we need to get Kell back here 

but rather something that's close to it (e.g I want the movement flow to be as fluid as Q1, if not as close, without strafe jump and bunnyhopping, as I want to implement stuff like sliding, wallrun and slide boosting [this game's equivalent to strafe jumping, for now, where you jump off a slide and you keep momentum]). If Darkplaces can deal with skeletal animation and ragdoll physics and alpha textures, as well as replicating quakespasm's texture filtering (I swear it has the best for low-res textures, then maybe it has something to do with the new compilers) AND on top of being usable by TB2, I'll be all over it. Though also if the HUD can be customized, because being forced on using the Q1 one as a hard-coded basis would be troublesome.

Now if Unity can make brush-based mapping (I remember a prototyping tool that seemed to have grid-based brushes) I could look more into it, considering what you guys are telling in terms of coding. Then again there's this Dusk game that's using Unity so I might look into it, although from what I've seen the details are on par with Q1 rather than Quakespasm stuff.

Still, this brings me hope, but now I'm on the fence on two softwares. DP is rooted in Quake technology, but this also comes with limitations, while Unity 

announce it early, so people can make really ambitous maps that hold true to knave standards?
Why not?

The theme is best quake imo. 

Discarded, try again with a name. 

Im up for a knave jam.

Arcane Dimensions or at the very least, Quoth, please. 

If it's going to be a celebration of the Contract Revoked themes then Quoth is the only option. 

who else could trigger you so bad, heh? 

Now if Unity can make brush-based mapping (I remember a prototyping tool that seemed to have grid-based brushes)

If you are set on using Unity you'll be far better off doing it properly and learning actual mesh-based modelling, rather than using some "brush" tool someone wrote for Unity that will just be generating highly unoptimised meshes anyway. 

Lost Chapters source code | Lost Chapters Source Release Post

Lost Chapters being the sequel to Contract Revoked.

Completely possible to do a faithful to the original Contract Revoked theme map, since Lost Chapters was open sourced. 

I thought that was lost forever when the 2005 expo went down!

Thanks Baker. 

But then how is the Dusk guy doing it?

I'd like to emphasize this for DP, can the HUD be entirely customizable? Last time I looked at a DP-based game the layout was the exact same as Quake, making me fear the HUD being hardcoded carries over DP. 

here are some games using DP:

SteelStorm

Blood Omnicide

Xonotic

Warsow

there are more out there including a bunch of smaller projects. 

Do the Warsow developers know they are using DarkPlaces?

That would be an interesting conversation. 

here:

http://www.moddb.com/engines/darkplaces-engine/games 

My mistake, it's qfusion. I could've sworn they were using DP at one point. 

Warsow used qfusion. 

Referring back a few posts...

If you really want to do brush-based mapping (or at least layouts) for a modern engine, http://hammuer.nte.be/ lets you import .vmf or .map files into the Unreal editor. 

Is my DarkPlaces favorite project:

http://www.moddb.com/games/retroblazer/images/screenshot1#imagebox 

Ohhh... I didn't knew it's on Darkplaces!
Sadly development died... 

and func is the only website that loads up because it's the most optimised and the connection is too shit to load anything else. 

Try loading the entire General Abuse thread 

 

after seeing those examples. I might use it afterall.

But one last thing just to be sure: is Quakespasm's way of filtering texture an usual one? Can it be replicated by DP? Can tyrustil's (and others) compilers be used for a commercial game? 

in theory yes.

in practice, I'd use unity. 

then I'd settle with DP.
But then I've seen that TB2 can export map files into wavefront 3d models, meaning they can be used by Unity as a single model, meaning using Unity *and* TB2 is possible.
The downside I see with this is the back and forth with converting files and testing maps. If the map I test in Unity is wrong in the original map files, I have to edit in TB2 and then convert it.

Is brush-based maps in Unity that buggy? Because I'm wondering how the guys behind Dusk are doing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqUiJpITMS0

Another thing I'm wondering about TB2: since my game won't have a palette limit, can TB2 use .wad files (or texture pack files rather) that doesn't hold a palette limit?