Logan - 7/10

Far too long for what it is, especially when it doesn't really do much with the extended runtime IMHO, but a decent action film with good performances and a welcome respite from the regular superhero formula. Also needed a better villain. 

I loved the final scene. The rest of the movie stretched on for too long and was a bit of a letdown. But once the score (which is brilliant from James Newton Howard) kicked in, I knew where it was heading and a part 3 I'll look forward to. 

Has anyone watched the Ass Creed movie? I always thought the AC story could make a great film franchise (probably a trilogy). Matrix meets historical drama (Spanish Inquisition) with Fassbender? Yes please.

But they've GOT to stop telling memories and wrap up the story. If this means the end of the games, fine. Don't keep dragging out the story for the sake of making money on a dead horse. Stick to the game story as well, don't go and rewrite it all.

Unfortunately the movie is a complete fuck up. As a standalone movie without any knowledge of the games, I guess it's okay, but knowing what it could have been makes it a big missed opportunity. Some good action, cinematography, scenery. But the animus, plot and motivation behind the Templars is all changed, we don't even have the aliens anymore. The memories were just action sequences with no connection to the characters at all. A complete waste of Michael Fassbender (who did perform great as always) and Jeremy Irons.

It is amazing just how incompetent the executives/producers/writers in Hollywood are, despite the millions they get paid. Wasted opportunity. 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124901/
Don't know how that one slipped by me all this time :)

As a side note and not really to do with the core of the movie it was fun to see how many "hipster" trends were already established in 1998.

Not sure if those stovetop Alessi kettles are a thing again yet though though. :D 

I'll see your "Thursday" and raise you with "Twisted Seduction" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QUwSlqKsak 

Ghost in the shell movie camo water fight scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9rsosPkQqA

nooooooooooooooo :(

Thats it - fucking hardcore write-off, you can smell the ugly hollywood corporate cancerous SHIT all over it:

Surely one of the many discussions / decisions during production of this turd :
After showing the original scene and now discussing the live action remake of the scene:

Bellend1: "We cannot do this!!! 50 SECONDS OF SCREEN TIME WITHOUT OUR DEARLY PAID FOR SCARLETT JOHANSON CUNTFACE!! IMPOSSIBLE! ROI guys!!!"
Bellend2: "OK boss, done licking your crack, let me suggest : we flash her face at the start of the scene - 2 wins there boss : we dont let 10 seconds of the movie go without expensive cuntface AND our dumbfuck retard audience runs no risk of being even remotely confused as to whats going on for more than 3 seconds!!
Oh and yeah lets just forget the whole thing that the optic camo is a textile, we'll just pretend its magic as to her face skin and hair, she's obviously wearing that white suit out of fashion sense as her skin is optic camo enabled ???"

Bellend1: "Brilliant!!!!"

Original scene for reference as to the face camo thing : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1BhezbxCPc

This is not even nerdrage, its fine they take the scene and recreate it - but take it and fuck it absurdly like that - why ? Why not reinvent a similar scene instead - make a new scene that fills the same rythm - the sudden solitude/tempo break with a serving of badassery, it doesn't have to be a copy to achieve the same and keep cuntface on screen.

But its abundantly clear, talent, care, decent effort, artistic integrity are absent from this production, its a real dud and I pray it crashes very very hard in the ratings, it would be well deserved. 

 

Because there have been a couple not so awfully shitty reboots (still don't need them but still) and one would of hoped that this cinematic monument would get respectful treatment...I don't know why I'm surprised...

GITS was and is such a massive vector in pop culture (this is not even up for debate) you would of thought someone would give a shit... 

GITS was and is such a massive vector in pop culture

Not for me nor anyone I know. That "No" is not up for debate for sure.

I watched the two clips. So similarity, such trivial, much nerdrage, WOW.

Okay one's a shonky 10FPS-looking cartoon and one's a slick CGI / live action so there are some minor stylistic differences.

Aside from that, REALLY, Killes?? You've excelled yourself with this one. 

I've never watched any anime so I don't give a baboon's bollock about whether the live action version is faithful to the cartoon version.

Judging from the clip Killes posted of the live action version, I think the movie looks garbage in ways that are nothing to do with how closely it follows the cartoon version. It just looks like a Matrix rip-off cheesefest from the early 2000s to me. That Matrix slowmo stuff has been passe for a loooong time. 

If the 2017 live action film isn't 100% utterly identical to the 1995 cartoon version in every way, including ways that would make it look utterly bloody nonsensical as live action but at at least slavishly and stubbornly "faithful", then the entirity of humankind should boycott the film, and Killes anus will explode. 

"GITS was and is such a massive vector in pop culture"

Never heard of it for some reason. 

I may get a tad riled up discussing GITS ;) but Shambler you fucking nonce.

As to stylistic differences : no its not a stylistic difference, it is clearly to add more face time for dear lead actress, its not like they would have trouble recreating the head gear pictured in the anime, the problem with it is obstructs expensive-ticket-selling-face or whatever. It also basically makes no sense.

As to vector in pop culture :
You I guess feel GITS did not influence you or your acuqntainces directly. It has though influenced countless creators of media & entertainment. Some in a subtle fashion, some not so subtle.

Cameron, Spielbergs, Wachowskis for high profile peeps openly admitting their love of it.
So many others, it hit at the right time to leave a very strong impression on many movie creators.

And through this my dear Shambler, it has influenced even people who do not watch anime through movies and other entertainment influenced by it. That is what I mean by pop culture vector ya ? 

And I argue for a not faithful recreation of the "cartoon" if it cannot line up with their marketing/talent whatever prerogatives.

What they do instead though is a very lame scene copy whilst ramming their conflicting interests into the scene like a purulent semi flaccid cock and making a right proper neither/nor fuckup of it. 

Never heard of it for some reason.

I think it's big shit in anime circles. Of course, the mistake anime fans make, is thinking anyone normal knows or cares about anime. 

 

 

Ghost in the Shell is a staple of Cyberpunk fiction, definitely one of the most famous Cyberpunk works out there. Are you living in a cave? It's as important as Akira or The Matrix for Cyberpunk cinema, if not more (The Matrix uses a lot of concepts from Ghost in the Shell too). I also confirm what Killes said regarding influence, Ghost in the Shell influenced a whole lot of Cyberpunk stuff, from video games to films, etc. Deus Ex for instance lifted a lot of things from Ghost in the Shell. Now I don't like the original manga much (never been a fan of Shirow to be honest) but Oshii's films and the first Stand Alone Complex season are god-tier.

That film looks like complete trash by the way, and there was no fucking way they could've had Oshii's version's story for your regular Hollywood audience. It's far too complicated and requires a bit of thinking from the audience. 

 

Ah, that explains my lack of awareness. I don't think I've read a comic book since sometime in the 80s. Nothing wrong with them, of course. 

These people...shit on "cartoons" but play fucking videah games LOL!
Fucking ridic, just bad "oh anime, japanese weirdos, furries and weird gay romance shit amiright guys? ..." 

 

......I get the vague impression I should be taking this REALLY SERIOUSLY especially as #func's veteran of original-in-any-series militant purism Skacky has got involved.

So if someone can show an example slightly more convincing than getting blood boilingly outraged that the 2017 GITS has a 50 second fight scene with the character's face shown at 37 seconds and the 1997 has a slower paced 68 second fight scene with the character's face shown at 67 seconds (this is the crucial difference that is ruining the entire film, right??), then I will ponder long and deep about the moral implications of it. Cheers. 

It's not that there's an 18 second difference in the fight scene more a 30 second in difference in the face reveal....

it is clearly to add more face time for dear lead actress, its not like they would have trouble recreating the head gear pictured in the anime, the problem with it is obstructs expensive-ticket-selling-face or whatever.

It's that when the face is revealled from the cloaking, the original GITS character takes 3 seconds to lift up the eye mask head gear thingy.

That's it, those 3 seconds. I get it now. 

Don't forget Shambler is the guy who refuses to play old games and thinks shitty reboots and awful sequels are just fine.