> Linux can do non-gui things just fine.

I'm starting to think many OSS are a refuge for kiddy programmers who can't near any software-design in their real job.

But they *can* code. So, presto, ten million technically decent free apps - all with horrible GUIs - that generally break after a few revisions because of their no-design or aimlessness. 

But better than having your arse owned by win10 and microsoft. OS X is still the way for anyone without an IT degree imho.

And the Gimp *is* decent software. That's why this hideous trivial thing hurts. 

Thanks mh, I will try that.

Horrible GUI design you say? How about Windows requiring you to select files before you can right-click them? Resizing windows requires you to find the few pixels of the border instead of allowing ALT+left/right-drag. Can you even pin windows to the front?

Oh, and MacOS? It's always fun trying to figure out which file you pick when Finder just displays like 20 characters of its name. Not to mention that the yellow and green window control buttons never do what I expect them to do, super unintuitive.

Now someone make a user-friendly GUI for Quake engines please. 

carmack actually wanted to ship quake with just the console and no menu at all 

carmack actually wanted to ship quake with just the console and no menu at all

I imagine the facepalming that was going on at the publisher's office after that was probably measurable on the Richter scale. 

Very much like the recent posts in this thread :-P 

 

"carmack actually wanted to ship quake with just the console and no menu at all"

Really? Where'd you read that, I've never come across that before. 

(industry sources) 

So .. yeah. 

You are probably right.

Most Windows free applications are at least partially commercial.

For instance, WinRAR.

I don't agree about OS X.

The only decent text editor that I know of for OS X is written in Java (which means they aren't "into" OS X, but rather Java runs on everything so ...)

Keep in mind, there are probably 30 killer GUI text editors for Windows.

Apple knows how to software engineer. And they have vastly improved on documentation, but it pales compared to Windows.

And although Windows 8 and Windows 10 are muddying up the water away from historically what Microsoft is strong at, ignoring security as a factor, Windows 10 is still light years ahead of OS X.

/Again, one opinion. Probably wrong. 

OSX has Sublime, TextWrangler, BBEdit - and that's just off the top of my head not having used a Mac in several years. Text editing is something that's well handled. 

How about Windows requiring you to select files before you can right-click them?

Unless you mean something else than I think you do that has worked as long as I can remember?

Can you even pin windows to the front?

Seems to be up to the app or use of external software. 

on Linux - i can edit my fstab with Libre Office, cough.

Actually, i did try out Libre Office for the first time. Straight away i noticed nasty, stupid bugs i'd never seen on Open Office. So it smells like shitware to me. ??

I tried out a few old boxes this week. Win95/Cyrix laptop - shutdown to an "illegal instruction" message.

And found a copy of my Fedora 7 (on my backup tower with an overclocked E5200) with it's super snappy kde-3.5. Yay <3 

I like it better than OpenOffice on OS X, at least. But it doesn't really matter, since they're all shit. 

Never had a problem the bit I need to use it. What are these, "bugs"? No worse than of the other free office suites. 

..on Linux then you would ever need. I usually just use geany. 

Yeah - on linux the IDEs are just as crappy as most other stuff - everyone has to use vim/etc and man pages. IDEs are so complicated - a serious investment in resources on both sides.

Had to take my Yamaha sound card out cause QS wouldnt work on Mint17/drive-me-crazy-F-ing-Pulse-Audio. But no diff anyway since my TCL amplifier blew up and i'm using $20 logitech speakers now. 

Geany looks ok 

I almost have my new OS sorted.
But fmd, it took me *ages* to find where gzdoom had saved my games so i could continue them. ... Alongside a few other ground-breaking apps in $HOME/.config/ Hey - why not just follow 50 years of unix common-use and put them in .gzdoom (where it once was) you freaking idiots. Laugh.

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/GNOME 

As much as I appreciate the work that goes into keeping Linux as relevant as possible I really fail to see why anyone would adopt Linux other than to just mess around.

I actually bought a rasperry pi, messed about with Linux for a few weeks and now it's collecting dust. 

Linux on a server is a very valid proposition, but one must be wary of the tendency to think that "Linux is good for a certain very specific type of server, so therefore it must be equally as good for all other types too".

Linux on a desktop is barmy. It will never happen because the Linux community is too fragmented, whereas a single vision is needed to dominate the desktop. Distro wars, editor wars, source control wars, brace style wars - the Linux community will tear itself apart with infighting sooner than succeed.

It can't be a coincidence that the one place where Linux (in the strictest definition, i.e the kernel) has been successful is in the mobile space, where Google had the vision to rip the user-hostility and Unix-isms out of the interface, and the corporate muscle to put it out there and market it properly. 

is the kind of statement that makes me sad. I mean, people not in charge of any corporation helping to validate such mindset. 

If you are using Linux like the typical Mac user (5 programs), it works pretty fucking great for anyone. 

Unless you a laptop, in which case you'll have half the battery life and constantly spinning fans. And of course god help you if you decide to use a recent driver for your video card because you'd like to play a game or something.

I have really tried to like Linux on the desktop because I'm getting fed up by Apple's policies, but it's just not usable for me, and if someone like me cannot use a Linux system without major hassle (like editing various config files and restoring broken drivers), then I highly doubt the "typical Mac user" could, and in particular if god forbid they'd like to run it on their Mac computers.