 When Worlds Collide...Win XP And Worldcraft Meet
#1 posted by :=) [205.188.209.136] on 2003/01/25 23:51:49
 Looks Outa Sequence And Too Many .wads
If that's the sequence that actions are taking place in, then something's wrong. The sequence should be:
Copy .map to \quake\id1\maps
QBSP
VIS
LIGHT
winquake.exe +map ...
So check that first off.
Secondly, your map isn't getting built in the first place because the string containing the .wad files used is too long.
Remove any wads you aren't using in this map from Worldcraft's list of textures before working on this file. If that doesn't work, stick them someplace else, like C:\WADS.
 Steeriiikeee One!
#3 posted by :=) [66.19.126.61] on 2003/01/26 22:58:45
 For Future Reference:
#4 posted by metlslime [12.231.113.167] on 2003/01/27 00:51:12
this question would be better asked in the "mapping help" thread. It doesn't need its own discussion thread.
Hmm, maybe i should make a little swastika icon for 'thread nazi' posts.
 Are You Using Quote Marks In The Map Name?
If so, that could be breaking QBSP.
I know from experience: you cannot use quote marks (") in any value anywhere in a map.
 Hmm
#6 posted by nonentity [62.6.129.136] on 2003/01/27 14:47:35
As well as what metl pointed out (the fact the you posted in both places was extra annoying BTW);
you don't have to install shareware WC before the full version...
 Sorry
#7 posted by :=) [66.19.125.107] on 2003/01/28 00:05:57
My apologies to the QMap community for the double entry as it was not my intention to annoy anyone. I was foremost trying to get attention to my problem and simply thought a thread specific to Worlcraft was appropriate. At this point I do not know how to fix this apparent intrusion.
With regard to Fat Controller's response. I am not using " in the file names.
With respect to Nonentity's post. Since I took the approach of installing shareware first since I could not install the full version in the conventional sense. Thought it might help. The act of a desperate man.
Someone please take pity and help me (note sobbing sounds)
 Worldcraft Problem
#8 posted by Azazel [64.26.165.125] on 2003/01/28 18:04:11
Try resetting your game configuration for q1 (verify paths etc). Also, try to run the build exe's outside of Worldcraft (i.e. as shortcuts or in a shell). Sound like the problem is outside of Worldcraft. Invalid arg errors are usually an operating system error.
 Manual Approach
#9 posted by daftpunk [147.197.200.13] on 2003/01/29 13:46:55
please please try to think about all the steps. are all the files in the right routes? (this is a case for ANY program but specifically for compilers and all the stuff for q-editing)
have you tried making your own wad? merging them doesnt solve the problem. its the size and quantity of textures. you brobably arent using 90% or the textures so try extracting them with texmex.
as fat con said, do the sequence of compile yourself manually with the dos window if you are comfortable.
try the impossible like changing map names, making a similar one from scratch, i dunno, checking textures on liquids, checking for anything which might lead to an error, get another workin rmf file and edit it (i can give you one if you want)
thats all i can think of for now...sorry
 Switch To Hammer
#10 posted by jsHcK [132.156.128.1] on 2003/02/03 11:39:02
For me, learning how to use modern Worldcraft (Hammer & Qonverge) turned out to be much easier than trying to get Worldcraft 1.6 to run properly under XP (I couldn't).
Making the change is intimidating at first, but well worth the minimal effort required.
 Thanks Guys!
#11 posted by :=) [66.19.52.204] on 2003/02/04 00:26:12
Azazel, Thanks for helping. Forgive my ignorance but I do not understand what you mean by resetting my game configuration for q1 (verify paths etc). Nor do I tried building exe's outside of Worldcraft in dos, but got the same errors.
Thanks daftpunk, I tried all of the things you suggested to no avail.
jsHck, My thanks to you as well. You confirm my base suspicions...XP incompatibility. I understand that you can not make Quake 1 maps with Hammer??? Is this not so? If it can be used can you explain how, or direct me to an appropriate source to learn how?
 Ouch
#12 posted by daftpunk [147.197.200.13] on 2003/02/07 14:08:41
have you tried just using radiant. GTKradiant is now very good indeed rather than wrestling with wc. i know, its frustrating but just see it as: ok, cant shag catherine zeta jones. i'll have cathy zed smith. she's just as fine, just not as famous.
besides GTK will have a lot of support in the future. wc may well not (like comparing winxp to dos). you may eventually be able to solve the prob (who knows, if you have a new pc next year, i dunno) but you could always run separate hard drives so you almost have 2 different machines with different Operating system
 ...
#13 posted by necros [172.146.249.154] on 2003/02/08 11:51:32
just not as famous.
is not gtkr an editor or choice for q3 based games?
 Necros:
#14 posted by metlslime [12.231.113.167] on 2003/02/08 17:45:00
just accept the fact that the analogy made no sense.
 Ok Ok
#15 posted by daftpunk [62.252.64.4] on 2003/02/13 15:14:40
sorry sorry. dont have to be so harsh.
what i meant is that a lot of guys seem to hang on to wc for q1 and maybe don't consider gtk which is very much better (in my opinion). forget what i said about famous...
 Daftpunk
#16 posted by nane [24.92.226.221] on 2003/02/23 15:11:41
"ok, cant shag catherine zeta jones. i'll have cathy zed smith. she's just as fine, just not as famous."
http://daftpunk.youaremyfriend.com
WC will have and does have support. Just not for Quake. Valve OWNS it. Remember?
Quake is on its last leg. Sure, the purists will live on as long as they fancy. But staying behind is deterimental to design (if you want to improve past primitives). There's so much more possible now. So, doodle with Quake for as long as you like, but also look into new stuff that, while probably not the same, can suit your tastes. And be open to the possibility of letting those tastes change and adjust (or refine, if you prefer to use that term).
 Clap Clap Clap
#17 posted by daftpunk [147.197.200.13] on 2003/02/24 13:37:16
woo hoo. how the hell did you do that?? wish i could do that stuff...
valve own it yeah. but i'm still wondering and asking people what valve are doing atm. they remind me of 3drealms. these guys are like Marty looking at his photo in Back to the future and seeing himself fade...
i mean, are valve working on something or just pretending.
blah. i should just rant less...
 Nane:
#18 posted by Wazat [144.38.206.29] on 2003/02/24 15:07:12
* Wazat falls back with a fatal blow to the heart
;)
I'd get into the new engines, but so few interest me. Maybe doom3 will have good coding oportunity. Maybe flying pigs will become my magical servants too. >:p
I've just watched all these new communities spring up rapidly and then crumble because their foundation is built off a pretty engine rather than a real game.
Ok, now that I've thoroughly condemned myself to months of flogging, I'll retire with the comfort that only half the people here know where I live. :)
BTW, I would have modded for UT if I hadn't been too lazy. It is a nice game, IMHO.
 WC 1.6a
#19 posted by Gib [80.1.16.213] on 2003/03/04 08:40:16
Where can I download it? It's @ The Forge
 Not @
#20 posted by Gib [80.1.16.213] on 2003/03/04 08:40:35
...
 Http://www.planetquake.com/tread/
#21 posted by . [172.167.156.50] on 2003/03/04 09:09:34
just in case that didnt link:
http://www.planetquake.com/tread/
i tried it once, similiar to worldcraft..
i think the download isn't working or is slow? i cant remember - tried weeks ago - but i got WC 1.6 full right now anyway (woot)
 WC 1.6a
#22 posted by Jaj [62.83.173.82] on 2003/03/04 18:20:27
 Worldcraft 1.6 Full Version
#23 posted by Abyss [203.51.221.205] on 2003/03/05 05:31:15
 Hrmm
#24 posted by . [172.165.112.244] on 2003/03/05 05:59:24
is there still even a Quake 1 WC version for sale? If not I think gettin a 'free' copy is justifiable... IMO
 No, I Don't Think So
#25 posted by Abyss [203.51.221.205] on 2003/03/05 06:43:12
But I beleive that the Valve Hammer Editor, (which is basically the latest version of Worldcraft), is available free of charge.
Not to say that makes it right,........ but if you need something to make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, thats as good an excuse as any. ;)
 Bah
#26 posted by daftpunk [147.197.236.119] on 2003/03/07 08:48:19
just give the guys 5 quid and they'll be happy!
its like music cds. i dont care about a copied chart cd. i care more maybe with a cd of lets say...sting. or whatever...
flame me but that's my opinion. if i use something a lot, i buy it
 Worldcraft 1.6a And Tread 3d
#27 posted by Gib [80.1.18.255] on 2003/03/12 16:04:52
I found out why I can't seem to use textures in theses programs, it's because I dont have any pak files in my quake folder, how else can I get the tex to work?
 Gib: Get QPed
#28 posted by . [172.149.33.125] on 2003/03/12 21:56:17
http://www.planetquake.com/qped
and the dir structure is as follows:
quake/id1/pak0.pak
ROOT
-gfx (all .lmp)
-maps (all .bsp & .ent)
-progs (all .mdl & .spr)
+sound (all .wav in relative folders)
-ambience
-blob
-boss1
-boss2
-buttons
-demon
-dog
-doors
-enforcer
-fish
-hknight
-items
-knight
-misc
-ogre
-plats
-player
-shalrath
-shambler
-soldier
-weapons
-wizard
-zombie
its a good chance these folders are already in your /id1 dir and the .wavs are where they should be so just create in the pak as necessary, import... hopefully this wasn't all in vain and you needed to know all this? lol
 .pak Files
#29 posted by Abyss [203.51.197.82] on 2003/03/13 03:03:16
You surely do have .pak files in your Quake folder. With WC1.6 you just extract the textures from the pak file, or just put a texture wad file in your WC folder and then add the wad through the menu thingy
 Thanx
#30 posted by Gib [80.1.3.250] on 2003/03/13 08:04:09
it wasn't all in vain, I didn't know that.
 It Worked.
#31 posted by Gib [80.1.3.250] on 2003/03/13 08:41:19
And make tex also worked for worldcraft but I still can't seem to get the tex from the pak file for tread 3d 2.4. I tried adding speeds custom tex and they worked fine in a wad.
#32 posted by Vowo [88.224.118.201] on 2007/09/01 16:01:00
#33 posted by Deadx64 [74.216.12.192] on 2011/06/11 00:05:33
well do you have any clip textures on entitys on your map?
 WAAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!
#34 posted by RickyT33 [94.13.59.170] on 2011/06/11 02:23:22
Well done for commenting on and eight-year-old post!!!!
Gib? You remember asking this question?
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