oh come one, this is an elitist mapping forum, surely you're not surprised that topics other mapping also elicit elicit behaviour :) 

you know what I was trying to say. 

#146 - roflmao.

#148 - yes please. 

Oh, sometimes it feels as if your point was that Matrix is sanctity uncriticizable. But it's probably not that. Also I don't think you can really mean that people who criticize a certain movie are always just pretentious, that there can be nothing to criticize.

You missed my point (I see the analogies can easily be taken that way). I'm not saying "easy" movies should not be done.

Just that it's a shame that Matrix had so much more potential than the average film that was then wasted.

There have been movies that have changed a lot. Think about Star Wars. It went for some consistent vision. They probably did a million "stupid things" in the movie in my view but the overall vast gritty extremely immersive, detailed, innovative and fascinating sci-fi world idea was done full on, not half heartedly. No expense was spared there. They respected the audience in that regard and expected them to go along. It's a tour de force of scifi world imagination.

Matrix could perhaps have had many of those same things with the plot mechanics of the whole reality, illusion/disillusionment, power and control. It started out that way but it was ultimately not pursued. 

actually I don't think Star Wars was all that great. The story is good, but the background universe makes absolutely no sense.

Willem - I dunno what your exact outlook is, and I'm not sure if any of your comments are aimed at me, since I think I disclaimed such an outlook by saying I've enjoyed some patently dumb (but self-aware) slasher flicks and that my attitude is "make a smart movie smart and a dumb movie dumb" - but you seem to think it's not legitimate to enjoy better art more than worse art, or even to argue that there is such a division. Well, I'm finding more and more that my enjoyment of films is based on whether they leave me much to think about afterward. This is why I think The Dark Knight is going to be good, because like Batman Begins it has a strong underlying theme (in this case anarchy) but it also looks to have spectacular action sequences. Compare that to something like The Fantastic Four, which is probably similar in budget and quality of special effects/stunts, and you can tell there is a qualitative difference. The latter is empty and brainless, and I could barely sit through it once, as opposed to TDK which I will very likely buy and watch multiple times. 

Were we not talking about depression, medics and stupidity of human being at the beginning of this thread: wtf movies are related to Modern society diseases... maybeit reflects how looks our society, though.... 

Star Wars? Fucking Star Wars!? A "tour de force" of sci-fi?

We're done here. 

back to what makes our society so shit. 

I do enjoy an occasional re-watch of Joe Dirt. Dose that qualify me as a card-carrying member of the modern disease society too?

...and is so, WHOA! 

Don't knock Star Wars. It may not be the best film evah, but it's not bad as samurai movies go. 

The problem of modern society can be summed up by reading (yes reading, not watching (they changed the 'I want to have your abortion' line and ruined the ending in the film) Fight Club. Not the plot arc, but the social philosphy behind it (see the 'snow flake' speech in it for a summary).

It's true, as is the already mentioned 'humanity is a virus' bit from The Matrix.

(and yes, I'm aware I'm using pop culture references to make my point since I'm in a rush, but given that culture arises from and depicts society I feel it's valid when discussing the issues of social interaction within the modern 'developed' world) 

i preemptively snarked that point over 100 posts ago :) 

you really gotta read more carefully. 

"you really gotta read more carefully."

You can say that but it's a cop out. Present a counter argument - don't just tell me I'm wrong. And do it in the film thread so I can ignore it. 

you didn't provide any counter-arguments to my post at all, just a short misinterpretation and dismissal of one small point. 

Ahh, well played then. I guess we can stop talking about this now. 

 

Damn j00 metl! That and the general 1 liner spam on func_

You read Survivor btw? I find it a nice take on how the media has caused the whiny emo culture reviled in Fight Club 

Survivor is probably my second favorite (after fight club) among his books that i've read. I liked choke too. 

I whine, because my life means little, I accomplish little, nothing is wrong yet it is empty and meaningless. I am aware that whining makes me a dick; being a narcicist is the closest to meaning I have. 

... and stop whining.. :P

Who's next ? 

168 you rule, you should have just added that you're spoiled but also a misunderstood genius 

i bet you have that funny hairstyle that is sort of floppy and covers one eye and makes you look a bit like hitler 

how people can go around with that hairstyle. It would bother me a lot not being able to see. 

the one guy I use to know who looked like that beat another guy to death with a parrot cage.