Great map set! 

i've finally played through all the amazing levels. and i can tell this is the most powerful quake stuff i've ever seen im my life. all 3 authors are geniuses. smooth gameplay, challenge, atmosphere, what else one needs when diving into rubicon?

here's the track that'd add to all this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImZrofSuEUc 

Wish I'd had that track when mapping and coding...

(Go map) 

No idea why I put off playing it for so long. Truly a great experience. Huge, detailed and polished levels, cool new enemies, props and map functions. Huge industrial style boner (Tetsuo?). Another highlight in the history of Q1SP, imo.

I felt like the slime texture could have used some upscaling on the larger pools - it doesn't look quite right next to the large-scale architecture around. I had some fairly poor performance in Telefragged, partially because I was streaming, but also because of some ijedism going on in the map. Bit of a shame. In a way, the map seems to be continuation or redefinition of Warpspasm on a more technically-refined level, well, except for the framerate...
The stealth part of the gameplay was a nice touch, thankfully not overused, although the mech bit got a little frustrating after a while. Funny that the moving speed doesn't change, not even to walking pace. I imagined the player crawling with arms moving super-fast. :D

I could imagine many people got lost in the spawling levels. Personally, I never really felt lost, although at times I wasn't entirely sure where to go for a moment. Occasionally, I deliberately walkled back from where I came to get some items I had left behind, but always found the way to proceed eventually.

Secrets overkill! Found many, some of which are cool, others barely qualify as secrets in my book. Got to the signature room and the credits level, too.

Anyway, impressive work, guys!

Demos 

A highlight for sure, no doubt about that, but what I meant to say is milestone. 

Shame about the framerate thing in my map - I can't remember other complaints of same apart from when using a bad engine, so the only thing that occurs is 'heapsize' or 'hardware' :(

I wouldn't agree that its Warpspasm... its just I released so few levels that my trademarks seem more pronounced. Although this is the second time I've ripped off Rubicon :>

Watching demos... 

Just out of curiosity, what's your CPU/GPU, negke? 

I thought I'd been away too long!

playdemo rrp_negke1
playdemo rpp_negke1 

 

It's been a long time since I last was in the RRP, so thanks for the demos negke!
You really can find bugs and texture misalignment. 8-)

Thanks for playing! 

 

Phenom 9600 Quadcore 2.3 / Geforce GTX 460 on Win7 64bit 

When playing telefragged with Quakespasm 0.90.1, you will be greeted with the console error message of not enough edicts (max_edicts 2048)

To alleviate this, just type in the console max_edicts 4096 and the map will load fine. My only question is, why was the edicts amount reduced by default? 

11 bits allocated by the netcode for a packet telling other clients about an edict = 2048 is the highest possible number. Raising many limits in Quake requires modifying the netcode, making it backwards incompatible, but metlslime went ahead and just raised all of them at once and created PROTOCOL_FITZQUAKE. 

and, to answer your question, it lets you know the map wouldn't work in other engines without raised limits. it's on the user to make the choice to silence the warning.

also, it's a warning, not an error, right? the map loads fine in Fitz/Spasm either way. 

sounds are 13bit. baselines are 16. 'fast' entity updates are 16.
vanilla quakeworld's deltas are 9bit, but that's irrelevant around these parts.

'max_edicts' (actual cvar name is of course different in different engines, yay standards!) is a serverside limit, and may have lingered from older configs. exceeding it will kill the server, necessitating increasing the limit and restarting the map or whatever. 

8192 is the max edicts that protocol 15 can handle (due to sounds) 

Finally got to play through MFX's map. After playing this and ijed's map, I have to say that the quality of gameplay in these maps absolutely obliterates that of any first person shooter released in the past 10-maybe 15 years. Atmospherically it's a post-apocalyptic nightmare set in another dimension where plasma and laser weaponry is openly utilized but whoever built these places can't seem to find a better power alternative than steam.

Exploration reminded me a lot of Half Life and Alien vs Predator 2 with all of the ducts leading to various places. There's plenty of health and the interconnectedness of the maps is simply breathtaking. It's amazing to see real art being made with this game engine amidst the sea of boring childish games that pander to the lowest common denominator and hold the players hand. 

My only question is, why was the edicts amount reduced by default?

It was actually increased from the default, which was something like 600.

One should also be cautious about just blindly increasing limits like this. The size of an individual edict in Quake is variable, and with a high enough max_edicts you can easily blow through your entire heapsize. 

Edicts are variable size? I thought they all had the same members. What varies? 

by variable size, he means at load time rather than mid-game.
the number of fields allocated is mod-dependant, and bloatware crap like xonotic can easily have 2k fields or whatever. 

 

Thanks.

If anything can bring me back to Quake it's posts like that.

Glad you enjoyed it. 

that post brought the pack to my attention and i just started playing it a couple of days ago. i'm still in the middle of it; everything about it is so startlingly immersive that i have to step away from it to gather myself, catch my breath, and then i just want to go right back to it. fantastic stuff. 

After playing ijeds map, I think there's pros and cons of these massive maps and using bsp2. The size, detail, structures, design is all fantastic.

However, I found myself lost a bit. On two occasions I just had no idea at all where I was supposed to be going, and when it's this non-linear and large, that's a bad thing. I ended up having to noclip around looking for monsters, then backtracking with notarget to figure out where I was supposed to have reached them. On both occasions they were just random areas in a location I'd already been through. I don't know how I was supposed to have known to go back there to this small room that no longer has a closed door, without any indications.

It's okay in modern games, because there's always a pointer or waypoints, but Quake has nothing like that so it still needs some linearity so you don't get completely lost. The same happened at the end after the earthquake, once I got to the top of the lift I took a wrong turn and spent the first 3mins wandering aimlesslesly. Noclipped and realised what I'd missed, by then only had 1.5mins to complete the map and it was pretty much impossible. I then get stuck with it saying elevator is now accessible. I eventually noclipped to find what elevator I think it was talking about, but the route was blocked anyway, I can only assume because I hadn't killed enough monsters but I no longer had time left. Oh yeah, I love timers.

So I ragequit realising I'd just spent 80mins playtime and now can't finish it. Where's the actual end? Is it upwards? I'll at least noclip to that so I can continue to mfx's map tomorrow.

But yeah it was an awesome map apart from getting lost.