This could turn into a habit, so I'll stop after these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZBA0SKmQy8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGooQ8yYC0c

:-D 

your latter post.

Aphex Twin tones don't form melodies and the rhythms don't sound nice either, almost random. Modern demoscene music is like that too. Hyperactive hihat hitting punctuated by an occasional BOOOOM (usually with clipping).

I grant it's different from the usual steady beat dance music. Hard to judge if it's better. Gets perhaps the artsy points.

It's like judging which art do you like more, a grid or random black and white splotches. Neither is exactly enjoyable.

Radiohead's Kid A is exactly what I'm talking about too. "Let's put everything through a million filters so it becomes just a dull duuuuuuuuuuuuu sound and we get rave reviews from the press how progressive and deep we are." I've never even listened the whole album through, just heard it over at a friend's place back when it was new.

I like some of the earlier guitar melodies and singing of Radiohead but mostly it's just such whiny music that it doesn't offer much to me personally. One of my friends likes that kind of stuff (coldplay, mew etc).

Chip tunes are probably the best electronic music I've heard so far. Well, there's also stuff like Jean Michel Jarre etc... The idea that there is actually some ambition with the composition and it's not just repetition or randomness.

This is all of course a matter of taste and how I perceive things personally. 

I dunno man, I get off on all sorts of music.

If its shit its shit. I go out of my way to see bands who play in my town's bars. I get a real mixed bag, and sometimes theres only one venue which will put bands on, on a Friday night, and they only allow bands to play chart music, (old or new) of a completely sterilized nature. I go and see those gigs if I know the guys who are actually playing are shit hot, and can make it really good (which happens about twice a year :-| )

If im chilling out I can listen to anything as long as its sincere and either hypnotically intense or relaxing

If im getting drunk I can listen to almost anything. Preferably rock music, but I really love some dance music too, I'm not into the really mainstream stuff with overly produced/processed female vocals, and the same shitty bland melodies/filters as all of the other similar stuff, but heavier dirty dance music is usually good or anything that just rocks.

I like Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd.

Kid A = bizarre. Completely new style of music, a little over complicated in places, a little too spaced on others.

The Bends = Much better! :-) 

i fucking love soulless repetitive crass loud electronic dance music with simplistic derivative melodies/pads & no singing. and i'm not ashamed to admit it 8)

it's like the musical equivalent of fast food. it may be cheaply created, lazy & lacking in nutrients but it tastes fucking great ;D 

it leaves a bad aftertaste 

don't get me wrong, i'm all for computer-is-an-instrument, but i'm totally against 'soulless repetitive crass loud electronic dance music' - and a lot of music is like that (house a year or so ago... :/) 

this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=MhZAFRaGHDs&feature=related 

Coldplay, as far as I can tell, is just a pop-based ripoff of Radiohead's style around the time of The Bends. I'm not interested in them whatsoever.

I guess there's no way to convince you that Kid A and The Bends should be enjoyed in two different ways. One's a rock album, the other's a trippy, weird sonic space (my god I sound pretentious - this from a guy whose favourite band has been Alice in Chains for almost 5 years). Even if you aren't interested in "How To Disappear Completely" and "The National Anthem," the follow-up Amnesiac seemed like less of an overall album, but it had better songs (to this day "Pakt Like Sardines in a Crush Tin Box" is one of my favourite songs.)

I realize that there is too much of a split between critics (if it's boring and pretentious, it's good) and the masses (if it's shallow and stupid, it's good), and therefore critics will rave over anything remotely weird/pretentious. But, not much you can do about it. 

megaman: I could imagine that music to be fun for dancing. A lot of fun actually.

And I love these pieces of 'soulless repetitive crass loud electronic dance music':
Ticon - We are the Mammoth Hunters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okAVHN2jZfM
Just like Project Balance - Tranceferia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3eNrdmsJF4 (bad sound)

Very monotone and repetitive and stompstompstompstomp. For me these are full of soul and emotion. It is ALL a matter of taste.

PS: Eurodance rules 

that's waaay too boring for dancing. one, two, one, two. :( 

Do you prefer to dance cha-cha-cha or walzer? 

ticon.. good call! although that's one of their weaker tracks imo. i love back to basic, in the dirt, some simple sounds, rip it up, spincycle.. plus loads of stuff from other scandanavian prog-psy acts like human blue, vibrasphere etc.. probably my favourite sound at the moment. pretty much everything john 00 fleming has been playing recently too.

i was a little tongue-in-cheek in using the soulless term.. tis indeed a matter of taste. a couple examples of (what i consider) soulful/emotional dance music:

http://play.saikosounds.com/m3u/091/59.m3u
http://play.saikosounds.com/m3u/07b/a3.m3u

although in a club i'm more likely to lose it to something like this:

http://play.saikosounds.com/m3u/095/9e.m3u 

damn that Ticon track is rocking my pants off...gg 

+1 vote from me :) 

Subcouds or astral projection would experiment a tiny bit with the rhythms it could be music. Or some of the newer things. I listen to it occasionally when doing something else.

It's like they force themselves inside this very very narrow cage.

A very small subset of electronic "music" is actually music. I understand why the extremely repetitive stuff only happens with computers, no musician could be forced to hit the bass drum completely constantly for ten minutes like that, damn it, even a retard would get creative.

So it serves some different bizarre purpose. Maybe generating some atmosphere. It isn't rhytmhic and doesn't generate any dancing urges with me.

I like a lot of classical and folk music.

As an example of a very simple rhythm track that gets me moving at the start of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fg-7Er5Tuc
(Ignore the visuals) 

 

Good thing the definition of music is open to everyone, i.e. the individual listener, and not solely to all those elitist "professionals". 

that these are only "for me" opinions and very provoking on purpose. :) 

The problem being, they are obviously very provoking on purpose... 

This is a forum with people cynical enough not to get worked up about my shit stirring. Internet reading comprehension is good. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icdnKydffZQ

:-) 

bambuz you are obvioiusly biased. nothing to discuss here. dont like it - dont listen.
but your laughable 'insights' of what counts as music are just annoying 

he has the right to piss on what he doesn't like. I mean, surely we can all agree that there's way too much music which is absolute shit out there which shouldn't even exist, the question is simply - what music is that?

I'm all for free speech and I'm all for using it to say that things I hate wouldn't even exist in a reasonable world.

Although I do like electronic music (a very mainstream, from the perspective of this board, style of it), I'm happy to see someone challenge this assumption. Pretentiousness is too strong of a force in Western society, people need to be able to say "Fuck that" and it's not just rednecks who do it. Too many intellectual and artistic trends are given a free pass because critics assume they don't understand. It's a service to society to bypass that assumption and just come up with a good old fashion "Fuck that." If the trend has merit people will be able to defend it. 

Too many intellectual and artistic trends are given a free pass because critics assume they don't understand. It's a service to society to bypass that assumption and just come up with a good old fashion "Fuck that."

That's very well put, and is going into my quotes.txt. Thanks! 

Can someone tell me, who played drums on Frank Zappa's Apostrophe' on the track 'Nanook rubs it'?

The wikip page for the album lists several drummers and doesn't specify for the track :(