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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nacZqO8Zd10
(AKA I want to have Sock's babies, well he does have a point.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT-f4Bz1If0 (AKA I've played this enough to actually get some of the secrets this time. Personally I disagree with some of this - I didn't find it too cramped, I thought the large variety of secrets was good and actually preferable to Sock's buttons, and the end room is fine, even the demo shows various escape routes and tactics) It's great comfort viewing, and seeing as I'm too lazy to open Quake nowadays, it's a good way to live vicariously through Darren Weekes.
The level design / mapping theory chat is brilliant I agree. I've definitely learned a fair bit, despite my best efforts. Keep this shit up dazzo, you're gonna be a star Termination Mental bt MFX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8JVu85yEwc
I think you're being a bit harsh about the layout on that one Daz. A lot of current maps have linear-ish layouts and a lot of them have structures you can't reach, to give the impression of being in a bigger area/building than you actually are....it's fairly normal?? And this map does compensate for it with a lot of varied secrets.
Good points about all the little niggles with buttons and stuff, also I like how you don't slag off the gameplay in this because I agree for the most part it's good fun. BTW it is possible to get SNG + Quad +3Nail in this, makes the ending excellent. The issue I had is that there are lots of areas in the map where the player *should* have been able to progress in a non-linear fashion but there were giant obvious clip brushes preventing this. I hate that! :)
For me the level would have been straight up better if these clip brushes had been replaced with solid walls or perhaps barred windows or something. It's psychological I guess :) with daz on the clip brush placement, having an invisible forcefield is always a bad move when it looks easily accessible. I tried for a good 5 minutes trying to jump through a few of those gaps (mostly to see if there were secret areas).
MFX should probably should have added glass or a textured wall there. Or a knee-high ledge without attaching a third-person animation!
Thanks for promoting Daz' videos, I neglected to watch them recently but really enjoyed watching some today. Agree with Shambler, but also am glad you put up your review. Hopefully it'll inspire him to test a bit more with the next one... where did mfx go, anyway?
A past and future secret by Matthias Worch and Negke - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR4O_VFfUUo
You've highlighted all the gameplay qualities well. I like you describing the Ogre corridor as very "classic Quake" - that sums up what I liked about this map, that a lot of the gameplay trickery and ambushes felt like how Quake felt for the first time - subtle little tricks and surprises that keep adding spice throughout the map.
I too really liked the silver key area. I know neggers was agonising over that to try to make it interesting but palatable to most players, and it worked well. You can just straight jump to the GL BTW. My memories of the original BB were a lot about the (as Shambler says) "subtle little tricks and surprises that keep adding spice", so it was nice that this release had the same spirit.
ogre cages really did me over - it's rare that the bounce of their projectiles is used horizontally.
By Shaun "[Kona]" Ross - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFTtEB4qC3s
I would have done a single video for all 3 maps but my internet has been dodgy as shit lately so smaller uploads = good atm. Part 2 coming as soon as I can figure out how to give myself the custom weapons used in this mod with console commands :P you can resume uploads to youtube, I think up to 24h. just upload the same file again and it will continue where you left. At least with chromium.
Doesn't seem to work so well with FF I guess. Had a whole bunch of dead uploads :P
Will have to try chrome again soon! I like the channel as well. The intro on Trenchbroom was what pulled me into the Q1 mapping scene again.
Carved In Flesh p2 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqmHzT3ceUY
I like the gameplay review, although I found the map pretty easy, I do agree on the style of it.
Couple of things: "Shortcut activated" is always a shortcut to somewhere you've already been. The navigation in the first mine - there is only one route there! You're right that after the SK door it gets potentially more confusing. for the video review, some very good comments about the navigation. It is so easy to forget when designing maps that other will not know the map inside out.
Thanks for mentioning the func thread, it might be helpful to add the thread link to the video about section? then anyone who is interested can read the comments. Youtube is nob ended and cuts off the description too early, I'll move links to the top :P
Good analysis of the design progression and map details. It is a bloody good-looking map.
I didn't think the dogs were much of a problem before. "Slightly tricky" rather than "very very poor" IMO. I think i enjoyed watching that more, than making it all by myself..
@DaZ, nice video! Priceless commentary, thank you! Glad you liked the tweaked version even more;). Oh, and the models were not made by me, i think its not clearly been said at one point (you admiring the screens). All props to preach.. The low gravity e1m8 inspired rancid decaying squelchy flesh pit of doom <-- easier to say than the real map title ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83j8yO21FZU I admit I died on the SK crusher as well, with pretty much the same thought - "It's not really gonna kill me just like that is it?"
Yep, same. But I had the foresight to turn on god mode just incase 8-) (and then I just went, fuck it, and kept it on, haha).
I quick saved just beforehand, cos I know how Tronyn maps.... Then jumped on the sk pedestal and waited the split second of escape time.
Tronyn, don't follow through on the threat of stopping mapping. They never disappoint. .. I'll never be able to do such a beautiful map... awesome... it reminds me a little bit of end map of Half Life...
A few nitpicks: I think it's pronounced Nee-ar-la-thoh-tepp by Troh-nin.
The mod all the new Tronyn maps are based on is called Drake - it's just that the latest version is only available through Something Wicked. For BSP2 maps, the new version of QuakeSpasm should be a better (esp. more beginner-friendly) engine recommendation than RMQ. Though not sure the QS website has the download page updated already. I'm disappointed you stopped after the SK crusher (quicksave??) and didn't even return to the map at a later point. Missed quite a lot of the map, especially the opening of the pyramid which is quite an epic moment. In consequence, this feels like bit of a lazy effort. I'm surprised how smoothly you got through. But then again, you say that was your fourth or fifth attempt, so it makes sense. Your video makes the initial arena fight in the second map looks so easy... well, I guess it is once you know what you're up against. I think in my first run I approached a few of the fights the wrong way; best example is the mummy/morph fight in the first map where jumping for the Quad damage seems to be the favorable action. The camera ride in the intro sequence is very nice, especially how it ends at the Sphinx face in the morph arena. I'd still really love to see a Quake compilation video similar to the one you did for HL2!
The video is very good. I thought in some earlier videos the game volume was a little bit too low; here, it seems mostly okay.
Nicely played and good commentary. One thing you didn't mention explicitly is that the SK areas can be reached in two ways as well - either by opening the SK doors, or through certain secrets or by climbing over ledges. There seems to be an issue with the outro links in FF26 which also occured in the Nyarlathotep video and possibly others: the borders for the three link images show up too early, way before the actual outro stuff appears. I think it's related to another issue in FF26 that causes the text cursor to appear in places where it shouldn't, e.g. the forum overview. Maybe there's a way for you to adjust the videos so as to work around it, or maybe it'll change in the next version. Just thought I'd let you know. I think the Quakespasm release happened after I had finished the nyar video but yes, I'll be recommending that in future.
You're right, I should have finished the second map of nyar but after a lot of attempts the level had really pissed me off and I didn't want to play it any more :) About annotations. Not sure if its a yt bug or a browser bug but this happens occasionally. The timings will be perfect in the annotations editor but they get pushed live the timings change :( I've fixed the annotations on Zendar and will keep an eye out for this in future :) I would like to do a Quake compilation video yes. I need to do some r&d on getting smooth camera movements etc using a floating camera and then select some maps. I might do a "17 years of Quake" video and select one map from each year and do around 20-30 seconds of flythrough for each. That still ends up being longer than i'd like but any shorter and you aren't going to see the levels :) I video compilation of the best SP maps of Quake would be terrific. It could help me to convince an old friend to play Quake1, instead of searching for a descent "modern" game.
>I might do a "17 years of Quake" video and select one map from each year and do around 20-30 seconds of flythrough for each. That still ends up being longer than i'd like but any shorter and you aren't going to see the levels :)
yes, please! would do some justice to this great game The "one map from each year" thing might end up forcing you into some horrible decisions, so feel free to break that rule. :-)
I think a vid covering the milestones of Quake would be good. The engines, tools, maps and mods.
Rather than a map a year I'd do what in that year moved Quake forward. >I think a vid covering the milestones of Quake would be good. The engines, tools, maps and mods.
that's more like a documentary at that point.. would be a great one for sure, if someone has the time, disposition and talent to do it Just watched the video, really enjoyed it, it's nice to just see it played and appreciate how stunning the design is :)
Conference of the Shamblers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnxJgBlz2aI
..would have preferred it if there had been a ledge to get back down...
Or a teleporter right behind you? ;) While I generally agree on the point about the lack of ambient sounds, it's not always so easy in Quake. The few existing sounds are either base- or nature-themed which doesn't fit in some areas. Quoth only adds two new ambient sounds and they aren't very versatile, either. So the only real alternative, and in a way this is sort of a workaround, is the use of flames/torches for some fire ambience.
However, this is where the soundtrack comes in, because it adds an extra layer of ambience, artificial as it may be (as in not directly linked to the specific environment), and neatly fills the gaps in the level ambience. This, among other reasons, it's generally recommended to play with it running in the background - it enriches the experience. Though I suppose not many people play with, not even the authors themselves, considering how many maps are released without a pre-set cd track. Should be used in CG videos, too. Daz, are you aware of how the armors work in Quake? In this video there were several occasions where you picked up or went for a weaker armor than the one you currently had without considering possible disadvantages. Or maybe this was only because you had played the map so many times that it didn't matter? The timing of the outro borders is completely wrong again. They already appear when picking up the Quad damage and all the way through the boss fight. Btw. is there a miiggahealth in HL2? :) Fixed the annotations. I don't know why that happens :(
Very true RE: Music. I should start adding in the music in post like I used to do. I just pick up the armours. Gotta get all the shiny things. Crescendo Of Dreams by Necros (2005) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eorkno5UXrA
Also, I got a proper mic this week and this is the first video I've recorded with it, so any feedback on voice quality etc is appreciated. I've been tweaking knobs for some time but I'm sure it can be improved. Also, I got a proper mic this week and this is the first video I've recorded with it, so any feedback on voice quality etc is appreciated
The quality of your voice on the video is much better than before. I always got the impression that "Crescendo of Dreams" was a test map for Quoth features (sound fx, wave spawning, rotating brushwork) with its symmetrical layout and over use of powerful Quoth monsters. I think the doom architecture and level design is a favourite of necros, because I have seen it before in his other maps. It was definitely meant to showcase quoth features (it was released at the same time as quoth). Totally overshadowed by Kell's much better Red777 though, but that's alright.
It had some neat things in it which I am still happy with now but also a fair bit of bad. I think you were a little too forgiving, Daz, but thanks for the review nonetheless. I adore the Doom green brick theme and was happy to see it done so well in Quake, along with all the trademark Necros designs like machinery, imposing outdoor areas, etc.
12:45:39 | <onetruepurple> scumbag daz
12:45:43 | <onetruepurple> talks about space maps 12:45:50 | <onetruepurple> doesnt mention hipdm1 The first void space HIPDM1 map was in the Quake expansion pack "Scourge of Armagon" in 1997 developed by Richard 'Levelord' Gray .
I am a bit disappointed that Daz does not know about Levelord as he was the inspiration for many "popular" map styles. @Lunaran, Yes Levelord did a crazy p0rn map called Assault but this is not the sum total of his work. He also did the first black void map and the first Alice style, "small player in large world" map behind Zee bookcase. These two styles alone inspired many community mappers to create their own versions in many different engines.
First you drop the classic "Ello Guys" intro, then you get a different voice, and now you even call yourself "Der0n WeeX" or somesuch? It's like I don't even know you anymore!
By the way, if you record on protocol 15 (where possible) or 10002, you can fix the intermission camera on demo playback with BJP's convdem tool. I remember long ago playing that map on Hard Skill and thinking it was brutal and unfair. The dual shambler spawn with no cover is just an easy example of where if you don't use the corner quickly and learn shambler dancing it can go wrong quickly.
What I did like about that level was the end battle and how the monsters came in from wind tunnels on the side, umm now that looks familiar! :P Also WTF mapping project are you working on!?! :P Something that stood out to me as good layout that you didn't mention: the first two-button progression block also has a symmetrical set of doors associated with it, so no matter which button you hit last, you're right next to one of the doors when they both open.
You also didn't explain "Westwoo00o0oo0000oo0od!" (because viewers really want to know about obscure #terrafusion jokes). Derpbris!
Nice spawn/fiend kill in the final battle there. The final arena might be relatively easy but it still looks like fun pacing. Hey, what was the map in the "B roll" Quake footage that you were playing during your recent status update? It looked familiar but I'm blanking on it.
I had an nvidia 460 which served me heroically for 4 years before it popped :)
I'm playing around with different driver versions for this current backup card I'm using. Trying to find a driver that doesn't lock my pc up when playing Quake... If successful then I can at least keep doing Quake stuff for teh time being! ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ GO MAP OR RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
If we can figure out the details. I'm across the pond from you ;)
Let me know. I'm honestly pretty bowled over by the amount of offers of donations and other help that people have offered both from the quake scene and elsewhere. I had absolutely no idea! I'm really not sure how to deal with it honestly!
As of right now I am waiting to hear back from Mateusz (the guy who runs level-design.org) as he may be able to spring an unused gpu from his work for me which would be fantastic. Thank you everyone for the generosity! Fingers crossed I can ello guys once again soon :) is so they can see a flyover of it on youtube with you saying ello guys over it.
But if that doesn't work out(card from Mateusz), let me know. I'll get you a card asap ;)
you're the new Shambler; you've achieved the rank of most-important-critic, whose review work encourages q1sp mapping
(no offense to Spirit who I would not consider a reviewer but rather an archivist, and who has no parallel new or old) http://youtu.be/5pxebIAWOQk
Thanks to negke who provided a tool to underclock my gpu so it wouldn't crash while playing Quake :) I like how....parental you sound when you're telling people to play the map first ;)
Love the fly-through shot down through the scrags in the pent room. Very good review Daz, lots of good points especially about the combination of interesting mechanics but the need for more harmonious visual language. One small thing, exploring the lower slime area is needed to get the biosuit for the upwards slime pipe, which you seem pretty keen on :) BTW if you go the quick route back from the Quad, you can actually get down and kill the zombies with it by the time it runs out. Temple of the Thousand Faced Moon by Fingers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iaQ8nBg0W0
Unfortunately Mateusz had no luck springing a gpu from his place so argh :(
If you still want to help out with the great gpu crisis of 2014 then email me at darren.weekes@gmail.com and let's see what we can cobble together :) Yes I very intentionally avoided saying Finger's real name :D I have absolutely no idea where to even start with that! Right now I'm working on Tronyn's Masque of Red Death which I somehow completely missed when he released it :P That video will probably be done by the end of this week at the latest. I have some footage of the Jackhammer editor as well, I just need to record some commentary for it without screwing it horribly :P I haven't put a whole lot of time into the editor but if anyone here has and has noticed any cool/not cool quirks or features that bare mentioning in a video then please let me know! Right now I feels like an almost carbon copy of Valve Hammer with some nice added features such as the valid brush shapes check etc. I could send you my old 8800gt but that's probably too old?
you will have to sacrifice your new one for some blender frame rendering for me! <onetruepurple> fucking paypal, i wanted to send spirit 2eur, not 1,99
<onetruepurple> exchange rates up the ass <@Scampie> rekt Very very nice video. Complete with a mandatory dazderp (missing the rl). Really really good commentary. Lots of lots of very very visible examples of sloppy texture alignment, though,
What engine is that, RMQ? The foot steps and model shadows felt kind of strange. The AI can't cross gaps in the floor very well even if they are clipped. Only kind of workaround is to use invisible solids like skip walls, for example. Is my new favorite meme. I'm going to mutter it as I play games now. Every time a script breaks, or I spot some z-fighting, I shall pass my hand across my brow, "Oh, my immersion!"
Which means I'll need a new brow if I attempt another playthrough of New Vegas. Nice video Daz =) Farting loudly in a restaurant and apologetically saying to nearby diners "Sorry for breaking your immersion"
Punching a band member and grabbing the mike "Sorry about your immersion folks" Preparing dog turd sandwiches advertised as beef with special napkins which have a particular slogan on them. Perfectly round sugar coated cockroaches called "immersion breakers" Moving on. Good video, I have fond memories of that map, which didn't seem to cause as much of a splash as it should have. I have fond memories of that map, which didn't seem to cause as much of a splash as it should have.
Yeah, that is odd come to think of it. It's just a really cool concept and is executed really well. Maybe cause at the time it required a custom engine before that it was cool to do that? I think it's because it required hipnotic, rather than a custom progs.dat.
I know it turned me off the first time I came across Masque, since I didn't have hipnotic installed at the time. I watched the video (and I watch every one Daz makes, TYVM Daz) and I only spotted one thing that reminded me of hipnotic. That clock looked very familiar. HIP2M2, The Black Cathedral, has the same clock, if I remember correctly.
You can see some glimpses of the clock in Daz's video from about 1:00 to 3:00. He's kinda busy with all the monsters running about, so you don't seem to get a good look at it at any point. There could be other things, but that was the one thing I spotted. Daz you are such a WHORE. I'd have donated a bit if you were putting it towards something you'd need to do the custom derping i.e. a GTX 260....
the last area with the wooden stairs and poky wooden bits holding the entire thing together is awesome. really love that look.
... a cool DaZ's map review... who needs to play Quake map anymore now ? Just let DaZ make it for you :P
No, seriously, DaZ's comments are always interesting and full of sense: keep it up man ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBAEaDOn6z0
Did a video for it as it's the lets play map of the week. Such a cool map! Pretty sure that everyone I listen to on YouTube has a British accent...
Random question which hasn't been researched at all: Have you ever considered analyzing the id1, hip, and rogue maps? The layout and shortcuts are nice. I think the map would have benefitted from giving the SNG earlier. It seems like quite a bit of grinding with low-tier weapons for the longest time, although the video makes it look more bearable. That brash presentation of unaligned wizmet near the end... totally czg!
There's a lot I forgot about this one; the Shambler + minion usage! the shortcuts all having an item or monster on top to lead the player there, the cool interconnectivity.
I did feel a couple of areas could have been expanded upon, namely the exit and SK pickup. A bit more floor space and filler areas would have helped there. When watching I thought 'hah, but you just derped past the GK access!' But then I remember that I did exactly the same. A fiend or ogre through that archway would have fixed everything, making certain the player went through one the door was opened. The rest of the placement is fantastic though. That Vore on the plinth is genius. I just played that one yesterday. Spooky!
It is indeed a great map. Some of the same structural things that I liked about czg07 but a little cozier, and with a theme that feels more Quakeish to me. Also the secret placement is more up my alley. I found 6/7 (I think), just occasionally nosing around and getting a little gold star for my troubles. I can see how folks would prefer more impenetrable secrets that really reward scouring the map, but I don't tend to play that way. I think, are of a very similar style - there arent' any really tough ones - most are just generally rewarding a teensy bit of extra exploration.
BTW is there any actual bonus for getting them all and collecting the runes? I really like that YA shortcut lift. You see it first inaccessibly from below, so that when you come back to it from above, it's an obvious landmark. Then it drops as you go for it, making the plat sound, so you know it's now a shortcut lift. No special buttons or "Shortcut unlocked" prints necessary, because the item does the job of luring you into learning. A perfect little design case.
But watching the video again I realise the same mechanic was being experimented with throughout.
It's just that YA is the clearest (best?) example. Very cool stuff. Daz, why not just do videos of CZGs maps from now on?
CZG - you'll need to step up production! ijed, I noticed it on another run-through in a few other places, too, you're right.
There's also a clear moment in czg03 when you feel yourself graduate from living mainly on the lower level to living mainly on the upper level, and that moment is grabbing the gold key. You've been up some stairs briefly before, but never stayed up there long before the layout demoted you again. After the gold key door, you pass through every major atrium you've already been to, exclusively via the upper decks you've seen but never visited, all the way around to the silver key and the first fight atop the bloody crown. Returning to the first halls leading up to the silver door feels a bit like returning as a conquering hero, because you've since been elevated to mastery of the space Every time you retrace your steps a second time, you do it in the same direction you did the first time. Your forward movement is never arrested, and you never turn around.
- From the opening area beneath the combat crown, up the embankment and down the hall to the main room: first time at the start of the map, second time traveling from the silver key crown ambush to the silver door. - Along the rocky shore to the bloody pentagram door (or the 'not quite gold key door'): the closed door diverts you up the stairs behind you, which meanders through the mid-height reaches of that side of the map, leading to a button. That button opens the pentagram door, and if you run right over it and off the ledge, you land back on the rocky shore headed straight for the door again. - From inside the gold key tower toward the gold key door: first time, you pass the gold key cage in the tower, then the gold key door after it diverts you onto a lower path. Second time, you've come around to grab the gold key from within the bars, which rise, and the gold door is literally in sight right down the same corridor. These moments feel like you're returning to a shorter "main" path from a brief diversion, but because your movement is always forward into new areas it never feels like a diversion at the time. That's a consequence, of course, of giving the player precisely zero choices, but if you want a map to be linear and not feel that way, czg03 is an object lesson in how to do that. fuuuck this map is so good Now I can't wait to see your reaction when you realise that Honey was named after CZG's memories of a bear ceremonially circling his depths in a sleepless night until he was numb.
That the circles referred to the bloody crown, but realized that made no sense when first playing. Then I came to the same conclusion, that the name refers to the loops made by the critical path.
This got me looking at czg07 more and drawing out the loops involved in those maps. It's all circles! This got me mapping by drawing blobby sketches at the start. Ok, so I want to start a new video series called "Developer Commentary" where I play through a level with the mapper present on skype and we talk about the design of the map (and laugh at my Quake skills).
If you are interested in doing this with me then please get in contact with me either here, or email, or anywhere really :) Can be a Quake map, Half-life/2 map or any game really. I just need to own the game so I can actually play the level! If anyone would be willing to go through a "beta" phase where I test all the recording setups and skype config etc that would be awesome. I'd happily point out everything I now hate about LunSP1 while you fall off ledges.
Probably Carcinogen by Ionous & MFX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp0x7inK0XM
Jam1_arrrcee by Arrrcee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwH6uon82Mw
"Honey Theme of Digs" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nXTF-c_pCo
What is it with these jam maps and their names? :D @daz I think it's more that it's an incredibly functional 'label,' rather than a creative title. So much that it becomes funny, especially when all the other jam maps are pretty 'creatively' named.
Are there unmarked secrets in this map? @daz good review/playthrough as always but I found myself talking back to you a bit. I can't help feeling like some of the general rules you cite/establish do not apply to Digs maps, which arguably(and often reflexively)transcend them. eg signposting, key use, the 'secret' pathway etc. imho The Dark Honey by Doomer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGeZ7YNGJ5k
Trying to pump out these videos at a quicker pace now that I have some holiday time AWWW YEAAHH BOI. @digs The name is more of a description of what the map is rather than a creative title. That's all. I just found it amusing :) @drew Yes but this level felt much more traditional than most of digs other releases which is why I felt that was worth mentioning. "if you can hold +forward and run through the whole map without paying attention to it that's a sign something is wrong with your map"
doesn't that describe a lot of good quake maps and/or basic speedrunning? Don't really agree with that.
Not having locked doors is a valid design decision. Assuming its made consciously of course. So that's probably what you're referring to :) Map jam 2 stream vod - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIM2wtmY9R0
Inside Your Hive by Ericw (map jam 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM_WrI3TK5M If you want to get an idea of what and where it is, the country we now know as Portugal was part of the old kingdom of Galiza or Gallaecia and later part of the county of Galiza, when it became independent from it. The non-oficial portuguese languages are very similar to many modern non-oficial galician languages.
If you want a clearer image, take a look at this. http://www.muturzikin.com/carteseurope/europe.htm I love to look at them, they are very detailed and big eye-openeers, and that webpage even have some more from the rest of the regions of the world. * Ijed, by the way, I don't mind how you all pronounce my nick, in fact, i challenge you to find the most original coherent pronunciation. * Daz, i still have to look at your demos and comments. Thanks for them. I expect you liked playing it ;). The unnamed jam1_mechtech :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVZR8Ift5iE
What I was trying to say was that there could have been more to do on the bridge than there was. I don't think the level would have needed to be much larger at all, just divide what was there into small chunks of game play.
Have a silver key where the stairs are currently, then the gold key how it is now. as good as the honey jam was I dunno, there seemed to be a few entries where people were not sure what they wanted to do or hadn't made much. I felt like I wanted to make a lot but ended up achieving little. Even though mine was fairly sizeable the gameplay area was fairly simple.
I think people will soon be able to make something epic in a short time quite easily. Jam 2 showed what can be achieved. Thanks Daz. I wasn't going to enter a map. Just exploring the texture set. After posting a screen shot, Sock said "you just need to create something with an exit trigger."
I'm satisfied with the look of it. Game play accept for the fiends was slapped in there. I'll revisit and expand the map this winter. I'm happy my little map is in there with those great maps. Dearly Departed by Onetruepurple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay04xI8NGEI
This happens in a lot of videos, and it often leaves me disappointed, because it shows how little research was done beforehand. At the very least you could read through the release thread for potentially vital background information. Especially in a 5-minute map/video this really isn't too much to ask for.
I know, yellow bricks in a Honey map. It's fucking insane - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzvmpI3ofXM (Yellow Brick Grotto by Rickyt23)
at churning out videos.
When i get time and a decent leg to play all the recent maps i still haven't played (half of 2013 and almost all of 2014 ones), i'll take a good look at those jam videos. I loook forward to them. Teh Ratz In Teh Wallz by Scampie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce_gHzKtvmE
fuck the final secret. fuck it right in its shitty secret arsehole. May I point out, Daz, that you did find that secret in your live stream playthrough of the level?
I should've locked the door behind you when you got to the Grenade Launcher... because going back that way is completely the wrong way, and I spawn the zombies when you pick it up because I was dumb and didn't expect anyone to go back that way. The zombie key aspect works better when there is no other way to go.
Also, I don't know how you could miss the main door being jammed. And there is no sound of it opening when you push the button... I literally just killtarget the func_wall that has the jam door texture that is in front of the actual func_door. lol.
Scampie, it gave me something to talk about :))) I swear I heard something move when hitting the jam button, oh well I must be going mad. Shame I missed the start, but it gave me a warm feeling to see you dive into a bottomless pit full of Night Gaunts :]
Good stuff, sorry I missed the earlier bits, but falling in the Gaunt pit made up for it a little.
Also when you respawned in DayZ, I was off for a shower and my bird was watching you in fits of giggles. Apparently you spawned surrounded by zombies, but instead of attacking them you spent a good while choosing the correct cowboy hat / checked shirt combo before panicking wildly?? I can't find the previous broadcast for warp - are they auto-deleted after a while?
Yes, I'm a internept. Seems tiwtch has misplaced the start of the WarpSpasm stream :| No idea how that happened.
I don't know if I'll be moving a vod to youtube, especially if the beginning is missing! That sucks :( I don't know for sure what's going on with the messages in some of the recent archived videos, but they suggest the copyright fairy has visited, muting them and cutting off most of the actual video. Some of them are now less than 30 minutes long. I saw the messages in a couple of the Colonial Marines vods.
If this was an automated process and it also mistakenly ate the Warpspasm session, maybe (just maybe) someone at Twitch support could restore it. I know, it sounds wildly optimistic. But maybe worth asking at least. only mutes vods for 30 minutes if it detects a copywritten track, it doesn't cut them at all.
So something else has broken there causing many 28 minute vods that should be 2+ hours. So WarpSpasm is lost to the ether it seems :| confused the fuck out of me! The trend with most modern maps is to have secrets that you can find by studying and then interacting with the environment in some way (ie hidden buttons, doors etc) but warp had very few of these.
Nothing in the levels stood out to me and I just started randomly jumping into windows and things just to see if there are secrets there. It was really weird! That makes finding them more rewarding, thats the only good thing about it.
Some are nearly impossible to find:) I tend to make secrets easier accessible, which lowers the replay value on the other hand.. Like you find 9 /10 . Like that.. I read up a bit on what Twitch does with the streams, and I think it stored the vods in sections of about 30 minutes. For some reason they threw away all but one of these sections for some of Daz's recent vods. Which explains why there was so little video left. Jerks.
It didn't have anything to do with the copyright related muting. I shouldn't guess how things work without looking it up. Anyhow, looking forward to zombie-related streaming that is starting very soon. What a good way to spend some time on Sunday evening :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAp9NgMIwc4
AKA I don't mind that your hands are cold. Inb4 no grenade jump needed. Inb4 noob you didn't find all secrets. Hey Daz!
I'll happily watch whatever videos you put together -- well, within some limits :-) -- but I'm also curious about whether you've thought more about the "Quake map retrospective" thing. Because that would be groovy. (Don't burn yourself out on jam maps!) Thought about, yes. A lot! Just haven't had the time to put something together :( These fucking arseholes keep releasing maps!
Playing and recording the entire and complete retrospective of 18 years of Quake mapping will still take less time than a single playthrough of Ijed's Rubicon Rumble map.
This guy is too easily distracted!!!! Doesn't help at all that some shady people keep recommending or gifting him games to play and stream, thereby effectively trolling the custom gaming spirit!!! ;)
Daz recently mentioned he was going to do a Tronyn week on his stream, starting with the early releases and working his way forward. It didn't happen, but I thought it was a nice idea which could possibly lead to more CG material in the process. Picking scenes from the playthroughs and adding comments on the design aspects, maybe even address them right in the existing commentary and just put the parts into context. Like a more improvised version of a CG video, but with a bigger scope. This could lead to other 'themed weeks' or sessions, e.g with a focus on certain visual styles (texture sets or architecture) or gameplay elements (puzzles, traps, hordes) etc. Could be cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD6NSgfCdZg
Vendricks Viaduct by Sock. Also herp derp I somehow totally skipped over FifthElement's map somehow so I'll get that done over the next few days. Oops! Callous Zeitgeist by FifthElephant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu8nENxgL1I Better late than never! :P is now on youtube
Part 1 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvH94x09m1I Part 2 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2FQLr6R-TQ Jam2_mfx by MFX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNlJDTUwHC8
"Persia Inversion" by Lunaran from Map Jam 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwA8GapRlx4
thanks daz! :)
but whatever engine you use must have stuffed up the info_intermission, because I placed it facing a very nice vista and not right up against an ugly torch :( The intermission camera is almost always wrong in demo playback, even if it looked perfectly fine during the recording. BJP's convdem tool has an option to (attempt to) fix it, but it only works on protocol 15 and 10000-2 demos.
Heh, yeah it had a nice vista when I recorded it. As Negke says, it got b0rked on playback :(
WALLTORCH H Y P E Not sure why, but every custom map (not id1 maps though) that I play in Quakespasm, I've gotten a weird intermission camera. I just assumed some people were being overly artistic... "Look at this torch, it is beautiful!" I noticed it during my playthrough of retrojam2 and The Hell That Is Coming last night.
I don't recall any recent changes in QS that should have broken that. Do you get the same cameras in Fitz 0.85 or Mark V?
I assume most people use only one info_intermission in their maps, not knowing they should place 4 of them.
QS resets to the playerstart as intermission then which is unfortunate. I only assume this is the reason. Doesn't it choose one of up to four at random? And if none, then the players start position?
Also fun fact: you can killtarget intermission cameras. Get some sweet conditional action up in that.
In the Shadows allowed you to switch between the cameras on the intermission screen by firing, I thought it was a pretty nifty addition.
aka The Halls of the Blood God by Scampie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wChHZj3hq5k
Youtube is being slow to encode the higher resolution 60fps version of the video so give it some time if its not available yet! WAY TO MISS ALL THE REALLY EASY SECRETS
Also, the ammo and health don't respawn on timers, but instead they respawn along with waves of enemies. Means the health and ammo is controlled so that you have enough for all the respawns, but never lets you get too much to break the balance. aka IKWHITE THEME OF SKACKY aka MAP NAME TOO LONG ERROR aka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfwblog7iQs
Is this just me? Check the fly around at ~35-40s in. If I advance frame by frame there are many almost same frames mixed with bigger jumps. This is visible as jitter in 1:1 playback speed.
Are you capturing with something synchronized to the engine? Otherwise this might be due to the difference between the recorder's tick and the engine's. Would setting the monitor refresh rate to 60hz with vsync on while recording at 60fps fix this issue?
although I don't recall seeing stuttering on past CG videos. Trying vsync sounds like a good idea.
Enjoyed the review though :) pixels wot move m8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L3XB7f_n1s
Death by a thousand cuts by Sock, shipping with map jam 2! if anyone liked my jam2 entry I did an updated version with more content, skill levels and better item balance. I also wrote a long articles about how the map was originally created and what went right and wrong with its design.
Version 2 - http://www.simonoc.com/pages/design/sp/1000cuts.htm wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUaerw8HMBw
The Hell That's Coming by Warren Marshall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHeETLu82L0
by Sock : https://youtu.be/L6XCRIpFLBg
Nothing to see here :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHITDaVaAEA
Very nice, very useful feedback.
You questioned a teleport that teleports you right up (to the exit). I agree, it was poor design. A teleport should be a last resource to solve connection problems. Some kind of stairway or unlocking an elevator would be better. A teleporter is fine. It's just that in this case it all feels a little disjointed or unintuitive perhaps. It shows that you made the atrium first and then tried to come up with stuff around it - which is also fine, but it can lead to an uninspiring layout.
About the spike rock setup: while it's a nice mechanic, it doesn't really work out in the end due to a flaw in the presentation. It goes without saying that the rocks should have been made to stand out more visually, not necessary by putting a shootable texture on them, but something to make them look special and not like an environmental detail. Now, the setup itself is clever in principle, whether intentionally or not. First room teaches the player that the rocks can be interacted with and how they serve as both triggers for progression as well as platforms to jump on. The second room shows they can also be used to crush enemies, and the third room uses a combination of both, where the player can use them at his own discretion. However, the setup breaks at the second step. Upon entering the room, the player immediately sees the vore (& vice versa) and since there's no cover and little space, he instinctivly backs up again before he has a chance to spot the rock above the vore. Even if he does make the connection afterwards, after having sniped the vore from the previous room, it likely won't work as effectively in the third room, because there was no directly visuble reinforcement of the lesson. Be puzzled, at first, about what to do to progress is part of the experience. The first room was set for the player to take its time and figure out the puzzle. Once you know those pointy things are there to drop there's no need to make them blink to get the player's attention. It raises a debate about how much player's frustration should be avoided (there must be some, imho). But I agree about the vore and the rest of your post.
having the player figure things out on his own, at least to a certain degree. That's one thing (of many) I didn't like about HL2 or the episodes; they felt overdesigned (if that's even an expression) in that whenever any new gameplay element was introduced, it was way too obvious that the designers were trying to "teach" the player how to use it - which is even more apparent when listening to the commentary. Almost as if they were afraid the player wouldn't do things exactly the way he was supposed to, or that every player has the attention span and cognitive abilites of a kindergartener, thus having to be handheld.
Okay I'm just rambling now. But my point is, I don't think it's a bad idea to just have some more subtle clues and then let the player figure out the rest on his own. Although I do recall having some trouble in the third room of your map, adib, as I'd run out of ammo after killing the vore and therefore couldn't shoot the spike down. Kell's book secrets in Contract were all bonus secrets, the hidden runes that opened up the secret level. No actual gameplay secrets were hidden with those fiddly books.
Like 'em or not, they are obligatory. And all the better with spawn hidden inside them.
I never did figure out the water room secret, well fucking annoying! <Daz_> was out at a bar, and one of my friends friends who I've never met before just said omg are you the guy who does those quake videos on youtube?
I watched an hour of the 'gameplay' before I got bored. I'm sure the level design is exceptional but it felt like a waste of time.
You can feel that the team that built it were 99% env artists and 1% animatiors, programmers and level designers.
It's a love letter to urban explorers and infrastructure coolness. Some of the puzzles are absolutely maddening, and confusing as hell in places. Definitely needed more playtesting in this regard. But damn, it is cool exploring all these old places :o My Half-Life 2 mod of the year for 2015. Rocket Jump gun :o
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