Would you be so kind as to elaborate on your "bible rape" theory, and, if possible, discuss the underlying implications as well as the practicability of the concept?
Can you cite any sources?
I'm highly sceptical.
Well I Think What You Do
Is you take the worthless piece of propaganda and you take it and then you go to the pub, and then you drink lots of the 'Lords finest, then you urinate on the bible.... oh, no wait, sorry - that's how you piss on a bible.
Let me start again - you take a bible, and a sharp pair of scissors, and a penis, and then....
Bees. Bees happens.
.. repent drunk sinners, repent !! Or this thread will throw you to Hell... muhahahahhahahahha....
So, let's have a beer to celebrate this, and post in the Drunk Thread... Alleluiah !!
Can I use lube?
( > ' : ' ) >
The Paper Cuts Are Gonna Be Killer....
I'll Leave This Here Then
in the drunk thread I'm sure.
hehe that guy was really drunk!
I just love the title of this thread, it rules (it could almost be a new or at least alternate title to the whole forum!) but I suspect that this thread will open itself to snide sarcasm and even drunken simulations of the same lol.
I'll Throw This Into The Highbrow Thread ...
Does "normal" behavior ever lead to acts of creativity?
My current opinion: I don't believe it does.
If you look at history, most of the acts of creativity rely on some sort of mania, illogic or alcohol/drug use.
Mine came from OCD/dissociation. Learning to channel it is not easy.
Not sure what you mean by normal. If you mean "uncreative" behavior, then I would agree with you. Otherwise, I find it hard to classify anything as normal behavior, from an evolutionary stand point.
Someone with your level of talent and sophistication sure knows what "normal" isn't. Go with what you know; I bet it that is within itself is worth several "books-worth" of philosophy.
From Kanazawa's Wikipedia Page...
Commenting on the War on Terror, Kanazawa claimed that "there is one resource that our enemies have in abundance but we don�t: hate. Hatred of enemies has always been a proximate emotional motive for war throughout human evolutionary history." He then offers the following thought experiment: "Imagine that, on September 11, 2001, when the Twin Towers came down, the President of the United States was not George W. Bush, but Ann Coulter. What would have happened then? On September 12, President Coulter would have ordered the US military forces to drop 35 nuclear bombs throughout the Middle East, killing all of our actual and potential enemy combatants, and their wives and children. On September 13, the war would have been over and won, without a single American life lost. Yes, we need a woman in the White House, but not the one who�s running (Hillary Clinton, ed.)".
Ann Coulter as President?????? Crackpot.
P.Z. Myers, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Minnesota, has called Kanazawa "the great idiot of social science."
I like P.Z. Myers. I think he makes sense.
that quote is ridiculous, true - out-crazying your enemies is not the freaking solution - but the idea of evolutionary novelty expressed in that article seems to make sense.
I think P Z Myers is alright, though I also think that one of the more useful aspects of the 'New Atheism' is challenging traditional liberal notions that ideals alone will solve problems.
Might Be Some Interesting Stuff In The Original Research
But ugh, just reading that in isolation it just reeks of crappy science reporting with too many unsupported statements and loose definitions for it to really mean anything.
As to the original question I guess maybe the answer is already in it, simply that acts of creativity doesn't count as normal behaviour :)
I'd say it's about being able to think "outside the box" freeing yourself from established thought frameworks and wider than usual associativity. Mania and drug abuse really isn't needed but it might help some people break out of their squareness.
Should Zwiffle's statement be true, should be shot. So you kill say 50 Million people in retalliation to loosing 5000. Well I say that kill 1 crazy genocidal bitch in order to save 50 million.
Genocide, Nuclear Weapons = NOT OK!!!!
I'd say it's about being able to think "outside the box" freeing yourself from established thought frameworks
Established thought frameworks = communal norms? ie If you grew up in a Jewish community and became an atheist then that would be unnormal and lead to creativity? I'm not sure what you mean, bear.
Mutation Of Thoughts And Culture
No, but maybe it would be an act of creativity to think outside the Jewish beliefs and traditions.
Just that way too often one set of ideas as soon they've become established, made into textbooks and into the heads of too many people they become dominant and that's when you need acts of creativity/drugs/mania to allow yourself to think about it differently.
Alright, Try #2
anyone seen that TED talk about synesthesia where the guy (forget his name) proposes that creativity is largely about different senses overlapping in the brain? He had stats showing that creative people have much more synesthesia than the population at large, so it's at least related.
I don't think that creativity is necessarily related to critical thinking. You can have a powerful imagination and believe in conspiracy theories and new agey stuff, in fact a right brain approach seems to be necessary for that.
I don't remember that talk.
Commenting on the War on Terror, Kanazawa claimed that "there is one resource that our enemies have in abundance but we don�t: hate. Hatred of enemies has always been a proximate emotional motive for war throughout human evolutionary history."
I think the time and effort in Afghanistan is a near complete waste and am semi-skeptical of current scale of what is going on in Iraq.
With that out of the way, I wonder what the dark and dirty secrets are among the heads of state of various nation as to what the goals and methods are.
One does wonder, at times, if the goal isn't to bureaucracy the "enemy" --- the enemy being "hate" --- into submission.
Not a clear cut definitive submission, but a gradual one that numbs the senses and is boring to talk about. Done with a politically correct veneer to keep it impersonal.
From personal experience, the most violent people have the least ability to conform and maintain self-control and conduct themselves with discipline ... so even things like TSA patdowns in the USA which on the surface do not appear to target "hate" are in fact doing so with the distraction of appearing to do the opposite.
I guess I'm saying that although I don't really approve of some of the things that USA does but to some extent Europe and other civilized nations are in part involved in the game plan and whatever that game plan is must have a sales pitch (and it would not be the one you hear on the news).
Kanazawa Strikes Again
Moved Over From Mapping Help
Using bubblegum-pop teeny-bopper 12yo slang is annoying. Lulz xoxo.
But hitting typos and minor spelling mistakes, and not putting the odd apostrophe (what a cool word apostrpohy is, lulz) and Um-Lout (uhm-lout? Oomlautzez?) for example - well, who cares! Im a mapper, not an English teacher!
The Website is called func_ MSGBoard, right? Well that's not how you spell Messageboard!
i vote most misleading thread title ever
Seems pretty clear to me.
Weird that the scat porn links and BEES discussion have been omitted though.
This thread deserves its own icon. Something like a distinguished top hat.
Agree on the hat icon. Or maybe a smoking jacket.
I Put On My Robe And Wizard Hat....
sorry for letting you down before, I totally forgot about this - and me coming across this link was due to searching for it for another purpose - but here's what I was talking about, the TED talk by V S Ramachandra.
Interesting stuff I think, and quite highbrow too to fit this thread.
That's really interesting. I used to think it was nonsensical to "taste a color" or something similar, but I guess that talk proves me wrong.
Although I consider myself a creative person, I also consider myself scientific. Dunno how they're related, but it always seemed to me that scientific people, at least successful ones, were pretty creative.
The only time I've had a sensory cross over was when I tried some horse radish sauce, and it tasted how paint smells. I did not like how it tasted. =/
Glad You Liked It, I Thought It Was Super Interesting
although I disagree about science and creativity. creative types are the smartest fuckers who'll ever deny science. seriously, lots of dumb people will deny science, but even though I hate them and want the general IQ of the human race to go up in the future, I can't blame them for being what they are, since they generally can't help it (if they can help it I hate them more). People capable of recording albums, writing novels, writing philosophy books, doing art, those people are too smart to have any excuse to be the anti-science whiners they often are.
I'm a slight synesthete. Numbers and words have colours for me. I first realized this when I read someone saying that the word excellent was blue, and I was like fuck no that's a yellow word. heh.
Yeah - I Have Colours For Music
Em = Black, G = green, Am = Yellow, C = Red
Bm = Orange/Brown, Ab = Yellowy-orange, Dm = Purple/Grey
Weird, it's just the way my brain remembers them!
Em and G being black and green respectively is a prime example. If you play a Gmajor scale or chord it sounds quite fresh and happy, but them if you slam it's relative minor (Em) it sounds very very dark indeed.
That's about the most eloquent and thought-provoking thing you've ever said, scampie.
Zany Personality Test
Thoughtful to the extreme, you are often obsessed with perfection and the rules governing your own personal interests. Your world is black and white. You love to work within a logical system, such as language, computer programming, or mathematics. Manipulating a system that can be completely understood is a distinct pleasure to you, because of your confidence in the underlying veracity of your belief system. Because of your appreciation for logic and order, those who speak or think in a sloppy manner are apt to generate more than their share of wrath. Although very amiable, you are not drawn to friendships out of a sense of personal need. You are just as happy by yourself with a good book or puzzle. Because you are so involved with thought, you will on occasion have difficulty dealing with the day-to-day problems of a normal life. Taking out the trash, doing the dishes, these are often left until the last possible moment, if at all.
Feels very very very very close to my personality. -_-
You have a poetic sensibility and an ability to see beyond the day to day. You often seem to be living in a higher realm, or to be not-of-this-earth. Occasionally you imagine interior lives for friends and associates that are near-complete fabrications based on your fears or hopes for the future. You are often not aware of your own feelings. You have a strong sense of right and wrong, and because of this are often disappointed. Despite what can sometimes be a destructive inward-turning anger, you are very gentle. You are sometimes a bit out of touch with the ebb and flow of modern life. If your behavior is out of synch with your moral values, a severe psychic disturbance can result. Because connectivity is so important to you, you can become quiet and sulky if you feel that others around do not understand your point of view.
Hmmmmmm. No comment.
Quiet and very self-assured, you tend to keep your own council. Pragmatic and practical to a fault, you are not one to worry about the finer points of philosophical discourse. In fact, because you are very much an individualist, you often finds yourself at odds with the established truth or the wishes of the majority. You will often earn the wrath of an employer by taking upon yourself decisions which are rightly those of your manager. You are not one to take credit unless it is deserved. Similarly however, you will also not happily give credit where it is not due. In a romantic relationship you can be very frustrating. While you do care deeply and sincerely, and are willing to work at a relationship, your confidence in your own abilities can on occasion make it difficult to see the world from a partner�s point of view. Quiet and stoic at times, you can drive a more emotional individual completely up the wall. You can become overstressed and fatigued without knowing it. Taking time to rest between bouts of hard work can help to prevent a breakdown later on.
Could not complete the test. Questions didn't seem to make sense.
Where Is The Sin
I mean sorry, I don't even believe in sin or have any good idea of it. How am I supposed to answer this one at all?
Awesome test. Got the same result as Zwiff. Which disturbs me because it means it may be somewhat accurate...
gb you pick A or B. It didn't deviate from the formula at all really.
Triangles Can't Sin!
This test might be one big non sequitor.
(if anyone is familiar with this)
I found the result of that test accurate in some ways but mostly not... I also suspect that, horoscope-style, it would be possible to design a series of results general enough to apply to anyone and distribute them on a random basis.
That's Almost The Opposite Of How I Feel
You are in a perpetual quest to find the new, the exciting. Emotionally volatile, you are known for sudden changes of opinion, of appreciation, and behavior. Following rules and established methods is difficult for you and the difficulties of higher education are usually quite daunting. Knowledge is best gained through an intimate association with the matter at hand. Usually driven by attitudes and desires of the group, you are talented in an established field of endeavor. Emotions come and go without a strong understanding of their causes. They are unexpected guests in an otherwise placid landscape. You live by your own codes of conduct, which can be noble or terrible depending on the individual. Authority is meaningless to you. You hate to be predictable, at all costs. Rarely verbally effusive, you can at times feel as if your feelings are too deep for words. You are very observant, but rarely express these observations to others.
Same As Zwiff Too
although my world definitely isn't black and white. unsure about the logic systems part too..
I was perturbed by the black and white part as well - I see the world generally as gray as far as morality is concerned. But from a logical perspective, gray can be broken down to it's base white/black parts and ultimately assigned a value based off those parts.
Yeah, I'm always skeptical about these kinds of tests, but I thought it was pretty fun to take nonetheless. The one personality test that really nailed it though was the ... MyersBriggs personality test? I think I was INTP or something like that? Can't remember now, but there was like 16 personality types.
Myers Briggs, or whatever it's called, does seem to have a little more of a reputation for being good.
You reach out to the world and pull in experiences of all forms and kinds. Spontaneous, immediate and active, you have a natural tendency to win, whether this is in the business world or on the freeway. In the right context this can be a positive encouragement to those around you. In the wrong context it can lead to a pathetic display of ego and misplaced pride. You are always on the prowl for clues as to how to win. Usually this behavior is unconscious or playful but the sense of play can rapidly disappear if you are found to be losing in the aforementioned contest. Only those who don�t compete are met with derision. You love to be the center of attention. The moment at hand is always of prime concern. Worries about the future or the past, or abstract discussions of philosophical matters are something for others to concern themselves with. Emotions are fleeting and often used as tactics.
I Bet Most Of Us Are INTP
With slight variations. Or are we?
You just made that up, mate. In reality it said:
You reach out to the world and pull in experiences of all forms and kinds. Spontaneous, immediate and active, you have a natural tendency to make friends, whether this is in the business world or on the freeway. In the right context this can be a positive encouragement to those around you. You are always on the prowl for clues as to how to become a better person. Usually this behavior is unconscious or playful but the sense of play can rapidly disappear if you find you have to defend the ones you love. Those who compete are met with derision. You are better than that. The problem at hand is always of prime concern. Worries about the future or the past, or abstract discussions of philosophical matters are something reserved for three-cask talks with old friends via email. Emotions are fleeting but always deep and true.
Though quiet on the outside, you are often the hidden hero; someone who rushes in when needed and then after the emergency is over fades back into the woodwork. Because of this sense of duty and honor, you can also on occasion be rigid in your viewpoint and unyielding in the face of other ways of thinking. Usually cynical and rarely trusting of others, you maintain a small set of intimate friends. These bonds are stronger than most. You are always grounded in the present moment. Your close bonds can also lead to clique-ishness and a tendency to gossip about those who are deemed less worthy. You are an integrative thinker, collecting data from a wide range of sources and applying it to your worldview. You can become overly task-oriented. In stressful situations you often withdraw from the world to seek peace in contemplation. You often seem cold and withdrawn. Often you will withdraw rather than verbalize your discontent.
I Bet Most Of Us Are INTP
Not me, Myers Briggs puts me as ENFJ.
I do think a lot of the questions in MB are redundant... and the other test is sometimes plain weird, I was sometimes really unsure if I wanted to click A or B.
Handy in the real world manipulation of objects and events, you are easily enthused by practical projects. You often ignore or conveniently forget rules and boundaries that limit your freedom. This need for freedom extends even to the personal sphere and though you are kind and gentle, you will often be hard to pin down to a monogamous lifestyle. Because you tend to verbalize so seldom, you can be seen as phlegmatic or impassive. In moments of high tension you can often surprise those around you with a lighthearted or humorous remark. Because of your facility with the physical world, you are often engaged in sports that require dexterity, such as motorcycling or hang gliding. You will rarely have time for flights of fancy or unproductive discussion. Constraints on your freedom will be regarded as a personal attack.
Interestingly, it's more wrong than right.
ran through this twice. once about around the OP and then today.
answered differently from what i can recall but didn't consciously try to choose different answers.
Often concerned with right and wrong, and punctilious in expressing it, you are best represented by the Customs Agent or the IRS inspector. Initially seen by others as cold or uncaring, you are difficult for those more spontaneous members of society to understand. You are extremely stable, responsible and dependable. You manifest an amazing ability to concentrate on the issue at hand, and are difficult to distract from issues that are important. You manifest a great sense of loyalty to your employers and your government. You tend to show love through a display of committed works, believing that actions speak louder than words. You are also resistant to change and tend to believe that the old ways are best. If a behavior has been successful in the past, why would anyone want to change? You work best in a controlled environment.
Verbally and mentally fluid, you are refreshing and illuminating to those around you. This is occasionally somewhat discounted by the obvious pleasure that you take in exercising your mental acuity. Although generally peaceful you can often take a verbally aggressive tact in relations with the world, which can often be misunderstood by those around you. Innovative in the extreme, you can often think yourself right out of the correct answer to a given problem. Many times you are referred to as your own worst enemy. You tire very quickly of routine and so make poor clerks or administrative help. You also have no respect for authority and little patience for those you regard as inferior, most especially those in charge. Experimentation is your watchword and can occasionally lead to experience for its own sake and shallow decadence. Your thought can sometimes be scattered and disconnected.
both are fairly right (more than wrong). what ever sentences are in the program, they're obviously written in such a way as to be vague enough to apply to almost anyone. it's probably just rare cases like pjw where it's just completely wrong, and no amount of squeezing will get the round peg in the square hole.
It Wasn't Completely Wrong
Just mostly. This was the only part that was (sort of) correct:
In moments of high tension you can often surprise those around you with a lighthearted or humorous remark. Because of your facility with the physical world, you are often engaged in sports that require dexterity, such as motorcycling or hang gliding.
But my projects aren't usually overly practical, freedom isn't some sort of huge focus, I talk plenty (about unproductive bullshit regularly) and I certainly don't fuck around.