OGG support, please!



Hey, how does everyone else pronounce this engine's name?

I was on Discord talking with a guy who is doing some Quake streaming on Twitch (twitch.tv/dirtgod) and he was saying "Mark 5" but I always say "Mark Vee" ... :? 

 

I was born in MCMLXVIII 

Yeah, V is the Roman Numeral for 5, but with Mortal Kombat X, for example, X means 10, but the official pronunciation is "Ex" (says Eb Boon: https://twitter.com/noobde/status/473572797684256768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw ) 

X is 10 because V is 5 and X is an upside-down V with another V above it. 5+5=10. 

This is a case of video game marketing and communities ignoring an ancient numbering system from one of the most powerful empires in history.

Who wins this one?

:) 

Download: Windows | Direct X | Linux | WinQuake (Plus a WinQuake GL for KillPixel and a couple of others)

Source code: here iPad/iPhone source code is in there.

* Full multi-touch iPad/iPhone source code for an experience rivaling Minecraft for the iPad in user-interface.

** Drag look just like Minecraft
** Adjust sliders in the Quake menu by touch
** Optional support for bluetooth keyboards like the $7 ones at Walmart that support iPhone and Android.
** Tap fire. Double tap on the Ogre to fire at him if you like.
** 5 taps to host a "New Game" (cooperative).
** At the moment, it is the WinQuake build, can't muster up the stamina for the Open GL at the moment.
** Thanks to Mark V LAN discovery borrowed from Spike's fine work, "Join Game" for a LAN game is a breeze, just like Minecraft.
** Any map that works in Mark V, works on the iPad. But the iPad gets lower frame rates than a desktop, so standard Quake maps are plenty fast but it is likely that a 400 monster map with open spaces would run unacceptably slow.

* Mouse-driven menu on Linux and in WinQuake

* Touch Screen mode that I hope works on, say, Fifth's Surface Pro. All builds have a touch screen option in video options. Unfortunately, I do not have Surface Pro so there is not multitouch support, I would not be able to test it.

* Direct3D sbar alpha works thanks to MH's tip.

I may or may not take a quick stab at an Android port. If I were to do such a thing, it would likely be basically done in a 48 hour period. My main concern is that I think for Android I was use SDL2 and if I recall, SDL2 had a sound lag issue for me on Android -- and if it sound lag, I would be irritated.

This is Part 1. Part 2 comes in a few days, has nothing to do with mobile devices.

@Tribal - I took a quick look at the qmb_blood option, isn't quite the quick fix I had hoped. Thanks for the bug report. 

The LAN discovery feature is good news! As for iPad support I am... bemused but entertained? :-) I am inclined to steal my wife's iPad mini to check it out, altho looks like I'll need to figure out how to build it? 

But I can't think of a use for multi-touch unless the Win10 build also has the touch controls for movement. 

Impressive. Congrats.

And I was concerned with your health... Coding and drinking doesn't go well for me, so I never drink. 

"Unless the Win10 build also has the touch controls for movement."

It does!

Video Options -> Touch Screen

Without multitouch, you can only touch one thing at a time, which sucks compared to the iPad version where you can press 3 things on the screen at the same time.

@johhny - To build for an Apple device, you have to have a Mac. My source code is friendly, you literally click "Build". But the sticking point is having a Mac. Plus, iOS has some new red tapes that iOS 9,8,7 didn't and the project probably doesn't meet those red tapes so you might have small chores like making a 98x82 icon and a 196x163 icon and 10 other pesky nuisances like that.

That being said, playing on the iPad version is un-fucking believable. When I got the multitouch interface working right and then loaded it up, I was not prepared for the level of awesome. 

Thanks! Nah, my health is 2x awesome.

I encountered Level 92 frustration developing this version, it was so frustrating at one point.

I had to get real tough and prepare for a dog fight in the mud. Obviously, I rose to the occasion. Besides, can't have mh or Spike thinking I'm not hardnosed like they are, haha! 

multitouch is surprisingly useful for touchscreens even if not explicitly needed by the app's UI, just for example having it not ignore a second tap because your finger from the first tap hasn't fully lifted off the screen yet, or, not completely ignoring everything you do because your hand holding the edge of the tablet is slightly touching the screen edge. 

On an iPad, you can touch 16 things at the same time.

If mh reads this, he may recall I implemented his "single point of checking mouse state per frame" mouse input paradigm long, long ago in Mark V. This version of Mark V extends that philosophy to the touch controls activation/deactivation and it was at first a major nightmare, but then it collapsed in simplicity and beauty after a dozen revisions. 

I have the multitouch tracking everything.

The user interface only acknowledges one press per button where the whole screen is a separate button.

To access the menu, you press a transparent triangle hint in the top left corner.

A funny thing, I was thinking of you off and on while writing this. To the best of my knowledge, you and Sleepwalker are the only other 2 that I know for sure is familiar with the ins and outs of the Apple interfaces and while well conceived, they required quite a bit of learning to use properly. 

... a new OpenGL build, right? That's the one I am religiously using! 

Is there something that the DirectX 9 doesn't do or some specific reason it doesn't meet your needs?

The DirectX 9 version is, in my view, absolutely superior in every way.

It is:
1) Does everything that the Open GL does (99.9% on that).
2) Vastly higher frame rates that blow away any other Quake engine except DirectQ and only eeks out a small win against FTE Open GL (FTE Direct3D likely beats Mark V Direct 3D because FTE has better rendering code). MH's extreme craftsmanship of the Direct3D 9 wrapper allows Mark V Direct 3D super-speed despite the fact I should rewrite the underlying rendering to probably get another 75% to 100% speed gain.
3) Bad Open GL drivers? NVidia doing a wacky update -- Direct 3D is immune! Can't happen. So stability + reliability +++. I get a bit tired of NVIDIA doing some update and it breaks something in Open GL, but the Direct X cannot be updated by NVIDIA (this is my understanding at least, and I think I am right).

Those are my thoughts. 

What does your Linux version use? I'm clueless on this stuff but hope to have a Linux machine up sometime soon. Also any clue as to why I am getting a waterwarp size is 1024 message in developer 1? No liquids? 

Hmm. Lots of duplicate symbol errors when linking the iOS build, conflicts between input_surface.o and various other .o files.

My first guess was that it might have to do with eval_flags/eval_frags being declared as int rather than extern int in progs.h, but changing that didn't help anything that I could see.

Will give it another whack later. 

I think that message comes from code I wrote. I'll review it hopefully tomorrow and see what the cause might be. 

I use Ubuntu but the Linux binaries works on a fair number of other Linux distributions, or so different Linux users have said.

@ johhny - if I recall, there are 288 source files but if sometimes seeming randomly -- like maybe if it targeted the simulator or a generic device? -- XCode would try to compile 568 files. I plugged in an iPad and targeted that and it works fine. I am using XCode 8.2, I think the current version is 9.2 and since it seems like every XCode upgrade introduces some quirks/inconveniences to tackle, I put off upgrading a bit. Short version: Couldn't quite say, 

OK. I'm targetting simulator at the moment. Will wait until later when I can plug in the iPad. 

@johnny ... be sure create a folder called id1 in Documents on the iPad and throw pak0.pak (and pak1.pak) in there.

I can't remember the method to put files on an iPad offhand.

Note to self: Use Mark V http download offer to download pak0.pak or something on startup if it doesn't exist in the next revision. 

I have taken a quick look at the Direct X build and it seems to look and behave just like the OpenGL one, so I stand corrected with my prejudices. I cannot say much about speed differences, but it feels smooth alright.

Still missing my favorite gl_nearest_mipmap_linear option, but besides that, it's all fine.

Is this build capable of running all the new maps of Arcane Dimensions now, btw?