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Quake Upstart Mapping Project Released
After our Beta phase and some tinkering, we are ready to release!

QUMP is a project aimed at getting new people to map for quake. Many of the mappers in this project had never made a quake map before, or had only made a couple. There are also some very early/old maps by more established mappers.

Get QUMP Here:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/p8r3d4k38fmkmrd/qump.zip

Screenshots

10 New Maps included:
Beginning - Pritchard
Bloody Sun - Danzadan / NewHouse
Citadel of Suffering - Topher
Manchester's Leftovers - Daya
Shadows of Our Forgotten Ancestors - Naitelveni
Stygian Waterways - Vingal
Sunken Cathedral - HexenMapper
The Dog Prison - Kres
The Three Towers of Tremendous Terror and Turmoil - Brassbite
The Real /vr/ Experience - Spud

Start Map - Newhouse

Special thanks to NewHouse for all his help with this project.
Thanks also to everyone who helped with playtesting, support and feedback.

Hope you Enjoy!
Nice One Guys. 
That's some dark evenings sorted then. 
Well Done You Lot :) 
I haven't played the maps yet but will do ASAP! I did want to say good job and well done on getting this thing out the door! It's impressive enough putting together a 10 map release but to do it while being new to Quake mapping makes things much more impressive indeed.

Well done and I'm hoping it wasn't so painful that we never see another map from any of you :) 
Oh Lovely 
Digging the oldschool vibe, will have to play later. 
Not First 
Cheers guys! It was a big challenge and I underestimated how big my map would get after finishing the final layout plan. I've gained the ability to use Trenchbroom, the very essential tool in my opinion. 
 
I didn't pay a lot of attention, but I think that I was the only person to submit a map that they had finished before QUMP was even announced. Compared to the efforts that everyone else has turned in, I feel quite insignificant! Someone should have started their map name with the letter A so that I didn't get top billing!

Good job everyone - I haven't even checked out any of the maps yet (I will right away though!) but I can already tell just from the screenshots that there will be some interesting sights to see. 
Congrats!!! 
I have tomorrow off work. Now I know what I will be playing. 10 maps... almost at 100! 
Re: #6 
I meant this.

GG Qumpers. 
H A P P E N I N G 
Oh man, it's finally dropped. I'm in the same position as Pritchard, having submitted a map (albeit a ridiculously tiny afterthought joke map) but waited to play the whole shebang until the official release, and the various screenshots and discussions have got me hyped somethin' fierce. 
Re: #6 #7 
Woah... what happens if we reach 100? Slipgates get invented?
Have Q1SP maps reached 100 in a previous year or is this some kind of unprecedented number? 
1997 
is the biggest year (in Quaddicted) 
How Many Of These... 
...maps were created in Trenchbroom?. Could we get a proper count please? No individual readme files! LOL. 
There Are Some Text Files - In / Maps / Source 
Definitely made in Trenchbroom:
qump_brassbite
qump_hexenmapper
qump_start
start
qump_spud

Made with J.A.C.K. + Trenchbroom:
qump_danzadan

Made with J.A.C.K.
qump_kres

Unsure:
qump_topher
qump_pritchard
qump_naitelveni
qump_daya
qump_vingal 
Great Work To Everyone! 
Individual comments on maps will come soon. For now, a first run demo for each map on hard skill.

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/demos/orl_qump.rar 
Cool! 
Nait's map was already released some time ago, though. Is this a new version? 
 
The BSP files from Naitelveni, Pritchard, Topher and Vingal have earlier dates than the ones in the beta release.

What happened? A rollback to a previous version? 
@Hexenmapper 
Woops! Didn't notice the Source folder. I really need that trip to the eye doctor. Thanks for tallying them up. 
 
Thanks for the feedback and demos Orl!

@Mugwump - I'm not sure, I assume its the same version

@Mankrip - I don't think any of those maps have been edited since the beta so its strange that they would have earlier creation dates, definitely no rollback as I only had 1 file for 2 of those maps and the other 2 haven't been updated since before the beta release 
Well Well. 
Some cool stuff here. Danzadan's atmosphere is cool and final combat had me sweating. Vingal's theme and quakey feel was very nice, again the metal catacomb had me nervous! Played a couple of others, more comments later. 
HexenMapper's Map Video 
YouTube

Almost half an hour, because I've got lost for over five minutes trying to figure the way underwater.

By the way, this is a 16:9 480p video, because higher resolutions would stutter when capturing. I've experimented a lot with different settings over the last days, and this is the best video quality I can get with my current computer.
When I get around to buying a computer with a Ryzen Threadripper I'll be able to record higher-res videos (already got the money, but no time for building the thing). 
Sweet 
looking forward to playing this. I played some of the beta but put it on the shelf after some bugs/crashes - I hope those have been all ironed out! 
Thanks For The Video Mankrip 
Your settings are very dark! and missing all the colored lighting is seems?

The darkness definitely wouldn't help in the underwater (and darkest) section. It was never supposed to be played this dark - perhaps sneak your brightness up a bit so it matches quakespasm at mid brightness?

Are you using the retroquad engine for this?

@killpixel
All major errors have been ironed out, all the map entrances and exits work and we're pretty sure all the maps are completable on all skill settings. (The streaming I've seen so far has gone flawlessly...) There are some very small detail things that aren't perfect, but the whole thing works and this is QUMP after all - it's not going to be 100% perfect but more of a casual project to encourage new mappers. That said I think it turned out great and all the mappers should be very happy with what they made! 
Mankrip 
My map (shadows of our forgotten ancestors) is from december 2016, its my first map, its made with trecnbroom. 
 
Danzadans map is amazing! 
 
Pritchard's map video

I've recorded this one in 4:3 720p, to see if the performance would be better than 16:9 720p, but there wasn't any noticeable diference.

16:9 480p has almost the same image quality, but is much smoother. I'll go back to recording at 480p in the next videos.

@HexenMapper:
Your settings are very dark! and missing all the colored lighting is seems?
[...]
Are you using the retroquad engine for this?


Yes. Retroquad doesn't have colored lighting.

The darkness definitely wouldn't help in the underwater (and darkest) section. It was never supposed to be played this dark - perhaps sneak your brightness up a bit so it matches quakespasm at mid brightness?

The darkness level is correct, and the brightness in the video is already twice the normal Quake values.

For some reason, hardware-rendered Quake engines are "washed out" when it comes to darkness. Shadows in them doesn't darken the colors as much as the original software renderer does, and you can confirm this by using the software-rendered version of Mark V.

Here are some lossless screenshots for comparison:

QuakeSpasm screenshot

Retroquad, 200% brightness, as in the video

Retroquad, 100% brightness

It's a common issue that many people aren't aware of, because most people don't even actually remember what the original software renderer actually looks like, and almost no one bothers to investigate subtle differences like this.

Also, YouTube re-encoding and compression sucks. When colors get blurred, the brighter colors gets darker because they're mixed with the darker colors. When actually playing the game, the darkest spots aren't that dark.

Maybe in the future I may try to replicate the brightness curve of the lighting of the hardware-accelerated engines, and add it as an option. 
#22 
I've manually checked the files' dates now, and they're all correct (the ones in the beta aren't newer). There must be something weird going on in Windows here then. 
Mankrip 
you're right, the darkness in that underwater section seems about the same. I guess its just above water where the light seemed a bit different.

This Is quakespasm on the left with mid brightness, and your video on the left - you mentioned youtube darkening somewhat, so this will probably be a factor.

I do remember opening original quake in dosbox recently and remarking how much darker it looked, and have since adjusted my quakespasm brightness down a little to match.

Cheers for the videos, I've linked them to the QUMP crew and we'll keep an eye on your channel! 
 
your video on the *right 
#26 
quakespasm on the left with mid brightness

I've experimented with Quakespasm's settings, and found out that what you call "mid brightness" is actually 50% brighter than the default. Your Quakespasm screenshot actually matches gamma 0.75, with the Quakespasm's maximum brightness in the options menu being 0.5.

But Quake's default "gamma" cvar value is 1, which matches the brightness curve in my video. 
Editors Used 
My map was made in Trenchbroom. As made evident by the __TB_empty I left all over the release. Oops. 
Comments And Crits 
In the interest of not stretching out the page and thread needlessly with 11,000 characters over three posts, here's <a href="https://mega.nz/#!lEwDEbqB!nGgu79_w5ODrh8CbvxXyanNxcyJ5KoPUQfDgHnfKdhY
">a zip with my demos and a moderate review of each individual map</a>. Overall lots of good ideas, designs and scenarios and hats off to everyone involved- it was worth the wait. 
For Real This Time 
Ahh fuck, I deleted a couple letters and screwed up the proper link. Let's try that again and pretend the previous post didn't happen. 
Cheers Spud! 
Some awesome feedback, thanks for the demos too :) 
I Used TrenchBroom 
Also there was supposed to be a teleporter at each voids, but somehow they never triggered once I reworked the map before the deadline. I'll look into it. 
Finished. 
I think:

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/demos/shump_qump.zip

Extra brief comments:

Hexenmapper: good layout and use of underwater areas, fun gameplay. Some bad textures and wasted spaces.

Daya: Good layout, transition in sub-level1 was very cool, interesting and effective blend of ideas. Bad lighting / textures in first part and void was a bit annoying with the ground details.

Naitelveni: Great stuff, loved the style and designs, kept all the areas interesting. Final bit seemed unnecessary.

There might be more but I forgot. 
 
New video. This time I've beaten this map.
Naitelveni's map: Shadows of our Forgotten Ancestors

The only other maps that my buggy engine could run properly were the start map and the "secret" map. 
So. 
Generic feedback for new / Qump mappers.

1. Design theme coherency (details, structures, angles) is at least as important as texture theme coherency.

2. Texture combinations need to be treated carefully. There are some pretty grim textures out there, you don't have to use them.

3. When applying textures, don't think in terms of texturing a surface. Think in terms of what that actual structure / material is.

4. Bigger is not necessarily better. Better is better. Don't expand the map and add extra areas until the core is awesome.

5. Straight-up arenas can be fun but they're not Quake at it's finest and shouldn't be relied on.

6. Subtle use of fog / coloured lighting is great.

7. Secrets and off-route items are great.

8. Non-linearity is great.

9. Novel designs and themes are great as long as they're in accordance with 1 & 2.

10. Most mappers, even new ones, seem to have got to grips with fun, meaty combat. This is good. 
 
enjoyed Danzadans too, thinner metal bars/details would look cooler imho tho, rest to be played 
 
Thanks for the feedback and demos Shambler.

@Mankrip Any idea what's preventing the other maps from running in retroquad? 
 
thanks for the feedback, demos and stream.

if you want a challenge, my map in nightmare is pretty hard.

in any case the map it's intended to be a bit hard
you can try the map in easy. it's easier mainly because i put extra quads 
 
oh, and i did the map with trenchbroom too 
HexenMapper 
Retroquad is just very buggy, there's lots of experimental code and unfinished stuff that will crash when used.

It also doesn't have most of the extended limits of other engines, but there's no point in extending the limits of a buggy engine. 
BTW. 
Massive congratz on firstly getting a pack this size organised and released (an epic feat in itself!), and secondly to all the mappers for making some generally good / very promising maps. You guys are showing a lot of potential and creativity and certainly good mapping for early / first maps. Keep it going, keep refining your work :) 
Cheers Shambler 
I'm sure many of the mappers will continue and hone their skills, we may also look at doing a QUMP 2 some day.

I certainly learned a lot about how not to run a project with this one. 
 
looking at a few screenshots the maps could benefit from a touch of fog to saturate the color over distance similar to real life, its really good effect atmospherically even if it used only subtle enough to not really notice when its on but you notice when its off. 
#44 
This made me realize that one of the reasons why people love fog so much may be because many people increase the "gamma" brightness in the options menu, which results in washed colors with less saturation.

The Quake palette is actually very saturated. 
Going To Be Playing Through This In About 3.5 Hours 
Live Now. 
With all the lolz. 
 
thanks for the streat ionous, very enjoyable! 
My Demos... 
Part 1 On The Quake Grave 
Hey guys, just letting you know that Part 1 of the project is up on The Quake Grave here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozh-0rBIK6k

I unfortunately don't have a lot of time at the moment to type out notes for everyone but I do have some things to chat about during each maps playthrough. In the end, I think everyone so far has made a really fun map!

I talk a lot about what makes a map look dated versus contemporary in 2017, but who knows, I could be full of it. I'm not much of a quake mapper at all, so keep that in mind as well, I just know what I like and what i think looks dated versus contemporary. =)

Part 2 out next week! 
Good Stuff 
Great to see this finally released.
Some nice beginners' maps in here, cheers to everyone involved. The maps show potential to varying degrees and I hope to see more from each one of you in the future!

brassbite: Three distinctly themed (colored) towers is a neat idea. There's nothing to really set them apart, though, either visually or in terms of gameplay. They all look very plain; long staircases with repetitive, predictable monster placement and weak weapons for most of the map which gets boring quickly. Try to spice things up with variation to encounters and side areas.

Danzadan: Somewhat unique theme. I kind of felt like the red star-shaped things should have had seams or some sort of trim around them for a more distinct look. The end fight is a nice touch. I like how the player has a choice of how much action at once he's willing to take by pressing either one button at a time, or multiple ones in succession (or by accident). The final phase of the fight is cool, but also tricky. Only works in combination with the fog. I survived by luck. Seems like it's just a bit too hard with darkness + all tough enemies + supplies only at the (clippy) center.

Daya: Good layout, cool "twist" and broken city parts, but excessive monster density in every area, though maybe that's also because I played on hard skill. The end fight is absolute crap- small area, no cover, wtf? I managed to not find a single secret, heh. The glass texture looks out of place.

Hexenmapper: The map's setting is clearly visible. Visually a proper 1997 vibe. Some strange texture combinations, but not an issue. Construction is boxy for obvious reasons, so for next time you can try some vertical shifts/angled parts and a tighter grip on scale. GJ on organizing this pack!

Kres: Good theme, nice details. Didn't like the colored lighting which looks off in many areas. I managed to miss the grenade launcher for the longest time, it's almsot hidden away from sight around the corner. Went to look for it when I couldn't proceed further and eventually found it. Again arenas with little to no cover and clippy bits...

Naitelveni: Nice one, combining classic'ish style with a touch of modern'ish details (e.g. broken bits). Combat feels a bit chokepointish and I would have wished for a better weapon earler- feels like I did half of the map with the shotgun. The small outside area left of the start room looks like it would have been a good place for the DBS. I thought the final area would have worked well connected to the rest of the map in a natural way somehow...ish.

Pritchard: A little bit like a speedmap. Not much to say... The first of many!

Spud: negke badge of approval.

Topher: Feels like a sort of experiment with setpieces rather than a consistent map. Not complaining, of course. I got a bit of an arena fatigue (also thanks to the other maps before). I think it would have felt better if it was an enclosed valley or canyon-type of setting instead of a space map-like one; and in my view it looks better without the fog.

Vingal: Good honest classic-style level. Very enjoyable. Shame about the misplaced flame fixtures, though. Wonder how something like this got past testing? Nice closets and areas opening up, and an intriguing secrets theme.

Start map: It looks cool, and I like how it picks up elements from each map for their respective exits. However, I found the layout to be overly complicated for my taste so I loaded the maps from the console. The first room in the map selection hub gave me a distinct Madfox vibe. :D


By and large, a good effort; and great idea to do a community project like this for people who would possibly otherwise be put off by the jams or their deadlines. Vingal's and Naitelveni's maps were my favorites, I think - not least because they don't (mis)use colored lighting.


Demos (protocol 666)

At the risk of sounding like a broken record: most of the maps have items falling out and monsters partially stuck in walls. These issues can easily be indentified by using the developer 1 command before loading the map so that game will print warning messages in the console. 
 
Thanks for playing ArrCee, some great feedback. Glad you had fun! Look forward to the second installment. I definitely agreed with a lot of what you said.

Cheers for the feedback too negke, very helpful. 
About The Shifted Flame Sockets In Vingal's Map 
The reason for their incorrect placement is empty origin fields on the func_illusionary entities. It is some TB thing where empty fields are kept instead of being removed. Some entities even have doubly empty fields "" "". This causes Quakespasm to get confused about their position. It does not seem to be a problem in Fitzquake, for example. At any rate, it's something to watch out for.

I made some quick hotfix for this (which also fixes some item and monster placement conflicts): qump_vingal_entfix.zip
Just drop it in the maps directory alongside the .bsp and make sure QS has external_ents 1 (default). 
Negke. 
Needs to beta-test every new release. Nuff said. 
 
It is some TB thing where empty fields are kept instead of being removed. Some entities even have doubly empty fields "" "". This causes Quakespasm to get confused about their position.

This is why brush entities tend to be fucked up at random in my retrojam6 map :( 
On Clipping 
Some clarification on my "clippy" comments. Wasn't meant as nitpicking but rather to point out a common problem to keep in mind.

Quake's style and architecture is big and chunky, so naturally part of the player's required skillset is the ability to 'mind his surroundings' at all time. So better stay clear of that support beam on the wall when there's a fiend approaching... Having said that, the physics can be quite dodgy and can easily make for awkward or frustrating situations. The player (as well as monsters and items) is basically a box, 32*32*56 units. And this is how he clips to the world.

Obviously, you don't have to go nuts with clip brushes and turn the map into a smooth pipe. But sometimes clipping geometry helps to make life easier for the player. In tight corridors or arenas, for example. Nothing is more annoying than getting stuck on some protruding or recessed wall part and get cornered by enemies. The AI, too, can benefit from clipped off obstacles sometimes. You know how dumb it is.
The same goes for the floor, and this needs to be stressed. Since the player is a box at high speed, small height variations can make for a bumpy ride, especially if it's some small depression, like for instance a lowered 64*64 grate in the floor. Imagine the player box walking over there, dropping down, then immediately having to go up the step again. This can impede movement or even stop it altogether. Again, not nice when fighting monsters. Check out the wodden stairs in Naitelveni's map for a particularly nasty example of dodgy Quake physics.

It's not only during combat, though. Essentially any place where it can inconvenience the player, so for example also on narrow walkways, staircases, jumping sections, and so on.
You shouldn't use steps higher than 16 units and if there are stairs or platforms of varying heights next to each other, like some open L-shaped staircase where the walking diagonally over the corner would be too high, sometimes a thin 'service clip' can help to avoid the player getting stopped where it looks like he should be able to get across.

Just a couple of examples; there are more of course. All to be taken with a pinch of salt. Although invisible, some good clipping adds polish to a map. 
Wot He Said... 
:) 
Спасибо 
Cheers for the info on the brushes there negke, good points on the clips as well. There was one area I noticed in naitelveni's map where clip brushes would have been nice (the broken tiles at the start), but he had lost the map file so geometry edits weren't really possible.

Clip brushes are great and I certainly learned how key they are during this project. A bumpy ride is not nice! 
 
Some entities even have doubly empty fields "" "". This causes Quakespasm to get confused about their position.
I'll look into this, can you give me map coordinates that show something rendered differently between Fitzquake and QS? 
 
The "" "" entries don't seem to be a problem; origin" "" ones on brush entities seems to cause trouble. Example in Vingal's map: (520 2300 60) - from the cave you start in, walk down the corridor and through the door, then just to the left there's a floating illusionary. You can find these in several areas. 
Thanks Negke 
I don't see anything wrong at 520 2300 60 which is near the demon face:
https://i.imgur.com/gebZYms.jpg

but these torches right before the first door are missing their holders:
https://i.imgur.com/epFINpS.jpg

The holders disappear with QS 0.92.1 win32, and are visible with Fitz0.85
and QS 0.92.1 macOS so it's some kind of nasty platform-dependent thing. will post further in the QS thread when I see what exactly is happening. 
Thanks For Finding This Issue! 
I saw the problem in development and caused me intermittent issues on some entities where I had to remove this empty origin field (some mass manipulation gone wrong I'm guessing). Never saw the issue on the final version though and ignored the compile warnings about the remaining empty fields - what a mistake...

I'm going to clean up my .map file from those empty fields and recompile tommorow evening. Right now, the new tyrutils version I have installed (0.15.11) is finding leaks with func_details that it didn't find before (valid leaks mind you!). 
Vingal 
No need for a complete compile, the .ent file I provided should be just fine for playing. If you do want to update the .bsp, you can simply rename the .ent file to .map and run qbsp -onlyents qump_vingal and light -onlyents qump_vingal which will only update the entity lump without rebuilding the whole bsp. 
 
or use adquedit to load the .ent file into the .bsp

http://quaketastic.com/files/tools/windows/misc/ADQUEDIT_v6_beta.zip

I fixed naitelvenis trigger_changelevel this way. 
Part 2 On The Quake Grave 
Just letting you all know that I put up Part 2 with the next 5 maps, can you find it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNTAWMaViDc

The maps in Part 2 are from Naitelveni, Pritchard, Spud, Topher and Vingal. Nice work everyone, looking forward to your future maps! 
@65 
Oh man, I was looking forward to this, especially after Part 1 which had me shouting "Use your grenades, you fool!" at the screen more than once. Really enjoy your videos in general, you've showcased a number of weird or odd older maps that I normally wouldn't have looked at twice.

get completely destroyed by a Shambler protecting a desktop computer. Yea, I dunno either.
he he he

Also, someone already commented on the video with something about SOON™ being a DUSK reference, which it definitely isn't so not sure what he's going on about. 
@66 
HA! I'm sure you're not the only one shouting at the screen at me. I get comments about it often. Glad you dig the playthroughs though. =)

Yea, I wasn't sure if he was on the money or not with the TM, as I just thought it was a silly joke.

Nice work on your map though, always fun to have something like this thrown in and break up the status quo! 
Thanks ArrCee 
I thoroughly enjoyed watching! 
Thanks For This Episode! 
After playing this through, i must say it's a nice thing and i hope you guys make a few more maps. The variety that this episode offered is a nice refreshing thing.

Greetings,
TKJ. 
Keres You Owe Me A New Heart.. 
Holy hot damn Keres' map was insane. Got through by the skin of my teeth multiple times.

demo : https://www.dropbox.com/s/52lantcd2um7yuc/daz_keres.zip?dl=0 
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