Hey.

I'm having issues when trying to place some bio/plasma/normal exploding boxes. None of them seems to have spawnflags attribute, so that must be the reason why my quakespasm console says that "No Spawn Function For:" for every explo box.

Maybe Quoth places them differently? 

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BwxYkKdSD855bmUwSVltWlJaZm8

What to do? Do I really always need to make geometry from the very beginning? 

That's basically Quakespasm saying it doesn't know what those entities are. Make sure you're starting it with the correct command line -game switch:

quakespasm.exe -game quoth

...or whatever the mod makers say to use. 

Also make sure that the classname is spelt correctly, and that it's all in lower-case.

The quoth specific ones are:

misc_biobox_s
misc_biobox_l
misc_plasmabox_s
misc_plasmabox_l

The standard ones haven't changed name:

misc_explobox
misc_explobox2

Try one of the standard ones, and even if you don't load the Quoth mod they should work. 

can I add a "target" and a "killtarget" to a same trigger? 

i don't think so, due to a bug in the original progs.dat 

It's on my mental list of things to not do when editing Quake, so at some time I must have been unsuccessful trying it. What I do is add a trigger_relay with the same targetname and have it do the killtarget. 

 

If you fix that bug, then e4m2 starts getting glitchy behaviour. Nothing game-breaking, but you get a message that you've leaving without an important weapon...at the very point that you pick it up! Ah, compatibility issues. 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwxYkKdSD855Z1hnT2JTcWU1VWs/view?usp=sharing

I was like normally shooting inside in almost perfect cube and this happened. And that happened when using Quakespasm engine (the latest one also).

I tried to try out fitzquake but it didn't run on my windows 10 computer or something "this application stopped working"

I had darkplaces downloaded and tried that one, and it played out without this wierd stuck on floor bug/issue. But the gun kept shivering while moving, and I don't know why.

I'm using quoth mod for this specific jam map.

I tried out also map without quoth mod and using quakespasm.. and it seems that because there is no enemies "executioner (plasma gun soldier) or bob" I haven't been able to redo that bug.

Does it have to do something with physics? Because level layout is as solid as it could be and I'm sure about that. Because I have made more complex maps during my free-time and using AD mod having no such issues. I really hope there is something I could do to make this never happen or be possible. 

Two questions:

1) Which editor are you using to make the map?

2) Can you save the game after the bug occurs and upload the save file somewhere?

Using the latter I can check if you still have a trigger which is removing all the entities. 

I send you mail, I'm having still issues with that spawn bug. 

We need a plan b for the attachments... 

Are you still having trouble with all the entities getting removed? I sent you an e-mail yesterday but not heard back... 

After a while I couldn't reproduce that bug. Right when I removed killtarget fields and even replaced enemies by new ones - I received that same issue.

I switched to Ad mod and mapped about 2-3 days, and just a moment ago switched to quoth mod and couldn't get that bug anymore. So it seems everything works fine now.

Thank you for helping me to get over this issue. 

What is the right way to start with Axe only?
"info_command_spawn" with "give s 0" is ok? Or there is a more elegant way? 

Quoth doesn't specifically add support for changing the starting items on the player. What you've discovered there does have the desired effect most of the time, but it is a cheat command. Some engines (e.g. darkplaces) don't allow cheats unless "sv_cheats 1" is set before the map starts.

That's non-trivial to work around; because "sv_cheats 1" needs to be set prior to the map loading you can't just add it to the info_command_spawn string. If there's a skill select map before your map, then you could replace the trigger_changelevel trigger to your map with an trigger_command which performs "sv_cheats 1;map jam7_khreathor".

Bit of a shame it has this complication. Otherwise it is a neat way of doing it, and it would generalise to giving the player any combination of starting weapons/ammo without having to drop them on the spawn point which we saw before was perilous. 

Maybe it's safer to use "BackpackTouch" with ammo_shells -25? I just don't know if there is an option to disable a pickup sound. Secondly you always advise to not use hacks in Quoth for future compatibility, that's why I wanted to get some "legit" way :) 

Already had some backpack hacks that broke, much less safe. Some things just aren't supported...

Is there really a need to remove those 25 shells? If you give the player a hammer and don't give them any more ammo or weapons, most of them will see it as the better option... 

I will rethink this. I have few enemies at the beginning and I want to kill them with enviro. That means player should not be able to kill them. But I can always place invisible walls, func_togglewall or something.
I like info_logic_inopen/insolid. Already used it for more complex doors and I have another crazy idea :D Just want to make sure everything is "hackless" and 100% legit with Quoth. 

You'll think of something khreathor, looking forward to playing! 

There is no option to spawn health and ammo, like you can do with enemies? I just want to be sure, I have some workaround already ;)
I know you can respawn health/ammo in Quoth, but it would be cool to have this items invisible until triggered.

Btw. It would be cool to have info_multispawn generating enemies dynamically. Now when you set count to 100, it will add them to final monster count, so if you spawn only 5, rest of them will count as a not killed enemies. I guess it's not a trivial task to program. 

Preach, you've shown before how any info_notnull could be turned into a custom ammo/health/armor. Can it be combined with the triggerable trigger hack to create spawnable goodies? 

Ahh you probably don't follow our conversation :) I want to make hackles map, with entities supported by Quoth. In Quoth you can set health/ammo to respawn in MP-like style. What I would need is spawning on demand.
I did few ammo hacks, for example stealing ammo from a player. I think spawning ammo should be doable through notnull, but as I said, I'm looking for some legit solution :)
Now I'm just using invisible lift with quoth's respawn option :P 

Invisible lift with health on top, to be precise.