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I thought a trio of themed threads about other entertainment media might be good. If you're not interested, please just ignore the thread and pick some threads that interest you from here: http://celephais.net/board/view_all_threads.php

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Yes Definitely Agree 
Depsite all the attempts to replicate Sigourney Weaver's awesomeness in the original film, they have never done it. She just sold it completely, even more impressive given how certain script decisions including which characters would be male or female, was done at the last moment (then again, random selection is better than allowing any political ideology to write your script/characters for you). If anyone hasn't seen the documentary about the making of Alien which features interviews with her and the writers, it's definitely worth checking out.

Also they never explained what David did to Shaw, and it's so frustrating to see the modern movies still be shit even after Alien vs Predator; with Giger's vision and some Lovecraft inspiration you COULD make a great film instead of rehashing tired of bullshit in increasingly inferior ways. Copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a....

Fassbender is great but he can't save a bad script.

P.S. lol the opposite of how they had to talk Javier Bardem into accepting his haircut for No Country for Old Men. He wasn't happy about it at all apparently, but it was awesome. 
 
Logan Lucky - 7/10

Nothing amazing, but definitely well made character driven entertainment. It's not quite as goofy as the trailer makes out but it still has its share of left field laugh out loud moments, plus the usual heist movie shenanigans.


Atomic Blonde - 5.5-6/10

Some neat action scenes for sure (although I wasnt a huge fan of the Max Payne/Matrix esque shot last one) but the tone is very serious for something that doesnt have too much substance. Committed performances from Theron and McAvoy only manage to take it so far. 
The Matrix 4, 5 And 6 
Jonathan of Wycke part one - 4/5

Very entertaining and has some beautifully filmed sequences IMHO. The fights felt really good too and I liked all the little details where he runs out of ammo and has to reload and so forth. Some of the dialogue to build up his persona felt a bit forced, though.

Jonathan of Wycke part two - 3.5/4

Still very entertaining and had a rather hilarious and elongated fight sequence in which they shoot at each others in an underground rail complex thing while other commuters walk past them. It didn't feel as fresh as the first one, though, and they really didn't have to show him kill someone with a pencil.

Joanna of Wycke - 3/5

Good fights but the cinematography started failing a bit here. It could have gone for more long and stabilising shots to establish the setting a bit more so we as viewers can settle in. The quick cuts made it messier than it should have been. 
Stephen King's The Shining 
miniseries was broadcasted on french TV tonight and I found it quite boring. I really struggled to keep my attention focused on the screen. Cinematography is bland and lightyears away from Kubrick's mastery, but that was to be expected.

My true grievances are:
- The actor playing Jack Torrance is nowhere near as good as Nicholson, who remains the all-time Sith Lord of psychotic characters.
- The kid looks dumb and I can't stand his twangy voice - he sounds like he has a shit-ton of snot held up in there!
- FX are too cheap, to the point where the whole thing looks kinda like a Z movie.
- The epilogue is downright cheesy AF. 
 
mother! - 5.5/10

I thought this worked on a metaphorical level only. And IMHO if all you are going to do is attempt to dramatise (not so subtle) metaphor, you need to have something interesting and thought provoking to say. And apart from the point of view taken here, I didn't find much of interest. 
 
Blade Runner 2049 - 8/10

Clearly a lot of work went into this, making sure it both thematically and aesthetically builds on, and does not just retread/remix, the first film. A little too overreliant on plotting than the first one, and I actually think it could have been a bit longer (or at least the back half should have been given more time than the first half) to flesh out the impact of some of the plot points more.

The direction however is very on point even when the script isn't and there are a number of stunning sequences throughout. Overall, a hugely satisfying film in its own right and as a sequel. 
Oats Studios 
Came here to look for movie tips and ended up watching Oats Studios Rakka and Firebase on Youtube. Thanks for the links, it was quite interesting.

Firebase overexplained its thing. Blomkamp to me seems to be at his best when the situation seems quite chaotic from a personal point of view, and things just unfold. I guess District 9 relied on the excellent lead actor and main character improvising a lot. Everybody was given some (insane) orders and they tried to carry them out as best as they could. It seems very life like when it works. 
Bladerunner 2049. 
Such film, so little discussion, wow?

Really rather good. I'm not a fanboi of the original but this seems to tribute it and eventually sequelise it AND stand fine in it's own right. Some scenes and shots dragged on too much, and there was a bit of pretentiousness (like the original IIRC), but as intelligent stylish cyberpunk it was cool, plot was neat, and most prominently many of the scenes and scenery were stunning - enough to make me wish I'd caught it earlier on a bigger screen. 
2049 
Not perfect but better script/story IMO than the original. I saw 2x and enjoyed it and I thought it only dragged in a few places.

I saw it at Warner Bros Studios and the sound was amazing! My 19 and 15 year liked it a lot (which surprised me.) 
Yeah, 2049 Was Surprisingly Good 
caught it in theaters a few weeks ago and enjoyed it more than the first one. visually/sonically it was fantastic. the acting wasn't annoying for the most part, which is usually one of my main gripes. i think the story was good but the telling could have been much more subtle as i found it predictable throughout. but yeah, all those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain. or something. 
Shambler 
I was actually going to post asking why havent you seen it :) 
I Dunno That It Was Surprisingly Good. 
The trailer looked like it was going to be good to anyone except the most jaded fanboi....

I agree the story was unsubtle - but perfectly fine for a film - maybe that's why I found some of the lengthy moments a bit jarring (like finding the horse).

Good call about the sound design too. Some good music - the noises when he meets the hos for the first time were great.

Nitin, a bit slow with the cinema these days :) 
Not Really A Fanboi 
but certainly jaded and cynical when it comes to new mainstream films (especially established franchises that are ripe for raping). I'm accustomed to disappointment so 2049 was a welcome surprise :D

I think something that helped 2049 was keeping scott out of the director's chair (villeneuve was a great pick too, glad it wasn't nolan).

also, let's take a moment to appreciate that 2049 isn't an alien/prometheus tie-in. 
I Claim The Previous Post 
I'm sure you guys have heard by now, but cameron is on board the new terminator (as well as schwarzenegger and hamilton). an interview, for those interested. 
@killpixel 
I dunno. I am kinda over The Terminator story. And recall that Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull had the originals back together. Maybe it will be groundbreaking in some way but..? 
I Wish 
Alien was the only Alien movie, Blade Runner was the only Blade Runner movie, and the first two Terminators were the only Terminator movies or even if it was only T2. 2049 was alright, worth watching and of course the visuals were spectacular, but I really wish they would focus more on original scifi visions; it's not like there isn't material for it (there will never be an At the Mountains of Madness movie, alas).

Nolan made Following for like $6,000 if I recall correctly. Noir can be such a win when well done, and blends well with scifi (ie Blade Runner, Dark City, etc). 
@dumptruck 
Yeah, I don't have high hopes, but the fact that Cameron is part of it and that it's a sequel to T2 (and ignores the other movies) is enough for me to care to some degree. I like the Terminator universe and aesthetic so I would welcome a good modern rendition of it. Fingers crossed.

@Tronyn - Alien was the only Alien movie

No love for Aliens? 
Game Over Man! 
heh, I like Aliens, it's the best one other than the first one, but I still don't think the first one benefits from associating with it. 
Iron Sky 2: 
The Coming Race

https://youtu.be/dxiCnhH6TcM

Gonna be out in a few months. Anyone hyped? :D 
BR 2049 
was like a dream and I loved it! I don't know, but even though movie felt slow and the story wasn't anything too original, just that there is so much time to see and feel how semi-depressive the future would be like. I loved the soundtrack, and I would watch it again just for that.
Slow it felt, but it is really the selling point here, I think. I don't often watch movies, which tie on the ambience with so steady grip and this made me zombie for long amount of time after the ending. 
2049 
Was a very pretty film but the soundtrack was garbage. I didn't care for the story that much either.

The original film is a masterpiece in film-making. 
The Soundtrack Worked Really Well During The Film IMHO 
 
The Soundtrack Was Far Better Than Fifth's Post. 
 
Fifth's Post Was Better Than The Story Telling. 
 
IS 2 
Curiosity strikes again. Although in the first one I lost attention at the second half, I still wanna see what they got in their sleeves. 
 
Seen these over the last two months:

Detroit - The reviews for Kathryn Bigelow's latest one are interesting. Some say the characterisation is not very nuanced, other say that it did not go far enough in condemning the actions it depicts. Personally, I found it a very well made film that, although being very difficult to watch in parts, is quite balanced in its (semi-fictionalised) depiction of the 1967 Detroit Riots and a particular incident at the Algiers Hotel. Sure it doesnt provide elaborate character backstories, or offer any solution to the depicted complex problems, but to say that the movie lacks nuance or doesnt go far enough in condemning the actions it depicts seems to me to be reading into it what people might want to read into it. Also, it's technically first rate, and the performances are fantastic.

8/10


Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Has its fair share of problems, namely some very spotty plotting and a romantic subplot for Finn that leads to a scene (the kiss) as cheesy as anything in the prequel trilogy. But against those problems, it has some very interesting alterations to the themes that normally run through SW movies. Those same alterations seem to have annoyed a lot of dedicated fans but personally I found those alterations interesting and refreshing from what was becoming a very stale franchise. Some of the visuals were also very well done (both particular shots but also the editing in the Rey/Kylo connection scenes).

At least in for the last one in this trilogy and the first in Rian Johnson's upcoming new trilogy.

7.5/10


The Killing of a Sacred Deer - Very weird movie tonally, and whilst that was definitely entertaining to watch (especially if you like black humour), I am not sure it was very effective. As a comparison point, thematically this was not that different to say Haneke's Cache, but that was far more chillingly effective if less entertaining. Performances are all top notch and in sync with the tone, as are the technical accomplishments, but to me this felt like a missed opportunity traded in for an exercise in zaniness.

Also has the best pasta eating scene I have ever seen.

7/10


Good Time - Very stylishly and propulsively made, and with a killer soundtrack, but ultimately less than the sum of its parts overall. There are some great character bits, some hilarious scripting, but nevertheless, despite being entertaining for most of its runtime, this ultimately felt like a whole lot of nothing by the end.

7/10


The Disaster Artist - I havent seen The Room but I also havent seen Plan 9 From Outer Space but still consider Ed Wood to be one of the all time great films. Unfortunately James Franco's movie is nowhere near the quality of Burton's masterpiece. It seems completely uninterested in what made Tommy Wiseau or Greg Sestero tick or what drove them (at least beyond a very superficial level) to make The Room in the way that they did (like Wood, Wiseau obviously didnt realise he was making a terrible movie but unlike in Burton' film you get no sense here of why Wiseau thought he wasnt).

It seems far more interested, and definitely in a rush, to recreate the shooting of some of the scenes in The Room so that you can laugh at them. But then why wouldnt you just watch The Room?

On the plus side, going by the end credits and some youtube clips, Franco's impersonation of Wiseau seems to be extremely spot on.

5.5/10


Ingrid Goes West - Surprisingly hilarious and critical take on not only instragram culture and social media obsessiveness, but also hipster culture and the LA lifestyle, with Aubrey Plaza and Elizabeth Olsen doing terrific work as stalker and stalkee. There is enough depth to the characters to keep you interested and although it is cynical enough, the movie thankfully doesn't end up becoming clichedly nihilistic.

Also O'Shea Jackson Jnr's Batman obsessed character steals every scene he is in.

7-7.5/10 
The Last Jedi 
Visually, it's lovely. Every scene looks great and the effects are top notch. This movie is a real feast for the eyes (and ears). Aside from that, I hate it deeply and lament its existence. 
 
I think The Last Jedi was just Rian Johnson watching too much Game of Thrones and he decided to be a maximum edgelord and just kill off all the characters you didn't want killed off.

JJ Abrams has a massive clean-up job on his hands with ep9, that's for sure. 
 
I think Rian Johnson decided to be a maximum edgelord and just kill off a franchise you didn't want killed off. This wasn't just a beheading either. He disemboweled star wars, showered it with excrement then savagely ass raped it into oblivion. I can't wait to behold its spit-shined carcass in ep9.

Fuck, I haven't even cared about star wars for some time and I'm still angry :/ 
@killpixel 
You summed up the movie perfectly in #6036! +1 
I Quite Liked It! 
 
Last Jedi 
was a disgrace. For me it's worse than the prequel films by some margin. 
The Last Jedi 
Everyone I've spoken too cites wildly different reasons as to why they hate The Last Jedi. What are you fellas' grievances? 
@Kinn (SPOILERS) 
Well, the screenplay is horrid. And that's the problem.

There are scenes like the mutiny toward the end of the movie that serve no purpose in advancing the story. The casino stuff - all pointless and worse - excessive. Honestly it felt like those scenes were tacked on to the movie to sell toys. (the real reason all Star Wars films exist.) Our main characters fail in what they were attempting to do. But they succeed in finding a hacker (by chance.) huh? pretty convenient.

Somehow every character, including Luke is unlikable now as opposed in the last picture. Except Rey. She's passable. I hated Poe by the end of the movie. Finn was sidelined to a quest that, as I said, was meaningless to the story. Yoda came back as a puppet. Was that a good idea? I was distracted by it I apparently missed some good dialogue. where's Obi Wan? Too busy for a chat?

Leia dies and then revives herself? WTF? Why didn't the Emperor that in Episode 6? Then Luke dies without any foreshadowing? WTF? There are countless moments I was baffled that someone would release such an incoherent story based in a universe that has some logic to it.

Visually there are some great scenes. Really cool moments. Great action. But really a big spaceship can't catch up to a smaller spaceship? That's your ticking clock? How utterly lame and uncinematic.

I had no issue with the humor except the first few minutes. Domhnall Gleeson is a good actor but he was wayyyy over the top in that opening scene. I was cringing for him and puzzled as to what the hell was up. I actually liked that Luke was a bit cranky but he never really snapped out of it. For me as a kid Luke Skywalker was my Star Wars hero. This sendoff was extremely disappointing.

Big things and little:

Rose's sister is exposed to space in the beginning of the movie but she doesn't freeze. Later Leia is exposed but her face forms ice crystals. Huh? Stupid detail shit like that matters. I've clearly thought about it more than the filmmakers who just want your money.

Rose was a cute little character and then she had to have that horrible "death kiss" scene. Ugghhh.

This is a long video but the guy is smart and brings up a lot of great analysis of the film from a writer's perspective. He's not as hard on the movie as I am being, so it's another perspective you might be interested in hearing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC8vSlSsbwI&ab_channel=MatthewColville 
Solo 
Well, Solo is officially the lowest-grossing Star Wars film of all time, and a loss-making bomb. Never thought I'd type that about a Star Wars film.

Solo's production and marketing was estimated at $450 million, and yet optimistic predictions put it at earning no more than $350 million worldwide.

Incredible when you think about it. I think even I could manage this franchise better than that.

It's a shame because I thought it was a great film, with a lot of great performances, and the new Han and Lando were excellent casts.

Lame excuses are being knocked around like "Oh, Memorial day weekends are never great for BO" (then why the fuck did you release on Memorial day, you geniuses), and "oh, it's just franchise fatigue" (when Marvel sharts out 3 movies in 6 months).

No, you don't get a spectacular bomb like that without it having a little bit to do with audience dissatisfaction with the previous film. 
TBH 
It could easily be franchise fatigue, since every POS from Marvel at least has a different setting and backstory (however wafer-thin), while the Star Wars "universe" just isn't as exciting.

It's exactly like the Red Letter Media guys say: you could tell any story in the Star Wars series, but everybody only cares about the Jedi/Sith/Republic/AT-STs so it's the smallest universe there is.

It's pretty sad that Solo is flopping, but the poor marketing is to blame - it was so weak that it seemed to everybody as if the studio has a turkey on their hands, so nobody bothered to see it for themselves.

And even still, the sequels with Han Solo and Chewbacca already exist. ;-) 
I'm Still Holding My Breath For Episode 9 
I'm curious to see how JJ Abrams can just sort of skip straight from Episode 7 to Episode 9, because that is what we will need. Maybe he should ask Microsoft (8->10). 
Re: Solo 
Saw it over the weekend. I enjoyed it and it was more satisfying than The Last Jedi. But at 2 hrs, 15 minutes it was too long. Some of the cinematography was terrible and the design/color palette was washed out, and worse: boring. The scenes in the mine looked worse than an episode of Star Trek. Woody Harrelson is always great but in this he was a bit... boring. Still many nice moments and excellent action sequences.

This one deserved to make some money. Kind of sad to see it flop. But what can you expect from a 2 hour toy commercial?

I have zero faith in the franchise moving forward. JJ Abrams isn't a miracle worker. 
Legion Season 2. 
Still good, and in some ways an improvement over season 1, but overall quite meandering, and not as mindblowing as last year's outing. Twin Peaks Season 3 probably spoilt me in this department (and there were many very clear parallels or straight up references to Twin Peaks Season 3 in Legion Season 2).

Could have been excellent with some tighter plotting and more substance over style, but oh well.

Roll on season 3 and then give Dan Stevens the Double-O status. 
 
have been impressed with the Plague tv series (spanish), the first part was especially intriguing. the ending were meh thou 
 
looks like Solo's box office has killed off the rest of the SW standalone films:
https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2018/06/disney-scrapping-star-wars-standalone-movies-rethinking-development-and-why-thats-actually-great-for-the-franchise.html

As someone who thoroughly enjoys clapping when I see things I recognise, I'm pretty gutted. I don't like the new direction they are going with the "Episode" films, but loved the OT-centric standalone films. 
TLJ... 
That was the real killer.
Also, why make a Star Wars Film every year? That may be more profitable in the short term but could be the reason for SW to finally die. At least one gap year would have done wonders at preserving the franchise. 
Also 
Star Wars will now have to face off with Avatar every Christmas now. I think we're a lot closer to the end that we are to the start of this new wave of SW films. 
TLJ Had So Much Wrong 
It put a stank on the whole franchise. Ah heck let's just autopilot x-wings light speed through all the first order cruisers amd be done with it.



OR completely ignore that TLJ ever existed and do something completely different with Episode 8, something out in the future further. 
 
Ultimately, they should have based it on Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy and expanded from there 
 
As enjoyable as Legion S2 was for me, I thought it was nowhere near as good as season 1. It was 11 episodes of hardly anything happening except the creators being arty. The whole thing could have been condensed down to 6 or 7 episodes. Lose the episode of multiverse David - really what was the point of this episode? To show some of the other versions of him that screwed up? Who cares. There's limitless universes, how about show one where he's turned into a huge fiery dragon and is fighting Fin Fang Foom. That's about how irrelevant these other universes are. The one where David went into the others' minds to release them out of their dream, seriously we needed 1.5 episodes for this? The pretentious conversations between Farouk and Oliver. Half an episode spent on David's sister's body being taken over. As great as it was seeing Aubrey Plaza naked again (I do love her character in this show). But just way too much fluffing about in this season and even the finale wasn't as spectacular as the last few episodes of season 1.

I did really like how it finished though. Just a shame that it didn't happen around episode 8 and we got to continue the season with Legion vs Shadow King but roles reversed.

Still my second favourite show on tv though. 
 
yeah franchise fatigue could be the issue. After watching The Force Awakens and then Rogue One, I found Rogue One to be so boring. I don't know why but I couldn't really finish watching it and went to do something else while it played in the background. Maybe I just didn't give a damn about the new characters and an irrelevant story. I just sat through getting to know Daisy Ridley, who was actually quite interesting. Now I've got to get to know Felicity Jones, much less interesting, and it's far too long. I should have enjoyed it but just didn't. Paint by numbers Star Wars sci-fi. At least TFA had Harrison Ford, Daisy and the dude playing Kylo Ren I oddly quite liked.

But yeah watching both of those within a few days, that was enough Star Wars for me for a couple of years and I haven't even seen The Last Jedi yet, nor am I in any rush. Now there's another Star Wars movie out!! And it's some weird looking 60's style Han Solo movie? Why the retro poster? Is the film based in the 1960's with swinging, drugs and psychedelic rock? I doubt it. Thandie Newton (I've had enough of her cockiness in Westworld tbh) and Woody Harrelson? Is he no longer washed up doing B-movies now?

With Marvel movies it's different characters, different stories, possibly different universes if we're comparing X-Men to Avengers and even GOTG has about as much in common with Asgard or NYC as it does with Sesame Street. Plus we're already familiar with the characters in every movie because of the comics.

Avatar? A bunch of weird blue aliens in what is almost a kids movie. I'd have zero interest in watching that. I suppose I'm not the target market anymore though, because there's no movie that I'd ever pay to see. It's been years since I paid for a movie, the tickets are just stupidly priced.

Who is the target market though? Avatar was released almost 10 years now. The teens that populated cinemas in 2009 are now approaching their 30's and probably have families. Do they still even go to the movies?

But Star Wars... why do they think this is such a big franchise when the original fans of Star Wars are at a minimum in their 60s now. Even the prequel trilogy is 20 years old. And now they're doing 1 new film per year and expecting it to break $500mill each time... 
 
why do they think this is such a big franchise when the original fans of Star Wars are at a minimum in their 60s now.

I'm 50. Star Wars fan until recently. 
 
My calculation is based on Star Wars 1 being 41 years old, so you would have been 9 when you first saw it? However most 9 year olds (and their parents) can't afford $30 movie tickets so I assume target age group that pay for movies is 15-25? Which puts original SW1 movie goers about 56-66. Take off several years if it was SW2 or SW3 that got you into the franchise so 50 makes sense. 
Movie Tickets 
..were approximately $3.75 to $4.25 when Star Wars came out. I saw it seven time in the theaters. The first time with my parents at a drive-in theater! I got $10 a week allowance back then for vacuuming the house and dusting. So I paid for most of those showing myself.

The thing is there are millions of Star Wars fans who loved the last movie - worldwide. Han Solo not played by Harrison Ford is a tough sell though and franchise fatigue is real. I have zero hope for any good Star Wars picture from here on out. 
 
So what did you all think of Overlord? Close enough wolfenstein movie? 
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