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2 RMQ Speedmaps
With a cutdown version of the mod.

Download: http://rickyt23.com/files/RMQSpeedmapDemo2011.zip
Screen: http://dc386.4shared.com/img/BXZsJr4o/s7/0.21513965227879117/riftugly.jpg

Ugly features a couple of the new base enemies and Rift changes each time you play. If anyone wants the source material then send an email. Note that this is not demo3 - just something we did for the fun of it.
Warning, 170mb! 
Linux engine please or can I use the old one I got (January 2011)? 
 
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/RMQD-Spirit.7z

seems to have worked with the old engine. i enjoyed the maps surprisingly much. three times the time and you would have 2 great "real" maps. ijed's was much too dark though, had to use gamma 0.8. no other criticism because 
Bump! 
Thanks for the demos Spirit, it warmed my heart to think that you had played these, and even more so because you enjoyed them. Gosh-darn if I could only watch the demos, but the Linux version of the engine which you have used seems to record demos which wont work on my newer windows version. Bummer! Never mind. 
170 MB For Two Speedmaps Is Unacceptable 
But still thanks for releaseing them and a barebone rmq pack. As for the screenshot, fire does NOT emit red light! 
 
negke what is 170 mb in these days? :)

will play this soon... only two left to play (this and unforgiven), hope today play then! 
 
Looks like demo compatibility was broken along the way, nothing unusual in a dev engine.

Ricky; try the Windows engine from Demo 2 to play Spirit's demo. 
New Upload!: 
http://rickyt23.com/files/RMQSpeedmapsExpo2011_MapsOnly.zip

OK, above is a link to a version which includes only the .bsp and .lit files, so if you have RMQ SP Demo #2 on your computer still then you can run these maps (with the older progs) by extracting to RemakeQuake/maps and typing map ugly or map rift into the console. 
Negke 
That's orange, duh.

Because they're magical torches, obviously. 
Engine Bug: 
zoom in, then turn your view slightly, then zoom out -- result: frustum culling as if you were still zoomed in. Apparently frustum culling is done only when the view moves or rotates, but not when the FOV changes. 
 
Maps look fun, but don't know why still don't like much RMQ sorry guys :( that shambler teleport in rickyt23 map...arghhhhh not fun at all... :(

Doesn't feel quake for me :( and sounds from Q2 :\ are weard(the grenade sound)

Hope the maps of the pack look more like Quake :\

Ijed silver key... nightmare... so many monsters bewind a wall :\ 
Dawn English 
"behind a wall" 
Dimensional Shamblers 
They teleport around you. Not all shamblers are dimensional shamblers, they are supposed to be a boss.

Trinca - Did you find the quad? (clue near the GKDoor) Also you can add -sndspeed 44100 to your commandline and it will make the sounds clearer, and different again.

Metl - the engine i included in the zip is a WIP one. :S No idea what furstrum culling is, but im sure it will be duly noted/addressed :D thx 
 
50 Shells limit...what?

Also both maps tediously short on ammo generally :E

Nail ogres/Crossbow knights. Projectiles seriously need to glow or have some kind of light like Grenades do, they're practically invisible. 
 
As a random other comment btw, I hope you aren't going too far with the random spawns thing. Might be fun for a few maze type maps but not generally :E 
 
> Nail ogres/Crossbow knights. Projectiles seriously need to glow or have some kind of light like Grenades do, they're practically invisible.

Good idea! 
Yeah 
Its under discussion. 
Rambling 
With regards to the maps - these are great!both of these reminded me what I like about your mapping - RT23's well rounded and 'complete' feeling base wasn't ugly at all, really, and Ijed's map was overflowing with dark malevolence as always. I agree that ammo balance was off somewhat... but these *are* speedmaps, and I didn't find any secrets.

With regards to RMQ - I don't know if I like the kickback with the DSG but that might just be me getting used to that. fully agree about the crossbow knight projectiles. enjoyed the new grunts, mounted turrets always get my vote... re the shamblers - all of them have the multidirectional lightning attack, or just 'dimensional' ones? It's definitely intimidating and makes for more intense gameplay, but I can imagine things getting just ridiculous on nightmare with that, especially if there is more than one. the infighting aspect though could be quite interesting. 
Lightning 
Yeah, all of them have that. The difference in how it works though is really just range - it's not really multidirectional, but is able to hit from greater distances as it snakes across the ground.

The timing also changes - its no longer like an on/off hitscan type.

The ammo ratio takes some adjustment since the RMQ SG is perfectly suited to taking down even shamblers, but the average Q1 player has learned over time that the id1 SG is a joke.

A number of mods have been coming out that add a third tier shotgun, with the DBS becoming the new tier 1 and the SG a kind of wanky Q2 pistol... that drains ammo.

Still need to come up with a decent solution for this, although you'll notice that the ammo boxes only get removed when fully depleted, which helps.

We went for the 'upgrade the originals' tactic, which fits with what we're doing with everything else. 
 
If you want to keep the 50 ammo base limit you should added a backpack item or something that increases the limit, cause over large maps with a large number of enemies it'll get infuriating. Twenty five shots ain't many if you're fighting a lot or there is a real gap between refills. Shotgun should still sit as a workhorse weapon and a workhorse should be well supplied, since it's what you fall back on. 
Yeah 
We've been discussing a backpack, although different episodes will have different weapon loadouts.

But, saying again - 25 shots with the DBS or 50 with the SG.

Our SG doesn't suck! 
Also 
Mental note - my monitor is badly configured, fix it. 
 
RMQ's shotgun is roughly equivalent to the vanilla SSG.

50 shells = 50 dead grunts. Perfect workhorse.

It's no longer good for sniping though. You've got to consequently use the nailgun at a distance. 
 
assuming you land every hit and only fight grunts :)

It's the same limit as in Doom and it gets kinda irritating when maps get larger, and your shotguns are more balanced like that (which is a good thing) 
Watching Spirit's Demos In The SP Demo #2 Engine 
Worked! Thanks for those Spirit :) Louis your map is soooo cool, I actually like the darkness and the colours. It feels really evil :D 
 
Nice maps, guys. Finally got around to playing them.

Turrets = cool. 
Hm 
Maybe I shouldn't have given the DBS :)

And yeah, as Gb mentions, the NG is the sniper weapon, the SG your close range slugger.

It takes 3-4 hits from it to kill an Ogre, as opposed to the 8-9 of the id1 SG. That changes with range of course, since ours has spread and the RMQ ogre hitbox is the same size as the creature, as opposed to being the same size as a Shambler. Or Dog.

Need to fix those damn turrets though, they're kind of low on the list... 
 
<@Scrambler> hi
<@Scrambler> remakequake >>> spirit
<@Scrambler> hmmm
<@Scrambler> apart from the speedmap thing being broken...
<@Scrambler> hmmm
<@Scrambler> multitexture not supported: extension not found
<@Scrambler> wtf
<Spirit> haha
<Spirit> quake >>>>> Scampie
<Spirit> and Scrambler too
<@Scrambler> agreed, scampie sucks 
Played. 
New monster attacks and teleports are cool.

Coloured lighting is okay but over done.

Different weapon effectiveness is fine but needs new models.

New sounds are pointless and should be removed.

Ricky's map is nice.

Ijed's was too dark and hard.

Off-centre weapons are pointless and completely unrealistic as you'd never sight down a weapon at an angle, even if you were running and gunning it would be lined up more centrally. 
 
I liked Ricky's map. Ijed's was too hard and dark.

The weapons work very nice.

The resized ogre bounding box is ok but it needs getting used to. I kept missing with grenades.

I think the monsters are also good. The new attacks look nice. The wizard breathing sound is well chosen.

The ammo boxes aren't visible enough.

demos:
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/rmq_demos_ankh.zip 
Some More Comments On The Mod 
the game feels more explosive now which I like. The slowed down SSG rate doesn't feel right in this context. Why not leave it at standard rate?

the SNG sounds weaker than in standard quake - not good.

the grenade bouncing sound also isn't heavy enough - it sound like a thin glass bottle bouncing 
Hm 
This seems like much more positive commentary than previous times, so I'll take that as encouragement.

There's a lot of interesting points in the thread as a whole - we're discussing the more obvious ones internally. 
Error When Running. 
When I attempt to run RMQEngine-Win32.exe included with the download, it fails on this error:

multi-texture not supported (extension not found)

I'm running windows 7 64-bit ultimate. 
 
What's your video hardware? 
Video Hardware 
Two of these:
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-PCI-Express-Graphics-896-P3-1255-AR/dp/B001NXDQCW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311894016&sr=8-1

Running in SLI.

Thought it might be more informative if I linked the exact card. 
 
That looks to be more than good enough.

MH is the person you want to talk to, but he's busy in RL atm. Until he turns up, you could try it with an older version of the engine, like this one:

http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/tools/windows/engines/rmqengine_20110126.zip

Sorry I can't be of more help right now. 
 
That engine you linked- it works!

I will post again after I've played the speed-maps.

Thank you. :) 
 
The shipping process was a bit suboptimal I guess :-P 
Heh - My Bad 
Really.

I bundled that engine into the pack without even consulting mh. It's a total WIP/beta if u like. It's also a big filesize. AFAIK the finished, properly compiled engine will be quite a bit smaller. 
Re: The Maps 
Wow! I recorded myself playing Rift and Ugly on Normal, though I'm not sure where to upload the demos or if anyone is interested in watching them.

The different types of base-style dudes are cool, but they didn't require any varying strategies to defeat.

Variety ogres: awesome.
Teleporting Shambler: awesome. The ball-lightning is good, but there are so many arcs coming off of it that it is difficult to tell what direction it's going in, how far it flies, and most importantly, whether or not it is following me...

The turrets were strange. I'm not sure I like them. It would feel more appropriate to have standard laser shooters. 
 
You can upload demos at quaketastic.com. The pssarowd is ilovetheshubhub. Yes, we want to see them please :-) 
 
> The different types of base-style dudes are cool, but they didn't require any varying strategies to defeat.

True.

Tbh grunts are cannon fodder in RMQ. Just giving you something to shoot.

Enforcers can have different gear on them, but maybe there were no hunter killers on Normal... you would have noticed, because you'd have died (probably)

I plan to do a BFG enforcer sometime, and one with a shield that blocks projectiles, which will definitely require a different strategy. :-)

Thanks for feedback. 
And Yeah 
The turrets are very placeholder just yet. 
Demos 
So it is recorded, so it shall be played. Or something...:
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/RMQ-speed-raptore.rar
I recorded these on that separate engine which gb linked in post 35.

An enforcer with a shield would be very fun to fight.
I will try the other skill levels and see if I can encounter one of these hunter-killers, too... 
 
I dunno I think Shields and Teleporting are overdone as ways of making things different. Okay, so I have to wait for it's shield to drop/it to teleport back into view... great, it just slows things down and gets tedious. I don't really see where the extra strategy comes into that.

I think Necros is onto something more interesting in his attempts to improve path finding and such. What about human enemies that work more like a group? :/

PS the best new base monster ever is the Quoth rocketeer. Man those guys are fun :p 
 
not that kind of shield. 
Yep 
Temporary invincibility is kind of annoying.

Group tactics a la HL1 would be great. Thinking cap time. 
 
well, we have the monstergroup field already. Maybe another ai extension, like self.groupevent, which could be triggered by a group leader, or the first group member to spot the player acts as group leader.

Quite possible.

I've been thinking about certain AI related map entities for a while as well, like info_ai, info_cover, info_shore etc.

Somebody's just got to sit down and actually code the stuff. :-E

Then again, they shouldn't become too smart. 
Wehl 
Hyper intelligence isn't a game breaker - even if the Ogre can beat you at chess, you can still shoot him in the face.

In other words, if the 'intelligence' doesn't changes to their actual abilities - like x4 movement speed, reloading or double health, then all it will do is make the experience deeper, as opposed to more difficult. 
 
I actually quite liked the contrast of the marine enemies in Quake 4 against the standard dumb monsters. Was a cool bit of variety, and allowed combat styles to mix up a bit. I wouldn't want most of the game to be like that, after all it's a old style shooter.

I guess basically enemies that have some kind of survival instinct is the basic thing. They take cover, can get injured and try to run like HL marines (no high bar for you their at all) :p 
 
True, the orange Strogg marines with all their different gear and their little hiding tactics were my favourite enemies in Q4.

Not sure if they acted as groups. I remember them talking to each other during combat, though. 
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