I love the diciplinarian rigidity of an efficient system that adheres to pre-defined rules 2.0 

Dirtmapping is slooooow in this map :)

Vis took 10 minutes.

I've fixed all the b0rkage I should have done last time in the bsp along with less obvious technical issues like lack of vis blocking and gameplay logic problems (yes the pipe that blows up).

I didn't get any items dropping. Could this be a framerate issue? The mod loads all items on map load and if there's not enough memory allocated then maybe some stuff gets lost. Just a blind guess. 

I was thinking a patch plus a new download:

rrp_v1.1.zip
rrp_patchv1.1.zip

With it implicit that the first release was v1.0.

Both of the above would include the link to the current engine change in the readme, and the telefragged bsp, lit and map files.

Updating the devkit alone seems like overkill for just one file, even if it is a fairly complex one.

Sound good? 

Now lots of item dropping 0_o 

But I don't get all the ones in the screenshots - those same errant 3 seem caused by something else.

Will see if I can narrow down the issue. 

can't release update without inclusion of additional bonus maps by Sock and Scampie


Standards are changing. 

You're up! 

Sounds great. I can test it before release if you want, just shoot me an email.

Also, I don't know if this is useful but DarkPlaces reports more items falling out in telefragged, like 24-25. I'm guessing it's due to Darkplaces' different handling of rotated bounding boxes than Fitzquake family engines, and a lot of the pickups are rotated. 

That was the issue I alluded to before of engine fixing the fix - I redid the ammo bsp's with their centre corrected, and DP has a gameplay fix for that as well. So I suspect it may be offsetting some ammo boxes a further 16,16 units and therefore just enough for them to drop out.

The dumb bugs are fixed and I fixed some of the vis blocking. Unfortunately there's no fix for poor layout without rebuilding large sections of the map (the main hub and conncetors) so the wpolys still get up to 10k from certain angles, possibly 11k from very specific viewpoints.

Nevertheless it's improved by a few cheesy blockers and walls scattered around to break the LOS.

A HOM also appeared which wasn't there before, but there are several offgrid errors being reported so I need to chase down the suspect brushes.

It may be that these errors didn't bother the older version of the compilers (from 2014!) but the newer ones HOM the dodgy brushwork.

I'll knock out one more compile (10mins vis, 40 light) and send it over if its not too badly broken - thanks :) 

Worse yet, it crashed my game of Darkest Dungeon, just when thing were going well D;

It's late, time for sleep. 

If the maps have been tested my mappers and testers
in QS 085.9 or 085.10, it may be no wonder
090.0 displays several instances of z-fighting.

@ijed: I went through Telefragged in 090.0. I have made sceenshots for all the z-fights I found. May it be worth to take a look? I can send or post them if you wish.

Is the rocket launcher area supposed to be a secret area? 

Since older versions become depreciated.

The Z-fights I've found in telefragged tend only to be within some door frames and with fullbright turned on. I can only think of one after the last pass, plus the shootable button in the slime (also fixed).

The rocket launcher area is supposed to be secret yes... that's odd. Must have got lost in the shuffle. 

The Z-fights I've found in telefragged tend only to be within some door frames

that's true

and with fullbright turned on

How do you turn on/off fullbright?
Sorry for my lack of knowledge.

I can only think of one after the last pass

could it be the stairs in the room next to the exploding pipe?

plus the shootable button in the slime (also fixed)

is the window supposed to be broken all the time?
if not, may I ask what triggers the window to be broken?

The rocket launcher area is supposed to be secret yes... that's odd. Must have got lost in the shuffle.

I got a bit confused. You do get a centerprint, but it does not have a name like all the other secrets. I have found all so I can confirm it's not included in the 31 secret count.

So in the released version you can get 29/31.

(The long drop can be triggered but was not possible to survive without cheating. The infused can also be triggered but it didn't add to the counter of found secrets.) 

You are probably well aware, but I think it's safer to mention as I haven't seen it in the thread.

After getting healed, there is a grunt next to the exploded pipe whose death seems to trigger the opening of a door. If the grunt is not killed AND you go down to the shocking secret area then you get stuck. 

How do you turn on/off fullbright?

I put these useful commands in my autoexec.cfg


bind "F8" "noclip"
bind "F9" "notarget"
bind "l" "toggle r_lightmap"
bind "f" "toggle r_fullbright"
bind "b" "toggle r_showbboxes"

You may want to bind to different keys (for example, my notarget over writes quickload).

The toggle commands can also be entered directly in the console.

r_fullbright 1
r_fullbright 0 

To fill in the history about the Z-fighting thing: Yeah, just before RRP was released, the pack was tested in QS 0.85.10, which was hiding z-fighting, so that's why the problem wasn't caught in testing.

The way the timing worked out is a bit unfortunate; we disabled the z-fighting hiding in QS after RRP came out. QS 0.85.10 was never released as stable version of Quakespasm, the stable release was 0.90.0, which had the hack removed (exposing z-fighting). 

@Rick: thank you.
Yeah, F9 is my favorite key.

@ericw: thank you for the explanation.
It certainly helps to explain things.

I have sent the win32-win64 stuff with permission.

@Hrimfaxi: I ask for you patience. Most of the stuff I remembered and tested again is recorded.
I'm still willing to give it another go. 

Here's the longawaiteduntileveryonegotboredandwentaway patch for Telefragged:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/d5em6lncudro4o1/telefragged_patch_1.01.zip?dl=0

It's BSP and LIT only, no code or other asset changes.

It believe fixes all most issues described on this thread.

Known issues:
walkmonster in wall 3712 1184 184
item fell 794 406 -26
item fell -864 1400 -650
3 missing textures

The map also sharts out a lot of walkmonster errors in runtime, but they're non critical AFAIK.

I'll fix these issues in the next build (it's late and everyone else in my house is sick).

Testing appreciated.

Eventually (next build) this should be the official patch along with a small readme referencing the correct engine, and then I'll do a new v1.01 zip to replace the original pack download. 

Nice. that map was so confusing at first. But fun 

I'll be aiming at making an all secrets demo. 

This is just to test, so your demo won't work on the final version once released if you record it now. 

Sorta new here so I am just starting to play all of these famous (or infamous) maps people have created over the years. This just made my jaw drop in awe. The sheer size, detail, concepts of it all is just mind boggling! It felt like a full fledged game at times!

-Locust had a fresh feel with its outdoor vistas and connecting pathways.

-Telefragged is something else entirely and the initial "stealth" sequence is sickeningly original. Playing on Nightmare with over 900 monsters is just chaos!

-I actually did not realize there was a third level due to the slightly obscure way to reach it (Walk into the blackness of a pipe) but this map felt like a nice closer and the amount of reusable spaces was pleasing.

Fantastic job guys, it was a blast! 

I still get 2 items falling out on skill1:
Bonus item fell out of level at '794.0 406.0 -26.0'
Bonus item fell out of level at '-864.0 1400.0 -650.0'

and:
walkmonster in wall at: '3712.0 1184.0 184.0'

There is a little z-fighting on the part of the stairs that explode by the pipe:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m7lw19s18ewa3l2/spasm0000.jpg?dl=0
The part of the stairs that explodes is also lit a bit differently, maybe set "_shadow" "1" on the entity so it casts shadows and will blend in with the world.

These are minor of course, maybe not worth a full recompile, but I guess items falling out are fixable with an onlyents. 

I'll do a build next week once I get back next week. Those are the annoying errors I mentioned above - you think you've got them them all and... Splat.

Of course, if I was going to do a mfx I'd fix the wonky vertices all over the place as well..

Good hint with the stairs as well - I didn't notice that.

Bloughsburgh - glad you liked it! 

Just wanted to mention the alpha textures on world model thing.

Traditional Open GL skybox drawing in old engines draws skyboxes in a relatively inefficient manner by first drawing a fullscreen skybox. Result void = sky.

There are other ways to draw a skybox including only rendering sky where a sky brush is shown.

I don't think MH or Spike or any of the shader/cubemap advocates will read this thread to chime in.

But future engines written with modern rendering may have a tough or annoying time with this map.

(It was my severe mistake to do alpha masked textures on world model textures in my alpha texture mock up in oldy Mark V.)

/Ok ... I pointed this out so future generations can quote this in a Wikipedia article or something. My job is done!