Necros, you rule!!

I liked Crescendo of Dreams most out of the 3 full maps. Texture set/choice/work was absolutely first rate, lots of nods to doom in the design, I really enjoyed it.

Red777 was also good, the outdoor city section was the highlight there. I was a bit dissappointed by Rats in the Walls, but it was good fun blasting those zombies with the new gun. 

Had the most Doomish feel to me. It just totally reminded me of those urban Doom2 levels for some reason. The whole thing is r0x0r except for the very over-abundance of "1 gug then 2 gugs at once in super cramped area with no ammo" level finishing thingy. Gugs > droles at most annoying enemy now. Gotta hate that earthquake attack. 

It's also kinda annoying that "small weak basic monsters" shoot the most powerful things in quake like rockets (guided?).

that's why they do about 1/4 the damage of a regular rocket. ;)

their low HP means they won't survive long enough to fire more than a few rockets anyway, even with the shotgun. 

I still totally need help setting this up. I've put these files in like 6 different directories and nothing's worked yet. 

what version of gtk are you using? 

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Wait, yes there's text.
I tried putting everything in 3 different q1.game folders in the Program Files/GTKRadiant folder, and in 3 different folders in games/quake (I think it was quake, id1 and utils or something.) 

if you have q1 entities show up in gtkr, then just dump the def files into the same folder that the q1 def file is in. 

what HeadThump said.
I haven't used 1.5 at all, necros only very briefly. The usual location for defs is in Quake III Arena/baseq3/scripts
If you don't have Q3 installed - and GtkR isn't exclusively for Q3 anyway - do a search for where your current .def file is located, whether it's quake1.def, or chapters.def or entities.def
GtkR 1.4 has the feature to read multiple def files, presumably 1.5 does too.
I'll have a look around and see if there's any more info. 

That's what I did. quake1.def/chapters.def were in the directories I dumped the files into, but nothing new showed up. I still have the Chapters entities, but not Bob or anything. 

I am so fast at replying o_O 

board ate my post with a recursive sql error something -_-

the gist was: there is something wrong with your gtkr. i have about a dozen def files in my scripts folder and they all load.

you can try just copying all the new def file text into your old def file. if that doesn't work, then i have no idea. 

good stuff... though I wish the different knights were visually more different. The blobby monster is just annoying, but the other new ones are cool.

Loved the style on necros doom maps :) 

Deleted all my Quoth.def files to start over.
Deleted all my chapters.def files, and Radiant still had chapters entities.
Copied all of the stuff from the Quoth.def files into a quake.def file, copied that file over all my other quake.def files, and it still uses chapters entities but not the new Quoth stuff.
Damn you for teasing me with new stuff I can't create with! 

Worse comes to worse, just use a familar trigger, function, item, etc. then manualy rename it in the entity manager that pops up when you press 'N' when working in Radiant. I wind up doing that a lot anyway. 

if you deleted your chapters.def file and gtkr still had chapters entities, then you didn't delete all of them. otherwise, how was gtkr displaying those entities since you deleted them?

i'd search for all files *.def and see where the one that's actually being used is. 

I did a search "*.def" and manually deleted all chapters.def files it showed. I guarantee there are no chapters.def files on my system, but like I said I don't remember what I did to get chapters to work in the first place. 

i think you need to talk to spog or maybe an oracle. this is beyond my knowledge. :P 

After a weekend of full blown Quake and Doom lan partying, I come home and find this, but sleep had to come first damn, all refreshed, downloading now, sounds quite interesting. 

I really like the gug model. He is so cool, but I think some of his attacks feel a bit cheap.　The earthquake is particularly irritating, and the oozeball things are a bit tough to dodge somehow.

The flying imp things are ok, not really got much to say about them.

The super hell knights are sweet. Love the textures.

The base monsters are all ok I suppose, but not as good as the Zer ME. The drone (Bob) is crap though. I really didn't enjoy fighting bob. Too small, fast, makes annoying sounds, takes a fair bit of damage. Just irritating. Really fucked up my e1m1 quad (or triple damage) run too - totally disrupted the awesome adrenaline rush of that section and spoiled it for me completely :(

Bob as a helper drone would be cool. When I saw him on the quoth page I assumed he was a helper at first.

I like the old Koth monsters. The drole is awesome, and I don't think he needs to be changed.

The polyp is also very cool, but I can't figure out if I am avoiding its attacks or not half the time. I know it has a wind blast, but it feels like I am taking damage, but at the same time is a little unclear. I always seem to be near to them when they die and get slimed a bit... Still, they shit all over the spawn, although don't scare me as much.

Vermis is pretty nice, reminds me of the tentacle pit monster in HL :)

Do you guys reckon you could get some more flexible destructible wall code in there? I have some pretty good breakable wall code that I nicked from Zer and enhanced for an old level I was working on. Customiseable debris models, sounds, amount of debris, type of collision (bbox or bsp) and some other stuff like how it takes damage (can only destroy by inflicting x damage in one hit, for example). The debris stuff is also very easily hackable without code changes, so you can make the debris any model you like and set the sounds to any sounds you like in addition to the provided variations. I can send you it if you like.

Also, last time I was working with your code, the info_notnull explosion hack didn't seem to work properly. I'm not sure if this was a prob with the hipnotic stuff or your stuff. 

Red777 is very, very pretty. 

It's pretty and nice and inspired and detailed.

but
a) I got lost so much. Reminded me of the chapters maps, "he falls like lucifer" and "false esteem".
b) in very many places I had fps ~40. maybe it was too hard to do vis blocking or something or it's just so detailed, don't know. Please, think of the children.

What was the room in the waterway (left from start) with a red orb. Making funny sounds when you shot? Was that supposed to be echo?

I really dig the art direction, the knave textures, the monsters and their weapons and the sounds and everything in this whole thing. 

Great work, guys. Good effort on the new monsters. I'm picky when it comes to them though. Noticed some bugs, but I won't go into all that. I'm sure you'll get plenty of helpful reports.

The gug is a great baddie. As I told Kell during playtesting, I liked him enough to have wished he was mine (even if I think he's tad slow.. giving him some oomph in his chase could have made him even more menacing).

The new start map and e1m1 remake. What can I say. Totally cool. It made me feel warm and fuzzy!

Red777 is sweet, as it was when I playtested. It has a level of 'class' to it not often seen, and difficult to replicate.

Necros: Loved ne_marb*. I loved the feel. Classic scrumptious vibes to those maps. ne_marb brought my mind back to when I was playing Doom. Kudos. I haven't enjoyed myself in a released map this way in a long while. Nice atmosphere. I dare say it's one of my favorites, if for no other reason the response it caused in me. Loved it. 

You are welcome to use my links as "official" file locations btw. Of course I cannot promise to be as steady as Fileplanet is, but I think direct download > possible linkchange somewhen in the far future. My intention with the File Archive is to get rid of as many QuakeSP related Fileplanet links as possible ;)

Halfway through red777 I guess, I am very impressed so far. Monsters that walk through teleporters... Awesome! And deadly annoying sometimes :D 

If you're wanting an FGD file for the Quoth content, I could probably sort one out for you pretty swiftly. Though I'm not a Quake 1 mapper as such (due to me never actually getting anything finished and released, heh), I know the FGD format and Q1 entity properties more or less inside out, so it shouldn't be much trouble to set up a file for the Quoth stuff; all the info I'd need seems to be there in the .def files and tutorial documents. Interested? 

than: i think one of the reasons Bob may seem to hard is because he wasn't really designed to fit in as a starting monster.
our attempt with bob was to expand the base monsters into more than just low level monsters.
Bob is intended to be a mid-range monster, similar in difficulty to, say, a fiend. The problem is that besides the ne_basetest map i built, we didn't have any completed maps that had a base theme to put the monster in.
So we had to make do with using e1m1rmx as a base (hehe :P) platform to show off bob.

More likely encounter scenarios involving bob would probably have the player with the SNG.

still though, i do agree he is slightly more difficult to kill than normal monsters. i think that may partially be because he got less testing than the other monsters and because i'm a pretty good player. he actually moved a fair bit quicker than he does now before, but kell made me tone him down.

re: the gug, what exactly is it that makes the gug's attacks feel cheap?
is it the screenshake/quaking movement aspect, or just the fact that it's damage is not easily avoidable (though mitigation is simple enough)?

keep in mind, this monster is supposed to be a fair bit above the shambler in terms of difficulty so a fair bit of health loss is expected whenever fighting them.

as far as the gug's ranged attack being difficult to dodge, that is more of a matter of getting a feel for the monster. here's a hint though. his attacks lead you slightly. also, his prefire animation is decently long. Try tricking him into leading you in the opposite direction that you want to head in. ^_^

MC: actually, i'd be very interested in hearing about bugs. we tried to get rid of them all, but as usual something is bound to slip through. you (and anyone, really) can email bugs to me or kell to fix in future iterations.

Spirit: Totally awesome! ^_^ links added-- cheers, dude! :)