...Any references for the Prisons of the Underworld? 

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/9a/e0/0d/9ae00dfd0f838a3b51ac297b8e6c7ba3.jpg

https://sala17.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/piranesi.jpg

http://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Battista_Piranesi#/media/File:Piranesi9c.jpg

With more at:
http://thefunambulist.net/2010/12/21/fine-arts-carceri-dinvenzione-by-piranesi/ 

Once piece prison with 6 level of Hell sounds a good reference as well :)

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/es/images/thumb/f/f3/Interna.png/800px-Interna.png

I am not advocating to make a manga-like map, but rather to reuse the Hell-like leveled prison: that would make a good map IMHO.. :) 

 

I don't have time to map for this but here's a free map name: "Live Fire Exorcism"

y/w 

 

hey... so that fgd i uploaded was actually shit.

here's one that actually works and also has all the other entities you need (eg: the stock quake ents):
http://shoresofnis.com/temp/qonquer.fgd (actually just the same url...) 

imagine if our brains slowed down when we looked at architecture that was too complex (actually, in that case, natural scenery like forests, the ocean etc, would be the worst).

I've always wanted to make a Piranesi-style Quake map (though The Living End or Honey arguably move in this direction already), but I can't map for this - too busy and need to finish old stuff before starting new. 

How does the mod choose the amount of monsters to spawn during a wave?

I see that you set up lots of monster spawn 'factory' entities as the spawn locations for all the enemies, and choose a range of waves for each factory to be active. And then the mod chooses the frequency to spawn new monsters from it's available pool of factories each wave.

Does the mod simply iterate through the list of active factories and spawn a monster at each factory until it's spawned all the monsters for that wave? Or does it do some form of smart choosing of factories based on the strength of the monsters it spawns?

The first arena of Qonquer is a good example: the Vore that spawns in later waves... Does it only spawn infrequently because there is only 1 spawn point and many more Enforcer and Grunt spawn points? or because the mod knows not to spam Vores constantly in earlier waves?


I assume it's just iterating through the list, but I wanted to be clear. 

You can set a spawnwavestart and spawnwaveend key on a monster to prevent it spawning in early/late waves. No guarantee it will spawn once you reach valid waves though... 

What preach said. Someone read the source code! 

"How does the mod choose the amount of monsters to spawn during a wave?"

From what I recall, it's automatic. It starts small and just escalates. 

Also, try to have a decent selection of spawn points as well ... the mod attempts to pick ones you can't see so the spawning is super obvious. It also tries to avoid telefragging and when the action gets intense, that can be difficult with an arena full of monsters. 

Ok, so it's a semi-smart spawning system, with the chance of a specific monster being spawn tied how many factories for it are active that wave? 

Hmm ... If I remember correctly, what it does is it tries to keep a set number of monsters alive. When it need to spawn one, it gathers up all the valid spawn locations and picks one randomly.

So there's really no control over how many X of Y will spawn ... you can only set up what mix you want and qonquer does what it can to provide.

I wish it was more controllable now, but ... 

With user-specifiable round start/end sounds! 

How high of a wave did you expect players to get to in the default arenas?

Seems that it was at wave 15 you wouldn't add or change any spawners, and just let the mod do it's thing with ramping up frequency for increases of difficulty from there? 

No real design intention there, just ... they were samples so they'd showed enough to give people the idea of what to do. 

So are you going to share your penis prefabs? 

but without the word "prefabs" 

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/161473/Misc/MapJam4_A.jpg 

That block in the sky, in real life, wouldn't be able to float like that. You should consider creating some architecture to support it.

Otherwise it looks cool! 

 

I literally made a level that was giant floating pyramids... when did Quake have to make sense? ;) 

It's a prison of the underworld. It does what it wants. 

Best bit out of a generally cool shot :) 

You forgot to call it a "cube" despite very obviously not being a cube. 

Also scampie : go map. 

You're all fucking cubes. 

Is it just me out here or what? :)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/161473/Misc/MapJam5_B.jpg 

I have an idea for a map... But I currently have too many projects right now. I'll have to see. 

loving the look of this level Warren.

Others working on levels, feel free to post wip shots etc :)))) 

I have something in the works, but want to get more done before I show anything.


That looks cool though! 

I'm in. I need to clear my head. 

what a cool idea; why would a free-floating void structure need to hold itself together using conventional architecture; if all its parts are floating, it could just be held together by chains! 

Is that the brick and mortar bits did not necessarily originate in the void, but that's where they were chained together.

OMG jam5 = an allegory to mapping itself??? 

 

Looks great, kind of reminds me of Papo&Yo. Shame it's little more than an elaborate 3D skybox for a simple Qonquer arena. 

You're a simple Qonquer arena. 

 

Looks great @WarrenM! Makes me think of Kowloon a bit:

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=kowloon%20walled%20city

Ended up with a lot of grey as well for the theme, seems appropriate:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/129414687@N03/16763036927/ 

It's just not looking very nice and has no unique gimmick. 

@ijed You nailed it, having the exact same problem ;) 

I think I've found the look now - green and blue dungeon.

I stopped working on an earlier version because I didn't like the gimmick.

I'll post a shot once I compile it. 

http://scampie.net/etc/wip/jam5_arena1_week1.jpg

themes are the only real prison! 

and if you want proof of how lazily I've worked on all the rocks this past week...

http://scampie.net/etc/wip/jam5_arena1_day1_1.jpg
http://scampie.net/etc/wip/jam5_arena1_day1_2.jpg

That's day 1 where I made the layout and didn't share the pics with anyone except negke and Lunaran. Since then I've only poked here and there each night because I fucking hate making rocks. 

The gameplay can be seen on those screenshots.

I see that you used the idea i had for lighting in sm176 too.

Also be careful to not make the central spot a too safe place against ogres and demons. It would make the map blander.

By the way, which textures are you using for rocks and vines? 

Now go map rocks.

Hypnos urs is looking good too. 

The base texture for the vines is 'maya2_9' from the Rogue expansion. The rock walls are 'rock18', I believe from Unreal originally, I use a version I modified that tiles vertically better than the original.

I then shopped that rock texture with the vines texture at a few different length variations. I also have a couple of the trims and wall stones from sock's Egyptian textures with vines over them which I'll use a little for the interior arenas.

When I do the hanging vines as brushes, I have a texture I hacked together that uses 'hedgerow1' from zendar with the green leaves of 'maya2_9'. Basically looks like the original 'maya2_9', except I replace the brown vines with dark green leaves, which looks nicer when made into standalone vines and such.

The rocks on the ground are 'ogro42', from one of Ogro's texture sets. The blue crystals are 'crys1_2' from Quake2. The green grass is 'jf2grass' by metlslime from Rubicon2.

I put together the .wad I'm using a couple years ago intending to do a 'lost continent/hanging gardens' setting for a map. Pulling it out now just to use it because it looks too cool not to use, and this area honestly only looks good because of dirtmapping AO and the diffused sunlight2. 

Looking good Hypnos and Shrimpie. Everyone else = Go map! (and then post wips!)

;D 

Suspected that the rock texture was from Unreal, but never thought that the vines could be those, and was thinking were in Unreal were those located. Good choice of textures across sets, indeed, look coherent, at least from this distance. I was particularly interested at those two, as i was searching for a texture with and without vines for a map, to hide the limit between the two.
The Unreal rock texture really needed that improvement for tiling, i remember it being quite bad at it, not that it is critical in your case, as long as faces stay at that size 

Somebody stream, ffs. :) 

Put a Rubicon 2 base in it. 

I will be looking to contribute something... probably will take a day I would suspect. 

Bear in mind that Qonquer can trigger events at the start and at the end of each wave ... so you can do some wacky stuff if you really want to. Transforming arenas and things like that. 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qy4rektk41ddgma/qon1.jpg?dl=0 

Bear in mind that Qonquer can trigger events at the start and at the end of each wave ... so you can do some wacky stuff if you really want to. Transforming arenas and things like that.

This is what I was hinting at with the interesting or unique twist. Cool stuff that changes up the fight! GO MAP #D 

I had the whole floor change on every other wave, a bit like an interlocking Dead Simple.

But then it pissed me off. 

Can you put qonquer spawns that activate ONLY after a certain wave completes? That would be cool when you open another room and you get more monsters from previously inactive spawns in that room. 

Yeah, just set the spawnwavestart on the monster spawns in there...

http://www.wantonhubris.com/qonquer/Editing%20%3A%20monster_.html

They won't be used until you hit that wave. 

What if I killtarget info_qonquer with a targetend? Will the game end? 

Ok im going to reuse some old scraps for this, to get them out of the way in some sense.

I'd like to make a startmap from this bit:

http://i.imgur.com/dQiBxTh.jpg

I need a precise number of contributors for extra teleporters, but thats done quick.

My entry looks like this atm, you know that already..

http://i.imgur.com/S8ziQ39.jpg

Now go map! 

This would make an awesome floating Icon of Sin-like boss enemy. 

Sounds like a perfect use of Qonquer to me. 

"What if I killtarget info_qonquer with a targetend? Will the game end?"

Well, that would basically be shooting the mod in the head so .. I wouldn't expect good things. 

I was just confused about the theme being "Prisons of the Underworld" to be honest. 

i did not read that.. 

:D 

 

Don't worry, I ain't caring about that theme. I'm just making a Qonquer map! 

An off theme map is better than a non-existing map any day! Go map! 

I didn't see the theme. :P

Mine isn't much of a prison. 

just throw a few bars around a few places. there, it's a prison. 

I made a cave already..

http://i.imgur.com/WaCsFwz.jpg

Hmmm, maybe i can merge it all into a map. 

It's in the underworld. Who's to say what a prison in the underworld looks like? Fuggit. 

Dropbox hasn't uploaded my shit 

 

it was never meant to be! 

What textures are you using in those two shots of yours? 

The base texture for the vines is 'maya2_9' from the Rogue expansion. The rock walls are 'rock18', I believe from Unreal originally, I use a version I modified that tiles vertically better than the original.

I then shopped that rock texture with the vines texture at a few different length variations. I also have a couple of the trims and wall stones from sock's Egyptian textures with vines over them which I'll use a little for the interior arenas.

When I do the hanging vines as brushes, I have a texture I hacked together that uses 'hedgerow1' from zendar with the green leaves of 'maya2_9'. Basically looks like the original 'maya2_9', except I replace the brown vines with dark green leaves, which looks nicer when made into standalone vines and such.

The rocks on the ground are 'ogro42', from one of Ogro's texture sets. The blue crystals are 'crys1_2' from Quake2. The green grass is 'jf2grass' by metlslime from Rubicon2.
 

 

I know, I know. This weekend is mapjam from start to end. Going to have to wrap up what I have and submit, basically. 

It seems I've become very lazy and slow, so this is a good kick in the arse to get me sharpened up again. 

"It seems I've become very lazy and slow"

Same... ugh, worst thing is that the deadline is on Easter and I have family get together to go to and steal my mappery time :_( 

"I don't understand why you'd want to work on something that earns you no money instead of spending time with your family"

"Uhm..." 

Will probably try to finish off my map... not really spent a lot of time on it and I think the scale is slightly too big but ah well. 

I was a bit of a dick setting the deadline to Easter. That totally slipped my mind when I initially set up the jam.

So, I am willing to give a 3 day grace period after the 5th for people who are busy this weekend.

If someone could update the main post with this info that would be <3

To be absolutely clear. ULTIMATE DEADLINE OF DOOM AND DEATH : **** WEDNESDAY 8TH APRIL ******* 

I can now slack off and do it on the last minute like I always planned. 

You are a saint.

This does not, however, cancel out your being of a bellend, but the net total has gone up considerably. 

Now you have time to make a map too Daz! 

Hah, nice ... this weekend was shaping up to be a little ugly. :) Thanks DaZ... 

 

Beware placing a golden backpack on top of a brush entity - with both doors and buttons it spams "Trying to Sprint to a non client" and is then apparently collected by the world leading to all sorts of hilarity.

I'm guessing this is because of the door touch functionality for the removal of keys. 

A golden backpack is the established convention, but is not necessary to begin the game. 

That's some subtle trolling! 

I started working on a little arena thing, but it took really long and then I realized it actually turned out to be Scampsp2, so I quit and deleted everything. Will probably also format the hdd just to be on the safe side.

No jam map from me - but hey, at least I tried, right? 

Sweet style in that shot, whatever it is and whatever becomes of it. 

FINISH THE MAP NEGKE 

 

 

Obvs 

Looking nice, now send it to me. 

 

Should be done on the 8th.

http://i.imgur.com/GClZWN5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0DGSvnl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iTS2BWW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/igOd8f7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jedaj4f.jpg 

Driving home, remembering this is due on Wed...

http://weknowmemes.com/�/uploads/2012/01/llama-stare-gif.gif 

The fuck?

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/llama-stare-gif.gif 

skacky - God DAMN son. 

 

As awesome as that is skacky, I think you need to own those colors a little more and pump up the saturation a little. That would really define your indoor and outdoor color schemes. 

I actually love the faint blue tinge outdoors, but feel it might be worth boosting up the interior warmth to break up and diversify the mood in places? Also consider throwing in a smudge of colour contrast - Perhaps the rooftops/domes being something defining like teal green or deeper blue for extra character? Structurally impressive though, it's appealing to look at. 

skacky
1) daaang
2) how do the items and monsters look next to the higher res textures though? weird I bet 

I decided to participate this time around, been awhile!

http://rctiernan.com/quake/acqonquer_1.jpg
http://rctiernan.com/quake/acqonquer_2.jpg 

are they higher res? still seem to look like normal size quake textures? 

Skacky, awesome!

How many entries are we to expect?, i cant keep the count.

12? 

love it, looks amazing. 

 

Got a chance to go through the thread and see everyone's work so far and man these are looking awesome!

And Negke, c'mon, you've got to finish that! 

some of them look upscaled, yeah? am I high?

or is this mmap just that good 

that's some sweet high res brushwork ;) 

my email address is here on func or you get it from the jam 5 guidelines doc linked in the OP.

Cool seeing more maps! YAY ArrrCee! 

 

that's the most amazing thing I've seen in a long time. coincidentally, I recently had a very similar idea for a map recently, to what you designed! directly from my to-do list:

q1sp map: "Moon Above, Sun Below" - upside-down skybox, altered gravity, map objects from heretic2, Piranesi style layout, jam2 arabian palace textures). Blue lighting. Use crystal torches. Use quake2 crystal textures. Have moving platforms.

But of course I wouldn't even get to this until Drake is done. Anyway, that looks stunning, great work. 

Just sack Drake off and get mapping FFS. 

 

It's roughly 2am where I am. So roughly 24 hours remain for this JAM!

GET TO DAT JAMMIN SONS 

LAST MINUTE JAM RULE ADDED BY THE JAM MASTER HIMSELF:

9:00 PM - [TD] Daz: there must be a penis somewhere
9:00 PM - [TD] Daz: make it so 

Uh ... so ... tonight? Hmm... 

My map is finished unless something terrible happens during beta-testing. 

 

I had this idea where all arenas would be linked to form a complete map layout and be playable as a normal level when run outside of the Qonquer mod.

I think this is what skacky should do! 

Yes. I have 3 arenas, and only the first (the outside caves and waterfall area) is mostly standard arena gameplay. 

 

There's some gameplay and design issues with my map I wont be able to fix in time for the deadline. Needs quite a bit more work on it, will probably repurpose the stuff I've made for a similar themed map I've been working on as I think it'd go better with that.

Sorry guys! 

If you need another day or so then fine. I will need time to compile the pack together and test all the maps etc. 

 

http://scampie.net/etc/mapshots/jam5_scampie_halls.jpg
http://scampie.net/etc/mapshots/jam5_scampie_arena1.jpg
http://scampie.net/etc/mapshots/jam5_scampie_arena2.jpg
http://scampie.net/etc/mapshots/jam5_scampie_arena3.jpg 

 

I could use another day or so. I'll keep the thread posted! I just got it sealed this morning .... need to add gameplay and get it done. It's not my best effort but it is what it is at this point! 

The version I sent didn't compile light for some reason. Will send again in a bit. 

And here's a screenshot:

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/screen_shots/jam5_ijed.png 

 

 

Map is sealed and I'm setting up game play ... it won't happen tonight. But I could shoot for tomorrow night! 1 more day, I swear, that's all I need... 

Makes it pretty then adds gameplay! 

Yeah, yeah, why I oughta... 

Scampie: BLACK FACE ON A LIGHT CRYSTAL?????

Warren: Stretched skull texture on the angled brushes... but they also don't line up correctly with the adjacent face. Otherwise cool, love the lava vomit face. 

Send me the level today! Go map, you scums :) 

So far I have received entries from:

Arrrcee
MFX
Scampie
Skacky
Ijed (v2)

I am waiting on submissions from Warren and possibly FifthElephant (go map!) which have until the end of today (roughly 14-16 hours depending on how long I stay up tonight :D ) and then I will start building the pack and testing the maps etc.

If anyone wants to help me test then let me know and I'll send you a link once I've built the pack. Thanks all! 

 

"************ ERROR ************
Degenerate edge at (0.000 0.000 0.000)"

Fuck.

The world's most content free error message.

Sometimes I wonder why I bother... 

It's for the love of brushes. 

submitted something, did you receive my email daz? 

Submitted to Daz ... not my greatest achievement but deadline has already slipped, so go forth!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/161473/Misc/MapJam5/MapJam5_Warren.jpg

The map doesn't have a unique hook either. I'M A REBEL.

The idea is that your minions are the enforcers preventing a break out from this underworld prison ... shoot and gib escaping monsters.

Various Shubs watch. 

... 

Oh, and since this was such a race to get working to submit it ... it's not even clipped properly. Also, expect many texture misalignments.

Enjoy! 

Ok, I have received entries from 8 peoples now. I have also received some updated maps which I have incorporated into the pack.

I am assuming that everyone that is going to submit a map has done so now. THIS IS THE FINAL CALL! :D

If you still have a map you want to submit you better send it damn quick!

confirmed entries are :

Arrrcee
FifthElephant
Ijed
MFX
Scampie (v2)
Skacky (v2)
Hypnos
Warren 

8 people is a solid turn out, nice everyone! 

Is the negke/Madfox collab 

 

 

are you going to play this one live ? :) 

lovely lighting 

pew pew 

Map Jam 5 is released : http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61200

Thank you to everyone who took part and helped test the pack! <3