If the 2017 live action film isn't 100% utterly identical to the 1995 cartoon version in every way, including ways that would make it look utterly bloody nonsensical as live action but at at least slavishly and stubbornly "faithful", then the entirity of humankind should boycott the film, and Killes anus will explode. 

"GITS was and is such a massive vector in pop culture"

Never heard of it for some reason. 

I may get a tad riled up discussing GITS ;) but Shambler you fucking nonce.

As to stylistic differences : no its not a stylistic difference, it is clearly to add more face time for dear lead actress, its not like they would have trouble recreating the head gear pictured in the anime, the problem with it is obstructs expensive-ticket-selling-face or whatever. It also basically makes no sense.

As to vector in pop culture :
You I guess feel GITS did not influence you or your acuqntainces directly. It has though influenced countless creators of media & entertainment. Some in a subtle fashion, some not so subtle.

Cameron, Spielbergs, Wachowskis for high profile peeps openly admitting their love of it.
So many others, it hit at the right time to leave a very strong impression on many movie creators.

And through this my dear Shambler, it has influenced even people who do not watch anime through movies and other entertainment influenced by it. That is what I mean by pop culture vector ya ? 

And I argue for a not faithful recreation of the "cartoon" if it cannot line up with their marketing/talent whatever prerogatives.

What they do instead though is a very lame scene copy whilst ramming their conflicting interests into the scene like a purulent semi flaccid cock and making a right proper neither/nor fuckup of it. 

Never heard of it for some reason.

I think it's big shit in anime circles. Of course, the mistake anime fans make, is thinking anyone normal knows or cares about anime. 

 

 

Ghost in the Shell is a staple of Cyberpunk fiction, definitely one of the most famous Cyberpunk works out there. Are you living in a cave? It's as important as Akira or The Matrix for Cyberpunk cinema, if not more (The Matrix uses a lot of concepts from Ghost in the Shell too). I also confirm what Killes said regarding influence, Ghost in the Shell influenced a whole lot of Cyberpunk stuff, from video games to films, etc. Deus Ex for instance lifted a lot of things from Ghost in the Shell. Now I don't like the original manga much (never been a fan of Shirow to be honest) but Oshii's films and the first Stand Alone Complex season are god-tier.

That film looks like complete trash by the way, and there was no fucking way they could've had Oshii's version's story for your regular Hollywood audience. It's far too complicated and requires a bit of thinking from the audience. 

 

Ah, that explains my lack of awareness. I don't think I've read a comic book since sometime in the 80s. Nothing wrong with them, of course. 

These people...shit on "cartoons" but play fucking videah games LOL!
Fucking ridic, just bad "oh anime, japanese weirdos, furries and weird gay romance shit amiright guys? ..." 

 

......I get the vague impression I should be taking this REALLY SERIOUSLY especially as #func's veteran of original-in-any-series militant purism Skacky has got involved.

So if someone can show an example slightly more convincing than getting blood boilingly outraged that the 2017 GITS has a 50 second fight scene with the character's face shown at 37 seconds and the 1997 has a slower paced 68 second fight scene with the character's face shown at 67 seconds (this is the crucial difference that is ruining the entire film, right??), then I will ponder long and deep about the moral implications of it. Cheers. 

It's not that there's an 18 second difference in the fight scene more a 30 second in difference in the face reveal....

it is clearly to add more face time for dear lead actress, its not like they would have trouble recreating the head gear pictured in the anime, the problem with it is obstructs expensive-ticket-selling-face or whatever.

It's that when the face is revealled from the cloaking, the original GITS character takes 3 seconds to lift up the eye mask head gear thingy.

That's it, those 3 seconds. I get it now. 

Don't forget Shambler is the guy who refuses to play old games and thinks shitty reboots and awful sequels are just fine. 

 

I'd refuse to watch the original GITS and watch the 2017 remake specifically to relish in the slickness of leaving out THOSE 3 SECONDS OF EYE MASK CRUCIALITY and annoy you dicks. Except apparently - and I can't remember this - the GF says I watched GITS at her flat a while ago. I dunno if it was the series? Or the original film? Suffice to say it must have left a huge, culture-defining impression on me. 

Yeah so a culture-defining work has no influence at all if you don't like it or if it doesn't leave a lasting impression on you. 

.....what I'm actually saying is,

































YOUR MOM. Srsly. Nuff said. 

HTH. 

I'm still deciding whether I should watch the original first, or the live action first. Being that I've seen neither. I have been saving the original up for years so maybe it's time. I'll see how the reviews go.

I don't get what the big deal with those 2 scenes is though, they looked pretty identical to me. Or is the cartoon not the main chick? The person under the mask does look like a dude, but then anime artists have problems drawing men that are supposed to be attractive. They just end up looking like pretty ladies.

What annoys me is Scarlett Johansonson being cast. I'm over looking at her pulling ducklips with her giant prolapsed asshole lips in every movie she's in lately. She has little range in her acting. 

Dont give a shit about anime, but those 2 scenes looked pretty comparable. Scarlett Johansson is beyond shit in action films though, and I can understand the annoyance around making asian characters white, it's somewhere between racist and incredibly lame.

The problem with her is that she's clearly really fucking unathletic and ungraceful. Kind of a big deal when the fight scenes are the majority of a film. And you have to watch her throw some awful punch or kick and then you get this stupid fucking smug pout for dessert. I dunno, maybe hire someone who has martial arts training? Or at least played sports growing up? Maybe there's someone like that in Japan if we look hard enough. 

There's more to anime than cringey teenager crap or cute little girls with pink hair and big eyes. 

I translated killes gobble-de-gook for you. The scenes are radically different (apart from the trivial 22 years and cartoon vs. live action minor issues) because of that 3 second delay in the cartoon one where he/she/it lifts the eyemask. And thus the whole film and the entirity of cyberpunk culture is ruined FOREVER. 

Is phenomenal visually and technically. It may be a little too obtuse for its own good. Or maybe I'm just dense. Or both.


I've intended to watch Grave of the Fireflies for the last few years but can't seem to bring myself to commit two hours to a movie :/