I Now...
Everyone will whinge about changing stuff.
But it's not an export is it. I opened a jpeg. Why can't i save it.
#158 posted by Lunaran on 2015/11/20 08:15:32
OSS is one big chronic case of "powerful free functionality wrapped in the worst interface possible"
Post Your Favourite Bad GUI Toolkits
#159 posted by czg on 2015/11/20 09:22:30
GTK
Java AWT
Java SWT also sucks but at least you could choose a native look and feel.
Windows XP Fischer-Price actually works fine but christ it's ugly.
I Just Image Googled "Java" And I Want To Puke.
#160 posted by czg on 2015/11/20 09:26:26
Cocoa Is The Rare Exception
Tcl/Tk
#162 posted by ericw on 2015/11/20 09:58:05
Lunaran
I'm offended AND triggered at the same time by that statement! How dare you!
Motif!
#164 posted by mwh on 2015/11/20 10:59:28
CDK? The sunos thing, never used that though. Does ActiveX count? That was pretty strong drugs on the programming end.
Motif! Brings tear to my eye. I used the motif themed FVWM and even TWM for ages.
MS have shit GUIs too, but at least they work. Win98se was their best imho. KDE and Gnome 1 were kindof special for me. I just nixed my redhat 7 image this month. Gnome at least have kept a nice ascetic, but it's horribly under powered for me.
#166 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/11/20 11:40:21
"But it's not an export is it. I opened a jpeg. Why can't i save it."
I agree. At the end of the day, it should less about what is "correct" and more about enhancing the user experience. Open a JPG, save a JPG ... seems obvious.
#167 posted by Spirit on 2015/11/20 11:49:54
Let's also talk about how shit windows update is! My work computer has been unable to apply about 10 updates for months. I can not find why or what those updates even are. I can search for some numeric error codes and then I get told to 'try again' or use some 'update preparation tool' which does something but does not solve a thing.
Updating a year old archlinux takes less time and just works. Fucking hell.
#168 posted by Kinn on 2015/11/20 11:56:53
If Linux is so good why isn't everyone using it then. Booyah! Game, set and match bisnitches!
#169 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/11/20 12:09:50
"Updating a year old archlinux takes less time and just works."
Well, sure, there's nothing installed but the OS and Gimp...
Tuxracer
#170 posted by czg on 2015/11/20 12:53:16
#171 posted by mh on 2015/11/20 13:33:59
Let's also talk about how shit windows update is!
No. What you don't have is "how shit windows update is". What you have is one specific example of one specific PC used by one specific person, and you're generalizing that as some kind of universal rule.
#172 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/11/20 14:40:38
Eh, to be fair, he has a point .. you basically have to pray that Windows Update "just works" because when it doesn't you have zero chance of fixing it.
Mh
#173 posted by Spirit on 2015/11/20 15:11:46
Ok, how do I debug this specific problem then?
Sleepy
#174 posted by Lunaran on 2015/11/20 19:53:05
no grid view? who designed this thing anyway?
Spirit
#175 posted by necros on 2015/11/20 22:44:25
To totally disable windows 10 in update, there are several kb patches that need to be disabled. Don't forget to hide them when you uninstall them so you don't get bothered again.
#176 posted by Rick on 2015/11/20 23:39:03
Easy rule for Windows 7, never install updates except those listed as "security", though they have lied about that at least once trying to get that piece of shit Windows 10 spyware installed.
I have 67 uninstalled Windows 7 updates on one computer.
I Installed Windows 10 And It's Fine.
#177 posted by czg on 2015/11/21 01:06:41
Except for when it BSOD'd at boot and was unrecoverable and I had to reinstall from scratch.
#178 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/11/21 09:24:16
I'd love to try Windows 10 but with my business being as hectic as it is, I can't afford to have a single app stop working. I just can't risk it...
Gimp Is An Above Average Linux Application
#179 posted by Baker on 2015/11/21 11:07:52
The Microsoft Paint that came with Windows 3.1 is a lot easier to use than Gimp.
Linux desktop software is hopeless. There are no decent development tools for Linux and there isn't even a "desktop" API. I mean, we are talking "no file open dialog" barren wasteland.
Linux can do non-gui things just fine.
No one ever gave proper attention to a decent Windows manager, so even 1980s DOS GUI applications have more sophistication than what is available on Linux.
Likely the reason is that you would have 2 types of college age kids:
1) The kind that won't touch trying to make something from sticks and stones and instead will make something for Windows or a mobile platform.
2) The hardcore "C programmer" that uses terminal apps, that will make something against the grain but gets withered by the overhead of building with "sticks and stones".
Short version: Why is there, for example, SDL or GTK or Qt or WxWidgets? Each one is an attempt to pave over this deficiency. Arguably SDL's expanded horizons give it unusually wide appeal, while the others are attempts of "wrong-way" ports of Linux ideas to a platform that isn't in need of those solutions.
/One perspective. Probably wrong ...
@Spirit
#180 posted by mh on 2015/11/21 13:04:04
Most likely the Windows update cache is gone corrupt and just needs to be reset. It's rare but it happens.
net stop wuauserv
cd \
cd %Windir%
cd SoftwareDistribution
del /f /s /q Download
net start wuauserv
#181 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/11/21 13:24:16
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