#4706 posted by [Kona] on 2012/06/03 01:01:37
Oh real Spirit? From animated classics Finding Nemo and Wall-E... that's a shame that particular directors' belly flopped on his first live action.
Does anyone watch Once Upon A Time? I quite like it. Robert Carlyle is such a good method actor, he needs more movie parts.
 Prometheus 3D
#4707 posted by RickyT33 on 2012/06/03 16:02:15
I liked it. Many probably wont. Roll on the sequel.
 God Help Us
Ricky liked it!
 It's Pretty Ambiguous
#4709 posted by RickyT33 on 2012/06/03 17:32:41
ambiguous
 I'm Looking Forward To It.
 Prometheus
#4711 posted by erc on 2012/06/04 15:00:16
Highly disjointed. A prequel should have had some answers to the origin of the said species, instead Prometheus goes for a half-assed attempt to tackle on genesis theories than does not come up with any meaningful explanation. The opening scenes promises an epic to return to thought-provoking and slow-moving sci-fi of the seventies (coupled with breathtaking visuals), but all hope dies as you witness the cringe-worthy dialogue and hollow, emotionless scenes played out by a terrible cast (save one).
Too many plot holes, illogical motives, laughable characterization. It doesn't add anything worthy to the saga and it doesn't do well as a standalone movie. Too many ideas stacked into two hours. My best bet is that it was butchered in the studio and a Director's Cut may do it justice. Alas, as it is in the case of Alien 3 and its Assembly Cut, the deleted scenes won't turn the movie into an epic as the script is badly-written to begin with (its like two parallel movies in one), but it may become more tolerable than the Theatrical version.
After seeing this, I don't have high hopes for the upcoming Blade Runner prequel which is also a brainchild of Ridley Scott.
 Scott Has Said He Had Final Cut
#4712 posted by nitin on 2012/06/04 16:08:26
so I doubt theres another better cut out there.
Btw, for those into slow burn arthouse fare, Once Upon a Time in Anatolia is a must see.
 That's Too Bad
#4713 posted by Tronyn on 2012/06/05 01:55:11
Ridley Scott's legendary reputation seems to be based on his first 3 films, and everything else he's done has been "good" at best, I was kind of hoping he could do something groundbreaking again with Prometheus.
 Tronyn
#4714 posted by erc on 2012/06/05 09:02:52
It's still worth-seeing but it could (and should) have been much better. Set design, effects, camera-work and the use of 3D are top-notch. I believe Ridley does his part wonderfully in these respects. The fault lies within the script - that's mostly likely because the original, straight-up prequel story is highly revised later by 'that guy' who is most famous for his work on Lost series. There's barely any depth for characters, no background on their personalities and no motives explained for their actions - there isn't a single (human) being likeable or understandable. Besides, I don't think small gibberish talk and streetwise types are fit for scientists.
If you want a decent prequel that is lovingly made and pays the source work a commendable homage, as well as adding decently to what's established, ignore the low ratings and watch 2011's 'The Thing'. It's a great companion piece to Carpenter's '82 one.
 Trony
#4715 posted by nitin on 2012/06/05 13:41:01
his first 3 are probably his best but its a gross overstatement to say all of the rest are "good" at best.
 +1 To The Thing Prequel
#4716 posted by RickyT33 on 2012/06/05 15:39:03
#4717 posted by [Kona] on 2012/06/06 02:52:48
His first 3? The Duellist, Alien, Bladerunner? Never heard of the Duellist.
Well he does have some overrated movies in his arsenal... Thelma & Louise, 1942, GI Jane. In fact looking at his movies, there isn't that much above 'good'.
Out of his 22 movies, I'd consider these as great:
Alien
Bladerunner
Gladiator
Hannibal
Black Hawk Down
American Gangster
Body of Lies
Can't remember Matchstick Men at all, so I assuming I didn't think much of it.
Ridley may be a legend, but I suppose Nolan (and I'm definitely not a Nolan fanboy) already has 6 greats out of 7 movies (Following was the only non-great movie). Soon to add another with the next Batman movie.
 Totally
#4718 posted by Tronyn on 2012/06/06 04:45:30
Hannibal, I think, is actually underrated. Gladiator, overrated, haven't seen Black Hawk Down, American Gangster I'd say was only good, nothing standout, and Body of Lies looked alright but not interesting enough to watch. He needs to stop working with Russell Crowe, or Russell Crowe needs to get some of his old talent (ie The Insider) back.
Alien and Blade Runner are such genius, but the more I think about it, the more the real genius is really just set design in both films, putting you the viewer in that place. Alien in particular has a pretty minimal story, while all the cool ideas in Blade Runner come from Phillip K Dick. One might even argue that the neat ideas in Alien come from Giger and through him from Lovecraft. Whereas Nolan excels at scripts and ideas; he certainly has his faults but so far I've really liked all his films except Insomnia which was alright. "Following" is a gem and Memento is genius. I've never been interested in James Bond but if Nolan makes a James Bond movie (or a romantic comedy, lol) I'm there.
#4719 posted by [Kona] on 2012/06/06 05:12:06
Nolan doing Bond? Fuck I hope not, Bond is just popcorn over the top action. Although the last couple films with Daniel Craig has been better than the Pierce Brosnan crap.
Yeah Tronyn, you're right on that one - Alien and Bladerunner were all about the atmosphere and setting.
And yeah Ridley definitely needs to stop using Russell Crowe. Crowe I really liked in American Gangster because he wasn't the lead. And he was a flawed character. But he kind of annoys me too much for lead roles.
 Ridley
#4720 posted by nitin on 2012/06/06 12:52:02
has always been about atmosphere and setting, his better films just have a decent script in addition. Nothing to do with Russell Crowe.
Also, a lot of people have only seen the theatrical and rightly hated it, but the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven is excellent.
And The Duellists is awesome!
 But...
#4721 posted by bal on 2012/06/06 13:00:46
Prometheus was pretty bad. :(
Why do movies have to be made for stupid people. Seems like it wouldn't have required so much work on the script to turn it into a nice sci-fi film, just replace the bullshit with a bit of subtlety, and fix the nonsensical science.
 Seeing It Next Week
#4722 posted by nitin on 2012/06/06 13:22:47
cos it hasnt opened here in Aus yet.
 What's Wrong With
#4723 posted by bear on 2012/06/06 21:56:30
a trillion dollar science expedition that behaves like a bunch of tomb raiders?
Film is ok, but certainly flawed, like they had some themes and set pieces they wanted to use but couldn't be bothered making an effort when filling in the missing parts.
 Cargo
#4724 posted by erc on 2012/06/07 01:07:19
It looks like noone has mentioned this one yet. Low budget sci-fi from Switzerland that was released back in 2009. Small cast of characters, a nice promise, subtle yet effective set-design. Reminds me of Alien and Silent Running to a degree, even though it's nothing like those two (story and progression-wise). Recommended.
#4725 posted by [Kona] on 2012/06/07 02:39:32
i do enjoy a good sci fi, but horror is my favourite genre. will have to see cargo it looks good.
 Prometheus
#4726 posted by nitin on 2012/06/08 12:40:25
I quite liked it. Sure, the tie in to the Alien mythology is weak and problematic but th rest was pretty good.
Will take this over The Avengers anyday.
 Prometheus
#4727 posted by Tronyn on 2012/06/09 05:21:04
Over the Avengers, totally. I haven't seen that and I'm not going to, I disagree in principle with the idea that you can make a movie, but without a story, or with a story so predictable you basically don't have a story, or with a story that is an exact copy of a previous movie so that again, you basically don't have a story.
PROMETHEUS SPOILERS!!! DONT READ!!
Prometheus was good, though somewhat frustrating. I was disappointed by the aliens being humans, and by what they chose to explain (ie that) and not (ie everything else!). The new monsters weren't explained, characters behaved in ways that were stupid, inexplicable, and contradictory, even Fassbender's character which is the most interesting. The idea of a munitions dump is alright I guess, but it blows wide open the plot hole in the original xenomorphs-as-designed-bioweapons theory: WHY NOT JUST NUKE THEM. If you're powerful enough to design species on a whim, why would you bother creating evil parasites. I guess it could be psychological warfare, or some alien mad scientist who just wants to fuck with people. Finally, tying humans into the whole thing and having humans created, to me just totally contradicts the message of Alien: it's a huge universe out there and all kinds of beings and forces exist that it's really better not to mess with - tasty little mammal! This "search for human origins" "humans are special" thing makes it feel like Scott is trying to do 2001, which is what Alien originally was rebelling against.
Overall, better than any of the other sequels/tie-ins to the original Alien, including the overrated Aliens, but still kind of disappointing.
Best line: "I didn't think you had it in you."
 PS
#4728 posted by Tronyn on 2012/06/09 05:27:45
I would just like to add that I saw a preview for Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter before Prometheus, and it struck me as perhaps THE dumbest movie preview I have EVER seen. The concept is so idiotic it defies words; I could swear that the mix of America-glorifying bullshit, CGI, vampires, slow mo and epic music, 'meaningful' one-liners, with nary a hint that it was smart enough not to take itself seriously at all, was actually created as a joke. This can't be real.
 Tintin
#4729 posted by nitin on 2012/06/09 09:22:25
Remember loving the comics, dont remember this much ceasless exposition and non stop unbelievable action? Did they just amp the movie version to 11 or is my mmemory failing me?
 Your Memory May Very Well Be Intact
#4730 posted by bear on 2012/06/09 23:45:22
I wish anyone with a bag of money would at least think twice before handing it over to Spielberg to do another "adventure" movie after the last Indiana Jones and the Tintin movie.
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