your local gun shop, post some flyers around town, and muster your army, Sargeant! We won't let the NWO prevail. 
I'm Leaving This Thread Open...for entertainment value.

Good call.
I leave the Internet open for entertainment value.

PS: i am a genetically enhanced member of the illuminati. wait...isn't this stolen from that Tomb Raider movie. 
what the fuck does this have to do with gaming or mapping? 
Damn It! 
Ok boys, the brat's on to us. We had a good run but I guess we have to pack it in now. Send out calls to stop putting the floride in the water and stop broadcasting on the fillings of the homeless. Tell the Jews to stop running the world bank. Oh yeah, and let Elvis out of his prison cell. 
Don't Get Mad At Me, Phait, 
Blitz is right. 
On behalf of the International Jewish Conspiracy I'm here to inform you all that you've completely forgotten about how the Bush family is attempting to antagonize a war with the Middle East by secretly bombing the World Trade Center because the alien spacecraft recovered at Roswell only run on crude oil and sand, and without them Majestic 12 can't track down the rogue nano-augmented UNATCO field agents attempting to locate Tracer Tong and scuttle the superfreighter. 
But it's funny. 
Ans Scampie Is Right, 
you all should be playing that wonderful speedmapping pack #95 instead of picking on the poor NWO. 
Phait is totally right! I found another NWO page that totally corroborates it! 
Stop pushing them Headthump or they might realise we all embedded subliminal messages in our maps. 
Off The Subject A Bit, Tron 
but I think we may be able to get Levelord to speed map for the next event if we all chip in and buy him a bottle of Canabis Vodka.

BTW, do you know what the Silent Hill reference means? I think Zwiffle must be doing Life(TM) related things. 

This thread will get at least 200 responses and will end as either a omg qmap is dying thread, or a omg elitist fucks thread.

You sir, have a gift. 
Phait, get the fuck off my internet. 
Well, I haven't looked at the links, but I might later though.

I don't really buy it, sure there are probably conspiracies going on, but nothing on this kind of level.

I do believe we're not alone in the universe though, it's a huge place and there are tons of galaxies. Whether they're floating above the Earth abducting people, I really can't say. But there's gotta be SOMETHING else out there somewhere - the universe is an infinitely complex place.

But, I do think it's strangely odd (redundant?) how many mappers in the US who frequent this board are anchoring in Wisconsin. We've got the majority of the United States' Quake mappers I think. Honestly, we've got like 7 or something like that. Not to make light of the thread, but that is kinda weird.

Still, a lot of this is really interesting, regardless of how ludicrous it sounds, and I would watch something about it on the History channel. 
OMG... Umberto Eco's "Foucault's Pendulum" FFS, have a laugh at your own expense, then get on with life. 
Worst Thread Ever. 
Someone please delete it. 
It isn't about believing. At this point I don't completely believe it, but my point is people need to be aware that things like this could happen, whether on the scale I am talking about, or on a less "crazy" scale but one that is still important.

I understand your skepticism and disinterest in anything that sets off your Loony-Alert´┐Ż, but I don't understand why some of you (Hi Frib) don't seem to care about what condition the government/world is in, or will come to, that at least ties into power, control -- something that obviously is not new. 
like you said "something that obviously is not new". No point discussing it here, it's already been done to death in many other forms of media. 
Why does Shambler want to monopolise the rights to create inane unrealted threads
Every one can do it! Even fait.

Tho have to admit that conspiracy is soo ZZzzz-inducing, compared to the ever funny 'most sexy mapper'

BTW I suspect that the New World Order Underground Alien Government made phait quit mapping and put the hate-implants into CZG cranium, not to mention its 4 year lasting attempts to prevent Bal from releasing baldm5

Some say that Vondur is to blame for it, but truth is somewhere out there ...

oh and the mandatory 'Go map!' 
Who says I quit mapping? Check screenshots thread... 
Btw Post #7 Is So Lol 
thread is worth it just for #39 :D Now if phait can somehow twist the theme of the thread to fit in with gaming/mapping then I will be impressed. 
You Know 
if you don't care about the world you live in or the government that runs your country, or ultimately how you live -- your loss. 
Phait, you say that, yet in your initial post you write things like:

This stuff also involves the G8 (which I am not real familiar with I just know it is some government organization)

When one obviously has no clue about world politics (no offence, blame your government about it if that makes you feel better), don't actually try and discuss such matters and actually expect serious replies and discussion to ensue.
You obviously have much to learn about how the world works before even considering if you want to believe or not in this world conspiracy mumbo jumbo. Making an opinion for oneself when missing so much info is not a good idea. 
Well That Is The Point 
I'm still learning about things, which is why for instance I'm not completely familiar with G8, I just hear about it. But as I seek more knowledge, of course I'll understand things more. 
One Way: Study 
well, if you don't have any chemical brain problems (some cause feelings of paranoia and can be helped with drugs) and can work rationally, there is only one way you can gain confidence whether these things are true or not: study. I am serious, and don't mean anything offending.

I once did that thing when I wanted to form a self-believable opinion about wind power and nuclear power - I found quite a lot of expert material on the net (you just have to discard the massive amounts of propaganda first.)
You have to gather quit a lot of basic information of how the government in your country and various organizations work etc.. You can probably get good books on that from the library too, and reading history helps as to why these organizations have formed the way they are.

All good citizens actually should behave like that, be concerned about what the people in power are doing! 
blitz, snusnupie and bal win. blitz should learn punctuation tho.

btw, phait, how old are you ? 
you own. thanks for pointing out the obvious G8 absurdity. 
Oh Man, 
Isn't there some term for an arguement which contains an automatic denouncement of the opposing perspective?

"There are no aliens abducting people" <--- "You're part of the government coverup!"

"Christianity isn't literally true, you know" <--- "the devil wants you to think that!"

"Conspiracy theories this vast and disorganized are more likely a product of paranoia than a reflection of reality" <--- "You've been programmed to think that, it's an automatically conditioned response!"

I believe the CIA abandoned project MK-Ultra because they deemed mind control, at the time, did not have a stable, predictable or remotely useful success rate. Or that's what they *said* anyway (cue evil music).

Of course, I do believe that giant and powerful organizations like governments and corporations use propaganda to manipulate public opinion; I think most people would agree that that's realistic, and there are historical examples from the French Revolution to Hitler. However, as a history student, what I've basically learned is, that social forces are really just a series of groups all acting in their own interests. The idea of one "super-group" that has the resources and ability to manipulate the entire world seems absurd. If they did have this ability, what would be their goal? Obviously, most groups want power and to impose their philosophy/agenda on others, but there are too many competing groups/agendas/ideologies even today, for such a thing to be real.

My advice is, depending on the country and financial situation you are in, this may or may not be practical, but if you really want to learn this stuff, go to university and take history, political science, philosophy, psychology and so forth. Some people there are fairly crazy, you may run into a wacky marxist or two, but on the whole the experience will provide you with the tools and knowledge to make informed judgements on such things.

I really like and agree with post #8 
'You May Run Into A Wacky Marxist Or Two' 
Down here, it's the varsity anarcho-libertarians you have to watch out for. Mind you, they're just as pimply-witted as the socialist-communist loons; two buttocks of one bum. Bloody teenagers.

And as for conspiracy theories...
for good measure. 
Tronyn... might be thinking of "affirming the consequent".

P1: If you are part of a government coverup then you would say that there are no aliens abducting people.
P2: You do say that there are no aliens abducting people.
C: You are part of a government coverup

If one believes this is a valid form of argumentation then you'll have to agree that the following is also a valid argument:

P1: If the moon is made of green cheese then the US has lied to the world
P2: The US has lied to the world
C: The moon is made of green cheese.

I hope no-one here thinks the second is a valid argument... but it's only a hope :) 
In 1948, Thomas Banyacya accepted the task of warning the world of the events foretold in the Hopi prophecies. The Hopi's, he says, had been instructed to seek a "house of mica" (glass) that would stand on the eastern shore of Turtle Island (the US). The Hopi's saw the UN building in New York as the house of mica. Beginning in 1949, they sought entry to its assembly to: 1) look for their True White Brother, 2) seek justice for Indian brothers and sisters and good people everywhere, and 3) warn leaders of the coming purification. In 1992 and again in 1993 they were able to deliver their prophecies.

Hopi legend speaks of the Pahana, or the True White Brother, who once lived with the people and would return in the time of Koyaanisquatsi, when the world was beset by fearful troubles and chaos. Then He would unite the broken tribes and reestablish balance and harmony. 
No Satire 
It's True 
all of it. 
How A Meme Kills Discussion 1.1 
Fuck Yourself, Bot. 
Feel it in the one drop;
And we'll still find time to rap;
We're makin' the one stop,
The generation gap;
Now feel this drumbeat
As it beats within,
Playin' a riddim,
Resisting against the system, ooh-wee! 
Fuck You! 
rasta won't no change. 
I Just Read The Whole Discussion 
The world is full of crazy...

... Or I've just been indoctrinated by the NWO. 
You Are One Of Them!! 
Choose Wisely 
I Wonder 
if foggy bogbottom trigggered something down in chesapeake bay. 
English Version

When naming my AD map, this name was randomized by an algorythm which added bog at the middle.I had no clue back then. So... 
Out From The Left Field! 
Wow this topic is kinda out of nowhere. been around for some time to I see. 
I'm A Reptilian 
Wait What Why Was This Thread Necromanced? 
Oh Drunk MFX? 
Which Gigantic Cock-end Bumped This Thread. 
Worst thread EVAR. 
I Feel Guilty 
a bit... 
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