But if you limit the precision of the plane points, you limit the number of points where a vertex can be because not every plane can be represented with limited-precision plane points. As the easiest case, think of a plane that is parallel to the XY plane with a Z value of 0.4. This plane cannot be represented with integer precision plane points. The closest approximation is the XY plane itself.

The problem is that it is impossible to represent the many brushes which can be created with TB's vertex editing (or arbitrary rotation, for that matter) if you limit the precision of plane points. Of course, the smaller the value you snap the points to, the smaller the errors will become.

In any case, I feel the best way is to leave this to the user. I will add a setting to the map properties dialog that will allow the user to choose between integer coordinates and floating point coordinates, and to increase the maximum number of digits written to the map file to a really high value so that the rounding will be minimal. 

That would help me a lot, without me having to learn a new editor. 

 

I made a little tutorial about how to make logic gates in Quake. Currently I just wrote a text file and made an example map, but I plan to put a page on the wiki when I have some better pictures to use :)

http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/misc/tutorial_logic.zip

It shows how to make AND, OR and IF ELSE. Using these as building blocks you can do all kinds of things (if else is actually two gates inverse of each other anyway).

What I didn't explain is that the single door logic gate is essentially a NOT gate. 

I'm sure there'll be many cool puzzles coming out of this. 

Hi guys, I just wanted to give this editor a try and read the docu but I don't have any textures loaded.
I am using DarkPlaces and chose the DarkPlace folder for my directory with the Quake stuff in it.
But I don't see any textures being loaded, what am I doing wrong <.< 

which editor?? trenchbroom?

edit > map properties > + button > find your .wad file 

need to download the .wad files.

https://www.quaddicted.com/files/wads/id.wad.zip <--- the standard textures

There's a lot of different texture .wads in that directory too, they *should* all be quake 1 .wads 

you very much!

I used to make maps for Doom and thought that wads are in the main directory like DOOM2.wad (also because of the Quake.wad mentioned in the documentation ^^).

And I know this is a different topic, but can I also make maps for the Q1 expansions like SoA or DoE somehow? I'd love to make use of the entities featured in those games. 

You will need to hunt down the .fgd files (the entity data that Worldcraft and Trenchbroom use) for them. I don't have them, sorry. They used to be over at PlanetQuake but that site is dead now. 

http://www.quaddicted.com/files/tools/quakefgd.zip 

the one. 

I get an error in the console line "Parse error at line 8, column 1: Unkown Entity definition class @ Main". Are other fgds not supported by TB yet? 

Open the FGD in a text editor and delete lines 8 up to and including 13. 

Trenchbroom has extra data in it's fgd file that isn't in the originals. You would have to add things like the colors and model info into it for it to work 100% in Trenchbroom.

And that looks like a problem with that .fgd. Try commenting out the @main lines down to the worldspawn entry by putting a \\ in front of each line. I'm not sure which editor uses that command but it's not a standard Worldcraft item. 

TB only adds the model info, and that's completely optional.

And yeah, the @Main section in that FGD file seems to be erraneous. You can comment stuff in FGD files with two slashes //. 

and made a very simple map to show it off. You can find the map here:
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/misc/tutorial_logic_01.zip

and Preach's article is here:
http://tomeofpreach.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/mid-map-entity-spawning/

Very useful for those who are making a map for vanilla progs. 

I can imagine some clever puzzle maps for standard quake with this. I've been thinking about coop maps recently, I have noticed that many maps that are built for singleplayer have broken co-op support and I'm considering some kind of prefab solutions that I could use this for. 

To be fair, the chances of your map being played co-op are so slim these days it's really hard to work up the enthusiasm to set it up. 

You mean compared to the millions of people who play the standard singleplayer maps?


FifthElephant: Please do! Coop is great fun and some proper maps would rock. 

You know what I mean. If 10 people play your map in single player, you'll be lucky to have anyone who gives it a run in co-op. 

I know what you mean but so what. Is modding for Quake about popularity? I don't think so for most people. 

I saw your post on facebook via some friends! Made me smile quite a lot (I think/hope it was you)!

As for co-op, I don't see why mappers don't have it in mind before they start smacking brushes down. It seems like a huge oversight to me.
For example, I saw in the coop vid of Vondurs Nastrond situations where one player is in a room and 3 are locked out, why not make it a one way room by having a drop-down or lift on one side?
Why have it so the player has to run aallll the way through the map only to fall in the lava? Would it be so much extra work to have a teleport/checkpoint?
Why not have ammo closets that are open in coop?
What is the point of having keys break a map when you can just use a button?

I think quakes coop could be like Zelda Four Swords with guns! 

there aren't really many players, so a really well done coop mode probably won't be played by many people.

That said, I think there is a niche of a niche audience who do still play coop. I love coop Quake, but I don't know who plays or how to play anymore (netquake?) More maps supporting coop, and especially a map tailored for coop would be welcome. Just don't expect everyone to be able to play it. 

"Is modding for Quake about popularity? I don't think so for most people."

Of course. And if putting in co-op support is what turns a mappers crank then go for it. I'm just saying that for most mappers, that's probably not what they're in it for. :)